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Russia's hybrid military forces attacked Ukrainian army positions in Donbas 70 times in the past 24 hours, with two Ukrainian soldiers reported as killed in action (KIA) and six as wounded in action (WIA)
In the Mariupol sector, the militants opened fire from 120mm and 82mm mortars, Zu-23-2 anti-aircraft guns, and grenade launchers of various types near the town of Krasnohorivka. The Ukrainian fortified positions near the village of Vodiane came under fire from 120mm and 82mm mortars, infantry fighting vehicles, grenade launchers, heavy machine guns, and small arms. The defenders of the village of Hnutove were shelled from 82mm mortars, infantry fighting vehicles, and heavy machine guns.
The Ukrainian Marines near the village of Pavlopil came under fire from infantry fighting vehicles, anti-tank grenade launchers, heavy machine guns, and small arms. The Marines stationed near the village of Shyrokyne were attacked with infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.
The occupiers fired heavy machine guns on Ukrainian positions near the villages of Lebedynske and Starohnativka, while the defenders of the villages of Talakivka and Novotroyitske came under fire from small arms and rifle-attached grenade launchers.
In the Donetsk sector, the Ukrainian strongholds near the village of Troyitske were attacked with 152mm artillery, Zu-23-2 anti-aircraft guns, 120mm and 82mm mortars, grenade launchers, and heavy machine guns.
Mitanhal
Remember, no russian.
sundaymondayhippyday
eatyourveggiescarl
This is still going on!? Thank you for informing +1
jellybeansRAWOFCOURSE
This is a tad dry, could use some sauce @op
MrBator
Look at OPs post history... He/she IS the source.. possibly paid.
V3n0Mu5
No one pays you to tell the truth... Keep up the good work OP
troublecliff
Oh there's a huge Ukrainian bias to OP's posts. The whole truth isn't being told, but it's not necessarily all bullshit either.
Pharya
[Citation needed]
UrsoKronsage
Hard to get citation when most media outlets aren't talking in detail about the war.
DarnKatz
But like really
MisterBrent
Underrated comment. I'm so lost in this post.
MrBator
OP post history: 40% uncited anti-russian military posts 60% photos of cheeseburgers. Interesting.
HEXADECIMAL
Looks like the EU better get off it's @$$ and start funding them or they're going to have RU as a neighbor their too.
sundaymondayhippyday
JamesInTasmania
Upvote for awareness, nothing in the news here that I saw.
Koduel
The US military is very much aware of what's going on at least. Just no public knowledge really
plubb
Maybe it's just not so important ..
ImDepGiraffeSmasher
Basically it's not on anyone's agenda so why would it be in the media?
DVSBSTrD
The news knows there's only one border Americans care about.
Dramacian
He is posting pro nationalist Ukrainian vs pro separatist Russians. Civil war, supported from both sides. They both forbid NGOs help / info.
JamesInTasmania
Wouldn't even know that war is happening, regardless of what side the poster is on.
wenoc
You must mean the natives and the terrorists.
Dramacian
I mean all are 'natives'. Conflict has origins beginning of the 20th c. WWII, crisis, then wrong president screwed up, etc.
27yoUGLYvirgin
As someone who would rather categorize himself as pro Ukraine, there is no way to verify any of these things, on either side.
Sharklaserspewpew
All I know is: War, huh, what is it good for?
27yoUGLYvirgin
Absolutely nothing!
lustser555
Putin's Tactic ; Use trump as distraction, it's very effective
nuclearboner
That. Makes. No. Sense. How is Putin doing that to distract Europe? Details please?
SalmonSushee
You misunderstood, Putin is taking advantage of that Europeans react to whatever Trump is doing with USA. So EU doesn't notice Putin as much
nuclearboner
You see this, Europe does not. Should we send a post card? What distracted Europe and Obama when Russia invaded Ukraine/ Crimea in 2014?
mibango
He is a ukro fascist propaganda account lmao check his other posts. Right sektor and asov battailon...
spacerocks
Looks like a bunch of daily life and 'update' pics. Propaganda, yourself.
mibango
lel do you even know the insignia of right sektor or asov?
