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It really feels like they’re trying to attack a very visual form of disability access as a way to be take rights from the disabled.
Also this idiots claim of a “disability lobby”. The only way the ADA got passed was people pulling themselves up the stairs of the capital because there were no ramps. It shocked and upset enough people that they passed the ADA (which is still very loosely enforced).
Another also, if captions are fine, then lets turn off the audio and see how accurate that captioning is in a real time emergency situation!
Snooj
I'll say this every time this is posted: Thanks to how disabled people are handled in our school system, an inordinately high number of deaf people graduate HS unable to read. They need ASL far more than they need closed captioning. Something like 60% of deaf people cannot read well enough to comprehend closed captions.
StumpyToe
Most often when concerts I go see have an ASL interpreter performing, they are 100% hype and usually my favorite part of the show. These people are just finding one more thing to complain about. Fuck em.
BendadickCumabatch
The NAZI also moved up their extermination camps from handling the mental patients, the gays, to then the disabled, holocaust before holocaust. Or rather, still want to.
loedout
First they came for the women, and I did not speak out—because I was not a woman.
Then they came for the lgbt+ comunity, and I did not speak out—because I was not a part of it.
Then they came for the immigrants, and I did not speak out—because I was not an immigrant.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Frostycopper
I haven't seen this dialogue anywhere but here.
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
Is nondisabled really the applicable term these days?It denotes the existence of disabled people, and last I heard (no pun intended) the hard of hearing, actually any differently abled persons, don't want to be labelled as disabled. I mean I don't mean to be that guy particularly since I use subtitles for everything and it would be hypocritical of me to deny anyone an alternative but are we settled on that nomenclature? Just cause this is the response I get all the time. See how annoying it is?
CrumpetsWithHoneyAreCrumpetsWithBeeVomit
This was sarcasm by way directed at ask those pedants correcting people for their minor misuse of terms. Not u OP. And I agree that sign language is a necessity. Now can we stop correcting every fucking person that doesn't use today's preferred adjectives? That is all.
eromitlab
Chris Rufo is fucking trash.
FrancsTireur
Didn't even read the name, no point anymore; anyone who is so vocal about something that in no way effects them at all is quite clearly a worthless subhuman sack of rotting maggots. Who cares how few it helps, if it helps any and it doesn't have any impact on you then just zip it or delete yourself from the gene pool.
gostoso666
I know ASL or some kind of SL is an official language here in NZ. Is it not in US? The official status means it's protected
Hammertulski
Protected Class in the US means it can, has, and/or will be targeted specifically by the GOP for reduced or removed protections at best, before becoming dangerous rhetoric escalating to actual physical incitement.
Magnar1183
"GOP" is the sound of deepthroating a dick.
quietwalker
I used to be the section 503 guy for my engineering team. That means I was on the lookout for accessibility issues with software. I'll advocate for the ADA and accessibility support.
That being said, my advocacy consists of voting for people that will support these ideas. I don't have the time or money or attention to do much more. If that doesn't make me an "ally" in the eyes of some people, I dunno what to tell folks. That's what I can do. Blame the ones who vote against.
AmandaMontagne
They want to live in their little white conservative world where they don't have to be reminded that POC, LGBT, People with Disabilities, or People with Mental Health Problems exist.
Lugh314159
If seeing someone using sign language looks ridiculous…. That’s a YOU problem. Maybe y’all need to work on your perceptions of reality.
luna3aoife
Since we're reliving the holocaust in america (see beer hall putsch is the old j6, pence cosplaying ernst rohm, etc) it seems prevalant to remind us that americans initiated and developed eugenics (the sterlization and murder of people) alongside germany, targeting disabled people.
Feldspartacus
Real talk though, closed captions are garbage these days compared to like 10 years ago.
