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Edit: This is crazy. I'm new to Imgur I'd never have thought I'd ever make it to Most Viral I just wanted to share something important to me. Also I have no relation to Mrs. Echols, I simply found her story and wanted to spread it. The responses from you guys are amazing, gives me hope one day this bullshit will end.
Revelationtwenty14and15
Poor girl, I'll be praying for her!
iwonttellifyouwonttell
Having a child who underwent a heart transplant this really does hit home for my wife and I. Please educate and vaccinate hosptal stays suck
preaction
I love all the people who wrote in to tell her she was wrong which forced her to write those updates. People are just assholes.
Ilikeyogurt
Right? That's what I was thinking. Their concern was that she assumed the sick kid wasn't vaccinated?The message is still the same fucktards
CelestialDancerChick
Anti vaxxers are one of the worst and newest plagues to humanity.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Unfortunately they won't die off...just their children and immunocompromised children of others.
willowed
Her face :( I want to go hug her.
lka1988
I have two little girls. I know that face very well. Someone is cutting onions in here...
Mockingbirb
I hope she will get better soon!
whatwhatupthebutt
Am I the only one that finds it kinda odd to post close ups of your crying daughter to social media?
buckbuckbuckybuck
It drives home that this a big deal. Daughter of a RN and a transplant recipient probably knows well what this means at her age.
Weepyorchid
No you are not.
PolarChi
I think it's supposed to add to the effect... I'm sure she's hoping people will see her, stop, & want to know why she's crying... I did.
IAlwaysUpvoteBirdies
She wants to prove a point I guess
ItsReallyNot
Here in Denmark, the leader of the largest anti-vax group literally said "That's too bad, but my child is more important" when asked 1/2
ItsReallyNot
About this scenario. So yeah, they might be well aware of the danger they pose, but just don't care.
Legosinthedark
That's hilarious because their child is the most at risk. Have fun with measles mumps and rubella. Poor kid
Lulabel73
You can die from Chicken Pox. It can happen, it's rare but it happens.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
And that's healthy kids, not immunocompromised ones. Before the vaccine it was about 100 deaths in the US per year.
Lulabel73
People seem to forget how easy it is to die.
TheReferenceGoddess
Some people forget that humans are meant to die.
Boiums
Boi autism is a developmental disorder, people are born with it. It's just being diagnosed on a broader spectrum, leading to "higher rates"
pandro
The "broad spectrum" thing started much later than antivax, iirc. It was saddened ppl wanting a "reason" for their kid's severe autism.
ShamnusMcfee
It is, coincidentally, becomes apparent around the age children receive vaccinations. That's the entirety of their connection.
TheSwedishMoose
That and the fact we're better at identifying it. Same with cancer where rates "skyrocketed" because we were much better at diagnosing it.
Hellstorm99
As someone who has lived through kidney failure twice... VACCINATE YOUR F***ING KIDS!
terithian
Anti-vaxxers were telling her to "educate herself"? Jesus Christ, the irony is physically painful.
TheBiggestRipOffSinceWebster
That poor girl. I hope she feels better soon.
itbe3am
Just to make Canada even better, We suspend students who don't have all of their vaccines.
Mangron
In Australia you don't get any government help if your child isn't vaccinated.
TylersSenseOfEnnui
Exactly. You don't force idiots. Ideally you educate them but if not you coerce them.
Mangron
It's funny how many parents started getting their kids vaccinated after this was placed.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
You have to feel sorry for those kids, having such shitty parents.
itbe3am
Of course
killbot9566
Yeah why don't they make vaccine mandatory for your kid to leave the hospital or go anywhere near the public
GentlemanScientist
because MUH FREEDUMS
aFadingMemory
Something about personal freedom over what goes into your children's bodies. Slippery slope maybe. (An answer not an opinion)
Vick4rs
Whilst I agree. I didn't think chicken pox was covered under the vaccinations? I was vaccinated and had that as a kid.
Vick4rs
Had to Google it. The UK doesn't do the chicken pox vaccine unless you require it because of a low immune system etc.
notafrog
Yeah! Chicken pox parties are a thing right?
Vick4rs
Highlight of a parents year by the way go on about them, hah!
Nommy86
There is a vaccine for chicken pox now?
Morenn
not normally
SomeDetroitGuy
There has been for two decades. Thousands of lives have been saved because of it.
demosthenes89
Yeah honestly... I'm pro-vaccination, but I don't really consider chicken pox or flu vaccines necessary for most people. Chicken pox is ...
demosthenes89
generally not dangerous if you get it when you are a child (not an infant). For the girl in this story, any infection is life threatening...
demosthenes89
Strep throat, norovirus, even a bad cold are a very big deal when you're immunosuppressed. No amount of chicken pox vaccines will keep...
demosthenes89
her safe from a world filled with pathogens. So this is a bit of a bad example. But I get it, if I were her mom I'd be pissed too.
wipsnchainsexciteme
Widely used the states i believe, its not standard practice to vaccinate against chicken pox in uk
flotusflower
also in switzerland
HighlandPotatoe
Yeah, standard is spread it between the kids of suitable age, if no one is available then vaccine
AbidiAbida
Why can't school REQUIRES kids to be vaccinated before they can be accepted? For all states and cities.
ffilm
Most public schools require documentation of certain vaccines. Private schools make their own policies.
The701
Yes, but it's possible, and apparently not sufficiently difficult, to get a waiver to get out of it.
WookieWookieWookie
there should be no exceptions except for heath reasons, like people who can't get them without getting sick.
MachineInterface
On the flipside chickenpox is not one of the diseases people usually think of vaccinating their kids against, even when they're pro-vax.
WookieWookieWookie
That's why you do whatever your doctor tells you to do.
MachineInterface
No actually that sounds like a bad idea too. Doctors are very often not on top of recent medical knowledge.
WookieWookieWookie
They're more up to date than a lay person reading crap online.
