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Artist prints t-shirts from manhole covers.
http://www.emmafrance.de/work/raubdruckerin
Sep 8, 2017 12:57 PM
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http://www.emmafrance.de/work/raubdruckerin
Arbok8C
These shirts really need video publicity on how they are made, otherwise they might as well have been made with stamps or regular printing.
trulyconcernedcitizen
The copyrights stuff, i get it. Public works could be considered public domain. It'd be great for her to partner w/ the cities, start a fund
tonebacas
now if only someone would figure out a way to make a profit from reposts
Spacebandit
My man hole never made any money
wJumper
What happens when you wash it?
BlackPengu
Nothing. It get's clean. Print stays
feastmode
Buncha keyboard lawyers bitchin up this whole thread lol. She's not getting sued for that.
Islandace
I thought the same thing. Can't just enjoy the creativity they must complain (though complaining here won't do any good)
BlackPengu
They confuse Berlin with the USA where nothing is possible
thisistheinternetimheretotellliesandarguewithstrangers
Whst kind of paint is it? I wanna try.
sapajmmaam
This is so dumb
Sharkostomy
I don't think I ever realized how beautiful manholes are... That sounds a lot dirtier than what it actually means....
krillin123499
I've been looking at out man hole covers they are so boring all it says on it is sewers with a whole bunch of raised squares. So bland
YourMomIsEverything
Does she also do it with the Stolpersteine, for ultimate cringey disrespect?
YourMomIsEverything
Well, almost - I guess: http://www.emmafrance.de/sites/default/files/styles/high_light/public/raubdruckerin_rom_drain%20cover_printing04.jpg
Leithreas
Just throw ink on everything, that won't mess up anyone's day. Or do they clean it up after, hopefully?
BlackPengu
Who gives a fuck? This is Berlin, not New York. -Berlin based German
sullvane
Thats what I was wondering, what happens to all the run off when it rains. Seems pretty selfish to me
ItGotWorse
Well duh, Berlin hipsters are as narcissistic as any other hipster.
crabbydotca
Neat!
BluePeaSoup
I think it's neat too! People are being a bit critical here.
Tofubutton
Super cool and creative. Actually looks great too
Tofubutton
Real grate ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°
noitsbrad
Wonder if she could replicate the puddle of hobo piss in most corner entrances.
lpooptoomuch
"what's that print on your shirt supposed to be?" "Oh it's an imprint of a manhole"
BlackPengu
I like it. Do you think it looks stupid?
Exactually
I have questions. Does this count as graffiti? Will it confuse the Ninja Turtles?
BoogerDiva
"That spot is kinda brown, I wanted black ink all over" "Ah that's not ink, I rolled a random dog turd as well"
BlackPengu
Fuck off grandpa
BoogerDiva
Fuckin' kids! (Upvoted, phlegm coughed and pulled pants up under my tits)
BlackPengu
"GET OFF ME LAWN" - you prob
BoogerDiva
Shit right, garden hose in hand and all.
BlackPengu
hose down the kids
Andrea527
will it stay once washed?
BlackPengu
It says it will on their webpage
OandS
I was wondering that as well. I'm thinking if she uses screenprint ink (whatever it's actually called) that it should stay reasonably well
GingerGoddess357
It would work if she cured it. Normally thats done with high heat. Maybe its something that air cures?
noveltyanomaly
plastisol
OandS
Thanks!
noveltyanomaly
you are welcome!
TedTheMan
This is grate!
SederHishtalshelus
This is fucking intelligent.
AnExistingBadlyPhotoshoppedPhotoofMichaelCeraEveryday
She's not from Austria is she? I just try to keep an eye on Austrian artists in Germany.
intashu
Cool concept. But literally taking someone else's work for profit.
nommon
It's basically the same as taking a photograph of a building.
iCANdoTHEwave
I mean I would feel dumb for not thinking about this idea. I'd rather have my art be worn than covering some sewer.
intashu
I'd be a little upset if I saw a design I made being sold by someone else without being at least asked or told first..
zFUBARz
To be fair a lot of those manhole cover designs are decades old at least. So you could be dead by the time somebody did it to yours.
UnassumingAscotCap
I agree with your sentiment, but it's being used in a transformative work. Not much different from how letsplayers and streamers use games
Satou44
I don't really see how the work was transformed, unless putting it on a different canvas somehow magically transforms it.
UnassumingAscotCap
It's taking a 3-dimensional cast object and using it as a printing block to apply a design to another medium. That is transformative
brokenbutstillgood
But letsplayers and streamers still credit the makers of the game or at least say they are in no way affiliated with said company so (1/2)
brokenbutstillgood
They aren't sued (2/2)
ifuckinghategifs
sorry but it reminded me of this!
JimNeverHasASecondCupOfCoffeeAtHome
That's awesome, good for her. I hope she makes millions!
BlackPengu
Would you keep a hoodie that dropped on the ground? If the answer is yes, stop crying
Texantioch
who's crying?
