Steve Jobs knew better

Apr 11, 2017 8:13 PM

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In October 2003, Jobs was diagnosed with cancer. In mid-2004, he announced to his employees that he had a cancerous tumor in his pancreas. The prognosis for pancreatic cancer is usually very poor; Jobs stated that he had a rare, much less aggressive type, known as islet cell neuroendocrine tumor.

Despite his diagnosis, Jobs resisted his doctors' recommendations for medical intervention for nine months, instead relying on a pseudo-medicine to try natural healing to thwart the disease. According to Harvard researcher Ramzi Amri, his choice of alternative treatment "led to an unnecessarily early death". Cancer researcher and alternative medicine critic David Gorski disagreed with Amri's assessment, saying, "My best guess was that Jobs probably only modestly decreased his chances of survival, if that." Barrie R. Cassileth, the chief of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center's integrative medicine department, said, "Jobs's faith in alternative medicine likely cost him his life.... He had the only kind of pancreatic cancer that is treatable and curable.... He essentially committed suicide."

TL;DR: Jobs had treatable cancer, chose head massage, herbal tea and whale music over medical science.

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9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 4

That makes him an idiot, no matter how much money he had. Stupid is stupid.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

Didn't he jump the transplant line at the end, too?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Dude died with 30,000,000,000 U$D in his account. Idiot. Should have "designed" an anti-cancer drug, not the next shitty iphone. Fools die.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Being a visionary doesn't mean you can't be superstitious or have other wrong beliefs.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 2

Suicide by ignorance.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

the doctors just hate him because he used one simple trick to not pay them millions for chemo

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Yeah, fuck the guy who tried to ensure his last years on Earth weren't spent dealing with the shitty side effects from cancer treatment.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 6

I worked for Apple when he died. The tone of the company went down hill real fast after he died. I never liked their product though.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 7

Fuck Steve Jobs. Horrible human being

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

My Dad recently recovered from an aggressive cancer through massive chemo doses and is now PERFECTLY FINE 1 + 1/2 years later; JOBS = FOOL.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

No one is saying he's smart

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

K. Thats his life, not yours.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 8

It's a good cautionary tale. Don't let your ego make stupid decisions for you. He regretted it and spoke about that regret before he died.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

That's the consequence of having non-user-serviceable parts.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

leeched off genius inventors like Steve Wozniak and others, was practically Homer Simpson in a tech company

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 6

Well you got to hand it to him, he lived his life the way he dammed pleased

9 years ago | Likes 89 Dislikes 11

Guy was fairly crazy, most notably: thought eating fruit eliminated the need to shower, washing feet in public toilets.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Well he was damned

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

He's probably been deitified into some kind of Buddha in whatever life after death he believed in

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I hate Steve Jobs with a passion.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

He also got his girlfriend pregnant and then abandoned her and his daughter. I don't know why some people worship him.

9 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 1

Before actually reading his biography, all I knew about him was that amazing Stanford speech he gave. I now know better.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Most tech companies are evil and run by sociopaths. They sell this "I'm making the world a better place" stick, but profit off of children.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

My father was diagnosed with bladder cancer, Dr wasn't in the least bit worried. I asked, since when is cancer not something to worry about1

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Turns out bladder cancer is child's play now. Stick a tube up your dick and pump in tuberculosis, it eats cancer. Go figure.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

My father had bladder cancer that was aggressive and spread quick, he passed in Dec. All bladder cancer is different. Happy you were lucky

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

modern medicine usually has far more debilitating side affects than just doing nothing. he chose hope and comfort care, which is fine, and

9 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 12

Wow someone who makes sense here

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 6

If the story is true, he had a curable cancer. Which means the side effects are worth it. For terminal cases one might be wiser to let go.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I'm sure he was also aware that it might not work. Which is fine also.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 4

But it's popular to hate on Jobs though. Even without knowing his complete medical situation. /sarcasm

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 2

"he chose hope" no he didn't, he throw away his only hope by rejecting what could actually save him, he chose lies and death.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Ya, but why is he wearing a dress?