MachineInterface
Some doctors give genuinely bad or outdated advices. Following your doctor should be the default motion, but certainly not a rule of iron.
CloudCrack
I had a nurse tell me her friends child became autistic after a vaccine, my only thought was she's in the wrong business.
GentlemanScientist
That is a breach of professional ethics and may be grounds for termination.
WookieWookieWookie
It has nothing to do with ethics, but she should be fired for being such a bad nurse.
GentlemanScientist
The severity of course depends on the circumstances but as a medical professional, substituting hearsay for scientific fact is unethical.
iknowsomethings
lol that statement "became autistic" just defies all logic and proves they have no understanding of how anything works.
dragonflyy69
"That's not how literally anything, in the whole universe, works"
MultiColoredRedhead
But... aren't people born with autism?
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
There are a lot of theories. I for once think it has a genetic base.
Imguralterego
No, it's a choice!
MeepMeepMaMeepMeepBeep
Autism can manifest after the toddler phase. Which coincidentally lines up with vaccination schedules. So they draw conclusions from that.
tybbiesniffer
My mom's neighbor has 5 sons. She knew the youngest was "different" as a baby. At 2 or 3 he was diagnosed as autistic.
rabidCOVIDphysician
I read that paper that started the whole movement. It is so utterly fucked, it's unbelievable the editors published it
xoverthirtyx
“But I do not regret publishing the original Wakefield paper.” -Richard Horton, editor, the Lancet in his book ‘Second Opinion'.
SithElephant
And the fuckers still doing it. http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/Hooper-to-Horton-15-April-2016.htm A terrible (and influential) paper on CFS.
SomeDetroitGuy
They did retract it.
xoverthirtyx
“But I do not regret publishing the original Wakefield paper.” -Richard Horton, editor,the Lancet in his book ‘Second Opinion'.
QuentinD
What is the relevance of that quote? That Dick is a dick?
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Yeah. After the paper was proven to be falsified, he still had no regret or remorse about publishing it.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
And the doctor that wrote it lost his medical license. Turns out you can't write an unbiased paper when you want to develop a new vaccine
NotMyUsualOnlineName
system to sell for millions. Who knew?
SteveMcCroskey
But damage....Done.
dragonflyy69
Yeah. After they did until damage and were at risk of losing absolutely everything for their asinine incompetence.
BrandName
howdovaccinescauseautism.com
imreprobate
Seems this is no longer a valid link.
BrandName
Still works on mobile lol.
imreprobate
I think it's a conspiracy! It started to appear on my phone and within a blink, it was gone. Guess I'm not supposed to view it...
Viennha
My aunts argument isn't the autism one, it's the "the vaccines are filled with so many dangerous chemicals !" I don't even love her anymore
tardis63
Slap a smoothie out of her hand. "Auntie! That has dihydrogen monoxide in it! That can poison you!" Then give her a chemistry textbook...
iknowsomethings
+1 for "I don't even love her anymore". I chortled.
Etlac
Suggest that destroying angels are 100% natural so they must be healthy.
GadenKerensky
Chemicals in amounts of ridiculously low concentrations it's negligible. Worse is when Antivaxxers learn about how they work. Makes em freak
BradPiss
Being a transplant patient myself, i feel you:(
Rodltwo
Vaccines can't melt steel beams!!! Wake up people!!
dragonflyy69
Nice reference.
BlasphemousPigeon
all the essentials should be mandatory unless the child (like this one) is immunocompromised. "But da gubberment!" Fucking anti vaxxers...
MrPeebles
As mentioned in the other reply many public universities, for instance, will not let you attend classes without all shots.
BlasphemousPigeon
I know when I went to college they forced me to get a tetanus shot. Those are the worst.
NotHAL
It's simple - your kid isn't vaccinated, they cannot go to public schools or daycare centers (kindergartens)? Most of civilized world 1/2
NotHAL
does this (EU). If you want to be an idiot, go be an idiot somewhere else and pay for it. 2/2
BlasphemousPigeon
It seems the laws here in the US have become pretty lax within the recent years, which is why we keep having outbreaks.
therealVexed
the more I read about the U.S the more I wonder if american centrism in the media is a bit blinding to the faults of the country
BlasphemousPigeon
If by centrism you mean nationalism, then yes. Unfortunately people who are centric politically are the only voice of reason.
tardis63
Absolutely. To be "fair and balanced" it has to sometimes treat the absurd as a valid stance or be labeled biased and partisan.
ImNotAnOrange
Forcing everyone to be subject to mandated drugs is a very slippery slope if you wanna believe fiction, idk about irl examples
tardis63
You mean a very slippery slope fallacy
Honorius77
If you believe in autonomy over ones own body you can't support mandatory vaccinations. I'm for vaccines, education & patience are the way.
calenlass
So when willful ignorance sweeps the populace, how do you reconcile? Mass refusal infringes upon your own bodily autonomy, doesn't it?
Honorius77
No. I can't control other people's actions ultimately, only my own. And forcing an unwilling population becomes a police state regardless.
calenlass
Right but how do you protect yourself? If everyone is out for themselves, a la anarchy or libertarianism, how?
dmax12
I would be against measures as it does set a precedence that I disagree with. This is also a vey low mortality rate for chicken pox.
