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So I woke up this morning and read through a lot of social media posts with all this hate towards trump. People rioting, claiming "#NotMyPresident". Well actually since majority of people voted for him, he is your president.
While I'm not here to tell people that they can't have an opinion of Trump, because that would be highly hypocritical of me. What I'm saying is that, the hate towards white people for voting for him is highly hypocritical to those claiming racism to trump supporters.
If you were to replace any one of those tweets with a different race then an all out hell would break loose.
The president doesn't actually have as much power as people believe he does, but together as people we do. So all the hate, racism, and sexism come from our nation as a whole. Spoon fed by the media to believe whatever they think.
As a hairstylist, I get to talk to many people on a daily basis. Although not professional to talk about politics, every person who sat in my chair wanted to talk about politics. So I listened, but did not contribute to the conversation. But as I listened, people told me that they wanted Trump to win because they didn't trust Hillary. And I have become very confused as to why all of a sudden this morning I woke to people acting as though she was a saint and going to save our country.
Back to the main point, I believe Trump as a business man, will help mend America's declining economy. I cannot talk about this with other friends or family members because they strongly dislike Trump.
I'm not looking for upvotes, I am looking for a friendly conversation about politics. Feel free to message me and talk.
madjellyfish
Lmfao ???? 46% of the country didn't vote
DireSteyr
4 years in the future here. Holy shit was that a bad move. America is on the brink
DVSBSTrD
Stop pretending that your opinion doesn't matter. You're entitled to your opinion, you are NOT entitled to the approval of others.
Captainclickbait
It's like saying you prefer explorer .. it's your choice, but still pretty retarded
drickanderson
This is exactly why the polls were so wrong. People were shamed into lying about who they would vote for, by pretty much everybody.
VoodooCactus
The president will, in fact, have plenty of power now that the legislature (and soon the Supreme Court) are republican dominated.
frankthetank404
The majority didn't vote for him. Hillary won the popular vote.
TestAccount321
Imgur has upvoted many racist tweets about minorities (mostly black people), but let's continue to push the idea that minorities are getting
TestAccount321
special treatment, and that's why the silent majority had no choice to vote for Trump
StarryPlough
You voted for a racist and are complaining about people being racist. Pipe down you fucking wankstain
eldridge749
Perhaps it is shame not fear, I don' t care if people vote for Trump by you need to own what you are voting for, isolationism and fear.
nobodiesbusiness
Trump won the electoral vote not the popular vote. Technically Hillary got more votes by individuals than him & majority of US didn't vote
serban1703
Majority of eligible voters did, but you are correct. Neither side did a lot to bring out the vote, which was major 4 and 8 years ago
Mezzenstein
"Majority of people voted for him" Trump lost the popular vote
aykyle
While I agree.. it was by such a small margin, I would hardly call it losing the popular vote.
dfizzle13
By such a small margin that a recount could throw a different result
Kennytarmac
Neither got a majority
Mezzenstein
Yeah it's a plurality vs majority thing
smgbear
I would love to talk, but after reading those Tweets... I have to go die. My wife and kids are not going to be happy, well my kids...
squintobean
Found this on random 4 years later. You vote for trump again? You still feel the same way about him 4 years ago? See how much he fucked up?
ThatsFair
Actually, there are 300,000 more votes for Hillary. Not that I support her either. But the "Majority rules" rule isn't real.
myschweddyballs
As a Canadian, there are 3 things I don't discuss while south of the border - war, religion and politics.
bladderinfection
American here, I do discuss those things and I think we could converse. I don't scream/assert/assume, I listen & respond. +1 my friend.
itsamesupermariomomma
Damn shame the foundation of America was about freedom of religion and having the right to vote. The founding fathers would kick our ass.
Azzreal69
Very smart, i live here and i don't even discuss those things. Mainly just cause they usually digree into arguments. Which is why i -1
Azzreal69
usually comment but dont reply back on here lol -2
doordonotthereisnotriceratops
What if trump built a wall similar to the Great Wall of china? Made it a tourist attraction, put archers on it to keep Mongolians out, idk
MarkRavingMad
doesn't work. South Park tried it.
