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IhopeUgetwhatUvoted4
Canada is in NATO it cannot be neutral.
phoenixflare9
This is true with the belief that the US would just stop at Greenland. we won't. If it comes to this then the very next thing that will happen is the US bombing oil lines going to europe, destroying ports and shipping. with the message if you dont trade with us then you will trade with no one. Our governent has gone to shit and when they do this I will not be surprised
HeAmbledVaguelyEastwards
There's also what comes after that: A shift in the world's reserve currency from the dollar to a mix of the Euro and the BRICS Unit - and the BRICS nations now control half of the world's gold, so they can back up the Unit pretty solidly. BRICS are the US' economic rivals, and the Eurozone (although they're more cooperative than BRICS) has a high overlap with NATO - whom the USA will just have angered by invading Greenland. That would end the USA as an economic great power. Unlike Canada.
Dyamonde
Also the U.S. has shown they'll disguise military bombers as civilian aircraft, so EVERY american plane will be deemed hostile.
CedricDur
They managed to sell Brexit to the brittish. They managed to sell (and sanewash) Trump to the american. They will sell the war.
And there will be buyers.
RooGryphon
this is what i want to see. this is the response i want if that orange fascist actually attempts it. followed immediately by a supersonic missile attack on DC and other critical infrastructure
FatAliGuitar
Malcolm Nance
American intelligence officer, Terrorism expert, and former US Navy SERE instructor
https://substack.com/@malcolmnance/p-148235200
DYLANLEE79
I wonder what the response will be, because it is not just the potential war coming. Europe could start blocking American companies from doing business here and slowly selling off US debt.
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Australian here... I guaran-fucking-tee you we'd spilt.
thelastboomer
There is 1 purpose to this talk and saber rattling of taking Greenland, it’s directions from Putin to Trump to make NATO look weak and divided.
Flamingphoenix32
Fyi this is history's 4th turning according to the theory that history has cycles. About every 80 years there is a massive war that involves America- guess when the last massive war was? WW2. The unfortunate truth is that the economy is going to collapse and we will go to war with somebody. In order to have peace and allow the country to rebuild from the republican trash heap that it is, it is an inevitable fact that we will see a war before the hospice escapee is forced to leave office.
Sixsystems
Hanlons razor
rmx256
Perfect
DocNitro
Also, France's doctrine demands a WARNING shot with nuclear weapons already. Meaning, have fun having a nuke go up 50 nautical miles off the coast of Mar-al-Pedo.
YoureWaifuAShit
jetact12
I believe the point of this Russian asset was to ruin the US of A. How's he doin?
SlaaneshiRightsFront
It is WILD to even put forward the idea, the concept of the idea that if America invades a NATO member, soldiers stationed in NATO military bases would be sent home. They'd be taken into custody as prisoners of war on the same day, and they wouldn't be going home until it's over, there is no world in which the US picks a fight with NATO and they just send you more troops to use in that fight.
On the upside, they'd probably be better taken care of than like 98% of the US population in that time.
ZackWester
yes and no. I mean as a serio thing we will do yes I agree No. but as cadets in the army school that need to draw battleplans for training the US invasion of Greenland is probebly the 12 most common plan drawn... right after I dont know the plan to take and hold DaveCo Liquor Store in Thornton, Colorado in what ever strategic reason that location have.
SisyphusRollin
Our navy would be crippled, rightfully so, if they all just stopped allowing us to use their ports. We can re-up at sea unlike many others but it would never be enough, let alone repairs on deployments etc. They can decommission ships by not allowing them port entry. Which they should do if we invade. Retired navy here, already out there calling for the world to decommission the Iwo Jima by doing just this.
SunnyKontucchi
But tariffs!
cuprohastes
Not to mention China will lean over, assess, and call in all it's US debts at once.
unluckyandbored
I can hardly wait for Trump's actions to make my already meager paycheck utterly worthless.
brownribbon
Too many people think article 5 means war. This is not necessarily true.
idrinkcheapbeer
Never mind that we are like 30 trillion dollars in debt, a lot of it to these same countries.
rbudrick
This is the point. He knows. It's what daddy pootin wants so it's what he'll do to avoid reveal of pp tapes with hookers, tapes of him and jeffie raping and murdering children, and tapes of him sucking clinton and horse dick.
ParaSiddha
This is why I say everything Trump is doing is foolish...
It looks good short term but it utterly destroys the US long term...
How is that America First?