GloriousPirateBeard
Devils advocate, but is it actually under attack or just this one dbag talking shit? Cause this post is the only one I've seen attacking interpretors
nemesisx00
In addition to right wing nut jobs simply being their typical psychopathically violent selves, they also probably think ASL is just English with your hands. But it's a completely distinct language and I would expect that many who use ASL as a first language might not even be able to read English. So, no, English subtitles aren't equivalent. The real question is: how can these right wingers be so easily distracted by movement to the point of wanting to harm others?
zeiji
a lot of people don't quite understand that ASL is it's own language and not subtitles made with hands.
SleepyHollowAppleTree
They certainly pick some weird hills, picking on deaf people now?
rooik14
Anyone they feel they can kick down at. "This person is different, they are the enemy"
SleepyHollowAppleTree
Yeah, shows how weak they are.
jetact12
It will start here. Soon ppl will be thrown off SSDI, SSI, and VA Disabilities because the disability isnt "obvious" or the benefit isnt "strictly needed". DO NOT GIVE THEM A FREAKIN INCH.
gingen
I see these things about "time to step up" as if I as a queer person havnt been constantly fighting my whole life already. I agree but...yah
gingen
fascism is attacking us on all fronts. sure there are those that need to ally up and fight but man...nothing fundamentally will change :/
wandermanspacebot
You must be pretty young if you haven't seen positive changes in your lifetime.
gingen
You must be pretty naive to think that the rights of people who aren't straight white men aren't constantly under attack. Someone doesn't only have to be beaten in the street to be oppressed or attacked. Just because you don't understand, feel it, or see it, doesn't mean it isn't there. Positive changes have happened, but it doesn't preclude the presence of oppression. Just because battles have been won does not mean the war is over.
wandermanspacebot
This may be the dumbest strawman I've ever encountered. Congrats, I guess.
RetrogradeLlama
The GOP: That party that loves to hate.
KleptoKea
And they get away with it, when the rest of the Americans don't collectively stand up to them.
casbott
casbott
jalondon628
MAGA is organized hatred.
TripleDane
Many Angry Grooming Assholes
jaydude22
As a former Christian there is a saying I’ve seen online I really like “there’s no hate like Christian love.”
SalmonMax
Their disdain/hate for the disabled comes from the same fundamental place as their hate for progressives. American political conservatism has enshrined the veneration of 'strength' at the cost of all other virtues. And strength here is defined narrowly as a very rugged, tough, stoic overwhelming masculine ideal that was popularized in the decades bracketing World War 2. If you're not a man, you should be weaker than a man, but not weaker than your peers. Anything else is grounds for exclusion.
ErectileFunction
They want winners and losers, but only they're the winners.
TheEvenPrez
I wondered who they’d target after trans people. Deaf and hoh crossed my mind but I assumed it would be cyclists
TyrTheTired
You know what? They're right. Silent films gave all the same information without that useless audio track hogging up bandwidth and selling us expensive surround sound systems. I mean, to what end? So it "sounds like we're in the movie"? No one's fooled by that. No one thinks they're in the movie just because of some sounds any more than seeing 1999 in a caption makes us think we're back in the 90s. I say down with ALL audio. [Speaks French]
PTK74
Oh, yet another page of the nazi playbook.
BoboTheIceMan
They don't care. They've never cared. Only way to get them to understand is to put them in that situation.
LookingLikeASnack
And a thing of note, they *have* to be put in that situation by an outside force. They won't do even the most basic amount of work to ensure that their viewpoint has any empathy or understanding at all. Take this very case as an example; it's incredibly easy to turn on closed captions to see how reliable they are, and it takes very little experience with them to realize that they are often not very good at all.
CerisCinderwolf
I recall and old Equalizer episode from the 80's with this premise. Slum lord was fucking over deaf tenants.. titular character used a sonic speaker to temporarily deafen him to teach him a lesson.
exlurker42
The politicians care, it's another dereg thing. Mark down some of the amendments as unnecessary, build a case to repeal the act. *poof* less regulation to deal with. Dereg is most of what the GOP has accomplished behind the circus recently. Same reason they want to villify select pieces of the ACA.