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juniorman00
To fact check, more people voted for Clinton, Trump received more electoral college votes
EffYourMother
Am I missing something? Last I saw Trump won the popular vote by some 1.2 million.
juniorman00
You did not see that. HRC had over 300,000 more votes, but that does not determine who is elected president
twominutesforhighsticking
Actually, the electoral college doesn't even vote until December 19th. Clinton won the popular vote, Trump has won only pledges, not votes.
juniorman00
Damn you google
ReverendAurora
Those pledges will most certainly make him President, doing anything else would put the EC in an untenable situation going forward.
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twominutesforhighsticking
Yes, they could. It's called a "faithless elector"--it's not exactly rare, but it's not common. I believe there are 21 states that don't 1/?
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laws against it, so those electors would not be punished for voting a different way. However, it's virtually impossible for that many to 2/?
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change their mind and vote Hillary. Had the votes been incredibly close, then I would say it was a possibility.
SaintMaceToTheFace
99% of electors always have voted with their district
exitparadise
Actually. The majority of people voted for Hillary Clinton. But Trump did win. Don't ever confuse the two.
wetling
The majority of people did not vote for him. Hillary won the popular vote.
TheEmperorOfMankind40000
As a quote from my dad "I never tell people who I voted for or my political opinion because I don't care about theirs so they shouldn't1/2
whitter86
just goes to show how ridiculous people can be. /3
serban1703
Just a suggestion, but if you ask someone who they vote for and they tell you, you kinda have to tell them too. It's only courteous.
whitter86
I did tell them. When I didn't respond to her rant about Trump, she assumed I voted for trump. I didn't vote.
whitter86
I asked a friend who she voted for, she went into this whole spiel about voting for Hillary and how Trump was a racist and how it was /1
whitter86
making history for women blah blah blah. When I didn't respond (was busy) she assumed I voted for Trump. I didn't even vote (for reasons) /2
HarryHobo97
That's an honorable idea. Might have to adopt that. Cheers to both you and your father, OP.
HarryHobo97
Yup. You're not OP haha
ReverendAurora
It's wise to talk politics, helps prevent an echochamber situation. But talking about your vote can lead to issues. Be careful with it.
HarryHobo97
As a 19-year-old, no one my age seems to see the difficulty in talking about controversial topics. From who you vote or what your job pays
TheEmperorOfMankind40000
Care about mine" he is all business.
Theresmyothersock
He's a smart man
DVSBSTrD
Well gosh darn, actually treating others the way you want to be treated:
Daevin
Whenever my dad was asked, he'd say "the winner, hopefully", or "I forget", or "one of the people on the ballot". I miss him.
lilwood2
Your pops is a good man
Freeminder
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.
RIPSlurmsMckenzie
Or I would if I hadn't lost my teeth and nails.
barbarianbryan
I request a satanic funeral!
SioulSeRef
Fuckin A. Voltaire for the win.
ADisturbedOne
It calls respect. I respect your choice and hope you'll respect me for mine as well. That is mature thing to do.
Voidspear
-Voltaire
mariapia0815
-Oscar Wilde
Thisishowitsgonnaend
-Freeminder
padgie
-Evelyn Beatrice Hall
MyPatheticUsername
I appreciate that deeply. You are a true American, I wish more people had your beliefs.
wadatahmydamie
I'll defend your right to free speech, but fuck you. You voted for a racist piece of shit. Look. I've got free speech too.
MisleadTruth
I feel Trump will be a pretty okay president. His speech of his success at winning the EC shows how graceful he can be.
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
LoL. That took me a moment :)
serban1703
I think the whole last month shows he can be calm, collected and graceful.
MementoErgoSum
I'll defend your right to live in this country with life, liberty and happiness. Will you defend mine?
MyPatheticUsername
I will proudly defend anyone's life. No one should be belittled or feel hated. In a world built around fear, it's hard to say that. But I
MyPatheticUsername
Truly stand by what I said.
MementoErgoSum
You're a good person. Trump's presidency will need people like you. I'm counting on you.
ChaoticEnigma1121
And yet you voted for a man who's campaign was built on making people feel belittled and hated. Makes a lot of sense.
muenstercheeses
I accept your vote and the outcome of the election but as I've seen other people say to democrats who are scared for the future, get over it
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muenstercheeses
I 100% understand I am scared. Just relaying something that I've been told. I know not the most mature but I'm supposed to just get over it
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muenstercheeses
It's ok she probably would have been just as bad. Let's hope for the best my friend!
cheeseriot
Easy for you to say.
muenstercheeses
Why do you say that?
