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Well fuck the Chinese government and fuck any dictatorship.
Boycott China.
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BBC News - Data leak reveals how China 'brainwashes' Uighurs in prison camps
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-50511063
ixL247
China is asshole
Xaldyn
There is no conflict in China.
Miyamotofan
Spoiler alert: the governments of the world do nothing. Nothing comes of this and is allowed to continue.
chugeknight
They have a dragnet to arrest Uighurs who are citizens of other countries per BBC. This is beyond normal reach now
chugeknight
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/24/china-cables-revealed-power-and-reach-of-chinas-surveillance-dragnet
735824
Worse. The scale of it's inhumane treatment is global and insidious.p
Blue4Five
Russia still may have them beat in the last 100 years. We have to give China another 20 years I'd guess.
GuardsmanMiku
can we stop calling everyone we dont like nazis? China are their own specific kind of evil fucked up nation
BwianOfNazareth
agreed. As many a wise people said: China is asshoe. But Nazis are another breed. There are plenty around of that sort elsewhere, though.
GrumpyPlatypus
But there are similarities in the method of containing their 'enemies of the state', so to speak. They're not the same, but similar.
TanDumpLord
WouldYouNot
Why in the first place we are blaming China and not everyone else who doesn't help because money?
jolem53
A million people ‘volunteered’ for this? Seems doubtful but I guess China wouldn’t lie.
pandamandana
Dammit reading this make me ptsd. It's real, even Chinese company overseas practice this kind of similar behaviour.
KindaClueless
zarofca
Fuck China.
TrashTheEstate12
1984 only took 35 years
ArtOzz
Yeeeah. I aint believing Chinas lies any more than I believe a word that comes out of Trump's lying whore mouth.
Ploty
So join us in isolating and boycotting China and Trump
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
Hey, now. Lying whores don't deserve the kind of abuse of being associated with Trump.
ArtOzz
AH, my apologises.
ChickenEatingMan
Wait, I thought they were harvesting their organs.
DrDadJokes
They are brainwashing their organ
Eny333
What do you think happens to the ones who resist their brainwashing and 'punishments'?
scooterthepolluter
The have to re-educate the organs before harvest or they'll turn the recipient Muslim.
nanyingchen
sell to rich people in middle east
Benito92
"Increase discipline and punishment" think this might pertain to your statement
morrighan42
The world really needs to wake up and realize China is no-ones friend and stop doing business with them.
Ihatedecidingonausername
Hosting the Olympics there was a huge mistake
juzsayin
Every Country is their own friend first...
Blue4Five
And THIS is the correct condemnation of 'Boomers,' as it was that generation who put investments and monetary gains ahead of principles. ...
Blue4Five
It was they who allowed China to grow by outsourcing manufacturing to China.
Mikadomea
They terk er jerbs!!!
MakoFR18
I know war is impractical but I wish we along with the UN would at least manup and increase terifs to a point where no cmpny would trade
Magpiebones
People collectively needs to have a spine and start boycotting chinese products. And bitch at companies about it.
MakoFR18
As great as that sounds Ive given up on people trying to a stand together either they dont care or dont know. This has to be top down
Magpiebones
I feel the same, but I also know that that attitude ensures it'll be so. So I have little faith, but I'll push towards the ideal.
tzxAzrael
it isn't an "or". people don't care AND they don't want to know. that might decrease their comfort level.
BunkerJohn
China is a part of the U.N and holds veto power. Hence why the U.N is seen as largely spineless/a formality.
rando84
It’s just a forum for nations & occasionally useful at addressing humanitarian crises where no major power has a stake. The US created (1
rando84
NATO with its democratic allies at exactly the same time as it was backing the UN—the UN (with a Soviet veto from day one) had limitations(2
rando84
that were obvious & unavoidable if it was going to be a useful framework for dialogue between opposing blocs of countries (3
cjandstuff
Did they make a movie, showing the people in these concentration camps as being well off and happy? This all sounds so familiar.
H3llycats
Chinese apologists: "This is just western propaganda!"
PaulSites12
All the while the media constantly points fingers at westernized countries and yelling bigots, while completely ignoring this. Hypocrisy.
floridaguy5867
Im just gonna go ahead and call ww3 now, with China as the main baddies.
Bystandr
Its this type of torture that even if it doesnt somehow produce one who escapes and through revenge plots, will encourage others to act upon
Bystandr
their behalf. I believe China makes a mistake stemming from the core of these actions. So oppressive and unjust to create a future with the
Bystandr
very penalty they seek to avoid in doing the injustice in the first place.