ImNotAnOrange
i think we were talking about vaccinations in general, i wasnt aware chicken pox was worth a vaccine unless you didnt get it as a kid
dmax12
try give it to 1 year olds as standard in the US. I was born beyond this and got the immunity the old school way haha
ImNotAnOrange
When did that's start I remember nearly everyone getting it when I was a kid
CelticmoonKate
SHINGLES. My grandad lost his eye to an outbreak and after fighting in ww2 was the only injury that ever made the man consider suicide.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Even in cases where the vaccine doesn't completely prevent contraction, it normally mitigates the symptoms.
kollette88
You can't legally require that children be vaccinated, but you can make there be consequences for not doing so.
therealVexed
soccer moms... lots of anti vaxers are rich and crazy
ShamnusMcfee
You can legally require it. That's what laws are for. All of our laws are for public benefit, and vaccinations are for public benefit.
thismakesnosense
Yeah but you have something called a bodily right or whatever in the us which protects our citizens from unwanted invasions of our bodies
PenisShapedPoops
I often got forced into school, health checkups, lice checks, etc. We get touched all the time, really, at that age.
thismakesnosense
That is not inside your body. you weren't an adult. It's when you start taking fluids out, or putting fluids in. Getting blood drawn etc
NameNotFoundException
Against the constitution in many places to do things to your body without your consent. Yeah, you could change the constitution, but gl
thismakesnosense
That's why you can refuse to blow and if you refuse to get your blood drawn getting pulled over for DUI, the cop has to get a court order
kollette88
A breathalyzer is mandatory under the implied consent law in my state. Refuse and that's a separate charge.
BlasphemousPigeon
If you refuse it's treated the same as a DUI, in Colorado at least. Laws on that vary from state to state. Source: used to work at DMV
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Depends on the country. Pakistan will imprison the parents and take the children for refusing polio vaccinations.
calenlass
For once, I feel like they kind of have the right idea.
GadenKerensky
Australia has that; no vaccinations, no support benefits from the Government.
SomeCrazyNerd
No Jab No Pay ftw!
GadenKerensky
That being said, I heard it can cause some problems for people like Refugees who may not have had existing information in the Gov Database.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Honest question: is there any harm in receiving the vaccinations again?
senseihugo
Same in finland; No vaccinations and child will be drawn out of public education and wont get any support benefits
Sionas
Unfortunately, this will fall on deaf ears. It's not only anti-vax, but also a part of a greater problem of anti-intellectualism.
PiggyWobbles
"Why should i listen to experts who think theyre better than me"
Aylasita
When they lose their children to the diseases they could have vax'd for and still dont vax their other children or understand. there'snohope
neutrik
That's the real problem. There is absolutely no argument in the world that would make them think twice.
BilldeTurlock
!
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
What makes these scientist think that they know so much anyway?
txtmylife
Well said. Anti-intellectualism is exactly what is happening. People would rather believe the Web/TV than actually acquire knowledge.
TheWombatStrikesAgain
For some it's just about feeling smart. "If the majority does X and the majority is stupid, I will do Y and be a cool and smart rebel".
charondaboatman
Unfortunately, the anti-intellectualists don't even know what that term means. Sooo, here ya go - "...a greater problem of lazy stupidity"
BrightSideOLife
It seems a bit like beating a dead horse at this point. Anyone who is still anti-vax clearly doesn't care about facts or cases like this.
MerToo
oh look at smarty pants with big words, probably got autism from all the 1080 in the chemtrail-vaxs
ffilm
The average anti-vax proponent is an educated, liberal white woman. Surprised the hell outta me.
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
CziltangBrone
"Freedom means my opinion is just as valid as your science." Fucking stupid and egotistical.
WookieWookieWookie
That's the problem. All these idiots think they have a right to any opinion and that it's valid.
roads88mph
It's not anti-intellectualism. It's people needing to feel special and smart because they found "the real truth".
PiggyWobbles
Thats kind of anti-intellectualism though - believing after 20 mins of online research u know better than experts who have studied for years
Etlac
Devil's advocate: there are people who see science as a tool of the enemy that took their jobs in the name of efficiency.
roads88mph
Just another example of the average American not being able to go "Maybe I'm the wrong one".
WookieWookieWookie
Then that's their fault for having an easily replaced job. Go get an education and be one of the people developing those technologies.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
I believe that all this shit could only happen because we let people get away with "I've never been good at maths" and shit like that.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
If we had stopped it right there and then, it wouldn't have opened the door for more dangerous rejection of knowledge and learning.
LizardsInTheSky
"When are we going to USE this mathematics?" Not necessarily the maths, but being able to demonstrate critical thinking and problem solving
LizardsInTheSky
is going to be useful every goddamn day of your adult life.
oldsweatpants
I had a friend who grew up in an anti-vax family and her parents are educated and her grandpa was had a PhD but they still didn't believe in
Dionysus187
What did he have a PhD in?
orixandcrak
Anecdotal evidence.
SomeCrazyNerd
Unfortunately even a good education is not a watertight guarantee. There's no cure for inate flaws.
oledyak
Education and intellect are not always connected.
PrincessBride1
Education =/= wisdom.
ZOMGNO
I also know of people like this. Medical families that refuse.
helpidontknowmyname
Really? Commenter said they were educated, not medical. Medical Health Care Providers (not office staff, etc.) know better.
ZOMGNO
Yeah, but disturbingly, I know medical people who refuse. And like... they should be able to read through the bullshit.
helpidontknowmyname
I believe you, but please define or clarify "medical". Cuz no actual practitioner of medicine would follow a blatantly fraudulent practice.
oldsweatpants
Vaccinations. Unfortunately it goes beyond education, it's about the hive mentality
SomeLameStuff
My mum is educated, yet believes vaccines cause autism because "more people have autism now than back then without vaccines". Goddammit mom.
BlueKarat
It's not even remotely surprising with how many people think correlation means causation.
Zet741
Educated, not intelligent. Sadly those two things don't necessarily go together anymore. No offense to your mom, trust me I feel the pain.
2bachata
Tell her pollution causes autism. Maybe she'll become and environmentalist.
Yetiphobia
But then she'd have to change her lifestyle, instead of blaming an injection that doesn't show visible advantages the moment you get it.
Inimposter
Than this is a failure of educational institution: no f way a PhD wouldn't check something so critical to his family. And he hadn't,obviousl
Yetiphobia
True fucking story: my sister-in-law is a neuropsychologist, and she believes that her sterility is related to something from a past life.
Inimposter
That's extremely discouraging... My condolences on her illness and, uh, opinions both.
Yetiphobia
There's something that only some of us have, which is the...need, I guess...to base our POV on what (we think to be) provable truths.
