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Just incase people needed a break from the EA sh!tshow; I humbly give you: The IGN Sh!tshow Bundle.
IGN acquires Humble Bundle; https://techcrunch.com/2017/10/13/ign-acquires-pay-what-you-want-game-shop-humble-bundle/
Humble Bundle "Privacy" Page; https://www.humblebundle.com/privacy
Just to catch everyone up here;
1) IGN acquired Humble bundle.
2) IGN drastically changes the disclaimer / ToA associated with the use of the website.
3) IGN makes a profit collecting, packaging and selling user data.
Ok, notes;
1) Humble bundle was (at least to me) considered one of the few sites with good integrity and intention, then bought by IGN who (to most of you) doesn't have those qualities included in their base vocabulary.
2) The overall phrasing and choice of words in the new "agreement" / disclaimer they push on the website indicate the immediate commercialization of data harvested from you. For instance, they specifically refer to user information as an 'asset' meaning it is regarded to have (commercial) value.
3) the "agreement" was last updated 14 September, not very coincidentally a month prior to publication of the acquisition, this means that all of the personal information/user data that humble bundle had in store is now the property of IGN.
3.5) Since most business acquisitions don't happen in a week or two, this was most likely a deliberate move by IGN to make a loophole bulk acquisition of personal user information.
4) I am not a lawyer, but technically speaking, the data was collected legally by humble, whom most likely didn't have any nefarious purpose to it, as it is quite normal and necessary for base web operation, but then "bought" by IGN, which would mean they can do pretty much whatever they want with your personal data now.
5) for those who don't know, user data is actually very valuable. I work in a sector where user data is perhaps one of the most traded assets. The more data associated with an entry, the more price "regenerators" can earn. Mostly this data is bought by "Affiliates" or Companies directly, whom, well, I have yet to see an ethical use of it.
6) 100% IGN bought Humble Bundle to make more money, not because they had any ethical or philanthropistic intentions about the site's original purpose.
TL: DR; IGN buys humble, then uses it to harvest, package and sell user data. What fun.
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AnAverageBoxEnthusiast
they just removed % sliders and default to charity with no way to change or view is 5%
JunkMonk
Guess what: It's Humble that sold your data to IGN. Don't think for a second they didn't know that was a core part of their value
MasterSword442
Oh no they're selling your data just like 90% of all other websites. By the way of course they brought it to make money, they're a business.
PoppaBigBear
Oh god damn it! I liked humble bundle!
YutzWithAHorse
Goddammit ign. I really liked Humble Bundle
Gronsak
Required? Do you mean acquired?
Coercivity
So who's starting a new version of humble bundle?
RedBeardedTrucker
The same day IGN acquired Humble Bundle, I cancelled my monthly bundle. I knew it would be a shitshow with IGN.
Eight77
A long time ago in a galaxy far away IGN was a legit video game site. A long time ago. It's a shame I will never humble bundle again.
tlouman
Prepare to try, Still fun, google it
intashu
IGN wanted a bundle for themselves. And wanted to appear humble doing it!
beeftofu
The owners of Humble Bundle cashed out and it was only possible by selling user data. So why hate IGN? Why not hate Humble Bundle too?
Gerbils
At least the finished developing their game before cashing in, even though it's kind of a mess.
Smigions
I knew giving to charity was going to bite me in the ass
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
"Humble Bundle was recently required by IGN, whom then use Humble Bundle to collect, package and sell dat-" what kind of sentence is this?>
IwentLookingForWhatTheBiggestIdiotHasToSayAndHereYouAre
>They were required by ign to do what? do you mean acquired?
Dwaynard
None of those "whom"s are warranted
LtWilhelm
Well, that's funny because starting in September, I started seeing a massive upswing in the amount of junk mail I get, now ~100 per day
onikame
Ages ago I got my cheat codes from SecretsOfTheSegaSages.com. they were bought out by ign. Life has never been the same.
TheTinyViking
This sucks :(
Unagi604
Time to double down. Red cross recently admitted to having 6 mil in ebola relief "disappear", who humble is raising funds for right now.
kingoffools13
*Acquired
Traja01
Also, it's "who," not "whom."
ironwolf6896
This industry is burning to the fucking ground right in front of our eyes
Gerbils
Just the old, deadwood... Hopefully.
somepersondoingsomethings
It continues to grow significantly so...no.
othername
Tbf, if you use the Wayback Machine you can see that those same Terms of Services has been there at least from the beginning of the year
Goddesahpan
And Humble HAS to promote 3rd party products, that's what to do. They don't have any of their own.