TimShufflebottom
The fact that you can't even openly admit to voting for Trump due to idiots like the ones you posted shows what's wrong with this country.
partsground
Can't openly admit I'm an atheist for the same reasons, nothing is new. There is violent backlash from trump supporters too ya know.
diehardlance
I feel bad for you when you have to come out to your parents as straight. (Lol sorry thought it was funny)
MoparGoVroomVroom
The fact that OP can't openly admit he voted for trump shows how weak of character OP is.
azazyel
No shit, the guy needs to get a spine.
SoupCanMan
Trump is not special. Some people knew I voted Obama, voted against Scott Walker twice. The shut hurled way was exactly the same. Peoplesuk
doordonotthereisnotriceratops
Fuck, this dudes got top comment
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
Yes. That a large part of the population are convincing themselves they're in danger. I'd agree. That's a pretty big problem.
Betanaut
Well, when the candidate who just campaigned on openly shitting on minority groups, gets elected president, their fears are not unfounded.
cheeseguy3412
As a 33 year old white guy, I HATE trump. Everyone had a vote, and there's no excuse to go after those that used theirs for Trump. 1/2
cheeseguy3412
Everyone has a vote, mine is no bigger than theirs. that's the POINT of voting. Destroying property and screaming is embarrassing us all. 2
KiloElectronVolt
This is why Trump won, too. You should not be shamed for voting for who YOU believe in. It's leading to bad things if it continues.
VultureTX
exactly, far too many people blame what the media tells them too, but don't get that most Deplorables wanted to be heard by their govt.
PaintedSlate
People should feel shame when their actions suck. We just need to have clear evidence for why the action sucks.
PaintedSlate
2. Drawing the line is tough. A vote for Trump is often understandable, but it's certainly not meaningless.
IronicUsername
What bothers me is minorities have been seeing things like this for years, some of them right here on imgur (with upvotes), and nobody [1]
IronicUsername
here ever says "see, this is what's wrong with this country." It's never on the front page. Just post after post highlighting bad [2]
IronicUsername
behavior by minorities or complaining of racism toward white people. You complain of division while telling half of the story. [3]
OJ2021
1. I feel like a lot of the hatred toward white people you're seeing is because there some very racist white people that are hardcore
OJ2021
2. supporters of his, and people ate lumping all Trump supporters in with them. Not saying it's right, but that what it seems like.
smgbear
So two wrongs make a right? Ex. Jim hit me. So I'm going to hit Bill...
cofee
I live in a majority-black area, and I can assure you anti-white racism has existed for longer than Trump has been running for President.
MementoErgoSum
I believe you about anti-white racism. But liberals have leaders who are against racism. I wish the right had leaders against racism, too.
TestAccount321
Perhaps because Trump has been discriminating against black people longer than he's been running for president.
valen00
I think the issue with saying "he's a business man and will fix the economy" is he went bankrupt a bunch of times and if he invested the 1/
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fortune he was given by his father in a hedge fund he would have more money than he has now after his "business man" antics
valen00
giving the rich and big business tax breaks has been policy since regan, it has also lead to wages in america stagnating for 30 years.
valen00
If you look at other countries that didn't do that their real wages have actually increased over that time
valen00
It's that kind of "looking at more than the surface depth" that has been lacking from the trump campaign, however I do hope it isn't a /
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characteristic of his presidency.
MarkRavingMad
His businesses underperformed the S&P by over 1000% over 30 years. He was a terrible businessman.
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MoparGoVroomVroom
Trump is not the 2 in your scenario...Hilary is...look at the numbers of the popular vote. Electoral votes aren't the majority of people
Pullout69
I'm not defending the electoral system. But without it candidates would literally just campaign in NY and Cali.
MoparGoVroomVroom
There's 318mil citizens. There's 60mil in Cali/NY. They would be fools to only campaign there.
Pullout69
318 million citizens, not 318 million voters. I was using hyperbole to illustrate that they would simple concentrate their efforts on ->
PunishMentor
A majority did not vote for him, and I think that might be part of the problem.
StillNotYouTube
If the popular vote mattered, the counts would be very different.