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

Nobody wants to see him naked.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

he also had the resources to be placed on 2 donor lists for a liver, he ended up flying out to Tennessee for a transplant.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

My grandma had pancreatic cancer. I wish the doctors didn't treat her.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Why is that?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It was pointless and gave her pain. 1/ she got chemo, 2/ they cut her stomach wide open to look inside to see if they can cut it out.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I started at Apple in 2010, three days before he passed away, during our big semi-annual AppleCare celebration for great employees.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Tim Cook, but it didn't carry the same weight or importance. I hear he wasn't nice, but I still wanted the chance, y'know?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Filled with crying employees, and I've always felt a little burned that I didn't even have the chance to meet him. I later got to meet

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

We were in a mid-morning meeting when it was announced, and I've never seen balloons and celebration shut down so quickly. The ATX site was

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How did older employee's feel about him? Is it true that he refused to shower? I have another small # of questions.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Everyone I worked with was pretty loyal and hadn't worked with him in tight quarters. We were support - far removed from the top.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I would not go through chemo and radiation if i were to be diagnosed with cancer. Thats my choice. If that makes me stupid, so be it.

9 years ago | Likes 40 Dislikes 12

Depends what Doctors would think the chance of my survival would be. If there was a greater chance of dying even with treatment (1)

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

I would rather prefer to check out on my own terms. If I had a fighting chance then I would consider going through treatment (2)

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I'm a cancer survivor. Had chemo and radiation for 6 months. Wouldn't have lived to age 9. Now I'm 34

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 1

I hope i didnt offend you. I am happy for your health and the medical technology you had access to. Just my personal choice. Be well.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

If you ever do end up in that situation, all regimens aren't equal. Diagnoses are very different. A simple, easy treatment with 99% cure 1/?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Rate is different than a terminal diagnosis. The word chemotherapy gets throw around a lot, but very different depending on your 2/3

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Diagnosis

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

But no, didn't offend me at all. :). Lets just hope you die at 100 of natural causes 3/3

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Ok. But damn you fuckers can be shitty. Hate Apple? Fine. Don't fucking say "neener" over a man's death.

9 years ago | Likes 69 Dislikes 36

I had the exact same cancer as he did. I 'easily' survived. I'm not saying 'neener' but I am calling him a dumbass.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

when shitty moneyhungry people make Exceptionally stupid ideas that get them killed, i'm gonna point and laugh. because that's Karma.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

He was a pretty shitty person. A fantastic businessman, but a shitty guy.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

I think it's more the "Wow that choice was DUMB, he could be here if not for that," paired with the fact that he wasn't a very nice person.

9 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 1

Neener

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 1

He was a cunt, who choose a stupid treatment plan against modern medical advice and died from hubris . Fuck him.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

People say "neener" over darwin award winners all the time. Jobs killed himself by doing something stupid.

9 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 2

I kinda find the darwin awards thing kinda creepy too.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Steve Jobs was not a genius

9 years ago | Likes 645 Dislikes 82

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9 years ago (deleted Apr 13, 2017 6:07 AM) | Likes 0 Dislikes 0

correlation is not causation

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

His genius was in design and functionality. It turns out that's what people want in their devices.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 5

His genius was in driving teams whose purpose was design and functionality innovation.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

Congratulations you've defined the job of CEO. Oh and btw he was more hands on than almost any other CEO.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Steve Jobs was a cunt and a psychopath. He made his money just about as dishonestly as he could, and didn't give a fuck who he hurt 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Along the way. I don't say this about many people, but cancer did the world a favour in this case, and the fact that he let it kill 1.5/2

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

kill him by a process of pure arrogance and stupidity just goes to show how entirety his self obsession consumed him. Fuck him. 2/2

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

There is a joke here nobody is getting our maybe just not mentioning

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Or* autocorrect

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He was an asshole, even to himself.

9 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

he was mainly a major asshole.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Actually the man was a genius. An asshole and other sorts. But a genius nonetheless. He had a vision and he build on it That's makes him one

9 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 51

I know this is low hanging fruit, but so did hitler and your logic sucks ass

9 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 10

What's wrong with the logic? Hitler was a really really good politician and public speaker, you have to find credit where it's due

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Actually being a genius makes you a genius.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 1

I think he was a genius. Look at him wearing sandles with socks

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

*candles

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

A genius would say sandals

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

He was good at stealing other people's ideas, taking full credit, and repackaging them to the masses.

9 years ago | Likes 127 Dislikes 14

Welcome to the history of the computer industry!

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

People act like Jobs totally stole Woz's work, but Woz used Jobs just as much as Jobs used Woz. Woz's tears at Jobs' death were legit.