SilentInSUB
Is it in the shape of Mediterranean stuffed squash?
Aceh0le87
Russian supported =/= Russian. And there was a ceasefire, which neither side followed, ain't all one sided sweetheart. They're both fucked.
CritterJoe
"Both fucked" - am I missing something? UKR forces fight to retain independence, how is this fucked?
Jatopia
Some of the combat om the frontlines from a few weeks ago of you're interested https://youtu.be/U9X_Bu5MNOw
TheEntireScottishNavy
It seems so non-chalant. It didn't even look like they had visible targets. Just shooting to be firing back.
SlinkyOnTreadmill
Looked like suppressive fire imo
nelshai
That's sorta how modern wars are fought, afaik. Very rarely do you actually see the enemy you are shooting.
likifucrieverytim
Most fire in combat in indirect.
Regithros
70 attacks with 8 casualties? What kind of attacks are these?
KoreaNorth
I love Ukraine with all my heart. I hope they pull through this
Koravel34
70 attacks with 6 casualties? Will take awhile for Russia to actually do some dmg here.
MerToo
yah, and i kinda wondered how 24hrs of fighting is "70 attacks". Are they taking 20 minute tea breaks every 3/4 of an hour?
cinemagraphguy
Where can I find more on this? Google brings up a ton of random things.
memeaubergine
This has been going on for 3 years. It's called "The war in Donbas," evidently.
sundaymondayhippyday
It's an invasion by Russian Putin-backed forces on the sovereign nation of Ukraine, literally.
iforgetchangingusername
No news on media. keep it up
Aylasita
It has started.
RingSting
And the news is still running the same pathetic stories on bullshit that just don't matter. This is fucking depressing.
sundaymondayhippyday
MerToo
waits! look! over there! some cute lesbian kittens dressed as alligators at their wedding! Squeeeeeeeeeeee!
Sionas
I mean should Russia be allowed to take Ukrainian land? Don't think so. Russia is being a real asshole about this.
lotrmith
Seems like one could draw parallels between Ukrainian Peninsula and Texas.
NotCreativeEnoughToThinkOfSomethingOriginal
It's not that simple. Are Ukrainians allowed to kill Russian nationals on their land? It's not like Russia needs any more land...
BitchButcher
You're right. Someone already called shotgun on this "Lebensraum im Osten".
whitewater0034
It was a toss up between Russia or US oil companies. Ukrainians never had a chance really.
totallyrealname
To be fair I'm pretty sure US/EU interference threw oil on the flames there. Doubt things would have escalated if they just left it alone.
acarlmac15772
Agreed but if you consider their perspective it isn't surprising. NATO has been creeping on their borders and Crimea is tactically signifcnt
Shrimp24
The US has been in the middle East for over a fucking decade!
RevanTheJedi
Ok, I've come to realise that I know dick about this whole conflict but I've heard a lot that Ukrainian forces have been bombing 1/2
RevanTheJedi
civilians in Donbass this whole time. 2/2
seamusgarx
Totally. They're pulling the americans here
duz3
Can anyone help me I am writing a paper on Crimea secession and the legality. If anyone is familiar and know International Law. Help?
Fatclaw
I mean with 2 KIA's in 70 attacks I doubt they can no matter how much they want to
RMaybeth
not my business, US is already in enough wars. These smaller wars are just the seeds for a much larger one later.
spanky82
President Trumpski agrees. You're safe unless he thinks it might boost his abysmal polling. Such a weak leader! Sad!
UnusuallyTruthful
Ukraine owes Russia lots of cash in oil. Russia's collecting, cause Ukraine can't pay. There are two Ukraine factions involved.
Jupman
We did a soft takeover of the country.
TheBigBangTheoryIsAwesome
didnt usa back neo nazis? hunter biden put in charge of ukranian oil and gas company? not going one way or other but who is fighting russia?