BlackPengu
You are. Figuratively.
Texantioch
Crying that I can't get one of these maybe. I'm about this shit.
BlackPengu
Fuuuuck i actually commented the wrong post. Sorry my love! I suck!
BlackPengu
commented the wrong guy, vvv
dontblockyourblessing
????Instead of seeing a woman/person creatively finding a way to make a decent living, all you can do is piss on her/their dreams? Seriously
TheGirlInTheFireplace
Yeah, what happened to this community? Suddenly they're all bitter toxic asshats. : (
BlackPengu
The comments under this post are toxic af
ProfessorExpert
It's almost like anyone with internet can come on here and make a comment....
TheGirlInTheFireplace
This is true. But I am also allowed to find their pessimism toxic.
ProfessorExpert
So if a big ol company takes an artist's work willy nilly and profits from it without consulting the artist you'd be 100% ok with that?
TheGirlInTheFireplace
They do that anyway. lol
InternationalPhoneticAlphabet
it's always been like this, m8
Writingpastwit
Indeed. When someone quilts Van Gogh's Starry Night etc onto a quilt it's cool, but when a street artist takes prints off manholes-THEFT OMG
ProfessorExpert
Gogh died over 100 years ago and his art is public domain.... this comparison doesn't make any sense whatsoever
Writingpastwit
Many of these manhole covers may be headed for antique/public domain status. My point is more about the claims of "derivative" art.
ProfessorExpert
You wouldn't consider this derivative art? She's basically just copying and pasting the manhole straight up
Writingpastwit
Of course they are derivative art. I also think they are a wonderful way to display the unique character of a city.
chowmaster
As a former screen printer, I fucking love this!!
karladiaz101
People acting as if anyone would have noticed the manhole covers' unique designs if it wasn't for her. And it may benefit Them, too
avervetmonkey
3/3 http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2014/03/the-beauty-of-japans-artistic-manhole-covers/ one of many pages online.
karladiaz101
In regards to the link you sent they are basically doing the same,benefiting or not,their actions are still bringing exposure to the designs
karladiaz101
So idk why you’re calling me ignorant when we’re [BASICALLY] saying the same thing
avervetmonkey
People have, actually. I think I heard about someone making a book collecting different designs ages ago, & there are lots webpages re them.
avervetmonkey
i.e. just because you've been ignorant of something doesn't mean everyone else has too.
JamesAHarrod
Making a profit from vandalism?
BlackPengu
Go home grandpa
Mal1t1a
That's a paddlin'
usernumberseven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPnJHY9i7Co
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSmitt
Oh jesus christ those vandals put ink on our precious manhole covers!
Elusivehawk
They poisoned our water supply, burned our crops, and delivered a plague unto our houses!
SarcasticComment
It's annoying. Step on it and you will mark up the sidewalk/roads. Her work makes the area uglier
LeonardKleinrock
Ink is toxic. Think about the fish! Also imagine stepping on that while it's still wet. I hope she cleans them when she is done.
Crawmak
They're ruining our city with their water-soluble manhole ink!
zellar2020
They've painted our rusty manhole! Dear god man call the authorities, I want this rabble contained!
SarcasticComment
Probably not water soluble. That means the shirt would never survive a wash
dukesofhordor
I highly doubt that ink/paint is water soluble considering that fact that it's used to print designs on shirts. They have to be washed lol
hurrayforboobies
This♤♤
ibrokemyselflmao
Eco friendly inks
SirTinyPenis
Go home, hippie!
SarcasticComment
Ink is one of the least "eco friendly" inventions mankind has conceived. Ink is either "shit" or marketed as being "less shit".
Khatvogel
yes fun right? But nono, Berlin is not the only city being printed.... gif stops.
BlackPengu
There is a yt source for that somewhere. This is old as fuck
TheLastSpaceman
She might get sued by foundries who actually paid engineers to design these
dontblockyourblessing
????I seriously doubt that. If anything, others/big biznis would be copying/stealing her idea. I'd be thrilled to buy her 'art work!' ??????
onet12
she doesnt live in the USA, no suing
UmamiMama
But if it's public, then there is no private domain (paid by taxes?). She would have to clean up, of course.
ArtArchive
I'd doubt it, but it does seem kind of douchy to capitalize on someone else's work like this.
ProbablyDrunkAgain
Uh no.
uwantsomelightlyfriedfishfillets
I heard your mom could also be sued
aboriginalmanhoodquest
I'd say it's the negative of the image but that's just me
WardSharlow
It's a positive, reversed.
RICYR0CKS
In the US this would be covered under fair use as this is Transformative use. Which is a relatively new addition to fair use (1/2)
RICYR0CKS
law, having been first raised in a Supreme Court decision in 1994. (Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569 (1994.) (2/3) [bad at this]
RICYR0CKS
A derivative work is transformative if it uses a source work in completely new or unexpected ways. (3/3)
BlackPengu
The city loved the idea actually. After all it's Berlin, not NewYork or some other place with all the wrong rules
LurKaiSen
Nah. It's a "creative medium". There needs to be (depending on country) some form of visible proof that it's a licensed product. If 1/?
