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May 22, 2017 12:31 PM
TheMemeReGenerator
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BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
This dude draws the political cartoons in the Salt Lake Tribune. He's awesomely funny.
DoseOfScience
Even if you're against it, why would you not want people to buy into medicare as a public option? The free market is supposed to be better1
DoseOfScience
so if they can't compete with the public option, they need to git gud or git rekt.
UserSubHunterOfIndeterminateGender
Kinda damning for everyone whose against it.
TakWriterOfWorlds
Why? You think they bother with things like facts? If they did they'd support it.
Havok707
yet here they are downvoting xD
HashtagDadJokes
Once you get people hooked on a government handout, it becomes very difficult to make people independent again. Thus the tyranny grows.
Milchsteak
The US is allready rated really low in the freedom index, for a first world world country. Health insurance makes ppl free.
TakWriterOfWorlds
You have no idea what you're talking about. How is it freedom to have people dying, or enslaved to debt just so they don't die?
snodgrobbler
the main reason these conservatives are against it is because it strengthens workers and the conservatives donors hate that.
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
Doesn't hurt that most politicians get ENORMOUS bribes... err, "campaign contributions" from the insurance companies.
snodgrobbler
actually I think the insurance company lucre is what's keeping healthcare alive now. one interest group vs another: american democracy.
wingnut98
Since the population of a lot of those countries is equivalent to a single state, maybe we should let states implement plans.
bramcc
It would only cost a small portion of your defence budget.
notasexyrobot
Well there is Canada und a whole continent - Australia - so...
DystopianReality
Canada has a smaller population than the US state of California, and Australia has ~12m fewer than Canada.
wingnut98
Canada has a population equal to California and Australia is equal to Texas. So...
xChaosRainsx
even Canada only has 1/10th the population of the U.S.
TakWriterOfWorlds
Germany has almost three times as many people as our most populate state. So, not. You're wrong.
BlankhasdiedofDysentery
And Germany has a hybrid model where lots of people have private insurance instead of the government plan.
TakWriterOfWorlds
Yes, and?
TakWriterOfWorlds
A few countries on that list are also like that.
BlankhasdiedofDysentery
People would oppose that less than the Canada style government controlled care people keep pushing for.
Milchsteak
Why is the size of the US allways an argument? You have more ppl, but you also have equivalent more resources and money.
DoseOfScience
We actually have a higher per capita set of resources I believe. One second, I'll go look for a source on that.
DoseOfScience
Found one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_financial_assets_per_capita Looks like the US has a lot, but IANA Economist.
wingnut98
Because running a healthcare system that is exactly the same for such a diverse group is much more difficult than a smaller group.
Milchsteak
Don't act like other countries are super small. For example you only have 4 times more ppl than Germany.
wingnut98
But we have 4x as many people spread over a much larger area with very diverse economic backgrounds. It's just not the same thing.
Milchsteak
And Germany doesn't? There are enormous differences between west and east that are still there because of the bad economy in the GDR.
techsgtcarter99
You really want the government in your healthcare? Look at our VA and see how it works then come back and talk to me...
Milchsteak
So you should look at other countries and see how good it works. You need a completly new system, not the shitty one but free
techsgtcarter99
No what we need is not greedy politicians willing to fuck each other over and thus fucking our nation
TakWriterOfWorlds
Ok! As someone who has used the VA and has plenty of friends in the VA I can tell you that it's a decent system. Some are bad others aren't.
avertyereyes
I hear this complaint a lot from young soldiers and those who don't take advantage of the VA. Most of us who use it love it
TheMemeReGenerator
The VA has long wait times but Veterans love the service they get once they are in the system. Ask a senior about Medicare? Most love it
techsgtcarter99
Yeah, ONCE, they are in....I used the VA just for education and there was so much misinofrmation provided by them its unreal
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
Seriously, my grandpa used to drive 200 miles to the nearest VA hospital because it was so much better than the hospital in his town.
techsgtcarter99
Make people wait years before able to setup an appointment?
TheMemeReGenerator
Months at most not years.
techsgtcarter99
Also have you seen where they dont fix any issues with their buildings? Force people to sleep on the floor?
TheMemeReGenerator
I know some of the hospitals are grossly underfunded (Blame Congress for that).
sakzeroone
I can't imagine being financially ruined because you had a heart attack or get cancer...
TakWriterOfWorlds
I can! Watched my family go through it growing up.
Caketarts
I know several people that have avoided medications, procedure, and basic doctor visits because of the money aspect. And they have insurance
keyserv
I don't know this for a fact, but I'll bet tons of people die every day in the states because of that simple aspect.
Dannyxrain
You're not wrong. Maybe not a TON but way more than should which is still far too many
keyserv
A "ton" being a subjective term, for sure. To me, I suppose a "ton" would be at least 5-10.
Dannyxrain
Accurate. Not too keen on the numbers but safe to say it's, again, morally way too many
keyserv
In an article published in 2013, State Rep Alan Grayson said 45,000 die per year. There are apparently studies done but I can't access them