ParaSiddha
I think nationalism is stupid as such, we should be looking to improve conditions for all of humanity collectively... actively harming America does that, but it ultimately just changes who suffers.
SimSimSimsalabim
Simple - first he destroys America, then whatever else he can. Hence America First.
ParaSiddha
I mean, he is destroying those who depend on the US first...
That is having ramifications he didn't calculate, but that's because he's a moron.
ParaSiddha
He genuinely didn't understand that upholding trust was the basis for the US economy... yet nothing else has held it up since it stopped being a function of gold.
Rijacki
It doesn't even look good short term.
ParaSiddha
To the wealthy it does, they are getting richer...
They weren't using what they had, that's what wealth measures...
Never the less they get to boast among each other.
ParaSiddha
Obviously expenses are subtracted, so all we're talking about is the leftovers they don't need...
TheobromineAddict
As an American, I would hope that all this happens within hours of an American incursion into Greenland, but it's more likely to be a "measured response" that gradually ratchets the sanctions upward over the course of months, which is not very effective. Also I wonder if there will be any buyers if Europe is trying to sell off its hoard of US Treasury bonds.
Dyamonde
While normally i'd agree, i highly doubt this is what would happen after americans killed NATO troops.
usernameusedinlessplatforms2
China could buy them all and properly vassalize the US (like it has kind of done with russia already).
FrancsTireur
Thats the beauty of it, you sell them at an absolute steal; you'll lose money sure but thats money that the US isnt going to pay you anyway becsuse of the whole war thing, so you sell it all to a third party at a bargain price and the low price has a mega inflationary effect on the dollar. Its the international equivalent of saying "Your moneys no good here anymore" and them having no choice but to keep increasing the price they'll pay in order for you to change your mind.
Micro2112
Agreed. They should do everything on this list the moment the cheeto pedo makes an aggression to Greenland.
KerryCoder
And they should be *doing the paperwork* on this *now*.
Micro2112
Yes. Everytime pedo threatens a country, sell a million $ in bonds. Once the rich start losing money they will reverse course.
TheobromineAddict
True. And every American base commander in Europe should be planning their evacuation
KerryCoder
I'll bet ya the smart ones are.
SunBrolem
This is what they want. They want an isolated state that then immediately collapses so rich tech bros can buy it all up and erect their own little baronies.
DocNitro
GOOOOD MORNING NIGHT CITY!
satanslittleposter
I'm just replaying 2077 for the third time now, every time some corpo shit happens I'm thinking "why did we only get the megacorp part of cyberpunk without the raucous sex, drugs and implants".
SomeFukinWizard
Well, there's hours of that that got cut from the game, I do believe.
satanslittleposter
I was referring to real life for the part in quotes ;)
LicensedAdHominem
There's plenty of orgies around and of course they do drugs. They also put things in you there though I'm not sure it qualifies as an implant unless it gets stuck.
Orzufancylad
Yeh, I really don't understand the insistence that the US = NATO. Yes, the US is a HUGE part of it, but we don't lead it. Not really. The secretary general is even Dutch right now. The bulk of NATO's equipment is in Europe. Most of its personnel, heavy equipment, logistics, leadership is all in Europe. The US breaking off would be a huge blow, but NATO would continue without us and isn't helpless against us.
philmoregraves
Yeah im quite sick of hearing "it would be the end of NATO" in name maybe and association with the US yes, but all NATO would he doing is removing a cancer attached to it. Some recovery time necessary, but still operates
Squossifrage
Yes, the Secretary General is a European politician, but that's because of a tacit agreement that goes back to NATO's founding which gives the US military command of NATO while Europe retains political command. And the US has a special place in the treaty; for instance, the procedure to leave NATO can be summarized as “notify the US of your intent to leave”.
DudeBart
What a bunch of nonsense. There is no special place for US. Leaving NATO requires a message to US because it happens to be the depositary state. Nothing more and nothing less. Could have been any other state. Likewise: Switzerland is the depositary state for the Geneva Convention. Doesn't make Switzerland some special all-powerfull country that makes other countries bow to them when they misbehave towards prisoners of war.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
I mean, I get what you're saying, but it is kinda "notify the US of your inetion to leave" that statement doesn't inherently mean we're all powerful, just that we have the clipboard. I agree that the rest of what they said is bullshit.
Lutki
In raw numbers the US is capable of fighting nato, fighting a war with what were our closest allies is dumb as fuck; especially over greanland.