Dionysus187
Its because she blames herself and is looking for anything to shift that blame to.
Yetiphobia
Maybe. That still leaves the question of how much wisdom, knowledge, self-knowledge, \whatever, is required to face the truth unvarnished.
MoreCheeseGromit
1) As someone studying for a Biology PhD I don't know any anti-vaxers, but doing/having a PhD does not always mean you're clever, just
MoreCheeseGromit
2) that you're very knowledgeable about a very narrow area of research and that you're dedicated to learning about that one particular area
Inimposter
PhD assumes you know the scientific method and anti vax is anti science.
80percentlegs
Yes but I'd assume that there's a correlation between that level of edu and general intellectual curiosity and respect for scientific rigor
SpiffDeWiff
Also someone studying for a biology PhD. I'm fricking dumb in so many areas. PhD does not equal common sense.
SpiffDeWiff
Damn, me too! There's so much I don't know about everything! I suppose the good thing or they I'll never stop learning?!
MoreCheeseGromit
I feel dumb even about Biology at times too :P
Yetiphobia
But this isn't about common sense. It's about belief in the scientific method as relates to medicine!
LoZCollector
Fuck it. Make vaccines mandatory. It's abundantly clear these people cannot be trusted to think for themselves.
JustHereToPostPicturesOfMyDog
Someone actually said to me "Use your own thought's not what you read in some fucking book written by some fucking don't know shit moron"
Sionas
Have you asked them about religion?
JustHereToPostPicturesOfMyDog
I'll take a hard pass on that one
Sionas
Probably a good call, might cause some incredible amounts of backlash.
JustHereToPostPicturesOfMyDog
I'm a nurse and was citing medical textbooks in a discussion about addiction. He was citing his personal experiences.
Roushyy
I know a dude like that. You could show him the Moon thru a telescope and he'd question its shape because someone else made the lens.
JustHereToPostPicturesOfMyDog
People like this make me question my decision to choose a profession that keeps them alive.
Roushyy
I, and many others, appreciate your service to society. Keep it up.
ArchangelArtist
Millennials are reproducing, hence the stupid choices.
JanetVanDyne
How the fuck do you expect more children to be born? Teen pregnant Zs? Many gen Xs already had menopause.
ArchangelArtist
Too many people here already....
LizardsInTheSky
Them millennials would be anti vaccine! I bet they also make claims about population without stats or science to back it up! Those bastards!
G0ldunDrak0n
wat
Wombatish
Movement's meteoric rise started in '98 with wakefield's publication in the lancet.
METAAAAAAAAAL
More anti-information I would say. It's not neccesarily that they are dumb as much as it is them being taught that science isn't trustworthy
SmellOfMonkey
Then they shouldn't watch tv, or use the internet, or drive cars, or use electricity, or wear anything made of modern fibres...etc
furriephillips
Which is dumb
RedDwarfIV
I don't believe in anti-vax, but I can kind of understand that. Imagine an evolutionary biology department run by young earth creationists
RedDwarfIV
You can say "its a scientific institute" but its still not run by people you can trust to come to the truthful conclusion.
RedDwarfIV
Of course, the irony is, anti-vax researchers are the YECs in this analogy.
bushidopirate
The irony is that they using the internet and other products of scientific thought to spread their anti-science message.
horsebananas
I think a lot of it is pride and a zealous approach to freedom. So many people refuse to be told what to do on anything regardless of risk.
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
True!
Etlac
Which is in turn a way for them to reassure themselves that they are still in control of their own lives.
jdickey
I used to carry cards that I'd give to such people. "You are free to swing your arm, up to but NOT INCLUDING just before it strikes my face"
NaughtButOne
They're technically free to sock you right in the mouth if they want to.
jdickey
Of course, if they're willing to serve time for the subsequent assault and battery conviction.
ideologist
No, it's that they are wilfully dumb. Don't excuse it. If you stick your fingers in your ears in the face of facts - fuck you, you are dumb.
iLoveItWhenMyFingersSmellLikePussy
That's the exact same argument they are using though..
METAAAAAAAAAL
But when you're taught from childhood that "facts" aren't trustworthy, you'll stick your fingers in your ears. Even if your IQ is 180.
LizardsInTheSky
They're not excusing it, they're explaining it. Also having a 2 hour civil discussion with an antivax is way more likely to help than
QuentinD
Doctor here- can count on one hand the number of times an antivax has actually wanted a discussion vs. yelling/storming out
LizardsInTheSky
"FUCK YOU GUYS YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. Also please vaccinate."
Zyrixion
If they can reject the 100% preponderance of scientific evidence, nothing short of a bullet is going to penetrate their thick head.
ideologist
I don't yell at anyone, but I have seen in person at my son's school (repeatedly) parents outraged that they can't enroll kids without them
metalfoto
Sadly is goin worse year after year.
nefridelle
For the older Imgurians: the chicken pox vaccine came out in 1995 for children. Also: http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4202.pdf
FreelancerRexx
As an adult who never caught chicken pox the hard way- if your kid can catch it, just let them. That shot is expensive and needs boosters.
FreelancerRexx
It's not worth a lifetime of $200 boosters that may or may not be covered by insurance. Keep your sick kid at home, obviously.
BeneGesseritConspiracyTheorist
Also, howdovaccinescauseautism.com
OopsieDaiseys
It came out the year I was born and I STILL got chicken pox before getting vaccinated? The fuck?
MrKristy
As someone born in 94, that contracted chicken pox when I was 6 or 7. What?!?!
mallywanders
Yep. I was born in 96 and was vaccinated for it at the earliest age I could be, which was after my sister caught it in her first week of
mallywanders
Kindergarten. She had been vaccinated for like a week, so it couldn't protect her yet.
iamthecanadian
Ha thanks. Wondering how I missed that ...and I have kids. ............am I out of touch?... No.... It's the kids that are out of touch
dragonflyy69
Thanks. Was incredibly confused. Didn't actually know there was a pox vaccine.