TheBigBangTheoryIsAwesome
never see anything on news
mibango
Your standart regime change plan. Works everytime (except for syria!)
IvanTheTesticle33
And Russia called us on it
tauntology
If they do, nobody will stop them. Economic sanctions are the only real consequence.
totallyrealname
Economic sanctions have actually boosted the internal economy and production, their only consequence is further isolating the population.
totallyrealname
Which ends up boosting support for Putin's foreign policies. Kind of backfired imo.
tauntology
Didn't it cause somewhat of a downturn? Well, that's depressing. So there is literally nothing anyone can do...
DVSBSTrD
What if I told you there was somebody who had the means and the will to help Ukraine?
totallyrealname
Yeah because the Americans getting involved totally worked out well for them.
DVSBSTrD
Somebody has never heard of Charlie Wilson.
totallyrealname
Who?
JohnnyMaverick
No one has the will, that's why we're just giving TAA support and not entering the fight like Russia.
DVSBSTrD
Canada special forces 'advisors' say otherwise. But you're half right, Hillary doesn't have the means thanks to the Electoral College.
TheBigBangTheoryIsAwesome
Podesta doesnt have the means because Hillary lost in the EC.
DVSBSTrD
Fuck the EC.
6pace
the interesting thing is they signed a pact to never enter the Ukraine, but by calling these forces rebels and not officially Russian 1/2
undungubungu
That kind of proxy-military is not secluded to Russia though. US has the SAD, which by far and large does the same job.
Beenbannedbefore2
Sad, very very sad...
ireallycantthinkofanythingoriginal
I bet Ukraine is regretting goving back all of the neuclear weapons in exchange for that pact now.
yak3ftw
Ukraine had some of the best military assets post breakup and sold them all off. Reap what you sow.
zikaBLYAT
One of the main reasons why other countries have been slow to help, if willing at all.
6pace
doing the right thing can be a bitch, fuck me right. the US should send some guys to hold the line, it's not like its the russian armyright?
DontTalkToMeOrMyWaifuEverAgain
They are being supplied by the Russians though they deny it
lykwo
You first.
6pace
If your biggest expense is your military and you're not making a presence I don't see the point. Lives lost suck, but again, money is spent
DrKriegersClone
I suppose they could give the Ukrainian government back nuclear arms, but I can't see Trump crossing Putin like that.
6pace
its like trump wants to be a cool kid so he's willing to do whatever the cooler kid says, its honestly kinda pathetic. if its all trueanyway
villlllle
All they would need in Ukraine, though, is some proper air support. With the AA the "rebels" have, Ukraine can't operate in the air.
6pace
troops, they kind of circumvent that treaty...
Justanothersubguy
So they're rebels. If they're caught they go to jail, if they die they don't get recognition or state burials right?
helgur
Except they didn't when they occupied Crimea though ...
6pace
lol that lag tho.
GrannySmithAppleBottomJeans
If the Russian "rebels" succeed, then what? Russia still can't enter. What's their end game?
JoeYoHoe
Save Russian civilians from the east of Ukraine.
Erronius
Russian-aligned buffer states, created by force, since the West insists on aggressive NATO expansion.
zikaBLYAT
Yes, because Montenegro is such a threat to Putin.
SniggleJake
And here is how you counter their circumventing. A country steps up to help Ukraine take care of these 'rebels'. (1)
SniggleJake
Then Russia ends up trapped in their bullshit.
sundaymondayhippyday
VielSpass
Bad guys shoot down innocent commercial airliners with missiles from Russia. Cannot be more clear than that.
90sWereGold
Best video I found at the time shows the separatist claiming they thought it was enemy fighter jet. The airliner shouldn't of been there.
sundaymondayhippyday
Unless you ask the Russian government, cUse they think they didn't!
735824
Fuck Putin and his American puppet.
sundaymondayhippyday
NormlCouple
President Trump said Russia won't go into Ukraine. Wonder what happened to that?
