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bril350
Time periods. On the flip side people claim she may look nubian which is also wrong as it is stated she was a ptolemic GREEK not nubian
ChampionChains
“BuT eGyPtIaNs MuSt Be BlAcK bEcAuSe EgYpT iS iN aFrIcA!!”
TheGhostofCarrieFisher
Lucy Lawless.
juggaknot
Lucy FLawless.
AwkwardGirl4691
Kyphe
The whole idea of cleo being non while is due to one of her grandparents being unknown. thus a slave, slaves in the day were mostly Germanic
NiceGreenArrows
It was a bit of a melting pot, nubians and greeks and lots of tanning and makeup. So...either way, but yeah, that's one reason.
cammykinscd2718
Cleopatra was a Ptolemy and therefore Greek. Let a Greek actress play her
TheVapeCrusader
Let whoever is good for the role play her. Spray tans and such exist
PresidentOfNewFreeLand
They should find an Asian to play it, as a payback
Csel
asian or asian asian?
narniasreal
Depends what you count as "white", but she wasn't black. Her ancestry was mostly Greek.
OrRo77
I wish these "a-listers" would go away so we can get a new round of faces in
omngentryo
cassandandy3000
I vote melissa McCarthy
fiddlemyhiddle
Now we’re talking.
BatmansUnderPantsAreSoSoft
Well if they can fuck up Triss Marigold and make her black, lets throw a white person in a role where they weren't white. PC all all around!
Escapist83
I'd hardly call her black. She's mixed race.
jery007
Scarlett johanson's not caucasian?
khazaria
Technically half her grandparents weren't considered white when they were born, so... depends how you look at it, I guess.
tommy1449
Thank God I thought I missed something huge
jsurma
Its a reference to this. https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/07/scarlett-johansson-casting-controversy-tree
FitzFarseer
I love this controversy because the woke crowd got mad at the casting for a woke movie, so the movie was cancelled
kookyabird
I think it's a joke about how she got cast as the Major in Ghost in the Shell.
SomeDetroitGuy
She played a biracial, half Asian half white character in Ghost in the Shell.
ComeOnPookie
You mean a robot with Asian girl's brain in her
SomeDetroitGuy
No - a biracial girl's brain.
SpicyaMeatball
She’s South African
SpicyaMeatball
Oh, nevermind! She’s not...
OfficialCommentFromCorporate
People do that all the time cause they’re thinking of Johannesburg.
Jakethesnake357
Is scarjo not white?
DangerousNoodle
It's a joke because she played a character who was of Asian descent.
ComeOnPookie
You mean a robot with an Asian girls brain her
analnipple666
She's of swedish descent if I'm not mistaken. But the joke is bc she's been cast for non-white roles, like in Ghost in the Shell
CogitatorX
Except according to the author the character was Asian in a white woman’s body.
analnipple666
Oh sweet, i didnt realize that detail. Thanks.
LaughingInTheFaceOfDanger
Rami Malek
katwa
He could play one of her brothers?
DerkatBaron
Umm. I'm not saying no
HumfreeBugart
Mo Salah, but he would need to shave the beard
Jofusness
Robert Downey Jr. will do it.....
mythology333
Also Cleopatra was fugly as hell. She got by on sheer confidence.
Jeager76
It's Hollywood if it's not a hot money making face it won't get well funded. Poor funding will likely mean crappier production. Def not 1/2
Jeager76
2/2 def not a guarantee of good quality but crap funding won't help the cause
d0o0o0d
Being royalty and descended from a god counted for a lot in ancient Egypt.
mythology333
They also believed the Pharoah was partially possessed by Horus, while his sister the queen held the spirit of the goddess Isis.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
Gaga it is then.
Toofwess
Scarlett is only popular because she's hot. I kinda find her acting to be rather bad
brainstream
Just kinda bad? You are being nice.
DumbBr0ad
Anyone see the one with Joseph Gordon Levitt always jerkin off? Cringe worthy.
Callistan
She held her own in Marriage Story. And she was acting alongside some powerhouse performances by Adam Driver and Laura Dern.
TheresnoDanaonlyZuul
Best role I’ve seen her in was Marriage Story. That’s it.
TheOneWhoWasLeft
I, too, have only seen her in roles where journalists only ask about her diet and her underwear afterwards.
gaybutte
She straight up doesn't even try.
tatianagreymatter
Except in Jojo Rabbit. She’s actually pretty good in that.