MrTay
One man sentenced because he said to his fellow Muslim that he shouldn’t curse. His lawyer didn’t dispute guilt but called him uneducated 1/
MrTay
And asked for clemency. One women detained for 16 months that isn’t even chinese a Kurdistan women who imports from China. Not even 2/
MrTay
Foreigners are safe I you are Muslim. They put you in a room that you have to take shifts sleeping or standing it’s so tight. Then you 3/
MrTay
Have a few seconds of water everyday most people don’t bathe for months. This is the accounts making it out. Who knows what isn’t.
MrTay
Oh yeah and the re education is watching Xi pat him self on the back for months and other communists
pandamandana
Why is it sounds similar to holocaust........
GrumpyPlatypus
The camp conditions do sound very similar to the concentration camps used in WWII, aside from re-education, which wasn't a Nazi priority.
jukicat8512
Can we send our islamic terrorists there?
MackdomblesDarbleChaiseBarga
To be fair, they kill and persecute Muslims as well, so who knows what side they'd be on.
PlainlyPlinky
You make a pretty blunt point but I'm wondering how this is being taken in jihadi circles.
PlainlyPlinky
Also Muslim countries, these stories coming out of China are crazy. And only having a Western perspective is only half the story
SephReed
I can live with a lot less. I'm very okay with a lesser standard of living for the sake of cutting China off.
ghostreportingin
Can't convince everyone to do the same, but do what you can. Buy local. Buy less. Support companies who don't build/source from there.
cozynester
I hate the phrase "Fake news"
owlest
why
cozynester
Because people in power have begun to use it whenever someone brings up a point they dislike, discrediting the information for no reason
cozynester
Other than their personal agenda
purpleBoner
Fuck China and its brainwashed zombies
Eli93
I'm mostly amazed by the Chinese people who can stomach participating in this shit. I couldn't even be a guard there without wanting revolt
LiteralVampirePotBellyGoblins
Rationalizing it is easy when you don't have to confront it face to face. See: ICE detention centers full of children.
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Magpiebones
There's this culture that only your family matters, and anyone else can be used and abused. And you keep your honor if you hide the evidence
justonemorepicturepls
Cognitive dissonance can make you believe crazy stuff. "We're just showing them the way, they wouldn't get punished if they did as they are>
justonemorepicturepls
told. After all, don't fathers punish there children even though they love them?" Objectively flawed logic, but our brain prefers flawed >
justonemorepicturepls
logic over uncomfortable knowledge
Jethrie
We didn't go to war with the NAZIS because of atrocities. We stopped them because they were expansionist. Shitty, but true.
cozynester
We're okay if you kill your own people, just don't threaten ours
Userroni
The internet is changing things hopefully it will aleast shine a light on it.
ochermes28
Wrong! Britain and France declared war on Nazi German because they had treaties with the Polish Government which they choose to honor.
NKato
China is already expansionist -- ergo, South China Sea, and the Belt & Road project (financial conquest of nations).
wilsoneung9000
China is an asshoe.
Magpiebones
China will definetely invade when given chance. They don't care. But we hadn't sent majority of our factories to Nazis, no profits to lose.
DanOrtega
True to an extent, but remember too, that the final solution was carried away with the utmost secrecy and even germans were unaware of it.
cousteau
But it looks better if you claim you did it because of the crimes.
Noob3rts
(1) The United States, along with other nations, were practicing the same unethical horseshit the Germans were. Hell, the Japanese were
Noob3rts
(2) doing human experiments six years before the euthanasia program occurred on the German citizens. We did not go to war with Germany over
Noob3rts
(3) anything but a given ultimatum to them to not fuck with Poland. If they had avoided Poland, I doubt war would have happened, but Hitler
Noob3rts
(4) and Russia wanted Poland. The world is fucked because people are too cowardly to make the tough decisions to stop people who are doing
Noob3rts
(5) terrible acts upon people living in their country, and in some cases, people of the countries they "peacefully" occupy.
LurkerOfDarkness
The Chinese are expansionist too, and in a strange coincidence, they're in desperate need of the same resource all 3 axis power was. Oil.
nugo520
thats because Oil lubricates the gears of war, why do you think the US and other nations want it so much
Anikanje
Yep I agree. Never again only means We will never again allow them to take what is ours. They can kill maim and torture thats fine...
homecooking4u
Most didn’t know. Like, there was a vague knowledge that they were doing something horrible to the Jews, but noone knew what they were doing
photosbyian1
you can do whatever you want to your own people and no one cares its when you step outside of your country that it starts raising eyebrows
photosbyian1
Just look at north Korea or any other shit hole country where horrible things happen all the time there are too many to list
IN005
America never wanted to stop it and only used it for propaganda purposes against germany in the war. Hitler actually borrowed the idea of...