Aeder
This needs more upvotes, they have been like that since 2016
Draxkang
The terms were added when discussions begin with IGN about acquisition, there are some good articles about it.
Steffn
Where can I find those articles? And how are the terms different from lets say steam?
Aeder
Bullshit, the Humble ToS were the same back in 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20161229042932/https://www.humblebundle.com/privacy
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Aeder
Source of the claim? Additionally, provide evidence that it also happened in this case.
Aeder
And if you want to play the reputation game, Imgur has repeatedly spread completely unfounded bullshit in the past for Internet points.
pdgun
Oh I'm gonna love GDPR coming into effect and shaking up these companies.
Brahn
Well, they already have an opt-out function for european residents, which I just submitted a request for. So there's that.
pdgun
Interesting, checked it out. I work in the IT Security field in Europe, I can tell you right now that they are not in compliance with GDPR
pdgun
Im really interested in seeing what they come up with. And how the private enterprises respond.
TheZulthar
And now humble bundle dies in a corner as the price of all bundles goes up to include a profit margin
OrangeFlavours
2/2 just donate all the money to charity instead of ign.
OrangeFlavours
Lmao, from what? Them selling our data? Like google and a million other things do? Because it doesn't really effect me from buying it. 1/2
balakiel
https://web.archive.org/web/20170315062942/https://www.humblebundle.com/privacy
balakiel
Continued: Privacy policy via October 2016 shows every highlighted statement verbatim, post is misleading.
balakiel
Continued 2: Service Providers literally means parties involved in supplying the service, it doesn't mean ISPs.
balakiel
Continued 3: Advertising via third parties is potentially bad, but isn't new to the terms which mean humble has been open to doing so.
balakiel
Continued 4: To take these terms of service as ominous only forwards Humble's business practices of last year as equally ominous.
ChronologicalMyopia
This just in: publicly held companies are shitty money vampires that don't give a fuck about consumers.
Herecomesjohnny
how so?
FerbErrger
And privately held ones are even worse
BarretXIII
reallynotmikepence
No one cares about anybody. That's how life works.
henevas9
You don't care about anyone? Nobody cares about you or has ever cared about you? You don't know how anyone who cares about anyone?
LordNoodles
Monkey sphere, you're only able to care about 150 people. That is it.
Nobody7713
I don't think that's true, and I don't want to think that's true.
LordNoodles
Look up monkey spheres.
tinfish
Thats how capitalism works..
reallynotmikepence
Yes the capitalist Russian gulags and forced labor camps of capitalist North Korea.
Strelak74
Well shit.
FlaccidErection
That phrase has summed up most of this year
Zoltar666
Whole decade!
Toqom
And last
gormzolt
Wow. Thanks for the info... What a (shitty) time to be alive
Phlons
dont worry GDPR is coming.
Herecomesjohnny
how is user data trading making your era a shitty time to be alive?
juanmalvaes
Not really, unless you want to think the worst of people, they've widely said that they'll leave the mngment of Bundle that same.
juanmalvaes
IGN is just out here hustling and Humble Bundle now has the backing of a much bigger company.
Azmoham
I mean, we have technology that borders on magic, cures for the worst diseases in human history, are working on martian colonies, 1/2
Azmoham
Have fairly sophisticated cybernetics for the disabled, are restoring the environment and have the highest global standard of living ever.
othername
IGN didn't change those ToS etc, using the Wayback Machine you can see that they have been the same at least from November last year.
gormzolt
Damn. That means Humble Bundle also were suckers -.- Okay, partially my fault for not reading this fucking nonsense documents...
Steffn
It's not like it does look different on steam or anywhere else!
Lamplord
I mean, I'm not dying of dehydration by diarrhea, so it can't be that bad.
gormzolt
What?
Lamplord
In olden times people would literally die ny diarrhea.
OshyuOshyu18
So time to never buy another humble bundle. : (
mutedia
the last two months kinda sucked anyway .
danlei
If you've made an account (or just a purchase) there, it's too late.
dgg7
That’s ok. I‘ve got games till 2087
DoggieSan
Just requested that my account be deleted.
davidtrest
You know that doesn't necessarily delete your data right?
jedimocro
Still gonna buy it.