MerToo
I was really hoping Trump's idiocy would be harmless because he would be surrounded by non-idiots, but...he isn't...
bohemiancrabcity
Not a Trump fan but you clearly don't understand the situation if you don't understand what he was saying. Russia isn't "officially" there.
Jupman
The deal was already done, it's why we are in Syria.
jonsmithorig
I believe the "Rebels" will try to create some time of non-declared autonomous region from Ukraine, eventually being "claimed" by Russia.
Mondrov
A-They already have and B-No, the Donets people's republic isn't joining the Russian federation.
sundaymondayhippyday
Gettingmygrade10
The new call of duty has sweet graphics. But who wants to play as Ukraine
ItsFantasyy
What's going on?
sundaymondayhippyday
It's an invasion by Russian Putin-backed forces on the sovereign nation of Ukraine, literally.
90sWereGold
Not literally. More of a civil war for more autonomy. Most are Ukrainian who feel they are fighting fascism.
aquamenti
"Russian hybrid military forces" sounds like a setting for a horror movie.
pachyderm
who are the good guys? who are the bad guys?
MultiplePersonalitiesProfile
'Murica is always the bad guy.
IvanTheTesticle33
Neither of them really
WertQ
idk, sitting here in Donetsk, aka newly formed DPR, sucks. no jobs, high prices and city's swarming with armed russian grunts. Russia's bad.
frieddawk
The one whos in charge doneck are just bandits, the UK side doesnt give a fuck and gonna kill everyone there, the russki also like UK. So1/2
frieddawk
Everyone there are bad guys killibg civilians 2/2
destinoz
Russia. Not only is invading a country bad, but they signed the Budapest Memorandum promising not to in exchange for nuclear weapons.
Keydan
Memorandum is not a binding legal thing. It's a memo. Memo is in it's name. Is a polite way for a country to say "i'll think about it".
Yavin1v
a lot of bad guys on every side, and there arent just 2 sides to this as you might assume
Ssssssssssss
Russia and the EU, the former for the attacking and the latter for doing nothing to cage Russian aggression.
thisisveryunique
More like NATO trying to get influence over Ukraine and Russia trying to prevent that.
eggmuffin
The EU is an economic partnership, not a military alliance.
thisisveryunique
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU-Battlegroup
eggmuffin
You don't know what the word "alliance" means. The EU battlegroup is merely a shared military force.
thisisveryunique
Being member or associate of EU includes military cooperation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Foreign_and_Security_Policy#Objectives
ObamasBigBlackCaucus
From my point of view the Jedi are evil
tomitau
Essentially, Russia attacked Ukraine under usual excuses. IMO, they wanted to punish Ukraine for getting closer to the "West" (whatever 1/
tomitau
west means today lol ), even going as far as *gasp* Ukraine one day joining to EU. However, I think it is interesting to point out 2/
tomitau
long-term catastrophe for Russia. Namely, in the middle of the 1990's, USA and Russia guaranteed territorial integrity and economic help 3/
tomitau
to Ukraine if they get rid of their, at the time, 3rd nuclear arsenal in the world. Ukraine did that. Consequence? No country can not 4/
tomitau
trust Russia to uphold any agreement. If you want to be sure that Russia will behave as they signed, you have to go to Beijing, and ask 5/
mibango
Fascist ukraine wants to supressn russian majority in east ukraine so they lean up and want autonomy
Stardustvomit
Full of shit you are.
LavaAxe
Imperialist Russians want to destabilize the world and their neighboring countries so everybody is as miserable as Russia.
spacerocks
Yeah SoCal's getting towards 50% Hispanic. I have the feeling you wouldn't consider it "right" if they decide to up and join Mexico.
notme222
I think if you polled the rest of the country on California joining Mexico you'd be surprised at the amount of support. :)
slapmychipsup
Yeah let's lose a shit load of our countries gdp because some retards don't like cali
danishjuggler21
Speak for yourself.
spacerocks
*Lack of support. They're not *that* stupid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_Gross_State_Product_(GSP)
Kronborg
Depends on what you consider good. After all, the majority of Eastern Ukraine is Russian, and the loss of the port of Sevastopol would be1/?
