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halfwayhere
everyone busting out their cobras in age of empires
OutOfTheHat
The problem is that people mistake religion with politics and/or their hatred of the other, even if the other is your neighbor.
iqbarif876
what;s happening in middle east is barely religious. it's colonialism and forceful land grabbing by greedy people.
Detacheddavid
Do you guys believe if it's the right time to talk about if they follow the same god?
Soggybathroomsock
If you really think this is about religion, you're dumber than Trump.
notmyrealface
If this is what Semetics are about, then yes, I am antisemetic.
pintgudge1975
Regime change in the U.S. now!
RenaissanceFaireMan
bad1080
the holy war
biggiej
Religion poisons everything.
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
Evi1Gav
Well, to be honest, they all believe in the same imaginary friend. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all Abrahamic religions. They just disagree over who told the better story about their friend.
braweasel
God isn't in the middle east. He's too busy in Africa giving AIDS to babies. Open your eyes, sheeple.
Subsound
I think god is resting after taking out Chuck Norris
SlavaUkrainisaysSteveBuscemi
OnyxTurret
Question dude really thinks religion makes 95% of the population happy? Yikes!
Swordguy
FWIW, the response to that seems to be "Bible says Go Thou and MAKE disciples of all nations". It doesn't say anything about giving them a choice in the matter; you will be made a disciple whether you like it or not.
Which, of course, is why the *actual* answer to Abrahamic forms of religion (most of the Eastern ones seem chill) is to wipe them out first, not try to "live with them", because they're planning to kill everyone, unless we all convert. They are an existential threat to humanity.
SubtleOrc
quite...
InsanityMelon
I so badly wish hitchens were still alive, the world needs his energy
OnyxTurret
We need new Hitchenses
SlavaUkrainisaysSteveBuscemi
He has many 'disciples'.
IslamExplained
Hi Muslim here, This war and all the actions leading up to it are not being carried out by Muslims out of religious zeal. One could argue that self-defense (in their eyes) is viewed as a religious duty, but no Muslim claims that the extermination of a particular ethnic or religious group offers any religious benefit. The other side, however....
SubtleOrc
"the otherside, however"...
Pretty much sums up all the religious bullshit going on.. it's not our religion, it's theirs.
IslamExplained
Just look at what all sides are claiming. What do Muslims say, what do non-Muslims say, and how do they justify it theologically? I’m not arguing here about which religion is better, but rather what the fundamental religious positions of the various parties are.
graehall
And remember, all of these assclowns are from the Abrahamic religions, which swear they're like the bestest & all about peace. What bullshit
venom181st
I love that we're stuck in a world where death cults control the biggest weapons.
Photeus
Death cult trying to bring an Eldritch monstrosity back into the world while rich and evil men increase their vise grip on the world through technology. We're in a cyberpunk/cthulu nightmare.
isthisausrname
capitalism is a death cult
ImNotActuallyEvilAfterAll
ANYTHING can be manipulated to become one is what you should mean.
DemSumBigAssRidges
Yeah, but Manifest Destiny, bro! Everyone needs to die because [insert old man] believes [insert random religion] gets to rule the world!
venom181st
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CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
ArgentXero
Iran isnt even doing this for religious reasons, they are just defending themselves.
redsmerf
Strictly speaking, they all worship the same guy.
So it's really arguing over who the imaginary friend has as their best friend
Neurisko
They disagree on if the fan fic of the original stories are canon or not.
WhyDontYouMakeMe
And then there's the Mormons as the Abrahamic religion booby prize, just being weird and regressive
InTangier
This isn't even about religion. The "religious fanatic" islamic regime has been the actual adult in the room, while the more secular Israel, which is an ethnostate built around an ideology, is the rabid dog frothing at the mouth.
The US, also supposedly a secular democracy, kickstarted this issue by giving a green light to a genocide.
This is a land grab overseen by a bunch of greedy, capitalist countries. Zionism, is as religious as a mop.
Photeus
This is a oversimplification. It's like saying if you're obsessed with Chris Hemsworth, you're a Thor worshipper.
However you are right about the imaginary friend thing and they are in a childish game of 'my god is more bigger than yours!'
TheFuckfaceWhisperer
The way I like to put it is: They're all basically reading the same book, they just can't agree on who the main character is.
JustAPileOfCats
Finnegan's Wake
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Same guy? You mean Mammon?
Colopty
Nah, some weather/war god called Yahweh.
InTangier
Ah yeah, the yahweists, those yokels who won't play nice with the rest of the pantheon.
jj999124
I get what your saying, but the root of it is still mammon/greed/wealth
Hatlled
But... it's the same imaginary friend...