RealRaceRiotsAreAboutGettingBlueshelledInMarioKart
Was talking about this with my friends at dinner last night. I was the only Vet. One friend was lamenting "It's gonna suck when we wipe out NATO" bruh, wtf are you talking about? We have the weapons, sure. They have the eyes, ears, and relationships. Literally EVERY intel brief I'd ever been in (granted they were all for refueling sorties) started with some form of "According to reports from ally XYZ." If we go to war with NATO and don't win in the first week, we lose.
emu314159127001
Maybe the cheetos don't understand the difference between NATO and the UN. Just because the UN has to just sit by and strongly condemn or whatever when Russia invaded Ukraine doesn't mean NATO has to put up with that kind of shit
sunyudai
Fun fact - "US = NATO" is part of the Russian Eurasionist political outlook, specificallt the Duganist take on it, and is the political theory that drives Putin. This is why Russiasns believe their war with Ukraine is a proxy war with the U.S.
Usually whenever you see that claim being made, you can trace the larger argument back to Russian propaganda.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurasianism
Orzufancylad
Huh, didn't know that. Good to know and makes a lot of sense. ty!
psugab
The only things keeping them NATO from bullying tactics back to the US are human decency and generational war trauma.
Cornflakes91
afaik the organisation of NATO is currently set up so the US has always the last word, but i dont think that that'd survive contact with greenland
Orzufancylad
Nope, the US doesn't have final say in anything NATO. All decisions require consensus. If the US invaded, they would be removed from the NAC and would have 0 ability to veto anything.
ZackWester
And even then not tested but for example if sweden attacked Norway both part of NATO... it would be a bit funny as first every single NATO country would be requested and expected to come to Norways aid. then Sweden would get a call to come to Norways end (this means a legal loophole for local swedish troop that they are not deserting Sweden they are responding to a NATO call and will fight to defend it) meaning that sweden solder will get two choices attack Norway as part of sweden or
ZackWester
join NATO defence of Norway as part of Sweden... and I bet that there a lot more US soldiers that will Join NATO in defence of NATO then Join the US in attacking Danmark.
Kateness
The claim might also have had more legs to stand on if Europe hadn't just spent 4 years running up the slack and expanding every aspect of their armed forces and military infrastructure. If only someone hadn't done such a good job of showing us we can't rely on the US.
agonarch
Yeah historically we could rely on the US military-industrial complex to buy war materiel from if we needed, to the point where europe scaled way back and the US scaled way up. This was something everyone was happy with, it meant EU spending was lower yes but it was on overpriced US equipment so the US was previously happy to profit from that (and has been since WW2 tbh). Even the standard ammo sizes was what the US wanted, a small intermediate caliber that we now agree is too small.
agonarch
Going ahead the US will spend about the same on NATO, the EU will spend a little more, but the US will profit almost nothing from it rather than raking in cash hand over fist.
Some cases did definitely let it slide too far, the UK most obviously struggled to maintain a dozen tanks in Ukraine, crazy considering it has over 100 active and 100 mothballed that it thought it could handle that and couldn't manage 10.
androgenoide
Congress won't let him withdraw from NATO. He wants to destroy all the power structures the U.S. has built up over the past half century and this might be how he does it.
Rijacki
The same Congress that just voted down not supporting or not allowing his military incursion in Venezuela with some citing it already occurred so nothing can be done now?
Ninjainslippers
Unless SCOTUS does something out of character even for them and starts giving a fuck about executive overreach, congress is just an advisory body and trump will do whatever he wants and let the judges explain why he can do it.
CaldariBob
Limp Mike Johnson's Congress?
rfleming1080
Congress will literally let him do whatever he wants... they let him invade a nation we were not at war with. So, what makes you think this will be the stopping point?
androgenoide
Congress actually stripped him of that power during his first term. Invading Greenland could be a way around the law...if anybody is willing to point out that it's illegal.
InitHello
I don't think they did actually strip him of the power to do that, since he ... well ... did in fact do that.
CyanideBreathMint
They don’t care what the laws say:/
rmx256
This is _exactly_ how Miller is going to do it. 45 couldn't come up with this crap himself.
euphoricopportunity
It's a shame that we can't arrange for the ghost of Cesar Chavez to possess Miller, and the ghost of Emma Goldman to possess Vought . In place of Trump? Kurt Vonnegut Jr,
SleepyHollowAppleTree
putin, but yeah, same difference really, a little man with a lot of power.
KerryCoder
Even if Congress doesn't let him withdraw from NATO, An attack on a NATO state (Denmark via Greenland) is an attack on them all. NATO will *KICK* the U.S. out, because we will be de-facto at war with them. Hopefully a cold war -- that's the best case scenario.