MrSebi
She's good in a few things. But people don't take her seriously cuz of the hotness, so unless she's oscar baiting, she doesn't try.
BurntKittenDriver
Gal Gadot is probably better choice...
ImgurPlz
Egypt would rage that an IDF stooge would play an Egyptian icon.
MidgetRacer8192
you are correct, other than the IDF "stooge" part
catsandcoke
visijared
Agreed! Cleopatra is supposed to be irresistible and elegant, exotic and diplomatic. LG isn't really irresistible and Angie's a bit too old?
ObsLamprey
According to most accounts that were not propaganda she was not really that hot.
randomusergnome
But Gal Gadot can’t really act
Kbantar
She was in Egypt before sun block. I'd prefer someone with a damn tan. Cleopatra traveled. She didn't hide from the sun like a nosferatu.
asimovfanatic
Rich people generally stayed out of the sunlight
Kbantar
Generally, not 100% of the time. You're going to get some tan in Egypt without sunblock unless you live like a vampire if you're this pale.
huffdogg
The woman who played her in HBO's Rome.
yhdxrp
Man, that show was epic.
ImSoOffended
Lyndsey Marshal
sozensloth
https://media.giphy.com/media/2116PkgyWRPz2/giphy.gif
iNeededAMoreAnonymousName
Big F for that show getting axed a mere 2 seasons in
Insomniacka
such a great show
fuckthisishard
*One and a half seasons in. That's why the ending is so awkward and abrupt they crammed two seasons into the last few episodes.
SnugglesaurusRex
I don't care the skin color so much, but Zoe Saldana should play Cleopatra. She has the inner strength, and can move like a cat.
manolyk23
Maria Menounos
sweaterpuppies
She would be so good! Or Zoe Kravitz!
SirLyonhart
Or Halle Berry 20 years ago
Randersuarus
Yes!
MisterTrashPanda
And some tig ole bitties!
FistingBabyYoda
How about we let actors do their job and act. i.e. pretend to be someone they are not.
PetuniasFromMagrathea
Yellowchopsticks
baronMarbleBreaker
An article aptly titled “was Cleopatra White? And does it even matter?” https://blog.oup.com/2010/12/cleopatra-2/
Grier2217
It doesnt matter, were all useless fleshbags anyway.
ArchAzazel
Not to discredit Duane Roller in the slightest, but I won’t read that because who gives a shit what her skin color was. She was a cool gal
baronMarbleBreaker
The article talks about how the modern day obsession over her race has overshadowed her amazing achievements
baronMarbleBreaker
That’s the whole point of the article...
ArchAzazel
I didn’t read it. If you have, can you tell me if it took a stance on her skin color, if no I’ll happily read it
baronMarbleBreaker
It absolutely talks about her heritage, but Roller emphasizes the ludicrousness of people being more concerned with her skin rather than (1)
baronMarbleBreaker
her outstanding accomplishments. (2)
ArchAzazel
1/2 I sure do love a downvoted instead of an answer. Boy howdy was I open to conversation. But now I’m not. She was a Ptomely and therefor
baronMarbleBreaker
I gave you an answer. Sorry it wasn’t prompt, I just got home from work
ArchAzazel
2/2 white. So if your goal was to stop racism, congratz you caused more or it
fairybug
Cleopatra was kinda white, though. Not a red-headed Irish chick or anything, but she was of largely Greek descent.
Lobuttomize
Didn't she actually have reddish hair?
fairybug
IDK, did she? That'd be pretty neat! The racism she'd face for looking so different only makes her accomplishments even more badass.
Tubularballs
Can we stop saying Greek here and start saying Macedonian? The Ptolemaic line, of which Cleo was the last, started with Alexander.
Berethian
It's all Greek to me.
alpacasaurusrex
Olive skinned & dark haired is likely.
fairybug
So, Lady Gaga or Angelina Jolie would be great choices based on coloring alone. Other things, though. . .
alpacasaurusrex
Tbh, probably. I think Gaga would be far better based on body type & her schnoozle given all her busts show her to have quite the nose. And
alpacasaurusrex
TNG I’m over Angelina and after I saw Gaga in ASiB I was impressed and wouldn’t mind seeing her as Cleo.
fairybug
I concur, Gaga would probably be the better choice of the two.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Not "largely", entirely. The Greek leaders of Egypt only married other Greek leaders. (leading to lots and lots of incest).
fairybug
An excellent point.
alpacasaurusrex
She only had children with two men. Both were Roman. No incest for her, yay!