Kronborg
a huge loss for Russia. It would basically mean the end of Russian naval influence. Also, having Ukraine in NATO would allow NATO troops 2/?
Kronborg
to be stationed right on the border of Russia. Also, the lawfully elected President basically forced out by rioters in the 3/?
Kronborg
Orange Revolution in favour of a pro EU oligarch named Poroshenko (I believe Poroshenko was elected after Yanukovych fled though). 4/?
Kronborg
After that Poroshenko basically refused to recognize any legitimacy of the rebels in Donbass. Knowing all this, you could say that Russia5/?
jetflight
This might be the most black-and-white armed conflict in the world right now, with a clear black (Russia) and a near-clear white (Ukraine).
Noraneko
I miss words on telling how "white" Ukraine is...
xtallyx
Not so black and white. There is a larger geopolitical situation at play here.
Scientificevidence
Look up population density maps for the 'border' areas & previous voting behavior in Ukraine. It's far from black and white, unfortunately.
DontHateMePlease
Are you able to explain further? I don't know much about the conflict. Is it because the specific area has Russian roots?
Scientificevidence
ComicallyLongUsername
These areas, including Crimea, are historically part of Russia, transferred to Ukraine during the 1950's for administrative reasons 1/2
ComicallyLongUsername
Wasn't previously an issue but Ukraine's cosiness with the EU means a hard border with Russia is mandatory, so it's fucking w/ Russia's 2/3
ThisIsFrigglish
Nobody, really. It's an ethnic people's republic breaking from Euro allies towards Russia, so the answer depends on how you feel about the
ElSchopenhauer
Well there is no people's republic, there's russia invading the ukraine and using usual excuses
jetflight
Umm, no. The whole thing is Putin's private project. These "republics" only exist because the area is occupied by the Russian army.
Fumoufu
People breaking treaties
0utlander43
That has covertly been fed and let my Russian citizens posing as Ukrainians and Russian military personnel
scrim4
Yeah no Putinbot. The nation that very much invaded and annexed Crimea is about as bad as bad guys get.
LankyFrog
Washingtonbot so quick to judge about other nations invasions.
ThisIsFrigglish
sovereign power of the Ukraine government, the value of ethnic nationalism in ethnic majority states, Russian power projection in Eastern
ThisIsFrigglish
Europe, and other complicated geopolitical questions. It's not unlike the situation with the Sudetenland in 1938.
totallyrealname
Pretty spot on, but this kind of thinking is not conducive to a world that has to fit into 140 characters.
eion85
And what happened almost exactly a year after the annexation of the Sudetenland?
Bugleisthebomb
Not sure why you're being down voted, I think your comment adds thoughtfully to the discussion. Hmmm
scrim4
It's because it's blatant propaganda. Claiming it's a civil war initiated by Ukrainian citizens is a ridiculous Kremlin narrative.
ThisIsFrigglish
Because the prevailing zeitgeist is that Putin is a threat to global stability so the media casts it as a Kremlin land grab, rather than
Peregrine2976
But... but that won't fit a simple black-and-white narrative!
AgolfHiller
It's exactly that though. His argument is " WELL THE US DOES IT TOO!" And bases his points from a Kremlin based standpoint
sundaymondayhippyday
Well since the Russian army is taking Ukrainian land? I'd say the defence of your borders is fine and the taking of your land is not
Noraneko
Is killing ans bombing your own people nice too?
2flower
It's a bit more f'd up than this. Neither party is innocent. From one side you have criminal stupidity, on the other - inhumane exploitation
sundaymondayhippyday
Russia keeps saying it's not them it's Ethnic Russians, they said that recently when they tanked into Georgia! Same lines! Same action!