ToSisPoS
Hot take : Abraham was an abusive father, slaveowner and adulterer. And he created this God in his image so that he could bamboozle a bunch of goat herders and shepherds who had some very askew pattern spotting instincts and keep them from getting trichinosis.
modus0
"When the people on one side of the imaginary friend get pissy toward the people on the other side of that imaginary friend."
duktayp
Is This the "sky cake" vs "sky pie" thing Patton Oswalt was talking bout?
Skuggen
They're doing it to get more money and power. Religion is the excuse to fire up their idiot supporters, not the actual cause.
bobgunrunnersmith
God has nothing to do with this. Only terrible people doing terrible things.
Haemaelaeinen
Religion used as a tool is a concept that is as old as religion itself. No matter how good your god is when it is us humans who are worshipping. Humans ruin everything they touch.
PalaverQuader
so god has everything to do with this. got it.
CoryBoy
On the one hand, the metaphysical "God" has nothing to do with it, you're correct. On the other hand, the human conception of "God" has everything to do with it. It's what has shaped some societies into a death cult that has no respect for land, water, people, or animals.
SubtleOrc
"god" can often turn good people into bad people
bobgunrunnersmith
No. That is like blaming a devil or demons. People create good or bad on their own. It can be one nut like David Koresh with a small following of cultists, or a large group that buy into the rhetoric of a person pandering to insecurities and false superiority.
SubtleOrc
no shit Sherlock.. but it's easily done via fear and control when it's done in the name of their "god"
SavageDrums
In the name of god.
bobgunrunnersmith
God is the excuse, usually paired with a weak mindset and no compassion for other people.
bobgunrunnersmith
Sadly.
flexstar
SubtleOrc
good lord those eyes
Pulsahr
Beautiful color, but crazy look. Scary even.
ViperMD
Completely off her fucking gourd.
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Remember, "peaceful Israel" struck first.
porphyre1e00
This time.
The mideast is one of the few situations where a "both sides" argument can be made in good faith (pun intended)
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
Every time. Iran and Israel engaged in direct conflict twice. Both times, Israel struck first. Both times, it was during negotiations.
SubtleOrc
And Hamas supported by Iran struck Israel because Israel supported by America attacks the Palestinians because Hamas attacks Israel etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
ImmaCatImmaSexyCat
And if you go back far enough, it started because Israeli colonizers perpetrated an ethnic cleansing against Palestinians. Before it was Hamas, it was others. Israel never stops taking.
porphyre1e00
"Go back far enough" ??? Brother, have you heard of the Crusades???
None of this has anything to do with WW2, Israel, or Hamas. Muslims and Jews want to murder each other because their idea of the invisible sky daddy is best.
Using names of modern groups to describe this war displays a total misunderstanding of the situation.
SubtleOrc
and while one side keeps thinking the problem is the otherside and not themselves, it will never send, and parents will keep teaching their children to hate and kill.. so you can go fuck yourself
TheLastSpaceman
If you remove the blue asshole in Middle-East, 90% of the conflicts would get resolved but sure its religion
Subsound
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bittenicht39
Yes. It‘s religion. If you remove the asshole who thinks the other assholes believe the wrong thing, they will be replaced by a different asshole believing the same.
TheLastSpaceman
No, it isn't. Religion itself never did anything. It's people who are monsters. You claim removing religion would stop, no it won't. Because the variable that makes people monsters i.e., greed for power, will still be there.
bittenicht39
Where do I talk about removal of religion? Nowhere. I am talking about removal of assholes. And every time aou remove an asshole, a new asshole replaces them and continues to fight their neighbor because of religion.
TheLastSpaceman
2. Iran was doing fine with President Mossadeqh. Then came an asshole suggesting power grab and then got a organization of assholes to do a coup to overthrow him. Then AGAIN left leaving a power vacuum. And AGAIN RELIGION HAD NOTHING DO DO WITH IT.
TheLastSpaceman
3. Just because your churches are a pedophilic cabal doesn't mean all religions are bad.
bittenicht39
What do mean "your" churches? I am in no church. There is no god. You are delusional, irritating and a liar. EOD.
TheLastSpaceman
OH, PLEASE! It's implied. If you're blaming religion, then what is the alternative? And as for your new claim, referring to Iraq/Saddam, the asshole Bush Sr. appointed him there; then during the ILLEGAL war, the asshole Jr. removed him and left a power vacuum. The massive hemrroid asshole that's Israel is also established by yet another asshole. NONE OF THIS WAS BECAUSE OF RELIGION
bittenicht39
Saddam? What the FUCK are you on about? You constantly imagine things I did neither write nor imply, and then answer to that self-invented fantasy.
