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Aug 18, 2017 3:36 AM
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stephenHawkingSchoolOfDance
I eat meat, but not eating meat is basically good for the environment. I think people just want to think what they're already doing is fine
elb98rm
Oh look. It's this manipulative, easily disprovable post again.
GuciGucci
What if they did care about all of those things tho....
UraniusCrack
someone was triggered
al640814
Road House...
Daeyelle
Why say anything about soy? Many vegans don't even eat it. But why pass up that perfect opportunity to basically 'bacon lol' at a vegan?
HikariShade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zft2gp39W0
therealVexed
imagine if you could care about fucking both
AuntieAndUncleInBelAir
I miss the rains down in Africa
ShowMeYourButtonhole
*bless
doedfisk
Is it weird that I'm not really buying those things either? Except sugar and chocolate, I guess, although I try to limit myself.
Urgalicity
I tried a mostly plant diet for a bit, felt great. I was also eating solely raw veggies most of the time cause it's hard to get anything...
CallMeMatrix
Zenzui
https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/how-cattle-ranching-chewing-amazon-rainforest-20090129/
BestUsernameICouldThinkOf
http://imgur.com/DfsusxU
Zenzui
https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/how-cattle-ranching-chewing-amazon-rainforest-20090129/
ButtblasterMcAssmaster
I like meat, but if you're going to bring ecology into an argument with a vegan you've already lost. That poster is an idiot.
AustraliaTellsItHowItIs
Depends what meat you eat. Low density grass pasture is ecologically better than a monoculture of vegetable crop. However grain fed beef 1/2
AustraliaTellsItHowItIs
and other grain fed meats is ecologically retarded. I'm a meat eater and frankly, we need to do better ethically and ecologically speaking.
legalisegaymarijuana
There's just not enough space for 7bil to have 'ecological' (debatable) beef on the planet.
KobeBurger
Corporate death squads?
SederHishtalshelus
I feel like most facts nowadays are.. very watered down. But what do I know. My facts come from the same place as that guy. I guess we just
SederHishtalshelus
have to be there when it happens to truly know the truth these days.
IamMadeOfShamrocks
Yes, let's have another go at the vegans. They're really the source of the world's problems after all.
BDD85
Found the vegan!
MateriaCaelestis
This isn't even really a go at the vegan, it's an exposition of the uninformed idiot who replied
Darthwaffler
I thought it was the millennials?
Zenzui
Millennial vegans.
irlborat
I thought it was nazis
IamMadeOfShamrocks
Millennial vegan nazis.
PierzOr
Millennial Nazi Vegans*
IamMadeOfShamrocks
Vegan Millennial Nazis
Agrobastacar
That's one of them there false dichotomies
PastaPriest
I have to down vote this every time it gets reposted because there is no evidence to support the claim of "corporate death squads."
mechanicalhemiola
that whole middle paragraph of his lame 'roast' doesn't even conflict with what they initially said.. tbh nothing does. it's super dumb.
mechanicalhemiola
if speaking, the first person could've interrupted after the second paragraph, were it true, with just "Yes, duh."
Slamtastik
I looked it up, What i found: They are mercenaries hired by illegal logging companies and shit like that that kill tribals over land.
NinjaCongo
Right there: http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Colombian-Victims-Take-on-Chiquita-for-Funding-Death-Squads--20161201-0019.html
BayazTheBenevolent
That's because you probably misunderstand. They are not corporate killers, but mercenaries like the FARC that are hired to kill tribesmen.
BayazTheBenevolent
Those groups are already in the area waging their own wars and very much welcome the additional funding for comparatively easy work.
BayazTheBenevolent
For example, around 2010 Chiquita was on trial for hiring FARC fighters to kill off Colombians disturbing the banana trade.
BayazTheBenevolent
Since the victims had no standing in a US court (how could they) the case was dismissed in favor of Chiquita.
BayazTheBenevolent
https://thinkprogress.org/how-chiquita-bananas-undermined-the-global-war-on-terror-8b4642268ac3/
LMeire
Devil's Advocate, if I had the resources to hire a death squad, I'd also have the resources to destroy evidence of death squad involvement.
elb98rm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Stang
elb98rm
(a famous example amongst thousands of nameless/not famous ones)
bearybear
this is stupid
asmallcat
Oh right, the classic "if you can't fix 100% of a problem, don't bother trying to fix any of it" argument. I know I'll get downvoted (1/2)
asmallcat
for this, but holy shit is the vegan hate train old. I see 100x more "lol vegans" posts than ever hear an actual vegan say anything, (2/3)
asmallcat
And yeah, factory meat farming is fucking garbage for the environment so why are we making fun of people trying to reduce it? Jesus. (3/3)
edward8767
They make fun because they literally know vegans are on the right side of history. They know they're I'm the wrong so they belittle vegans
fragtore
The view of the replier is also horrible. Yeah lets do nothing plus taunt the few who do something.