WardSharlow
Liars lie sometimes.
sundaymondayhippyday
And they're worried about the safety of ethnic Russians! Same Words. Same invasion of a sovereign nation!
v
sundaymondayhippyday
Keydan
Georgia attacked first. It wasn't about Russians there. Read EU reports.
khazaria
It must be weird to explain to someone's family that their Russian military son died in a war that Russia isn't in.
sundaymondayhippyday
90sWereGold
There was a good Vice documentary on this very issue. Frustrating but they know they can't do anything about it
unsergic
So I have to beleve OP's message without any proof?
perebiy
What proof do you need? OSCE data, photo of dead marines?
unsergic
Exactly that kind of proof.
Bystandr
What part concerns you the most? That paramilitary forces augmented by Russian nationals have taken over parts of the Ukraine? That
Bystandr
shelling and attacks happen? That this chain of incidents itself is blown out of proportion? What exactly are you seeking proof of?
OBM1
Is the Ukraine officially at war with Russia? I can't find anything to support that. Has there been a declaration?
Rustycaddy
Ukraine hasn't officially declared war because they're not Russian troops, also these Ukrainian rebels are backed by Russia.
OBM1
And yes, there should be more about this in the news....
sundaymondayhippyday
No, Russia sneaks into Ukrainian territory, Claims it is rebels and denies its their army despite all evidence 2 the contrary. Sneaky shite
OBM1
Why the fuck is this being downvoted? And yes I agree... Id like to see evidence to the contrary, down vote fairies...
Rustycaddy
@aaavril is know for spewing biased North Korean type Propaganda, he never shows the bad side of the Ukrainian army, such as the shelling..
OBM1
sorry, you're saying this is propaganda?
Rustycaddy
Also a Neo Nazi group is apart of the Ukrainian National Guard, which is very concerning, they're group is called "AZOV", uses swastiks etc.
OBM1
I dont see how that is relevant. Not great obviously, but doesnt mean you should be invaded or subverted by another country.
Rustycaddy
The U.S did Subvert the power of the Ukrainian government by replacing them with Nationalists and funding a false flag color revolution.
Rustycaddy
Oleh is the leader of popular party known as Svoboda (Nationalist Party), he hates Jews and Russians & gained massive support during crisis
Rustycaddy
http://www.unzcloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/mccain-tyagnibok-fascist.jpg John McCain was sent in to meet Oleh Tyahnybok.
InfraredSnapper
NATO is creeping towards Russian borders, they need a buffer zone, they take over parts of Ukraine, mostly parts where Russians live. It's >
totallyrealname
The best part is it directly contradicts their previous promises of not expanding further East. But it looks like that's been forgotten now.
InfraredSnapper
illegal and unfair (although which country got its territory by being "fair") but the West is not blameless in this.
circlebreaker
*NATO influence on policy of Eastern European nations; specifically in regards to Russia political strategies (alliance w/ Syria et. al.)
perebiy
bullshit
InfraredSnapper
I'm not saying they're right to do it, just why they felt it was in their best interest and NATO wasn't helping with its expansion east.
zikaBLYAT
Eh, not entirely. They FEEL the need for a buffer zone, which their military policy has relied on (successfully) for centuries.
zikaBLYAT
That policy being "trade space for time". Worked in WW2.
cleverbeans
If California decided to ally with Russia and allow them to full military access would you expect the US government to do nothing?
TheFoxCouncil
California isn't a sovereign nation. But I wouldn't expect the US to invade Canada if they allowed Russia access.
cleverbeans
You should. See the Cuban Missile Crisis for a recent example.
zikaBLYAT
Creeping? Norway is *on* the border. Explain that.
totallyrealname
Funny story, Norway is not actually a member state of the EU. They are part of the EEA and their ties are economic, not political.
InfraredSnapper
It's not the kind of border that can support a big military offensive. The Baltic states are more of a threat but Ukraine in NATO would be >
InfraredSnapper
much more dangerous for Russia. NATO had given assurances to Russia that it would not expand further east, then did anyway.
zikaBLYAT
Got a source for that?
abacab87
yea, but the only reason those countries on the border want to join is because of Russia.