LurKaiSen
there is, they can sue her. If not, it's no different than a photographer selling photos of the same things. If the photographer 2/?
LurKaiSen
Photoshopped the image of, say, the manhole cover, to look like it does on the shirt, it could be sold without a lawsuit. 3/4
LurKaiSen
Again, depending on the country and its copyright laws.
ChaosGrinder
This is Germany, not the US. The chance of someone sueing over this are slim.
firebellys
Especially in Berlin.
NighHoon
I don't think it's wrong to try and defend your artwork. That said, I agree that the US is lawsuit-crazy.
ChainmailleAddict
OR - malicious companies altered the public mindset to believe there was an outbreak of "frivolous lawsuits" so people wouldn't sue as much.
TheGirlInTheFireplace
Let ask you this. If she were to take a picture of the manhole and PRINT that picture out, then out that picture on a shirt, would that be
TheGirlInTheFireplace
any different from what she's doing with the ink? No. In fact the ink print is a flipped image so technically she's not doing anything
TheGirlInTheFireplace
wrong. The ink print is technically a different image since it is flipped.
avervetmonkey
The ink makes it more problematic than a photo: She's more likely to get fined, if she doesn't clean up the mess she makes, before leaving.
TheGirlInTheFireplace
Now that's fair, but I'm sure she cleans it up. I'd hope so anyway.
IamJustinSane
If that were the case, every photographer who's ever taken pictures of building, bridges, sewer covers.... could also be sued.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
If you sell your imagery you need a property release. Some buildings are trademarked and you can never sell your image of that or you will
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Sued. The only way you can show it is if it's in a cityscape. Sydney Opera House is Trademarked
GaiusOrpheus
Only if they try to sell the photos. Do you realize how much money the Empire State Building makes on royalties?
RecurringNightmare
only if he starts selling those things, and yes, often times you need a permit for that
Vedar
You have the right to take photos in public, that right does not extend to copyright free usage of anything on the street.
promnitedumpsterbaby
Most of the manholes in the city are over 70 years old some are 100 years old don't think anyone's around to sue her
d0uble0h
You really think the covers they're using are the old ones though?
WardSharlow
It's easy enough to tell. Most of them are dated.
BlendeLabor
You gotta remember, this is Europe. The history goes back thousands of years there, not just a few hundred like the US
chekhonte
I'm wholeheartedly saddened that so many people take copyright law seriously rather than something that should be mocked &then destroyed
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Because I want my art to be respected and respect others art. I agree with copyright law. You can't make money off someone's art without
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Their permission
chekhonte
I think that any non-mass produced work that imitates another work should never be held to copyright laws and thank god for the most part
chekhonte
it doesn't.
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
Not imitates but uses that work.
chekhonte
it doesn't.
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
Public property. Unless the city trademarked the designs (not likely) and actually enforces it on a regular basis (even less likely)...
Kaithar
Actually the more interesting ones probably are trademarked and are definitely copyrighted.
AbeFromanSausageKingOfChicago
...not likely to see any real action, unless she blows up and makes a shit ton of money. Just ask NYC about that whole "I <3" logo
IFuckingLoveGoldenRetrievers
What happened?
lazyboomerang
Or the city, or some environmental group, for the whole dumping ink all over the street thing.
WrongUn
Jesus, can't somebody just do one thing without the threat of being taken to court?? This suing culture we got going on now is pathetic
lazyboomerang
Can't people just behave responsibly without needing to be babysat? Seems not. Lawless losers. Sad.
WrongUn
transferring ink from a drain cover to a t-shirt is hurting no one and not affecting the environment- that's your definition of lawless?
lazyboomerang
My definition is the standard English one: "not restrained by the law". Hurting people is completely irrelevant.
Lierofox
This is why we can't have nice things.
lazyboomerang
Because people irresponsibly abuse property held in common that is meant for the benefit of society at large?
rawdog
wearegoingtobonniedoon
It is actually eco-friendly ink
lazyboomerang
Fair enough. Although, eco-friendly vandalism is still vandalism.
firebellys
It's Berlin, basically graffiti heaven.
wearegoingtobonniedoon
I would say it gets washed away by the rain. Idk. I live in Berlin and actually never saw a manhole cover that was covered in black ink.
smallamountofpeas
Why is this getting downvoted?
canIbethebigspoon
In Ottawa a lady called the fire department to come wash off the vandalism kids were doing. They were drawing with chalk and still playing.
lazyboomerang
So they were defacing public property with chalk? They should be taught that this kind of behavior is not permitted.
Myniggathatwasdeep
People will bitch about anything. If they cant find something they will bitch about not being to bitch. Stop bitching, bitch
lazyboomerang