AnonKneeMoose
Yes, because correcting someone is a "taunt"
edward8767
He didn't correct anyone, he merely used flawed logic to advocate being a part of a massive problem as opposed to limiting your impact
AnonKneeMoose
It's not flawed logic. Someone was taking the high road for something, but that view itself was askew and called out as such. 1/2
AnonKneeMoose
2/2 That same logic is like saying by not using plastic i'm saving the Great Barrier Reef but I also use coal power that dumps waste into it
fvckyes
As someone who recently visited the rainforest, buying sugar/coffee/chocolate actually helps the tribes that live there and harvest it.
Skulties1
Someone sounds guilty
BobRossHB
To think we could be growing hemp in the US, it makes feed, grows like a weed, makes archival quality paper and doesn't need bleaching...
BobRossHB
... fiber for cloth, oils for skin balms, food stuffs ppl can eat, and more. It's like it's perfect if only outdated laws n lumber industry>
BobRossHB
Were not prevent ing it. Ps the anti marajuan laws were founded in racist roots, and was once a common safe medicinal vs opioid derivatives.
LupusIgnis
As someone who lives in a civilized country: does anyone actually use rainforest wood for paper?
HolyOldMackinaw
More paper is being produced in the S. hemisphere, due to lower demand for paper killing paper mills in the USA over the last couple years
Lookmanobrain
It's not that they actually slle the timber. Maybe for fuel... They need more land to have crops. Mostly soy for cattlefeed.
LupusIgnis
Yet I constantly hear the paper argument. Is it just ignorance?
kuriosly
Yep. Like the Soy argument to some degree. The US grows its own, though countries w/o land have issues growing it.
LakeLaogai
This kind of reasoning is idiotic. "Oh, you feed the homeless because you care, huh? Well, if you REALLY care, you'd offer them a job, and..
Mgunh1
No, it's more like; Oh you care about the homeless? Then what are you doing to help? Nothing? Great -.- Veganism doesn't help the enviroment
MustardDuck
Yes, how dare you care about something if you dont dedicate your whole life to it!
eroso
Yeah. There are other options than all-in.
imnotinprisonhidingaphoneinmybutt
MealeaYing
Well put!
Airhats
Yet it's up voted enough to reach the front page because vegan bashing is fun and socially acceptable
Darkaren
Not really, is the vegan the one sayin "i'm a saint" and the guy being like "Your point is wrong"
donutjudgeme
Maybe but the original post is so annoying.
Mercenarity
It's like "donating to the animal shelter, huh? What have you done for the homeless lately? Got you there." So obnoxious.
MealeaYing
Yep.
therealpoodleofdeath
With the difference that nobody claims they're a better human being for donating to the animal shelter instead of feeding the homeless.
moneypulator
You know about this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90mFGwYJ0s8
LakeLaogai
... pay their medical bills,find them a place to live. Since you only do ONE thing to help, instead of everything, you're just pretentious."
Tunaccat
It's an appeal to futility fallacy.
Whataremelon
What does eating veggies have to do with rainforests tho
LakeLaogai
Simplified: Meat production = a lot of amazon deforestation because of cattle farming. So it's more about not eating animal products =)
Whataremelon
Yea but theyre gonna farm the cattle whether you eat it or not
legalisegaymarijuana
Supply and demand. We buy more cows, they make more cows, we buy lentils instead, more lentils and less cows get made. Econ 101
LakeLaogai
Well, no. Cattle farming is huge because we eat a lot of meat. If consumers stop buying something, production eventually decreases. =)
MealeaYing
Empyrean0-Sea is an idiot for assuming that because someone is a vegan (or whatwever) they aren't aware of all the problems in the Amazon.
Penetrecia
And you're an idiot for assuming that what you see in this post is the entirety of the conversation between the these two on Tumblr.
MealeaYing
Not having access to the rest of it I sort of have to take it at face value, but I suppose you have a point, I dont have all the context.
MealeaYing
(2) Perhaps if you supply the rest of it we would know more about what's going on.
thisisagoldfish
I still eat meat but doesn't cattle farming make up the majority of amazon deforestation?
Davidnfilms
I only eat texas beef, and we already deforested texas long ago.
ff36
Yes of course, but it's more fun to argue than to acknowledge facts
Nysarius
yes
ichaa
Yes, but short: Soy price goes up -> ranchers sell land to soy farmers -> deforest new land for new ranches. Soy is also a driver.
fueledbypotatoandsarcasm
And clearing the land to grow soy to feed cattle.
handbanana13
No it's Puppies. Puppies are destroying the rainforests. One trillion acres a minute. At this rate the earth will explode by noon today.
vikingpatrick
Did a presentation on this for environmental studies class. And the simple answer is yes.
kuriosly
In the US though soy and other grains are produced locally. It's one of the few things the US actually exports
ableck
All hail our Monsanto overlords!
IMayHaveTimeForThat
Who are apparently killing everyone with roundup
IMayHaveTimeForThat
Just to add insult to injury i suppose
Deadmanwalkn
When you say apparently, do you say it in jest b/c there are so many ppl that believe it true, or is there some new study I'm unaware of?
ACADEMIAexe
Not all cattle are fed soy grown in the amazon. But it will be harder to find such beef and possibly more expensive.