GodEmperorOfImgur
While true. Her first two husbands were her brothers, Ptolemy XII and Ptolemy XIV.
fairybug
And she got out of that hot mess as soon as she could, as I recall.
Mapleviking
weren't they 10 or something?
alpacasaurusrex
She didn’t have children with them which is where the true issue with incest lies. Especially the more inbreeding there is.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Which is why I started with "while true" :P
Fistouille
We need an ugly, cunning Greek woman
megatots
Most of my relos would fit that description
alpacasaurusrex
She wasn’t ugly, she was handsome at best and tons of people thought she was attractive.
supraman2turbo
Not ugly but average. Ive seen many descriptions of her being of average beauty
katmelly
OP’s Mom?
ObsceneTentacularInsertions
golf clap
JellyCheese
Nana Mouskouri
outtasight
Hard to choose between Jennifer Aniston and Betty White!
tegfdd77
Tina Fey too
YevKaseem
Nia Vardolos?
TheSiskoIsOfBajor
Back off, she's not ugly!
Magnum3point141592654
Giorgio A. Tsoukalos
funnyguy10
whhy
Is such a thing even possible?
CactusFantastic0
Bitch it might be
m00nWatcher
Yes it is
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JeffGodofBiscuits
Gra55Hoppa
+1 for community
IonlycommentTroyandAbedgifs
JeffGodofBiscuits
JWS1988
Let’s be really PC and let a man do it.
HeWhoLaughsAndFartsInYourGeneralDirection
Would the ultimate PC be a post-op trans-person who identifies as their pre-op?
Ulfhedna
An Asian man
evilgriff
Cleopatrick. And Marsha Anthony and Julia Caesar.
newsguycraigevans
Tim Curry. Book it. Done.
YouL0stTheGame
A black trans fascist man woman
TaggerXA
That would be something Netflix would be into..
BrazilianThunderPanda
TheGriffin
Frankly, I'm just impressed how well Hitler was played by a Kiwi
PrincessWillard
Gabourey Sidibe is fantastic, change my mind
NiceGreenArrows
Wouldn't be the first time.
Fartbook
Terry Crews
Oultnil
MrTrevorBelmont
Rename him Patrick Cleo, Drag Queen of the Nile
SirLyonhart
Holy shit, Dave Grohl could play Cleopatra!
WoopDeFrickenDoo
We've come full circle brother! Now is our time. Bro five.
SoraHjort
Weird Al for Cleo!
cardman
Caitlyn Jenner?
BigTex1
Buckle up buckaroos!
Cosmicvonbunbun
WonderfunkJones
A woman portrayed Bob Dylan...
SuperSaiyanSasquatch
Patrick Stewart
BarretXIII
barf1189
How about an east asian man. Hollywood owes them after the last century or so
RiverBear
We just went full circle.
VBorBust
That man better have a vagina too!
TallgeeseIV
How about a man who identifies as a bisexual rabbit-kin, or whatever tf cause 2020 is a cartoon.
smrollinger
No doubt, a white man since gender and race swapping are the thing nowdays. Everyone's gotta be represented or their feelings will be hurt!
AmaIthea
I vote for Rami Malek
LuffyFett
Finally! Female version of Ghostbusters was terrible, wait until they see little women with an all male cast. Still terrible, but funny.
SauteThoseOnionsYouSickBastard
Cleopatro
insongwhang
Asian man! I propose Ken Jeong. The Rock could play Marcus Antonius, and Angelina Jolie Gaius Julius Ceasar
pervertedartifacting
Rickytentoes
Is that not lady Gaga?
SirLyonhart
It looks like David Schwimmer, but he's too old to play Cleopatra now
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
What do you mean? David Schwimmer is much younger than cleopatra is now
Problemwoodchuck
Oscar Isaac as Cleopatra. Monica Bellucci as Antony.
whhy
SuperSaiyanSasquatch
I... I'd actually watch that
nopost
And what most people view associate as 'African' - being black - didn't apply to the Egyptians themselves anyway.