LizardEnterprises
When the fuck did I become "older?" .... oh. In 1995 apparently...
MsDilbert
In my country, this vaccine is not obligatory. A small percentage of kids gets vaccined, and most get chickenpox in kindergarden.
Enginerrrrrrrrr
Ah ok. I was wondering since I got every shot known to man in 1989... I definitely had chicken pox before '95 as well...
HothAintHot
Thanks, I was just going to ask that. Lucky kids, chicken pox is terrible.
QueenCousland
It's still bizarre to me that there's a vaccine for it. When I was a kid, it was practically a rite of passage.
ThelostWorldofAtlantis
My mom tried to get the vaccine for us but they were reserved for immunocompromised kids at the time :(
dmax12
probably high risk individuals (elderly likely). As an imunocomp myself, we cannot get the cp vaccine, as it is considered 'live '.
ThelostWorldofAtlantis
That sounds more likely. I can get it now as I'm sure the immunity wore off. I really don't want shingles.
supervillin
Born in 81, had the 'pox around 93 or so, glad to hear I didn't just get fucked out of a vaccine instead.
mallywanders
I'd also have been worried about being screwed into having to worry about one day getting shingles
toneman238
I was wondering if vaccines prevented chicken pox, because I was vaccinated, and I got them. The vaccine didn't come out until I was 20.
someguy15591
Ooo lol that's why I never got one.
KingoPeculiar
Awe shit. All that itchin and scrachin for nothin.
dmax12
Yeah, it still was and is a low mortality disease. So it's sort of meh to me.
Ghostwish
Man I was wondering. Had chicken pox back in 91. Shit sucked and left scars.
StubbAdub
Thanks, I didn't realise this was a thing! I got them in 1990 lol
skwerl
My boys were born in '92 and '95. Younger one got the c-pox vaccine and still got a mild case of c-pox when his brother brought them home.
Cramsington
I got chicken pox in 1995 lol
Lastavica
Who are you calling old?? :D But yeah, I was really confused... I don't think we have vaccination for chicken pox in Croatia...? Beats me..
Lastavica
Just now realized I'm a bad mother because I have a baby and have no idea if we have vacc. I thought she'll have to "ride it out" like me
nefridelle
Not a bad mom, there's a lot of things that aren't common knowledge. Ask your doctor about it. :)
Lastavica
Indeedeeo! That I shall do! :)) While I'm at it, I'll ask for baby-sleep-all-night-please medicine... I hope that has also been invented...
nefridelle
I believe that's called cough syrup.... :P
itsybitsyspider
I had already had it by then. Fuuuuuck. At least my children will get it.
mallywanders
It's worth it. My parents never had to slather me in anti itch cream or get me to keep mittens on my hands for a week, and I'll never have
mallywanders
To worry about getting shingles. Plus, since chicken pox is dangerous for the elderly and for infants, if your kids ever got chicken pox
mallywanders
You couldn't ask their grandparents to help take care of them and at the same time you'd have to keep them from any kids under 18 months,
mallywanders
Which was a struggle for my parents when my sister got it. 1st week of kindergarten, 1 week post vaccine, 1 week before the vaccine would
GrandmaSlappy
Thank you, I was so confused!!!
mritty
Huh. Well thank you for that. My initial reaction was "LOL there's no such thing as a Chicken Pox vaccine. Every kid just gets them!"
SwiggityDiggitySwoo
I had "the pox" when I was 5 - was laid up for 3 weeks & missed the last week of kindergarten ...Had them in my throat & ears ... good times
earninghermrs
I was gonna say...
BacteriumOfJoy
Got the chicken pox vaccine, and I've never had chicken pox. Fuck that noise lol
463527818
I was born in 2000 and it was normal to contract chicken pox; is there any reason it became more common to vaccinate or just unpleasantness?
thebirdbiologist
Having it when you're young puts you at higher risk of getting shingles when you are older. There's also a vaccine for that now too.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Even in cases where it isn't 100% effective, it normally mitigates the symptoms. Also, in the US pre-1995 there were 100 reported related
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deaths a year. Not having seen recent research, the number should be closer to 10 now.
pancreas
i was confused as well, but my youngest sibling was born just before that, and I guess it wasn't made super public knowledge.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
Ohhh, neat. I was born in 88 and got it the old fashioned way. Cool to know they made a vaccine!
thebirdbiologist
You should consider getting the shingles vaccine when you get older; you're at a higher risk of getting it since you had the chicken pox.
MyCatLikesToFruitcake
Who knows what they'll have when I'm old :D The wonders of medicene!
CelticmoonKate
Me too, I am petrified of shingles. Its very common in my older relatives and they get it BAD. My brother was vaxxed, fuck yeah.
thebirdbiologist
There's a vaccination you can get in your 50s or 60s that will prevent shingles now.
CelticmoonKate
Its apparently not as effective as the chicken pox vaccine, but yeah I have some protection available. (And I'm cleared to get it at 35!)
PirateRubberDuck
It came out about two years ago in the UK. We were waiting to see the effect on you guys since it is a live vaccine.
anndi56
I got it right around '95--from my neighbor who contracted from the vaccine. Possibly the contraction here was also from someone vaccinated
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Wow, I'm surprised at the delay.
PirateRubberDuck
It does seem excessive. Reassuring that it is safe though.
sbot5000
Kids these obv can't handle chicken pox. Smh.. what a generation
SomeDetroitGuy
It used to kill hundreds a year. Kids these days get the vaccine, don't die.
MooseFoxx
I had to research the chicken pox vaccine and it wasn't even offered in the UK. You can now get it if you want privetly the main problem 1/2
MooseFoxx
2/2 If you didn't get chicken pox as a kid you could get shingles as an adult which can be deadly.
mallywanders
Actually, it's if you DO get chicken pox the virus remains dormant in your body the rest of your life and can become reactivated as shingles
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dragonflyy69
You even say it later "unless you're an adult." Or like the OP's kid: immunosuppressed. Dude you are making yourself look bad here.
charlie2979
I'm not giving my opinion. I'm telling you and others what we do here. We literally don't have a vaccine for pox.
