I suggest his sentence be a heartfelt apology and a stern talking to. Well…. I could be persuaded to an insincere apology and a head nod. Justice Served
The reason was odd to me, I had to read it like 20 times. Basically you can only go for the death penalty there if the murder was accompanied by other violent crimes. And the only other crime he committed was stalking…. So that’s a new learning
Death row inmates get treated WAY better than lifers. They get way more amenities and rights. Serving life is the worst possible outcome trust me. Death row inmates usually spend decades before they even remotely have a chance at actual execution. This is not good news.
I suspect they're trying to tread lightly because no one was prepared for the largely positive public response to him. It's going to be near impossible to find a 100% unbiased jury. I anticipate the trial will be a massive cluster fuck.
We don't want to be there, no. But do we need to be there? That's arguably an open question right now given how fucking lawless this government has become.
I only read it here so take with a bucket of salt. Someone said hus bag was searched without a warrant nothing was found then the cams went off, when they came back on tbe magicly found all the evidence they couldn't find before.
He has excellent attorneys. I’m sure they are getting the GPS data from the police cruiser. And any traffic cameras from the route the officer took. I want to know everything that happened during the 12 minutes their body camera was off.
I really would've thought "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine would apply to this bullshit. I suspect he'll have a really good case to appeal if he loses.
I'm sure that if we have another presidential election the democrats will work hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again and the GOP will win the election with a marionette made from Hitler's skeleton and his running mate, a sentient burning cross, who will then make all life illegal and execute the entire world population.
Their stock took a quick dip after the murder, then shot way up in the following 3 months as their financial results improved, then tanked after they announced 1Q2025 results. I don't think the murder has had really any impact on their business practices, although companies avoiding UHC insurance due to the controversy may have contributed to their stock price drop a bit (their insurance isn't typically "direct sales to consumer" type stuff).
You don't generally need a warrant to search a suspect's belongings, the "inevitably discovery" exception makes it unnecessary in most cases. The bigger issue is the unclear chain of custody.
The fact they searched it, found nothing. >gap with body cameras off<, searched it again "oh hey it's this gun and manifesto that perfectly ties everything together!"
This sort of thing is why body cams should be an 'always on' device, and controlled by a third party outside of the police. Give the officers controls to flag files for sensitivity and privacy levels, but don't give them even the option to make 'mistakes' on recording.
Its fine that the police cam turn it off just realized that the recordings are for THEIR protection so lack of recording means accuse of wrongdoings are correct per default.
Cops should also be fired, stripped of pension, and prosecuted for any attempt to tamper with body cams (such as physically covering them up or dampening audio). It needs to be serious enough consequences that it's not even worth thinking about doing.
Which we can always work towards. Whenever someone says this they mean it won’t happen so it’s pointless, but it should mean that’s where effort should be placed.
Well the cops really fucked up the initial investigation, almost as badly as cops did with O. J. Simpson. Jury nullification is about all we can hope for now.
They still bungled the chain of custody HARD. The evidence is permitted because of some bullshit regarding the search, but once the chain of custody makes it to the table the search may be thrown out. Besides his lawyers can always appeal.
That’s not the point. The point is that, per the Sixth Amendment, the jury must be impartial.
If the state can alter evidence, it’s impossible for a jury to judge whether the state’s allegations are true. At that point, it doesn’t matter whether the suspect committed a crime or not… the court becomes a tool of the state to punish people, rather than a tool of the people.
No, but what's more important? Jailing one murderer or conveying to LAPD that they can't not conduct themselves as a professional law enforcement agency?
The court's (and of there is one, the jury's) role is to determine if the State proves the defendant guilty, or if they fail to do so ("Not Guilty"). Innocence is irrelevant.
I agree, and same will happen with Luigi even if he is somehow found innocent. Killing someone we don't like - if if they INDIRECTLY killed others - is still murder.
Spanky93
I suggest his sentence be a heartfelt apology and a stern talking to. Well…. I could be persuaded to an insincere apology and a head nod. Justice Served
Eeaglepine
Anybody remember the name of the guy he allegedly shot? I sure don't.
Corrodias
The shit that the pigs want people to think is "his", at least.
ThinkThisOut
The reason was odd to me, I had to read it like 20 times. Basically you can only go for the death penalty there if the murder was accompanied by other violent crimes. And the only other crime he committed was stalking…. So that’s a new learning
ConnectToReality
Hey, it's that guy I remember being nowhere near New York on on December 4, 2024.
manystripes
I like how this framing make it look like he's grinning reading the headline
nonqua
psmith00
one judge said he should not be killed. we'll have to wait and see what the Regime decides.
MutatedHorse
Death row inmates get treated WAY better than lifers. They get way more amenities and rights. Serving life is the worst possible outcome trust me. Death row inmates usually spend decades before they even remotely have a chance at actual execution. This is not good news.
slatsisanoldie
In my imaginary world the next president pardons him as their first act of president.
randomdragon
Honestly surprised that they aren't pushing to make an example of him.
wadatahmydamie
They are. But not all judges are bent
dingybasement350
I suspect they're trying to tread lightly because no one was prepared for the largely positive public response to him. It's going to be near impossible to find a 100% unbiased jury. I anticipate the trial will be a massive cluster fuck.
pm1001
Jury nullification is a thing. Having said that, vigilantes are not where we really want to be, is it?
dingybasement350
What we really need to reflect on is how we got to this place where a vigilante became a modern day folk hero and how we could ever dig ourselves out.
Colopty
In the context of the current state of things, eh, I'll take what we can get. The ideal world isn't really available right now.
AshuraEidolon
It's not what we WANT, but with *gestures at pretty much everything* it's the best we can hope for.
tidepool
Well the government isn’t protecting us like it’s supposed to so this is what they get.