ReverendAurora
Yes, but there's a very valid reason it doesn't go to popular vote. If it did the Reps could rarely win if at all. 1/2
ReverendAurora
Voter density in the cities being mostly Dem would pretty much create a 1 party system.
awesock
But if the majority wants democrats, then why is it okay to subvert that.
ReverendAurora
Because the majority population being disassociated from the rural areas would mean rural areas do not get served as they should.
wizardboy24
I know this is old....But the popular vote has matched the EC vote almost every other time. And we've had a lot of Rep presidents.
PunishMentor
Why does Wyoming have 400k pop and 3 electoral votes and California have 38M and 55 votes?
awesock
You get 2 votes and then 1 for every about 700000 people in your state or 1 if you have less than 700000
adamzeebear
This needs more upvotes, even though I agree with the reason for the electoral college. Representative democracy, republic, etc, etc.
PunishMentor
I like the concept, although I don't full understand it, of what the Brits etc do with coalition governments. Course we'd need to convene>
AdamPick
They bypass the system with a legaly non-binding direct popular vote, that is taken as the gospel, but only when they feel like it.
PunishMentor
A constitutional convention which would be like questioning the godhead of Jesus for many Americans.
DrunkenWeasel
I think the media is going on about Hillary winning the popular vote to stir shit up because they pieces of doo doo.
PunishMentor
Wow, I know Trump railed about the media but you can't blame everything on it... everyone with an Internet connection knows the score>
PunishMentor
>and if you won the popular vote and lost the election you would be pissed too.
RisingPhoenix92
The fact that this has happened twice in recent history is a little irksome
generalcalm
The popular vote is very, very close tho- I think Clinton only has a 0.2% majority there.
awesock
Then she should win. It was close so lets give it to farmers regardless of who really one isn't sound reasoning.
generalcalm
If you dislike the electoral college, then you should lobby to change it.
ChexM8Bro
Yes, the ignorance of people who don't understand the electoral college is a problem.
MMkakashi
I keep saying the electoral college is why Trump won, not by popular vote. Some people keep forgetting that detail. Regardless, 1/2
MMkakashi
I just hope things won't turn as bad as they people might be expecting. 2/2
PunishMentor
Twice in 20 years it happened to the Dems I can understand why they'd be upset. You have to admit if the shoe was on the other foot...
daelith
You mean like when people refer to rural states as "flyover country" that no one bothers to listen to?
wadatahmydamie
Four out of the last five elections have given Dems the popular vote, but Republicans have won 3/5 of those same elections.
dtott07
Agreed. If it happened to Republicans twice they'd be against the Electoral College as well. Doesn't mean it should be popular vote, however
ChexM8Bro
I am sure the GOP supporters would complain. But not me. The strategy for winning the electoral college is completely different than...
ChexM8Bro
For the popular vote. We really have no idea how that would turn out. Would be very interesting to observe, if it ever changes.
Datdudez
Congressional representation is by direct vote. Potus EC is based on that representative number. We don't elect judges, should we protest?
daelith
I've actually listened to someone seriously argue we should be electing SC judges. Personally, I think the senate needs to return to states.
Datdudez
I assume you mean they should physical reside in their state, rather than living most of their time in Washington. If so, I can agree.
wadatahmydamie
The actual problem isn't the EC. It's widespread voter suppression. Voter ID laws, republican-controlled machines and the like.
PunishMentor
The party that created the situation is now in charge off all 3 branches... Washington must be rolling in his grave considering what>>
PunishMentor
>>he said about the danger of political parties.
wadatahmydamie
The actual problem isn't the EC. It's widespread voter suppression. Voter ID laws, republican-controlled machines and the like.
wadatahmydamie
Mind you, this is all stuff that's well-documented in mainstream news sources.
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inboxmefoxes
In fact, it looks like over 2 MILLION VOTES may be his 'majority' deficit.
gracefulvoyage
I didn't see 2million votes anywhere, but did see about 200K votes in most reports; do you have a source for the 2million? Genuine curiosity
inboxmefoxes
Can't squeeze the whole link in there; but there are still millions of votes left to count in Cali, which is a massively blue state.
gracefulvoyage
Just found the ~400,000 vote difference (60,467,601 - Clinton to 60,072,551- Trump)
inboxmefoxes
www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-there-are-more-than-4-million-ballots-1478828215-htmlstory.html
gracefulvoyage
Thank you; did not realize that!
inboxmefoxes
Yar. Obviously, the electoral college makes it moot, and Cali is like... 28 points leaning towards blue, so.