IN005
... ghethos from the native american reservations. He later just developed the core idea a bit to far.
BlueDuckPale
It's hard to criticise someone for using the systems you created to control others, to control others.
KismetCrew
Nah, it's pretty easy really. Not looking like a hypocrite while you do it takes skill though.
BlueDuckPale
Or brutal honesty! Could you imagine? OI those concentration camps where made for Africans not fucking jews ya bloody twat!
RoryBlack1
No country wants to be the one that starts ww3. Nothing will be done short of the Chinese people starting a revolution.
SoapyMammaryMasturbation
China is expansionist, just, very carefully so.
samials
As a Jew, I couldn’t give fewer shits about the motivation. You saved my people from near-extinction. I don’t care why.
Pulsar1975
It's true Jethrie. Sadly true.
Ploty
Yep, agressive expansive. This would be the biggest mistake of Yinpin and he knows. Join us in isolating the dictatorship
Holyfuckwhatsagoodusername
The u.s. didn't even want to stop the Nazis l, we were profiting off wwii. Then the via had intelligence of an attack on pearl harbor and-
Holyfuckwhatsagoodusername
-allowed it to happen to garner public support to join the war. Otherwise America would've let Germany take europe.
Caffynated
Polls in 1940 showed 90% or more against joining the war even if the UK was in danger of defeat. Europe was Europe's problem.
Caffynated
Holyfuckwhatsagoodusername
I knew the us was against it, didn't realize how agains it. That's a crazy number, thanks
rando84
FDR was doing everything he could short of war to help the allies. The peacetime draft was widely seen as a precursor to US involvement. (1
rando84
The strongest opposition to war was isolationists in Congress. We went to war against the Nazis at sea months before Pearl Harbor. (2
mufasa3356
If America didn't want to go to war, why would they want to increase public support for war
Holyfuckwhatsagoodusername
...because we live in a republic? Was this a serious question?
KismetCrew
The American government isn't a homogeneous monolith. There were different views, and the non-isolationists took that as an opportunity.
FoxyEllie
That's what I'm thinking. "doesn't want to stop the nazis... wants publig opinion to go against the nazis".
BrazilianThunderPanda
If we were about human rights violations we would have freed the North Korean work camps decades ago.
GuardsmanMiku
whats the worse violation? thousands dieing in the camps or milions dieing in a war?
Ithurial4253
Sad thing is we really can't do anything for fear of causing nuclear Armageddon
LoneWanderer101
Quite simply, had China not saved North Korea there wouldn’t be a North Korea. Just the one. We cannot invade and take down 1/2
LoneWanderer101
North Korea for the fear of China getting involved again and kicking off WWIII. 2/2
Lovethesmelloftoastedsourdoughbread
And we should.
uououououo
Honest question: If more innocents die in world policing than are saved but they manage to save all in camps is that a success or failure?
IHugTrees
If they do nothing, they aren’t innocent
uououououo
So people living their everyday lives in, eg, South Korea aren't innocent because they're not immediately taking up arms? Interesting view.
BrazilianThunderPanda
It is the duty of the privilege to help those in mortal need.
uououououo
This doesn't quite answer. By helping some you're depriving other innocents in the hypothetical. Is it worth it to put more in mortal need?
Burgmund
Pyrrhic Victory is a term. Analyze the second word.
Nostradamuswaswrong
Sounds like you don't understand the concept.
uououououo
Generally a pyrrhic victory was a loss overall on a strategic level. So I guess it's not worth it if you consider it that way.
Firehorsefire
Amnesty International has been promoting awareness of Chinese human rights abuses for decades.
borocanuck
And demonstrated what was a waste of money they are. Now let's see if the UN demonstrates its uselessness to.
Solkanarmy
its uselessness to what?
borocanuck
Improving the world in reality as opposed to just paying a billion for more chatter.
dedkoala
The lives of those people can't hope to be improved without people knowing about their situation, the first step to 1/2
Firehorsefire
The UN - who, among the permanent members are, China and Russia...and of course the USA is going to vote to act aren't they?
ExecutorHideo
As I recall, even permenant members of the UN are temporarily removed from any discussion or votes regarding problems theyre part of/cause.
ExecutorHideo
So of the UN decided to vote on whether to act against China, China wouldnt be allowed to vote on the matter or take part in the discussion.
oneeyedgod
Except China clearly has expansionist policies, just not in the classical warfare method we're used to.
boatymcboatfaceplant
And they're being fought in a non classical way as well to combat that. Which sadly does nothing for those detained.