ThelostWorldofAtlantis
.....except for the life long scarring of skin and other organs. Cool man. Thanks for coming out.
charlie2979
Don't scratch the scabs. We don't use that vaccine in the UK. We literally just catch it and move on. As long as you're not an adult it's ok
Ghostwish
If you're lucky, like me, those scars only take a good 20 years to completely disappear. Woo?
SomeDetroitGuy
Fuck off with your science denying, anti-vaxx bullshit. It would have taken less time to Google the return than spread your lies.
charlie2979
We don't use that vaccine in the UK. Spell check.
stanleymanly21
Right after I got them...jackasses
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Yep...1994 for me. Son of a bitch.
sailingthesoutherncross
Dammit! I never got a single chicken as a kid! WTF?
nefridelle
You're lucky. Chickens are assholes.
TheLimpinBiscuit
That explains why I contracted it naturally. The vaccine came out 1 year after I did. I was 4. And somehow, I gave it to my dad. He had (1
TheLimpinBiscuit
somehow avoided it in all his 33 years.
nefridelle
That is incredible
krapmyself
Fuck antivaxxers. Fuck em twice. In the face. They put kids at risk AND imply having a dead baby is better than having one with autism.
stuckinashell
I wouldnt recommend fucking them in the face if you dont want to pick up whatever they have most definitely contracted
CKOD
Step 1: assemble anti-vax rally. Step 2: tranq guns with mixed vaccines inside. Step 3: ??? Step 4: National news.
eagleandy93
Even better, give infect them with the diseases they have brought back with their stupid views
BarbedWireCatheter
I'm not anti-vax, but I'd have a hard time forcing an autistic kid to exist. The second part might be true.
Jazmynejayy
That’s not how autism works. Autism and Down syndrome are different. You can’t detect autism before birth. It’s a developmental disorder.
Jazmynejayy
Downs is a genetic/chromosomal disorder. Please educate yourself. unless you’re willing kill your 1-2 year old then you have no choice.
BarbedWireCatheter
Oh I'm quite educated on the matter and yes, I am in fact talking about murdering a 1-2 year old. Don't take anything I say too seriously.
Jazmynejayy
I mean how can someone not? You’re literally talking about murdering someone one who doesn’t and may not ever have the mental capacity to un
smartcar
If they're really THAT worried about having kids with autism then maybe they should not have kids at all.
InsideWinner187
I really don't want to deal with kids in general, autistic or not and that's why I ain't gonna have kids
CthulhusGreasyBallsack
^ this is the right attitude, there are already enough people on this planet. yet every person I see wants 5 fucking kids.
NaughtButOne
There are plenty of people who already own big screen televisions and computers. Would you willfully forego these things because of it?
CthulhusGreasyBallsack
I don't understand your question.
Krakencrotch
I'm a simple man. I meet an antivaxxer, I go to jail later that day.
igivetheinternets
If the mother is an RN and knew the risks her daughter faced with a weakened immune system.why did she let her out in public?
leahatard
It also implies a very high level of selfishness.
zykelator
Every human is seflish and if you claim otherwise, you are full of shit.
leahatard
There are different levels of selfishness. Not caring if your personal choice kills innocents is an example of extreme selfishness.
zykelator
Theres a difference between being selfish and not about others at all
BluePaladin42
We are born selfish. We (should) learn otherwise. As adults we choose. Your statement is an excuse.
InsideWinner187
Is living in the middle of nowhere by yourself hunting for food for yourself selfish
zykelator
Almost every action you do has selfish reason behind it. Even actions that appear selfless have selfish reason behind it.
Tangus
Even by your own definition, which I could agree with on certain terms, maybe benefitting more than yourself is not being selfish?
NaughtButOne
Unpopular opinion: Having a dead baby could very well be better than having one with certain degrees of autism.
Jazmynejayy
Do you kids? Do you know what it’s like to hold them for the first time. To see their first smile. To watch the grow. Dead kid is never(1/2)
Jazmynejayy
Better than a kid with (insert illness here). I don’t want an autistic kid but I damn sure wouldn’t love him or want him alive any less.
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
https://thepeopleschemist.com/reasons-dont-vaccinate-children-vaccine-supporters-shouldnt-give/
Denis101
People like u r the Problem. Not Reading something and then Posting bullshit on a wrong conclusion. Please dont procreate u fucking Idiot!
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
Well I did procreate and I got my kid vaccinated surprisingly enough. I was going follow the link up with a point about 'this is what 1/?
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
they believe and look how flawed their rational is' but I got distracted by my son. Thank you for your well formed rebuttal though 2/3
Denis101
Well OBVIOUSLY I should have guessed that! How stupid of me
BlindyBlindMansSonnySon
calling people you disagree with 'fucking idiots' and telling them not to procreate will really get your point across, well done to you 3/3
ozjuggler
They aren't dictating their values to you, so why are you dictating to them? Is it so wrong to prefer quality over quantity?
Evococa
Found the antivaxxer
ozjuggler
You want to believe that because hate is a higher priority for you than truth, but you know nothing about me. Vaccines OK, Dictatorship not.
Aquilarden
They're dictating their values by compromising herd immunity. Their choices affect others, as in the post.
dmax12
But that is freedom. That's why we put remote kills in cars. You are dictating that your belief on the matter should be the ruling factor.
dmax12
don't put*
Aquilarden
"Vaccines work" is not a belief, it's fact. First amendment rights, for example, end where lives are threatened. This threatens lives.
dmax12
But you believe everyone should get a vaccine. That definitely qualifies as a belief.
TielKiri
That's what society is. We make societies, therefore it's perfectly acceptable to do so, no?
dmax12
We build societies with mutual understanding. But a society can be totalitarianism, so your argument doesn't support freedom or not.
dojan5
It's not anti-vaxing, it's pro-disease.