HawkmanXLII
I feel like you need to amend your first point.
MrStealYourGiF
As a person with the benefit of hearing who uses captions when I don't want the volume blasting just to catch the quiet stuff, I find the accuracy of captioning quite poor and getting worse. Quite often it is using the wrong form of a homophone, and often splits words into two soundalike words that are nonsense, or runs two together. It is particularly bad at anything outside of 5th grade general knowledge.
morningxafter
For real. My ADD means I miss like 25% of what’s said because I’m constantly distracted by any little noise I hear.
ZackWester
Add in so many shows that balance the sound so speaking voice's sre newr impossible to hear.
morningxafter
Ugh, the worst.
“I can’t hear the dialogue”
[turns vol up]
*EXPLOSION AND GUNFIRE!!!*
“AHHHHHG!! Way too loud!!”
Wolfshead009
Good bet that a lot of it is machine translated. I've gotten "spoiled" watching subtitled anime and some of the crap out there that passes for captioning is just terrible.
Milkarius
I've had anime subtitles explaining every specific Japanese joke / reference / untranslatable pun on one side and series that couldn't get two subtitled sentences in a row correct.
It's not all like that but damn... So much money to make a movie or show. At least make sure the subtitles are correct! It's such an easy way to noy push people away from your show!
breadedfishstrip
Rick and Morty on HBO, their english subtitles often straight up rephrase or leave out jokes and dialogue compared to spoken
jonhamsandwich11
I worked in a building that had mostly hearing impaired or fully deaf tenants. A good percentage of the deaf were, in fact, unable to read. Captions would be useless to them
Elvirana
I've never thought about it before, but it's probably a lot harder learning to read if you've never had the ability to hear and you can't sound out the words.
PosthumousExile
Why? Wouldn't that be their second best way to communicate?
quasarvoyager2
Writing and the alphabet is a representation of sounds, it's much harder to learn to read if you're deaf and can't hear those sounds.
PosthumousExile
Damn, you're right, that really shows how even the very basic things in society are structured towards abled people
judyblue
ASL is not a gestured version of English. They are entirely different languages. Many deaf people struggle with reading, especially at the real-time speed of CC.
ExTechOp
Although the United Kingdom and the United States share English as the predominant spoken language, British Sign Language is quite distinct from American Sign Language (ASL), having only 31% signs identical, or 44% cognate. BSL is also distinct from Irish Sign Language (ISL) (ISG in the ISO system), which is more closely related to French Sign Language (LSF) and ASL.
— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Sign_Language
OmNachoMama
https://boldscience.org/how-do-deaf-or-hard-of-hearing-children-learn-to-read/#:~:text=Children%20who%20are%20deaf%20may,who%20are%20hard%20of%20hearing.
PosthumousExile
Thanks 👍
hotmessactual
How would they learn to read if they couldn't hear?
johnwilliams123
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ArcUlfr
I've seen how bad the captions are anyways. They usually have a couple of errors per sentence, at best.
Hammertulski
A warning to…[action music]…seek shelter if. &&& call today and the weather is [page break] vicinity today today today
MajorasTerribleFate
Sponsored captions on recorded TV shows? More or less fine. Captions on live TV? At best, unreliable; at worst, trash (when they aren't just stopped for lengths of time for no discernable reason).
ArcUlfr
That's really the point. Recorded TV shows aren't generally the place you see sign language translators; it's usually live speeches or emergency alerts.
Anyways, this should probably be framed as an attack on disabled veterans; the usual crowd seems to take greater offense against that sort of thing than they do over random civilians being shafted for having a disability.
ArcUlfr
If it wasn't clear, the hypocrisy of the Republicans and the tendency for the general public to care a lot about some groups but not at all about others really infuriates me.
LogicalLimes
I can’t explain it any simpler than they just can’t stand to see others benefit or be helped. ASL interpreters have no negative impact whatsoever for those who are not hearing impaired, but they provide tremendous help to those who are. So why are they so offended by them?