PunishMentor
What a reasonable response +1
ShospleColupis
I didn't vote for Trump. I wish he wasn't elected but I don't think everyone who voted for him is a racist and I don't think most people do.
MMkakashi
Some of those who voted for him aren't bad people. All they want is a real and immediate change and Trump seemed the best choice available.
ObnoxiousArrogantPrick
Now you are in the "Silent Majority"!!! Kudos to you and those like you. We are not all racists, most of us just really don't like Hillary.
IronicUsername
You're not all racists. You're just all willing to accept it.
partsground
Exactly, the Dems lost it and Trump was someone promising change. His supporters are not all racists, by a long shot. I voted vs Him fyi
robotzombies
You vote for who you like, but it doesn't erase the fact that Trump ran on a platform of hatred. A vote for him supports that platform.
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Kuebiko
By the sounds of it you didn't vote for Hillary which makes you wrong lol :-D
Kuebiko
And Hillary ran on a platform of continuing corruption in politics. Anyway, who voted for who they like and not who they hated least.
Helgonet
Might not be a racist, but a vote for one shows your acceptance for it.
Kuebiko
Not when the options are shit or a different type of shit. Id vote for a dickhead over a corrupt politician, Just to make a point.
MementoErgoSum
I respect that. So what will you do when the KKK marches in your town? Will you speak out against it? or do nothing?
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MementoErgoSum
You would what?
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ObnoxiousArrogantPrick
I would stand in front of and with, a person of any color, religion, or sexual orientation were they being confronted for that reason.
MementoErgoSum
Thanks. I hope your friends and neighbors know that about you. They're lucky.
DanielHHH
Well, the majority of people voted against him.
brandsilven
No. Neither candidate got a majority of votes. She had more votes total, but not a majority. And it was a rather small margin, at that.
Datdudez
The majority was apathetic enough not to vote at all.
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
Yeah... Hillary won the popular vote and if you add the (liberal) Green Party votes she'd have won the electoral in MI, FL, and WI too.
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
NB: It's been mentioned that I can't do addition and this is actually not true for Florida.
only90skidswillgetthis
Check your math, that's just not true. Even if you assume all greens would vote dem and ignore that way more people voted for libertarian.
only90skidswillgetthis
For example, Trump won Florida by about 120k votes. Greens got about 60k. Libertarian got 200k.
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
*Checks numbers* Oh. I missed a digit. Sorry to waste your time. It does still hold true in Michigan and Wisconsin, though. (1/2)
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
The assumption is that if it were only the two main parties, that the highly liberal Green Party base would have voted democrat, (2/3)
SmellingThePsychosphere
Ooh, you can do that???
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
My point was that if the liberal Green Party voters didn't vote third party Hillary would have won. We don't know how libertarians (1/?)
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
would have voted, but we can reasonably speculate that voting democrat would have been their choice of Jill hadn't run. (2/3)
ServantOfTheGodEmperorOfUsersub
So that was one of many factors that can be said to have cost the Democrats the election. There are others, but they're less quantifiable.
EqualEquines
That's not the point. No one should be afraid of admitting who they voted for.
IHateHumanInteraction
Seeing that OP stated the majority voted for Trump, it's relevant. I do agree that no one should fear admitting who they voted for. 1/2
EqualEquines
It's true he mentioned that, but that's still not the main point of the post
IHateHumanInteraction
Violence is never the answer (although Trump condoned violence against protesters...) 2/2
ChloePrice
I dunno, if a candidate's a genuinely horrible person then there are some implications when you vote for them, no?
Datdudez
Ya, but we're talking about people that voted Trump.
EqualEquines
No, nothing worth being afraid to admit it in a democratic Republic built on the ideal of freedom
ChloePrice
Well if Hitler ever arises from the dead I'll come back to you
HatsAreEssential
Depends on whether they're genuinely horrible or not. A lot of Trump's hate speech in videos was actually edited to sound bad.
HatsAreEssential
He usually followed up racist sounding remarks with praise for that same race, and an assurance that he doesn't blame them all for mistakes.
HatsAreEssential
Then all you do is cut the good bit and overlap the cheering at the end onto the bad bit, and you make him & his supporters look awful.