MacEochaidh
I completely agree but don't liberals argue that an abortion is better than an autistic child? The upvotes just seem fairly inconsistent
idontlikecricket
I don't think liberals have ever made that argument. All we want is free choice over abortion if its the right decision for you
Bysiyan
I haven't heard of that one before, but birth defects and low probability of the child surviving are often used on imgur, so it's similar.
INeverThoughtIdMakeThisAccount
Maybe where you're at, though I've personally never heard that argument before.
Steptomyworld
I don't really think that's a thing. Although I'd be happy to read the source you got this from!
QotU
Source?
cyrusjoneslivedforever
Sauce for thoughts on liberals? Also how would that be relevant?
wronaldweasley
Or alternatively, don't fuck them so they can't have kids and refuse to vaccinate them
krapmyself
You can't get pregnant from a good ol face fucking.
Healbot
Sadly, vermin repopulate at a higher rate that the norm in the western world. Soon they will pressure the schools to teach that the world...
Healbot
... Is flat. Anti science movements need a serious crackdown on, andre the law needs to keep up with their mental disfunctions
Ackelope
if you go for the face you shouldn't have to worry about that though.
SpikeTheGoat
There's always the dribble. May be a small chance, but by god it's a chance I'm not willing to take with those fuckers.
EisVisage
Then again, antivaxxers are basically cuntfaces. So it could still happen.
senseihugo
Thats a good one, heres your upvote.
GadenKerensky
While I can understand your sentiment, and personally view antivaxxers very dimly, Autism is a serious condition for some on the severe end.
LizzieMouse
Does that outweigh the death and or lifetime disability from contracting an avoidable disease? Because that's what anti vaxxers think
GadenKerensky
No it doesn't. But it is frightening nonetheless. It's an angle one must understand to better try and argue against their position.
Matryoshka524
While that may be true, does that still mean a dead kid is better than an autistic one?
Inimposter
I imagine if it's preventable by abortion or, even better, by treatment they avoid it as well, to be a-la naturel. Fun stuff.
GadenKerensky
What I mean is you have to understand the element that encourages a lot of antivaxxers; fear. Fear of a child with severe developmental >
GadenKerensky
issues that may never be able to function alone. Such cases have been documented, and many people would fear having to deal with that. It's>
GadenKerensky
an extremely taxing and draining experience, raising a severely autistic child, and not everyone has the fortitude to carry on. Whilst that>
GardenCastGirl
As latina I hate see parents who refused vaccines when in another countries we still suffering for don't have those vaccines always availabl
BoopBoopDEEDoop
My husband was born in PR and they had a shortage at the time. Contracted measles and nearly died. All our kids are vaccinated.
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ihatewarmpickles
Cringe AF
BeyondHereLiesNothing
You're goddamn right. I had to get my Hep A/B in my late 20s because they weren't available when I was a child. That shit sucks.
LimitDoesNotExist
My parents, they lived through a time when so many kids would die.now they say it's unbelievable that kids dying from diseases are so rare.
calenlass
My granddad lost most of his cousins to whooping cough, measles, and polio. Now he things modern medicine is almost like magic.
calenlass
There was never a question about vaccines in our family.
ikbenlike
To me, vaccines aren't magic, but the day someone mentions to me that they willingly won't vaccinate, I'll stop all contact with them
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
For one thing, you don't need that kind of stupidity in your life. For another, you can't afford the risk, especially if you have children.
JanetVanDyne
Same here! Ritavirus almost killed me as a baby. It's a miracle I'm not deformed or have any brain damage. I had a 40C fever and to lower it
JanetVanDyne
They had to seal me in a suit with ice. They made my mom sigb a contract she wouldn't sue because my lungs could explode.
TheFairyGodmothe
I believe in vaccinating. But I understand what they must be thinking - that it's unnatural. I thought that too at once.
VerifiedApproves
Don't encourage stupidity. Give them am inch and they take a mile.
OmNachoMama
Air conditioning and cars are unnatural also. So is much of the food products we consume. Funny how our minds work.
Maverickaura
Nature is cruel. Remember that when you associate unnatural with "bad"
TheFairyGodmothe
Then I turned 15 and got over my fear of being stung with a needle. The nurse said it's pretty common to think that.
InsideWinner187
I'm fine with getting needles (unless I'm watching as the stick 2in. Needle in my toe) its just the fear before, you expect it to hurt more.
TheFairyGodmothe
Most of us just choose to listen to our rational mind rather than succomb to fear.
doczaius
As a white guy, I agree, but I don't see where ethnicity enters into it at all.
SexyClaptrap
Privilege at its worst.
ctennessen
This makes it hit home even worse. I grew up woth... privileges... and I see how bad it is for people without that option, and THAN see...
ctennessen
People without fighting FOR the privileged while a lot of USA folks dismiss.... what the fuck?
ikbenlike
I'm autistic and let me tell you I'd rather stay autistic than die
ctennessen
Absolutely. If anything my comment stated was against your values please down vote me to obvivion. I'm drunk and very sad
Inimposter
Funny that this is actually the situation where you can say "check your privilege" (whatever it actually means)
LazyTheAssCat
It's a frustrating day when you say in earnest what other's say in faux belief or plain ignorance.
pinksquiggle
Same here in India. I've seen poor people line up for an hour to be told there were no more available and then ask when they could return
kojenk
people talking shit about polio like its a joke really get me going.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
I'm really grateful to be able to walk, and not need help breathing, etc.
ikbenlike
Yeah, it's stupid how people start acting when they're wealthy enough to not worry about their daily situation
LizardsInTheSky
They take it for granted is the problem "well my bff Macy and my cousin Tina didn't give their kids vaccinations and they're fine!" But in
LizardsInTheSky
other places: "Alessanrdo's little girl died last week of measles. I hope they didn't run out at the clinic again today..."
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
I think Macy's first problem is that her parents named her Macy.
HowDoIChangeMyUsername
As a Mexican, here we have mandatory vaccination.