RooGryphon
no, if we step one fucking boot. i want them shot dead. and DC then lit up and on fire with hypersonic ballistic systems
KerryCoder
I prefer a cold war to a hot war between the U.S. and NATO, because the US, UK, and France are nuclear-armed nations. That's why a cold war is "the best case scenario."
RooGryphon
you can arm icbms with non nuke warheads and we have hypersonic systems too...i never said start off with nukes
HelloImACat
Missile alert systems lighting up that ICBMs were launched aren't going to distinguish between nuke and non-nuke. MAD will be in effect.
InfocalypseRising
Really? Congress is going to stop him? The same Congress that has been letting him do whatever the hell he wants for a year?
ZackWester
well on this they might act as even the Republicans want to stay alive and if Trump start a war whit NATO... well there are many EU friendly people in the US and whit the war going on. Republicans will become primary targets together whit Trump... especually if you been pro trump the only republican that might not become a primary target (will probably be target just for been a Trump republican by a local joe) is one that been quiet or actively against trump (how many that might be or zero).
eathotdog
They care about economic stability
ThisNameUnavailable
😂
Omicron416
*Some of them
LicensedAdHominem
Volatility is awesome if you know it's coming and have money to invest in it.
Jarjarthejedi
Really? They let him tariff the economy into the dumpster but they care about economic stability? Ya'll mad delusional...
TyphoonMuscles
They could make money off the tariffs, which is why they didn't stop him.
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
If they did our debt wouldnt have nearly quadrupled in one year, more than any other president in history.
MapleSyrupMafia
If they cared about the constitution, both side could impeach this administration right now and remove them. Palantir get nuked, whole reset of everything that Musk touched... Seize everything he has and I'd be fine with a little torture to get whatever backups they're hiding!
foxpotate
Ronald lauder and the tech bros are the ones pushing the mentally ill pedophile stroke patient in chief to do this.
DukeDarkwood
Then he's an idiot who doesn't understand how much he will lose for very little gain.
The 'ivory towers' are well-protected against 'assault', but are very, very susceptible to collapse if their 'foundations' crumble.
The first handful to bail will probably make it to some comfy arrangement with Russia or Saudi Arabia or whoever else doesn't mind taking in fascist wealth - but those who aren't first won't be so lucky. To switch metaphors mid-comment, there just aren't enough lifeboats.
GuerrillaschaukelnInDerTodeszone
Old, white men rolling in money...why is it always you? Just looked him up, didn't know him before: Motherfucker is 81, profession: son (of Estée Lauder), 5bn., president of the "World Jewish Congress", is Likud republican (that's the Netanjahu branch) and good friends with the Pedodent since the days they both pretended to attend university. Currently busy extorting Ukraine's ressources, wants Greenland's next, praises Trump for his great plan although he was the one who planted it back in 2019
NKato
Doing a great job proving the antisemitic stereotypes of the 1900s. Jesus Christ. That shit wasn't a to-do list, you fucks.
SirDucken
Oh that's BINGO! I GOT BINGO!
johneventually1
Old white men pushing us all off a cliff?
ZeroZeroZombie
I mean, those with wealth and power always want to have some sort of grandiose goal to further their wealth and power. There doesn't seem to be such a thing as an ethical billionaire.
johneventually1
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OhSheeeeeet
And that's exactly why getting rid of Trump won't solve this situation. The whole upper echelon needs to go one way or another.
johneventually1
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IGetAllMyFactsFromHere
so... if Lauder were to suddenly... 🪣🦵... then this Greenland insanity should stop?
SavageDrums
Nah, the techbros want this for their stupid technofascist fantasy land.
johneventually1
Technofascist Cybernazis
Cryptoconvict Cunts
KKKetamine Konfederates
foxpotate
Elon, theil, bezos and altman still would want it for their stupid libertarian "freedom cities" horseshit which is just technofeudalism. However lauder is the active "load bearing agressor" on the greenland thing. The others would likely retry that city yacht thing again that was never going to work in his sudden absence.
subparsubpoena
simple matter of doing some more bucket-football. I'm all for it!
johneventually1
Yeah that's only like 5
iamthemurray
I don't even get how they thought the sea city nonsense was even close to plausible. They really need to lay off the ketamine
foxpotate
The water displacement alone would sink it. That is implying the waves don't instantly roll it over with that skinny profile.
SavageDrums
But it was designed by the latest AI!