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CoBr2
Arguments of you're only African if you're black. Realistically the location of Egypt and size of it's empire probably made it super diverse
CoBr2
Also, based on historical data (like Jews being in Egypt) the majority might have looked more Middle Eastern than you'd think.
geistwindmedia
At least not until after the nubian conquest iirc
Smokipoki
More like dusty Finns
flamingflamingo
The skin color varied a lot. Even in Greece.
visijared
"We were never African. We were the People of the Nile."
fskn
Water from the Nile.
maracucho
Of denial that is
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
There's some evidence the Ancient Egyptians were, at the time, notoriously racist against their darker-skinned neighbors...
nopost
A lot of that also had to do with issues of Nubian conquest. The Egyptians alternately hired them as mercenaries and lost wars to htem
catsandcoke
King Tut had Sandler’s with Nubians painted on them so he could walk on his enemies
Diabolic7e8
Dude almost every culture in history was racist against black people
butdaditssharkweek
Even other black people and cultures
Rasdwatrium
Maybe people should start realize that "Africa" is not a skin color nor a coherent culture, but a huge ass continent with tons of people.
tomedgerry24
You are so right! Many people forget that Africa is a continent with a multitude of countries and different cultures.
Feralkyn
Roleplayer: "My character speaks African." Me: "Uhh. Which fucking one lol"
DeKetsendeRechter
Like "Europe", you say?
tomedgerry24
Yes, i’m french
DeKetsendeRechter
Weird flex, but ok
Rasdwatrium
Yes.
hipifreq
Egyptians weren't African, they were the People of the Nile, and are depicted as olive skinned
Csel
but Egypt merged with Nubia. And there is still some debate on how much mixing there was, and what original egyptians looked like
Csel
But Cleo was mostly greek in any case.
ghostlight
Since Nubia was only part of Egypt for almost 700 years and ruled it for barely 100 I guess that statement is true.
catsandcoke
My Egyptian coworker gets super pissed when people say ancient Egyptians were black
TrickyChlovers
How dare you use logic on this platform....shame
CogitatorX
Cleopatra was an inbred Macedonian Greek not ethnically Egyptian. It’s said she had blue eyes and dark blonde or auburn hair.
alpacasaurusrex
Really, that’s interesting. I haven’t heard the hair colour but. I’ve heard dark haired. Cool.
urukhello
The Greeks had a fair range of “looks” (for whatever definition we settle on for Greek at the time). But def not what we think of in the
urukhello
Modern day when someone says “African”
alpacasaurusrex
See I just thought her hair was medium brown to dark but always knew she was olive skinned at the darkest. I just didn’t know she was ginger
YevKaseem
Also Cleo was from greek lineage
allmostthere1234
I spoke with her last week. Shes Mexican.
DukeDarkwood
Macedonian descent, would probably have the look of most Mediterranean peoples - which also are often described as olive-skinned.
PlantainSuperNova
Nubians - "Am I an joke to you"
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
They (bottom middle) depicted themselves as much darker than Libyans (top left) and Syrians (bottom left) …
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
albeit lighter than Nubians.Here's another from the tomb of Seti. Libyan (Berber), Nubian, Syrian, Egyptian
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
The Pharaohs of the Ptolemaic dynasty (including Cleopatra) were of course Mediterranean in appearance. But their predecessors and subjects…
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
were not only darker skinned than today's post-Arab-conquest North Africans, they also had African features…
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
judging from their statues. Wide nostrils, full lips etc.
allmostthere1234
I'm not sure but my white son drew himself and colored his face black and body brown so that'll throw historians4a loop in 2k years.
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
If you saw this guy in the streets I'm pretty sure you wouldn't think "Oh, he looks kinda Greek".
FiftyShadesOfCauliflower
There's more artwork further down and I'm pretty sure the tomb of Seti wasn't decorated by children. It's also pretty obv from their statues
UnattendedDeviant
How in the hell are Egyptians not African? Was the country separated from the continent at some point in the last 50000 years?
allmostthere1234
Idk. My phone calendar says I was busy that day at work harvesting wheat.
Escapist83
Ethnically. Not geographically.
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UnattendedDeviant
Exactly. The problem is so many just see "Black people" and think it's one big culture. The ethnicity varies just like in Europe.
UnattendedDeviant
Hell, there are even differences like head shape that across a huge continent. You could most of the US inside the Sahara Desert.
Escapist83
The same could be said about China. But yes, 99% of the time African = Black.
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UnattendedDeviant
China isn't a continent. Your analogy would use Asia. And then you'll see how Asians differ widely.