Hexidimentional
the thing that gets me about this whole thing is they're doing it to acellerate the second coming of jesus christ right? the "Love thy neighbour" guy. Isnt he going to be fucking pissed when he gets here?
Photeus
Why would he be? God told them to do this! God killed people all the time. We're just brittle clay pots to him and what's the big deal if he breaks a few (million)?
This is how these folks think.
NZSheeps
A middle eastern man preaching peace? He would be bundled off to an El Salvadorian prison faster than you can say "Christ!
GaldorOfNihlem
As far as I understand the Jews don't see Jesus as the Messiah, which means jesus isn't the one to come back in the second coming. Now I'm no theologian, nor got any deep understanding in Jewish beliefs, but it's important to understand that what's happening in Israel has nothing to do with Jewish beliefs. That's politics not religion. Same as the extremism in Saudi Arabia, or Christian extremism in the US. Extremism is politics not religion.
Hexidimentional
here's the kicker, Zionists are not jews, they're almost exclusively christians.
Shoutrr
Logic and religion are two mutually exclusive things.
ugopb4me
blessedarethecheesemakers
Also, an allegedly omnipotent and all seeing deity can be tricked into doing something by us mere mortals? Really?
Hexidimentional
its like the catholics and fish for lent, you're not fooling Him guys
nnjd4zqrrq31415
Hopefully he holds them accountable,unlike the us!
CheeseB0t
Sky daddy isn't coming to save us
Semphir
Jeeeesus hitleeeer.. Adolf chriiist.. Is this the second coming? Or the fourth reich?
Tjitso
My headcannon is that the rapture already happened and nobody noticed
Felberin
I mean, both of them (Muslims and Jews) don't really recognize Jesus as main part of the canon, I think Jews generally deny Jesus was anyone important, and Muslims consider him just one of the prophets. Some Christians may think the end times is behind this, but I don't think that's the real motivation behind this, more of just trying to eliminate people you don't like in name of religion, which has deep roots at least in Abrahamic religions.
Hexidimentional
muslims actually do believe in the teachings of christ, they just dont think he was the son of god, a high order prophet at best, still the quran teaches his gospel
sowhat4
Nah, the original Jesus was dark skinned with Semitic features. ICE is gonna bounce his ass into a detention center so fast he won't have time to utter a word. So, he might be pissed but no one's gonna know about it.
dghughes
With "they" being US evangelical groups and Jewish Orthodox groups. And Iran's form of Islam plus the IRGC and Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia. The most extreme groups of each religion.
ArabianLawrence
n0gal
The funniest part is Jesus said he'd be back before the people listening to him speak died. Being generous that's a deadline of like 100AD. I'm starting to think dad's not coming home from that cigarette run in 1995, maybe in another 2000 years.
Hatlled
Might be, if he existed.
Imademyselfsquirtle
It's the Christian crusades all over again
CoryBoy
That was likely misinformation. The foundation that posted it is pretty sussy.
SirRichfield
One group of them believes that his dad is eternally pissed at the human race because of that one bitch that had to listen to the snake.
SirRichfield
I mean, look at it!
SirRichfield
But REALLY they believe that the rupture will only save them and wipe out the "others".
TheVampireDante
Be really funny if it turned out the "devout" that are taken are the ones that are getting scrapped to let the rest live in peace.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
That's just the US religious loons. Not Israel.
n0gal
*staras at gaza* dude Israeli religious terrorists have been doing this shit for literally centuries.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
For the "second coming of Jesus"?
They didn't want the first coming, why would they want the second?
n0gal
No, for power and profit. The excuse given in catered to what's "in" at the time. The religious leaders know it's all bullshit, and specifically in isreal today they are using it for genocide and colonialism. The specific fairy tale being used is unimportant.
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
... ok, but show me where "Israel is at war to bring about the second coming of christ".
That is what I'm disputing, not "whatever reason they want".
It is a patently false statement.
Hexidimentional
what's isreals plan once they have "greater isreal" but the world has become venus because they lit 40 years worth of methane gas on fire?
BipedalHumanoidWithSlightlyDifferentNoseRidge
*Israel.
Blather.