NKato
We don't want to be there, no. But do we need to be there? That's arguably an open question right now given how fucking lawless this government has become.
fractalsphere
His shit was searched without a warrant and with many minutes of 'missing video'
uplookdont
I only read it here so take with a bucket of salt. Someone said hus bag was searched without a warrant nothing was found then the cams went off, when they came back on tbe magicly found all the evidence they couldn't find before.
BarryTheCyborg
In a county where the police were just caught planting evidence.
override367
are they appealling that
Isorikk
The missing video is suspect, but searches can be conducted with reasonable suspicion, so I could see how the officers could articulate that
azgrak1
He has excellent attorneys. I’m sure they are getting the GPS data from the police cruiser. And any traffic cameras from the route the officer took. I want to know everything that happened during the 12 minutes their body camera was off.
LoudBirb
I really would've thought "fruit of the poisoned tree" doctrine would apply to this bullshit. I suspect he'll have a really good case to appeal if he loses.
dingybasement350
If you want to get away with murder you have to be a CEO or a billionaire.
gnomedeplume
So he should have registered his own company and named himself as ceo before (allegedly) doing the deed, good call
jappie348
If the next president is actually cool, he'd pardon Luigi
dingybasement350
I'm sure that if we have another presidential election the democrats will work hard to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory yet again and the GOP will win the election with a marionette made from Hitler's skeleton and his running mate, a sentient burning cross, who will then make all life illegal and execute the entire world population.
Darprice
Pardon? I will be surprised if a jury finds him guilty.
CJAW
Luigi can run in the 2036 election (if we still have elections)
Asadsadsadclown
Also a dude tried to break him out of jail. Someone showed up pretending to be an FBI agent and was armed with a BBQ fork and a pizza cutter.
gnomedeplume
Sounds like a fed psyop
GrimleyGraves
Was his-a name-a Mario?
Asadsadsadclown
Sadly not, Mark Anderson. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g0y6yp2vno
amtronic
Amazing how UHC improved my customer experience in the last year or so.... Hmmm...
rudejohn
Their stock took a quick dip after the murder, then shot way up in the following 3 months as their financial results improved, then tanked after they announced 1Q2025 results. I don't think the murder has had really any impact on their business practices, although companies avoiding UHC insurance due to the controversy may have contributed to their stock price drop a bit (their insurance isn't typically "direct sales to consumer" type stuff).
irmonkey
I saw the opposite. They denied to cover my wife in November because she has hashimotos syndrome.
HashMaster9k
Oof, Hashimotos is ROUGH. I have a friend who has it, and she can barely eat anything. Big hugs to your wife, I hope she's doing okay.
wqpsu
You don't generally need a warrant to search a suspect's belongings, the "inevitably discovery" exception makes it unnecessary in most cases. The bigger issue is the unclear chain of custody.
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
Unclear chain of custody means NO chain of custody.
EnigmaticEmpress
The fact they searched it, found nothing. >gap with body cameras off<, searched it again "oh hey it's this gun and manifesto that perfectly ties everything together!"
realrealluckless
This sort of thing is why body cams should be an 'always on' device, and controlled by a third party outside of the police. Give the officers controls to flag files for sensitivity and privacy levels, but don't give them even the option to make 'mistakes' on recording.
TripleDane
Its fine that the police cam turn it off just realized that the recordings are for THEIR protection so lack of recording means accuse of wrongdoings are correct per default.
WigglyBlondeNoodle
Cops should also be fired, stripped of pension, and prosecuted for any attempt to tamper with body cams (such as physically covering them up or dampening audio). It needs to be serious enough consequences that it's not even worth thinking about doing.
Lynkfox
And firing a cop should be in a national database where it prevents them from being hired again anywhere else
misanthropicbob
Sure. That's an ideal world.
WorkerLurker
Which we can always work towards. Whenever someone says this they mean it won’t happen so it’s pointless, but it should mean that’s where effort should be placed.
Lassannn
Well the cops really fucked up the initial investigation, almost as badly as cops did with O. J. Simpson. Jury nullification is about all we can hope for now.
Cthulhuchooseyou
So much of the BS they're trying to pull, will likely get brought up in Appeals.
Hatsodoom
They still bungled the chain of custody HARD. The evidence is permitted because of some bullshit regarding the search, but once the chain of custody makes it to the table the search may be thrown out. Besides his lawyers can always appeal.
pastelteapot
Just curious, do you think OJ was actually innocent?
Tarmaccian
That’s not the point. The point is that, per the Sixth Amendment, the jury must be impartial.
If the state can alter evidence, it’s impossible for a jury to judge whether the state’s allegations are true. At that point, it doesn’t matter whether the suspect committed a crime or not… the court becomes a tool of the state to punish people, rather than a tool of the people.
TheJuiceLoosener
No, but what's more important? Jailing one murderer or conveying to LAPD that they can't not conduct themselves as a professional law enforcement agency?
ElbowDeepinaTinyOctopus
The court's (and of there is one, the jury's) role is to determine if the State proves the defendant guilty, or if they fail to do so ("Not Guilty"). Innocence is irrelevant.
pastelteapot
I mean the jurors said the knew he did it but wanted payback for Rodney King. So kind of a perversion of the justice system.
HillOfBeans
Lassannn
No, he did it. And he did not escape God's judgment.
rudejohn
I agree, and same will happen with Luigi even if he is somehow found innocent. Killing someone we don't like - if if they INDIRECTLY killed others - is still murder.
Lassannn
Right but he still has air in his lungs to beg God for forgiveness. Whether God will grant it is entirely up to Him.
WholeWheatBunnyHugger
"But what if I want it more than the person who has it?"