9 years ago | Likes 26 Dislikes 4

Jobs had a type of genius, it just isn't the type of genius he's typically given credit for. Jobs knew when something wasn't done yet. It 1/

9 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 7

.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

2 sounds simple, but he was uncompromising and relentless in pursuing something that made sense. Love or hate Apple products, you can't deny

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 7

3 they were the first ones to get a lot of good ideas right.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 6

i can infact deny that, because getting something popular and getting something Right are 2 violently different things.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 9

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I disagree. I think he was genius at developing a good user experience. People really love their iphones and ipads and shit.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 36

Apple: when it works, it works great. When it doesn't work, you are absolutely fucked.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

He was a designer. He saw a need for something, and got someone to do it for him. Genius? No. Visionary? Debatable. Star Trek did it first.

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 4

The only difference between the iPhone UI and the Palm UI was that Apple did theirs after capacitive touchscreens were affordable.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I don't know what more it would take then to be a genius if he wasn't

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 24

Idk maybe being in the genius iq range?

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 2

Not taking a side on jobs, but IQ is actually now considered a terrible way to measure intelligence

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

The "IQ test" was never intended to determine a person's intelligence, only to determine how well they would perform in school.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 2

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I thought it was obvious that I was not asking in reference to an arbitrary "definition" of genius. This is basically a 4th grader's answer

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I'll take "i don't know how intelligence is measured" for 500 Bob!

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Sorry that was a douche reply. But look up "g". Incredibly reliable determinant of ability to process and synthesize info.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Actually you'll probably have to google "g factor" or "general intelligence". Either way its not arbitrary.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Trust in pseudo science get pseudo cure.

9 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 6

out on his own terms knowing that even modern medicine doesn't guarantee him a chance at survival (2)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I do not know much about how much of a chance he had even w/ treatment. Sure Doctors will be optimistic. Maybe he just wanted to check (1)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

You know what they call alternative medicine that's been proven to work? Medicine.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Cards on the table? I thought this was about Steve Jobs wearing socks and sandles. Should have known better, indeed

9 years ago | Likes 1020 Dislikes 9

Is... is that something you're not supposed to do? Is that why I don't have any friends and am told to return to the pit from whence I came?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Same

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Ditto

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It's only because crocs didn't exist yet.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I legitimately thought this was them bringing his corpse to be their spokesman

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In all honesty I thought it was too

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Is that something you're not supposed to do? Is that why I don't have any friends and am told to return to the pit from whence I came?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Its appropriation of German culture

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

My mom's family is German though...

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Then its ok

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I thought he was a secret cross dresser...

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

easier to poop this way

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

*sandals (sorry)

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Enchantment?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Someone had to

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Are you Canadian?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

nah, finn

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Look at him, thinner, lighter, more powerful - like the iPad Air

9 years ago | Likes 3043 Dislikes 36

Ho Lee Fakkkkkkkkkk!!!!!

7 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Even stripped out some old features that people loved!

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9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Fucking legendary! Well played sir, well played.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I just went to hell.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Now he's more like The Cloud but like not as effective....almost completely uneffective

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Wow that's fucked up.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Agree

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Comment of the fucking decade

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

U win the Internet today.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Bahahahah bruh

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Is your first name Adam, because that was fucking savage!

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 3

That guy has Ben Savage!

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9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Shatters when he hits the ground unless he's in a box

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Holy. Fuck. Bravo.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, and I bet if you drop him just right he'll crack

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

BRUH!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

More powerful might be a stretch

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 3

Here's the hater

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Im favoriting this just for this comment !! Haha

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9 years ago | Likes 198 Dislikes 1

Exactly

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Barbaric.+1

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

<3 cause we can't fucking favourite comments

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u are going strait to hell but you are going down as a legend for this comment xD

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Horrible....Just horrible.

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And dies early

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

And like the iPad Air his warranty is long expired.

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 2

Oh man!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Fitter, Happier

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Brilliant.

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But most importantly it looks better.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

going to hell for laughing at that. Bye.

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Holy shit

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

9 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

I've seen a similar joke before - apple was proud to be unveiling the thinnest, lightest CEO on the market.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

What we are witnessing here is a comment that will have more points than the post. Children, enjoy this rare event.

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This comment is fucking brilliant.

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

After amazing and revolutionary treatment.

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Going to hell for laughing at this, but dammit I can't help it

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This comment makes me wish that I can favorite comments

9 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 2

Same

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Technically you just did.

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