TheLastSpaceman
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There were women prisoners too. None of those were released.
Fuck you for you service!
Mar 7, 2026 5:32 PM
TheLastSpaceman
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There were women prisoners too. None of those were released.
Fuck you for you service!
philmoregraves
The military industrial complex has told us for decades that those in the middle east are against american values and our way of life. This is the american values they experienced, and when they strike back we play dumb and call them evil for it. Crazy right?
Niagaran
I'll bet it was Boney M. That would be torture.
pintgudge1975
Regime change in the United States now!
taurondir
Terry Pratchett : "People as things, that’s where it starts".
woozle
Spreading freedoms!
No need to applause just thank us later...by giving us your oil
thewhereiankelly
As little as the bush admin cared for rights the trump admin cares less. This kind of thing is probably happening in migrant camps right now
MithrandirGi
gorgeousninja
Schrodinger’s US, a nation of bullies and simultaneously a nation of wimps.
cullingg
Peoples idea of strength can come in many forms, one of the most toxic is that winning (in any area) means the others lose, or lose more than you.
DwayneTheCrackJohnson
Home of the brave and land of the free!
...if it were OPPOSITE DAY!
fractalsphere
Do people remember that Ron DeSantis was a soldier gleefully participating in the torture of people at Gitmo?
Erumun
was he a solider? i thought he was like some lawyer with the military and he was like "no problem here!"
circlebreaker
Seldom mentioned, but known and important to remember. It sheds light on his current decision-making processes.
jamiedBreaker
Holy shit no, thanks for mentioning
The11thPlague
I do remember. Do people remember when Obama decided not to prosecute him and the likes of him? The worse people rose to the top thanks to that. We are in this situation thanks to one side covering the other's sins. Realize that and go vote in your primaries.
chicharrone
He was a naval lawyer https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/28/ron-desantis-guantanamo-bay-allegations I don't like the guy...but I did a quick Google search to check
SavageDrums
Who gleefully participate in torture at Gitmo.
chicharrone
Probably. Wouldn't put it past him.
L0rdinquisit0r
dont forget how they used dogs on prisoners
Only a small fraction of the photos ever surfaced. The Obama administration fought against releasing more of them because they said it inflame anti-American sentiment abroad and place Americans at risk.
Osgarth
Well they can mark down those efforts as failed because anti American sentiment is bigger than ever.
SmergBlaerghl
"If we tell the truth about how we behave, people will dislike us for it".
circlebreaker
Joke's on them, failing to release the photos and fully detail the scale and scope of the abuse only makes people hate them more. The guy who was instrumental in creating the SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) training for U.S. servicemembers, that was reverse-engineered to torture detainees at Guantanamo Bay was apparently appalled. If even your current and former soldiers are disgusted by your overhead policies, you need to reexamine yourself, they're usually the biggest patriots...
SmergBlaerghl
For sure, but there's a reason the USA is among the countries who haven't joined the ICC or ratified the Rome statute. Even if Trump is the one who's imposed sanctions on the ICC and some of its judges and prosecutors, it's not a new thing that the US refuses to be held accountable by anyone. He is more blatantly the bully, and does it openly and shamelessly, but it's not new. Claiming to be leaders of the free world and acting like it are two different things.
circlebreaker
Agreed, it's been a persistent problem.
schrodingerscatfood
The fact that military personnel acts so unhinged, that should be the priority of what needs fixing. Not the publication of evidence.
HolyFreakingToast
yes - truly
paullyboy1999
Too many humans are unhinged, they gravitate to jobs that historically allow shit like this. I know soldiers who were in the gulf war and the stories they tell me is why I didnt say I have friends who were in the gulf war
JimmyWalkerTexasRanger
All my active duty and retired "friends" and family are ABSOLUTELY unhinged flag waving racist cunts. They all live in this weird bubble of denial that I have no way to pop.
Yet...
paullyboy1999
I am more talking about the implied rape and murder of civilians. Borderline torture stories etc. Again why I reiterate not friends, former co-workers etc.
The11thPlague
The Obama administration? Whaaat? But the people here say that guy was a saint! Seriously, his administration ensured none of the war criminals in high places got as much as a slap on the wrist. Instead, he fought hard to keep the unconstitutional spying apparatus that Snowden showed us. The truth is Obama managed to protect the establishment very well and nothing more. If we get another Obama after this, we are all screwed.
wabitgirl
Obama had pretty good domestic policy, but his foreign policy was highly questionable in a lot of respects. That said, being good at half is better than what we have now, which is an administration that is fucking obliterating all standards of both foreign and domestic policy, alienating us from allies, aligning us with fascistic, totalitarian states, and destroying our country at every possible level.
Feralkyn
I fucking hate that he promised to shut down Guantanamo and then... did not do that.
fillerbunny9
I hate that he said he’d enshrine abortion as a day one priority and then once in office it became “no longer a priority.”
thisisnotfineffs
He was just another neoliberal, never a progressive. Him being able to get elected as a black man was a sign of progress, but his actual positions and policy was never progressive
The11thPlague
He found an excuse for not doing that. He found an excuse for not doing a lot of things actually. But he never had to find an excuse to protect the establishment. Hmm. And, looking at the downvotes I get every time I mention this stuff, he still has plenty of fans. We are screwed.
Kvoth9000
For what it's worth, I think the down votes are more because of your framing than Obama himself. For example, the OG comment shines a bad light on Obama and people up-vote it. You swoop in trying to shove a right-wing, sarcastic comment in (which seems intentionally made to somehow make what's currently happening seem okay by comparison) and then whine you get down-voted.
Kvoth9000
Last point: the people here you're talking to all recognize what happened as bad. Saying that they don't, when they are literally talking about how bad it was, is disingenuous.