InfraredSnapper
What makes you say that? Most NATO countries don't share a border with Russia and quite a few joined after the end of the Cold War. And >
InfraredSnapper
every country has reasons for their policies. Russia's neighbors want collective security, Russia wants buffer zone. None of them are >
InfraredSnapper
wrong, they're just looking out for their interests. And when it comes to legally dubious invasions, Russia is hardly the worst culprit.
Schex44
70 attacks and 2 casualties? I just became much less concerned about any potential war with Russia
Tillomaticus
Maybe Russia is more interested in a status quo instead of actually winning?
totallyrealname
Could just be shooting the air in shifts so they can't get any sleep, then make mistakes and lose position. War isn't about the kill-count.
GloriousWires
"Attack" can mean anything from a close assault with air support to a couple bursts and bombs to say "fuck you we're still here idi nahui".
GloriousWires
Combat is actually remarkably 'safe', considering. You can blow the shit out of a place without nearly as many deaths as you'd expect.
GloriousWires
Incidentally: 'casualty' =/= 'killed'.
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GloriousWires
Yeah, 'casualty' basically means someone who doesn't 'count' for his organisation. Wounded, sick, dead, captured, missing etc.
EmberFiretail
A single 152MM artillery round has a kill radius of over 20 feet, casualties at over 100. So Russia is dropping the ball.
yak3ftw
That's what happens when you shell without a spotter to adjust fire.
EmberFiretail
That's not been required in over a decade, a good grid reference via laser will get first round hit. It seems Russians are doing area 1/2
yak3ftw
2/2 You can even see it done by rebels in some of the earlier videos of this war on live leak. They're still using old 82 and 120mm mortars
EmberFiretail
Denial, semi constant firing along their lines keeps the Ukrainian forces stuck, likely to allow air to ground fire I'd things go 2/3
EmberFiretail
*if things officially go hot, clustered and stuck forces are easy pretty for combat ground attack aircraft.
EmberFiretail
*easy prey (fucking auto correct)
yak3ftw
Spotting is still used and taught by every military in the world. I'm not sure where you're getting this information. 1/2
EmberFiretail
Adjustment of fire is not used very much anymore, the modern M777 howtizers can hit targets the size of a car, spotting and lasing 1/2
EmberFiretail
then creating a grid reference is how it's done now, rarely if ever is a adjustment of fire required, hell satellites can guide artillery.
yak3ftw
Are as old as the men using them* fuck this twitter tier 140 character limit.
yak3ftw
I'm aware.Its still commonly used for mortars, especially in the case of Ukraine, where the mortars and shells are as old as them using them
SaltyInternetPirate
If we're gonna call every Russia-backed soldiers "Russian hybrid", then we should call Al Quaeda in Syria an American Hybrid. It's only true
Scientificevidence
Calling it Al Qaida is like calling the Ukrainian government fascists. Not baseless, but more false then true and very misleading.
sundaymondayhippyday
They are defending their own country so how does that make them fascists?
Scientificevidence
Defending their own country does not make then *not* fascists, but again: Not baseless, but more false then true and very misleading.
sundaymondayhippyday
please provide your audience with your definition of Fascism
Scientificevidence
The question you have is 'why are accusations of fascism against the current Ukrainian regime not entirely baseless', right? (see replies)
Aceh0le87
Spot on. The amount of spin this gets from the west is fuckin ridiculous. It ain't all roses. But the higher than thou BS we spit sickens me
bedsound
That'd be true if America gave al-Qaeda tanks, AFVs and other heavy weapons, as well as if their soldiers were heavily American in origin
SaltyInternetPirate
That's what General Petraeus suggested on record that they do. They settled for just funding, arming and training them.
bedsound
So a measured approach that lets them do all the fighting and minimizes American exposure? If that's what Russia did Ukraine would've won
SovietOnion
That's what Russia IS doing. Ukraine is just putting up stiffer resistance than expected.
bedsound
There are anywhere from hundreds to thousands of Russian soldiers in eastern Ukraine right now. That's not letting them fight.