Mashknight
As well in Colombia
RatoMolhado
Same here in Argentina, till last week a senator sent a project about optional vaccination. Luckily she received a lot of shit for this.
JanetVanDyne
Same. I love that, there was an outbreak of H1N1 and I'm allergic so bless the responsible schools.
gayrat5
I bet you have the shoulder scar to prove it. (For those who don't know, they get them all at the same time in the same place)
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Ah, I thought you were referring to smallpox.
LunaPolaris
My mom had them put my smallpox vac on my hip, so no arm scar.
TheFatDaddy
I fuckin hate that. My stepdad has it
InsideWinner187
Trump should really be nicer to you guys, this is something I would do to America
HowDoIChangeMyUsername
Thanks, I know my country has major issues, but we also have great stuff... Like universal healthcare.
InsideWinner187
Yea I hate trump
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
And mandatory vaccinations. "You want to put the public at risk? Too fucking bad!"
OmNachoMama
The vaccines are mandatory, but because of freedom of religion, we allow for exceptions based on religious or medical reasons.
RatoMolhado
I understand transfusions or transplants might be optional, but vaccines? No, man, put your believes up your ass and give me your arm.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
I hate the religious exemption. The only legitimate one should be medical.
WarDragon1984
Absolutely agree. "Oh, you didn't vaccinate because it's against your religion? Here, have 1-5 years in prison for child abuse!"
OmNachoMama
I agree.
lawideas
Maybe I'm old but... is there a vaccine for Chicken Pox? There wasn't when I was a kid. I got Chicken Pox and so did lots of my classmates.
ShamnusMcfee
lol you're super old. Varicella vaccine has been available since 1984!
Smufflan
It became a standard in many countries years later. 90's Even if it was developed.
frozenfingers
In Ireland we don't vaccinate for chicken pox...didn't realise it was so dangerous...
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
*all of my classmates :-p
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
As of 1995.
temobuttdive
There is a vaccine. I remember they wouldn't let me back in school til I had it. Didn't understand why it was such a big deal til this post
lawideas
Addendum: And when I was a kid you had to be vaccinated or they wouldn't let you attend school.
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Most states still have that requirement. The only exemptions are immunocompromised kids, and in the Bible Belt, religious beliefs.
iknowsomethings
There is a chicken pox vaccine, came out in the 90s. Very effective.
sigruun
Yup. My mom had it administered to me (it was voluntary at the time as it was new) due to chronic illness. So glad she did; pain averted.
esmarelda
I didn't get the vaccine either, don't think it became avail in US until mid 90's (I was born in mid 80's)
HighlandPotatoe
Yeah, this confused me too, I was exposed to chicken pox when I was 5 so I got it. In the UK it's the one that parents try to spread
HighlandPotatoe
Between kids in their early school years. Everything else we vaccinate for.
HighlandPotatoe
Parents still had common sense, when I was sick with it, stay home, no contact between our family and newborn cousin
HighlandPotatoe
Non of us visited till I'd been clear for a few weeks.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
i dont think they should vaccinate kids for chicken pox. i think it's good for a kid to get chicken pox, but the case @OP made makes it 1/2
CongratsYouAreHereNow
a bit of a sticky wicket 2/2
nakedaids
I do agree that kids do need to get exposed to certain viruses/illnesses to grow their immune systems but vaccines essentially do that. 1/2
nakedaids
They're not perfect I mean look at the flu vaccine, it's a hit or a miss every year. But yeah this situation is definitely a sticky wicket.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
It's not hit or miss; it's targeted to what's believed to be the most virulent strain that year. Since there are multiple flu strains,
CongratsYouAreHereNow
i didn't mean for their immune system, i think it builds character
tardis63
As someone who got chicken pox before turning 2, I don't think I'm any better for it...
nakedaids
Ohhhhhhhhhhh. Well yes. I also agree.
andachairaswell
Ill always remember thos moment. My 7 yr old daughter broke her arm and we were at fracture clinic to get her cast off. I had my 1 yr old
dragonflyy69
So sorry this happened. Hope everything was okay. Props to that nurse. Woman was definitely a fucking idiot.
andachairaswell
Everythimg was fine. Nurse did the right thing. I just get steamed about people spreading their contagious illnesses around. Like ppl in
andachairaswell
Customer service or in an office who come to work sick. Stahp!! Just dont. Keep it at home until your better. I have 50/50 custody of my
andachairaswell
Kids. And if they have gastro at their dads house right before coming back to mine, they stay at their dads until they are safe to not
andachairaswell
Spread it. And vice versa. I dont want to get sick and pass it onto others. This is how we end up with gastro outbreaks.
andachairaswell
With me. As she is getting her cast removed, a mum walks in with her daughter wgo is covered in spots. The burse stops, looks at her and say
andachairaswell
"What are those spots?" Mum: "oh nothing. She just has chicken pox". Nurse: "get out of here! There is a 1 year old in here with no immunity
andachairaswell
Dont come in here!!" This mum...just dragging her chicken pox infested kid all around a full clinic of babies, kids, elderly people...what a
GadenKerensky
Elderly people can get a more severe form of Chicken Pox called shingles... and Shingles is a horrible thing to go through.
ZOMGNO
I got Shingles at 14. The doctors found me interesting for that :/
Pheralg
you can get shingles at any age, how? you get it from chickenpox! even if you had chickenpox and recovered from it, you could get shingles 1
andachairaswell
Exactly. If you have a contagious child...leave them at home.
PirateRubberDuck
That's not how shingles works at all. I had shingles when I was 14.
andachairaswell
Fuck tard! The nurse was so savage and after doing my daughters cast, had a word to her about taking her daugher home so as not to spread it
lilchan16
I was born in 1989 abd its so weird to hear that there is a chicken pox vaccine
Feanor19
Pediatric clinic I used to use had 2 waiting areas separated by 20ft. 1 for sick/ 1 for not. Separate doors for both. Should be standard