Is it that they just hate any and everything that isn’t like them?
By the way, closed captions suck, especially for live broadcasts. They often lag behind and miss a lot of context too. (Something else I wish we could fix.)
The701
Chris Rufo and those like him don't really care about the people doing the sign language. What they really care about is exterminating those they regard as "inferior." Yeah there's another four-letter word that could be used to refer to Rufo.
LogicalLimes
Do you think at its core it’s hate? Or is it fear? Fear of the unknown or fear of losing power/influence? Fear of not “being on top” or not feeling “superior”?
The701
I suppose it can be both, but just being afraid isn't enough to see that kind of hateful behavior. I'm scared of the near future, like especially if Christian-nationalist and Civil-War-2.0 Hegseth and vaccines-are-bad RFK Jr. are formally given positions of power. But I'm not handling that fear by going on bigoted rants and inciting violence against innocent people, like Rufo does.
LogicalLimes
Yup. As I was writing that originally, I was reminded of a quote from one of my favorite Star Trek series. “The only reason why fear exists is to be conquered.” Unfortunate their minds are too closed to even understand that.
But yes, absolutely nothing justifies their abhorrent behavior. And I fear for the future for the same reasons as you.
WeatherWiz
Imagine being triggered by someone using their hands to communicate. They would not survive in Italy, that’s for sure.
Legomaniac91
It's why Italians are on their eventual list for being "not white enough"
MyRespectableAlterEgo
Hanania wrote an entire book called "the origins of woke" (which he plugs in every single simp reply to every single fascist he digitally fellates). His argument is that wokeness is a sign that the Civil Rights movement was a mistake, and underscores his point by saying that people should be allowed to watch porn at work without worrying about women complaining. He's a fucking lunatic.
GravyEducation
I do not condone this bullshit but just FYI a quick defense against Italians is to break spaghetti and form a protective circle with canned parmesan. They can't get inside that warding spell
MyRespectableAlterEgo
A horde of angry Online Italians slowly close in, you hear the murmuring cacophony - vague at first, then piercing in its clarity: "there's. No. Cream. In. Caaarbonaaaaraaa". You try to place faith in The Parmesan Circle - but it is so thin and powdery, and Italians on the Internet are so loud. So numerous. So united. "Stay back!" You scream. "Stay back!" But your words are lost... vanishing into the Mediterranean rage like a lonely egg yolk disappearing into a correctly-made creamy sauce.
tarnok
CANNED PARMESAN?!?!? *Mumbles in broken first generation Italian*
SomeGeek75ygh
How do you keep an Italian quiet? Handcuff them.
MyRespectableAlterEgo
Or ask them for military assistance
SomeGeek75ygh
Damn and I thought I gave a burn, ouch.
ronnyhugo
Its annoying because I think ASL should be taught as everyone's second language. It allows for communication at a distance at work.
tgeliot
Also, babies can control their hands well much earlier than they can control their vocal tracts. So they can speak ASL at a much younger age than they can speak any vocal language.
ronnyhugo
Well I tried to explain to law makers and budget makers that 1 in 2 men get cancer (and 65% of those get it regardless of healthy living), so that we could get funding and laws in place for the cure for cancer that was published the year the human genome project completed (2005). And people didn't understand that. Maybe some hand signals are needed.
GravyEducation
Yes 100% first of all because yeah sign language needs to be taught and second I've worked in restaurants and the amount of people who don't understand a basic hand signal is weirdly high. Like I'm not even talking complex stuff I'm saying if I hold up three fingers I mean three.
ronnyhugo
You also constantly have to reinvent hand signs I bet. Three beers is done like the east-side gang sign and three gin and tonic is done like the west side gang sign and three of todays special is a metalhead hand sign etc. :D Imagine the walking and shouting you'd save if you all knew like 200 words in ASL.
GravyEducation
ronnyhugo