ImJustSoFckingSickOfThisBllsht
This needs more upvotes. They're clearly expansionist!!! They just have more patience than Hitler did.
KingKolunikus
Just like Islam.
The13thDude
Lol talk about tone deaf
Lanawings
Not if you make the distinction between Islam and Muslims. One is an ideology the other is a group of people. But I see your point
SJcodenameDuchess
The full extent of the atrocities weren’t known until we went to war.
boatymcboatfaceplant
True. Had they been known however it most likely wouldn't have made a difference in terms of expediting the war.
xKaraKx
So? If that were true we would have stepped in during other genocides throughout history, but we havent.
SJcodenameDuchess
Well, it is true. I wasn’t saying world leaders are going to be consistent about this type of thing? If we are talking about the US ...
SJcodenameDuchess
... Churchill had to convince the people to get involved in a European war, while slowly quietly preparing for it. They didn’t want it.
mattsall
Tbf, intelligence gathering wasn't as easy back in the day, the full extend of the holocaust wasn't understood until after the war
boatymcboatfaceplant
It wouldn't have mattered. Declarations of war wouldn't have been quicker, nor the efforts stronger.
Rignak
So then the guy says " whatever you do, don't sell that cow!" /4
GrumpyPlatypus
the camps. McCloy claimed that no US troops would be nearby to save anybody. However, he knew there was a scheduled bombing run not 10 /2
GrumpyPlatypus
miles from Auschwitz. Furthermore, as far back as the 1920s Jews were seeking refuge in the US and were turned back to Germany. /3
GrumpyPlatypus
understanding of the death camps. People knew what was going on. Saving Jews just wasn't their priority. /end
GuardsmanMiku
I mean, a lot of people assumed they where exagurating
GrumpyPlatypus
Assistant Secretary of War McCloy was asked to bomb Auschwitz from Jewish survivors who could express in detail what was happening in /1
KeanuReevesBeardTrimmings
the camps. McCloy claimed that no US troops would be nearby to save anybody. However, he knew there was a scheduled bombing run not 10 /2
KeanuReevesBeardTrimmings
miles from Auschwitz. Furthermore, as far back as the 1920s Jews were seeking refuge in the US and were turned back to Germany. /3
KeanuReevesBeardTrimmings
We knew bad things were happening. We didn't act then because America was in the midst of antisemitism. German civilians also had an /4
GrumpyPlatypus
We knew bad things were happening. We didn't act then because America was in the midst of antisemitism. German civilians also had an /4
NKato
NEST YOUR FUCKING COMMENTS. Everything is completely out of order.
GrumpyPlatypus
They have numbers, I'll help. It goes 1, 2, 3, 4, and then the end.
ThePanzerSchreck
It's better to reply to your own comment and still do the numbering. It is easier to read when something is posted like that
NKato
Yes, but it is still difficult to read with ease. If you're gonna make a statement, at least do so in a manner that makes it easy to read.
ikbeneengeit
We should stop talking about war with China. Germany didn't have nukes. War with China = nuclear winter.
TopherE
But China abhors the idea of economic isolation. The way to get them to change is through economic pressure. They effectively Nazis now.
Scarfaceeightsix
Good luck getting people to give up their cheap goods.
bobbob1016
India can make stuff. But isn’t this what Trump was/is trying with tariffs on China? I’d kiss think we ALL cut them off and kick them out...
bobbob1016
...of whatever on the UN.
bobbob1016
kinda not kiss. Apple’s swipe is TOTAL garbage.
KingKolunikus
Maybe if they were paid properly so they could afford non-cheap goods, that would help a little.
Scarfaceeightsix
Define properly. You get paid what you are worth.
SaltyEsq
Increased wages = increased costs. Same base line. Unless you want the government to price lock everything, which isn't democratic. Oh wait
Firehorsefire
Fun fact - China still gets "humanitarian" aid from the UK (as well as other countries). It is millions of pounds.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
That's just the price of doing business. Developmental and other aid has always been about access to cheap labor, ports, railroads etc.
Pokedmeinthecoconut
That's just bribe money, that's normal.
Dybidude5
Pounds of what?
P1CKLE5
Pudding
SatanWAP6669
KissMikeLitorusSheSaid
Rice
Firehorsefire
British currency pounds. It's ok - you're probably an American.
Elerich
With how much they're getting away with, might as well say its pounds of flesh
Firehorsefire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_China
blackholevoid10011
Lungs.
10tacles
No, they export that.
homoneurotic
Good one +1
Elerich
fair point