TheBlueMuppet
Dont be silly, cows dont live in trees.
SBSP129
Ha
eggmuffin
① It does indeed. And paper is generally not made from rain forest woods, but from plantations of evergreens.
eggmuffin
② Of the 10% old-growth logging that goes to make paper world-wide, I can't imagine a significant portion of it is Amazonian.
Deadmanwalkn
Nah ya you right, most of the amazonian deforestation is to make room for agriculture. Slash and burn has higher profits than sustainable 1/
Deadmanwalkn
Agriculture. 2/2
NinjaCongo
Also, I really don't get that last comment about the indigenous people. Like how is not eating meat opposed to caring about genocide?
Lillae
[s] Mostly because the vegan didn't specifically mention it, so obviously they're just saying they like the rainforest because they don't -
Lillae
- know that there's much more going on in the rainforest than just the soy deforestation. [/s]
Lillae
Hell, the silly vegan may even just think that cows = global warming = no rainforest! What an ignorant vegan. /s again.
BlackPengu
People often don't seem to make that connection between met and agriculture. I mean there is a reason meat is so cheap and it's this
stinkingyeti
Australian here, we have so much beef we have to export it.
WhotheFuckAretheArcticMonkeyss
Yes, you're right. Soy used all around the world for cattle feeding is largely grown in Amazonia and is the main cause of deforestation
kuriosly
Except the US is also an exporter of soy. 3rd largest in the world.
LostCatWantedDeadAndAlive
DAMN YOU WONDER WOMAN!
GAngeldb
Soy is also in most processed foods and accounts for most of deforestation. Regardless if it is used to cattle. That is why i went back.
UltimaN3rd
70% of soy is fed to animals. "Going back" to eating animals doesn't make sense.
MajorLeagueFister
Humanity is not going to stop eating meat. It makes more sense to me find a sustainable solution than to pursue a pipe dream
UltimaN3rd
The most sustainable solution is to eat plants.
reinsma
Isn't corn mainly the cattle food? I'm a Canadian farmer and we don't import grain from the Amazon. But we also have a much smaller populati
dragosteakae
At all the farms I've been to in the US on the eastern side, yeah, corn is the main cow food.
QuiteADapperAsshole
Probably more common cattle food in the US because we make so so so much corn.
foman13
My dad owns a feed mill in central Texas all of our grain comes from within a 200 mile radius. Why pay the extra shipping cost?
LlamaLingo
It does but how could the truth be turned into hatibg vegetarians and vegans?
mangostar
Buy local produce folks
nattfilm
Local grass fed is the shit. Expensive but so worth it if one can afford it.
AveryBullock
But if your in the states you're not getting you meat from south America
cyrilzeta
Not since the US banned Brazilian beef imports several months ago...
Kreia
But much of what the cattle in the states are eating comes from farms in south america.
kuriosly
Yep. What the other guy said. The us is a major grains exporter, so much so the US government buys the excess and destroys it.
keystotheairlock
Well that's just simply not untrue.
WhotheFuckAretheArcticMonkeyss
No, but Amazonian soy is the basis of katle feeding all around the world (I eat meat too)
xlr82xs
Not in Australia or Japan.
kuriosly
Not in the US though. US is a soy exporter as well.
CongratsYouAreHereNow
I eat local, organic, grass fed beef, bison, and venison
CongratsYouAreHereNow
Although I do feel a little weird about eating fish, even though I love it I feel like most fisheries are fucked
monsterhunter4lyfe
Catch your own, it's easy peasy. Just hock a loogie in the water and grab the biggest one that goes for it.
Deadmanwalkn
In the US, easily the majority of feed for cattle is corn
Andalite
They'll use the wood for lumber and the soil for cfios before it'll be used for livestock. Doubt not eating meat will fix that.
Ipoopwhenilaugh
Doesn't consumer behavior drive market value and production?
Andalite
Sure. And we tend to use a hell of a lot of wood
BendyDicksCumOnMyBaps
91% of deforestation to be exact.. and agriculture makes up 51% of greenhouse gases.. watch the documentary Cowspiracy.. amazing documentry
BendyDicksCumOnMyBaps
WHO tf is downvoting facts?
edward8767
Meat eaters in denial
BendyDicksCumOnMyBaps
Always the case.
HowToBeSuccessfulAsaSerialKiller
I always heard illegal logging and farming
thisisagoldfish
Logging I bet is a large part. But doesn't farming = cattle? Idk I watch too many documentaries
HowToBeSuccessfulAsaSerialKiller
The word you're looking for its ranching.
EnderMoth
Most likely: logging > crops > livestock. Rainforest soil is low in nutrients so demand for fresh cropping areas is constant.
YouWillNotLikeThis
I think it's: palm oil>soy>logging. Borneo lost 90% it's rain forrest to palm oil
EnderMoth
Yeah I remember the RR issue on palm oil, but areas have to be either slash/burned or logged to make space for crops
Kitsune9Tail
This was my understanding. Logging, then crops, then livestock. Lots of slash and burn agriculture.
hotterpop
Livestock require much more space than any other agriculture, beef especially, so ranching is always first on the list.