SerialKitten666
...Do you use Google in ANY way? Cause all that does is mine your data off EVERYTHING, everywhere. Facebook, too. Many companies own it now
juhaz
Of course they do, but it's different. When the company offers a service for free, your data is what keeps them running.
JosteinCena
The internett is for ads now.
juhaz
Of course they do, but it's different. When the company offers a service for free, your data is what keeps them running.
juhaz
But when the company is selling something for real money, it's much less acceptable to double-dip.
lysani
Every time I've tried to point that out on here, people have freaked out and denied it being true. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Soylencer
You're going to skip out on a sale and buy full price from some other company that markets our data *Anyway*
Dagordae
To protect data that is almost certainly already out there from any one of hundreds of other services.
DevilishlySnowy
Why tho? (this may get downvoted to hell) but why are people bitching? This is some idiotic shit to be whining over. Money still goes to 1/?
lysani
Have you noticed the lack of any decent bundles or sales on HB lately? They used to constantly have bundles for big titles, now they don't.
Techtronic
Could just be that they were hurting for money and made themselves available for a buyout. Things aren't free unfortunately.
Solivoid
To be honest, I want to ask the same question. If my "data is traded", how does that affect me?
Solivoid
I mean, technically, when someone asks you to answer a questionnaire for a survey, you give away your personal information, and lose what?
ZodiacShadow
Well, let's say a questionnaire asked you your name, country, interests and credit card information.
Solivoid
....And if I used paypal?
DevilishlySnowy
And that's a fair question to ask, and one that should be asked. Personally I gave my stance but that's a fair question and a very valid one
DevilishlySnowy
Charity/developers(and until that changes where it's solely to IGN), the risk of any personal data being abused since everything is 2/?
Herecomesjohnny
abused is a big word
DevilishlySnowy
online now and fucking anything can be hacked, no place/data is safe. Charities are still being supported and until prices and shit 3/?
DevilishlySnowy
are stupidly overpriced or just terrible bundles(which some are or not as interesting to me), who cares? When all of the money stops 4/?
DevilishlySnowy
going to charity then yeah be all righteous and mad about it, cause I will be too. Or it gets to the point where it's less than 25% 5/?
phe0n1x
Too late. They already have the data from your previous purchases.
bazookasoup
But the data from previous purchases don't have this disclaimer, so how is it valid?
phe0n1x
just like the OP, I'm not a lawyer, but to me the statement about the ToS being able to change at any time allows this but I hope I'm wrong.
bazookasoup
But then you will have to agree to the new ToS for it to take effect. At least to my understanding.. Otherwise ToS means literally nothing..
fredthebadger
TOS for webpages tend to simply say that they have the right to change the TOS at will without notification and you agree to the changes by
hearthstoneaccount3
Make the data worthless. There are some extensions that will royally fuck up your search history / browsing data out there
Doit4theratchets
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Pootisborn
I don't need an extension to do that. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Chuuko
.
z0de
Which?
drenix
DO Tell
IronicUsername
Which will do fuck all because they also analyze time spent on sites.
MountainLionPhoto
Any specific for FF? Gonna still use it, just have 50% for devs and 50% for charity.
Velexis
I've always done 45 dev 45 charity 10 humble personally. Guess those 10% will just go back to devs and charity
Solivoid
uBlock Origin, Disconnect, are what I'm using. There may be more robust plugins out there.
wolf96781
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Solivoid
That being said, I fucked myself over by not using my spam-mail for Humble, and actually having an account. So, I doubt it matters.
Theman098
time to turn the "For developers/For charity option to 100%)
flikrdoodles
Your information is worth a few bucks to advertisers so IGN gets plenty of money anyway.
Kenblu24
time to remove that slider
IDGAFtheApathetic
Gerbils
Even that could make IGN money, they can use your charity donations as a tax deductibles for their own profits and still indirectly profit.
FreakinSatan
I always just turned charity to 100% anyways.
Avlaen
i did 40/40/20 charity devs humble bundle.
FreakinSatan
I just do full charity because it makes me feel better about wasting more money on games I probably won't play.
OhSpartacus
ducttapeforum
Assuming IGN won't just take a cut anyway
ChuckNorrisAteMySock
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they'd get the accompanying tax write-off.
gameboy64guy
Hopefully they don't because if they do that is super illegal
thefluffysergal
since when has that stopped anyone lol
TheHonestPenguin
True, but they could easily enforce a minimum cut to themselves (and inform the customer)