UnattendedDeviant
Ummm, the ethnic of Africa differs just as mych as Europe. The problem is so many people see just Black people. The cultures differ.
flavivsaetivs
Sub-Saharan African population in Egypt mostly goes up with the Islamic Conquest, alongside the Semetic population (obviously).
attila3000
I doubt that, the Arabs were few. The avg Egyptian peasant looks pretty much the same as 3000 years ago.
flavivsaetivs
It's not about the conquering population, it's about mobility between regions. Lots of interchange happened after that.
attila3000
Thanks, I did not know that
PlantainSuperNova
Nubia was part of Egypt and Nubians straight up ruled the country at one point, but please tell me that no Egyptians were black before islam
alpacasaurusrex
For 100 years give or take. Mid 700-600s BC. They promptly started interbreeding, abandoned their culture & adopter Egyptian culture.
flavivsaetivs
I didn't say that at all. I said the Sub-Saharan population went up with the Arab conquest.
flavivsaetivs
Ancient Egypt was actually kinda racist against Sub-Saharan people because of their conflicts with Kush/Nubia to the South of them.
RealScienceMan
Let's be super real here, Ancient "X" was kinda racist, just in general.
manolyk23
Latin Americans?!
RealScienceMan
ooooooo yes, a lot of em still are, you gotta have lighter or darker skin or some shit, depending on where you're from.
flavivsaetivs
Most cultures thought along the lines of "Us" and "Barbarians" (everyone else) typically. Wasn't usually about skin color.
Csel
they were generally xenophobic, but not racist. They hate outsiders but if there is another race inside their kingdom they often embrace it.
Csel
but at some point, often there was internal turmoil, and yes racial lines would be drawn. It's always an us vs them dilemma.
Alenelvans
Well she was Greek. So probably a bit white. That rules scarJo out!
LasciviousHedgehog
Hellenic ruling class so Lady Gaga being of Italian heritage would probably work skin tone wise
animal531
So she just needs an Ariana Grande tan job...
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Alenelvans
She was in fact a member of the Greek ruling class of the Ptolemaic dynasty. She had some Persian ancestry, and a possible African grandma.
Alenelvans
But otherwise her entire paternal line and likely much of her maternal line was Greek.
wallbanger
To be fair, it was a pretty straight line so kind of hard to introduce new blood in to the mix.
redstick
Ancient Greeks were actually as white as modern Swedes.
NightPainPoe
She was very likely was faired skinned. Mixed races such as her can result in that.
bootenvon
So Jason Mantzoukas?
Oliv1
Rami Malek is Egyptian, he's olive and a great actor. He should be the Cleopatra!
deumaro
Newest research found out that here mother was very probably Egyptian, so she's half greek
Drewscifer
Weren't the Ptolemaics like super inbred?
V1c70r10us
Yeah but a lot of people think she was a redhead, so, maybe it doesn’t rule the blonde out. Because Hollywood.
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
The North African race, which includes the Ancient Egyptians, is commonly mistaken for European. So the entire cast should look white.
EwgB
Cleopatra wasn't Ancient Egyptian though, she was Ptolemaic. so of Macedonian Greek ancestry.
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
But the people she was ruling over were mostly Egyptians. So, a white person ruling over what looks like white people.
Sketchanie
I thought she was Egyptian??? Jesus my teachers failed at teaching me proper history.
ArtBrymer
.... And this should surprise you?
Sketchanie
It's not surprising, more sad than anything
Yoloswagforjesus
Egyptian ruling class were of Macedonian heritage during that time period. Google Ptolemaic Dynasty.
fredlinkage
Why? Greeks were originally blonde haired and blue eyed. Scarlet would be perfect.
GoldFrieza
It's a joke about a controversy with Scarlett playing an Asian woman
boomtoughactintinactin
I'm just glad you explained it, I'm only this deep in the comments because I was lost
SomeDetroitGuy
A biracial, half white, half Asian cyborg.
JurassicParkour789
Now I want to see movie about cyborg Cleopatra.
T0X1E
A cyborg!? Even worse
khazaria
ghost in the shell?
Jimoar
Yeah even though the creator of gits said he designed her to look eastern European in the 90's.
khazaria
So I guess it's fine. I thought she looked appropriately neutral robot-esque in the movie. I'm not gits person myself, just saw the movie.
Jimoar
I recommend the original anime movie. It's on lots of services. Very different themes.
esparadrapo
If there wasn't a really original design like in The Witcher I'd be fine with ScarJo as Motoko. But she doesn't resemble to the original.
Jimoar
She's ok considering how many bodies the major goes through. But again when the creator was asked about it he really liked her as the major.
FlameBeard86
I'm confused. In what way is scarjo not white?
Oliv1
She's part Jewish so technically she's not white, just like Mexicans are not white. Both Jews and Mexicans looks white to me.