Hexidimentional
its not blather, they've literally set 40 years worth of methan gas on fire, Methane is a far more powerful greenhouse gas than co2, greenhouse gases are why the second planet from the sun is hotter than the first.
joshuasplinth
It gets worse though. This may be to test the waters militarily in case they decide to destroy the Dome of the Rock. I can’t imagine China doesn’t invade Taiwan soon, which will stretch us still farther. How could we possibly stop it? For the second coming to happen the al Aksa mosque has to be destroyed. The third temple has to be built where the other two stood. It’s been a while since I taught this, but when the Temple is rebuilt on the Mount, the moschiak will appear (messiah, sort of) 1/2
joshuasplinth
For Jews the moschiak brings peace and the start of a New Age on Earth. For Christians the messiah squares-up against the anti Christ, wins, destroys the world, and then ushers in the Judgement of mankind. I’m not sure how much the end goals match, so I’m scratching my head a little. The enemy of my enemy is my friend…
joshuasplinth
Also, my comment about the military is related to weapons stocks and military size numbers. In this fighting just three weeks in we’ve got people using-up air defense munitions and anti-drone tech like crazy. US bases are being hit, natgas and oil fields destroyed, populations stressed-out. If they were to try to destroy the mosque, they’d want to do it when the major Muslim almilitaries of the world were exerting themselves elsewhere at the moment. Just a theory, but I’m right sometimes.
Hexidimentional
they're targeting schools and hospitals, i dont think a mosque is off the table for these pricks
mineoc
Who is doing that to accelerate the second coming!?
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2026/03/03/military-officers-accused-of-framing-iran-war-biblical-mandate.html
Yikes.
Hexidimentional
We live in a crazy world
DatDarthCaedus
Large amount of high ranking Republicans are Dominionist and believe in that shit. Dominionists also lead Trump's WH faith office, form his faith-related policies, and were the ones who convinced him to move the US embassy to Jerusalem:
https://deadline.com/2023/03/5304641/">https://deadline.com/2023/03/pra">praying-">5304641/">https://deadline.com/2023/03/praying-for-armageddon-cph-dox-film-evangelical-influence-on-american-policy-director-tonje-hessen-schei-interview-1235304641/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate 1/
DatDarthCaedus
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/13/politics/hagee-jeffress-us-embassy-jerusalem
SerialChickenLover
I don’t think Jesus is coming back but I am certain that Trump is the anti-Christ. There’s just way too many boxes that he checks. Jesus ain’t coming, but the anti-Christ is here.
Hexidimentional
he fits a lot of the criteria, its like we were warned or something. Specifically the churge lauding him as a saint.
Alphee99
Since the Bible is mostly stolen stories from hundreds of individual religions over centuries, maybe some oracle had seen trump coming and the Bible just stole the story to make it population control.
BananaForScaIe
Literally mark of the beast on their *tosses table* F*CKING FOREHEADS.
BigDaddysMeatWagon
I can't help but think... What deadly sin is Trump not the most egregious representative of? He's greedy, lazy, a rapist, quick to anger, fat, always wants things he can't have like the peace prize, and he puts his name on everything.
BananaForScaIe
Lusting after the neighbours... nvm.
spetsdod
He's unlikely to actually appear, so no, he isn't going to be pissed.
awkungen42
"Unlikely"
Hexidimentional
i'm not religious either but i find it kind of odd that these people think that fufilling the prophecy of daniel is going to work out for them when the prophecy explicitly states the people who fufill it go to extra super hell
CALAMOSCOPYJANE
The human mind does _not_ like to address the obvious. Mental gymnastics are such that people always think they somehow won’t be impacted by anything negative brought about by their own actions. Whether they insulate themselves with money and buy bunkers thinking that their preparations will save them; or whether they distract themselves with excessive sex, drugs, entertainment, news & internet bs; whatever they use to give themselves feelings of power and exception; it is all lies.
spetsdod
It is the great lie of religion. Every religious person is absolutely positive that they know exactly what their god wants, and it somehow miraculously lines up exactly with their own ideals and beliefs. Every other religion is completely false, and is filled with lies and blasphemy and heathens. Adherents somehow fall into the misconception that they know the unknowable (the mind of their god), and that somehow they are the only ones that interpret it accurately.
Hexidimentional
i just dont see how they can rationalize sinning their way into heaven
bahamutepyon
The retainment of their ignorance is too critical a load bearer. Their whole world falls apart the moment they are allowed actual thought.
Drawstencil
If they were honest and rational they wouldn’t be religious.
Kaleopolitus
They don't. Religion REQUIRES conveniently ignoring observable facts. What's a few written words in the face of that?
ArchaeoEejit
"God knows I did it with good intentions and will forgive me."