GrouchyMarx
It's a joke. ScarJo portrayed a Japanese character. This is all criticism towards white actors being chosen to portray non-white characters.
bibsen2000
That’s the joke...did you really not get it..I pray for humanity
FlameBeard86
It didn't appear to be a joke. Seemed like a completely serious request.
Spootanany
I didn't get it because I don't pay much attention to celebrity bullshit. How is that a problem for humanity?
shessosmooth
Probably should be safe and go with Charlize Theron.
yankees27
Ae yes, the African American, a great choice
Rasdwatrium
I'm confused. In what way is charthe not white?
GrouchyMarx
It's a joke. She was born in Africa. These are jokes stemming from white actors portraying non-white characters, like ScarJo as Kusanagi.
Notareptilian
Mostly Greek? Do we know all her heritage?
Csel
yes
DryPuns
She was a Ptolemaic pharaoh, so she was part of the Macedonian Greek royal family.
DryPuns
Oh wait, this is my dry puns account, uuuuh, Ptolemaic-ing me crazy!
allenvasher3000
She was the younger full sibling of Alexander the great
alpacasaurusrex
False. Cleopatra was like naming your kid Daenerys. Or Jennifer or Katherine. It was popular. Some families had tons per generation.
FineIPooped
Wrong Cleopatra
NiceGreenArrows
To be specific, macedonian greeks are referred to as "olive skinned". Which isn't actually very specific. But "probably a bit white" yes
LordCommanderTomSnow
So.. Macedonian
SithElephant
Green then.
TehStephen
Caucasian in a very academic sense.
DungeonMaster69
A bit white but still darker green than the hulk
Csel
"white" racially, but Mediterraneans commonly have a darker complexion, and similar to black irish in past were sometimes labelled black
Csel
but the black usually meant the hair color and olive / tanned skin
ozaaza
Rashida jones
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
I think her dad was a GI or something
secondtalon
Her dad's a technical EGOT, which is still a hell of an achievement. Not sure if I'm missing a joke, or if you don't know Quincy Jones.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
She's very exotic looking.
capnsebastian
So Selma Hayek?
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somethingsomethingwittyhere
As a Greek:
NaSMaX
Good sweet black Jesus yes, give it to HER!
horseheadmaniac
Alenelvans
They were probably at least as white as modern Greeks. Who are considered white by almost everyone
matthorn4314012
Problem here is also everyone had a tan year round. Vast majority of people went outside.
NiceGreenArrows
They were at most, as white as modern greeks, which are indeed considered white, because it was more fun picking on the extremes. :p
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
I dated a guy whose dad was Greek and whose mom was Egyptian. His skin was super white. Obviously there are dark-skinned people of both /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
groups too. Basically there's no way to know what Cleopatra would look like because even now if you pick a random Greek they could be /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
super dark or super light. /3
NiceGreenArrows
But yeah, tanning, makeup, and her probably nubian grandparent? There's a reason her detractors saying she was black was a credible slur.
ihaveaten
Ptolemaic Dynasty was incredibly insane about keeping their bloodline pure. Like, more than the fictional Targaryens.
thatdamnrat
That was something they copied off the original Pharoh lineages, they weren't unique in that respect
NiceGreenArrows
It WAS intended as a slur though, so using that as evidence that she actually was, isn't conclusive. So "Probably whitish" it is.
BlackAssMamaWhiteAssDaddy
“Probably Whitish” sounds like the spinoff of “Mixed-ish” which is the spinoff from “Black-ish” which are both awful
Csel
Mediterraneans commonly have a dark complexion, but are still "white" racially. But in the past and different time periods labels moved
TheOvy
Some are pretty white, some look like Jason Mantzoukas, who's often cast as Arab. Mediterranean culture groups are more diverse than
TheOvy
the American understanding of whiteness. To quote the wiki article: "cream to tan or dark brown skin tone; olive complexion." Source below:
TheOvy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_race
UserSubHunterOfIndeterminateGender
Considering she would have taken every opportunity to be as pale as possible, she would have probably not even looked olive skinned.
burlyqlady
Olive skinned doesn't mean dark or tan. It's literally a green tint as opposed to a pink or peach one. Even snow white people can be olive
Frogber
Pale ass olive here too #represent lol
noodlesandalfred
thank you i'm a very pale olive
katanatripsis
All my pale olive vampire peeps represent! And tell me if you find women’s clothes that aren’t pastels and make us look sick.
burlyqlady
Haha
burlyqlady
I find any color in the soft tones (as opposed to brights) work really well on me!