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Nirnias
I love the pissed off look he has throughout, to emphasis he thinks the baldy and his company are morons.
HuffinMuffin
Always upvote Hans Rosling
RofloIogist
Always up vote Hans Rosling. Going back up to read.
HelgaBliegle
It's so strange how easy it is to talk about tragedy in casual conversation and how weird it sounds to share good news.
chrishallett83
Hans Rosling is a fucking boos among bosses. The dude knows his shit.
upthehillandtotheright
Fucking yes we need this in America
wzzt
A 6th of the world doesn't have electricity, a 9th has no clean water, and 1/4th doesn't have modern sanitation. That's no small number.
Smutstasche
Hans Rosling is an amazing savage. Look at his TED-talk about world statistics.
mearas
He is the best.
GentlemanScientist
It's not so much that he's savage, it's just that he never makes an argument that he can't back with incontroversial facts.
tapetkabinett
That's pretty dope tho
koot4
back when ted was worth watching
GentlemanScientist
Congratulations, you are now officially old.
koot4
shit didn't know that being 25 is old
deskspud
And everyday there is wisdom and courage is everywhere, take heart
beechSco
His point is a little muddled. News companies aren't there to give you a constant, overall picture of Nigeria. They're there to tell (1/2)
beechSco
you what has happened in a specific place at a specific time. His example would be like CNN covering the Boston bombings but then (2/3)
beechSco
concluding it all by saying "but that's irrelevant because the US is still the richest country in the world." (3/3)
starlard
Did you duplicate that picture just to see if we were paying attention?...
BecauseCanadian
It wasn't even duplicated! The angle changed, so it's likely the screenshots were taken right after each other
inboxmeyourfoods
I read it twice like they were arguing.
ShowMeYourButtonhole
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trampled
saw the face. chuckled. read the username and loled. How did you make it to the comment section on a post like this?
ShowMeYourButtonhole
Perseverance and hard work.
ThisIsSpaceballsTheUsername
I thought OP did it twice because it was at the peak of the debate and wanted to let us know shit is about to get real but im wrong a lot
MIIKKAAEL
I'd like to point out the fact that Hans Rosling is speaking swedish and the other guy danish and they seem to have no problem 1/2
MIIKKAAEL
understanding each other. I mean they're similar languages but damn I couldn't do that. 2/2
NoCountryForYoungWomen
I saw him on a Dutch TV show explaining how the population isn't growing by childbirth, but actually because people are getting older.
fourohsevenseven
Hans Rosling holds nearly God-like status here in Sweden.
tapetkabinett
Well he DID until he said he doesn't disagree with what Sverigedemokraterna has been saying for years. Suddenly the media started hating him
fourohsevenseven
Must've missed that.
brightintempas
Poverty is not so black and white. In Kenya everyone has a cellphone, even if they only have a dirt floor.
waevski
Well sure, phones are a lot cheaper than flooring.
ri59
Common in most 3rd world countries. Some areas are modern, some dirt floor. Most have a cell phone and access to tv.
AGrammeIsBetterThanADamn
I bet some of them even have refrigerators.
AllHailCthulhu
True - and they use their cell phones for secure, p2p and p2b payments eliminating cash and increasing security
Robvp
They are trying hard to introduce phone p2p payments here in Mexico, hasn't picked up yet due to the general population distrust of banks
dikepancake
I just traveled in Colombia for a month and unlike in Finland they had free wifi almost everywhere and it worked great!
Robvp
We have a lot of free wifi spots here in Mexico too, most will ask you for your info to login, payphones also provide pay per-day wifi
dikepancake
I still think that an internet connection that is free is something that more people should get
onnani
I was staggered by the 3g cell reception in Columbia. 3km altitude on a mountainside; full strength. Across the valley - blinking red dot.
SharkTurnip
That's less about poverty than it is about ignorance, really.
whatseventhepointt
That isn't ignorance at all. Ignorance is not knowing. Making a choice to have a phone instead of a wood floor is a choice.
Pepperanney
Phones cost a lot less than a wooden floor though, and phones meet immediate needs, nowadays the phone is prob more essential than the floor
stupidfuntime
A hard packed dirt floor is easy to clean and doesn't break. With a phone you can keep in contact with friends, work, and use the Internet.
GreetingsPrograms
Some say the world is doing great while others say the judgement day is coming... While statistics may prove not everything is as bad as (1)
GreetingsPrograms
we think, the truth is that there are ton of things wrong with this world that need to be taking care of.
Curiousone545
Yes, but the entire planet is statistically better off than we've ever been in history- more people fed, less poverty, less fighting/war etc
theplayahaterball
Sure. But if we only make situational assesments without considering trends the world will always be in a bad state while possibly (1)
theplayahaterball
overlooking opportunities for improvement. To clarify, a "perfect" (how ever defined) state is utopian. If we look at aspects of the (2)
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direction the "vessel" is headed. (end)
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the positive development, which is all one can ask for and work on. Not the ultimate or current state is relevant, only the current (4)
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world and compare the observed status quo to the utopian ideal state we will always find it lacking. At the same time we may not see (3)
Duros62
So what are the apples for?
IsoPropylPotatene
I have no idea if the other guy is correct, but in these segments he uses them to represent the economic statuses of people.
ImprovedLoungewear
the apples were a visual aid for a statistical example of immigrants vs. total population, different part of the interview
Iusedtoreadimagecomics
They are for throwing at doctors to keep them away.
twlcorinthian
in case they got hungry?
RufusTheAardvark
For comparing to oranges of course.
MyRegularAcctIsntAnonymousEnough
do you want to banned from tv? cuz that's how you get banned from tv. truth doesn't sell
ihazanaccount
tv is now finally slowly becoming more and more obsolete he might get banned from tv but not the internet.
Gawky
that is from Danish state television, they often try to be objective
Kroesus
It's DR (Denmarks Radio), they don't have a single commercial and have 0 products they need to sell. Not a single one.
Sakkura
DR1 still panders, to get viewers. But this is from DR2.
Kroesus
Sure they compete with TV2, but they don't have to. Viewership generates 0 income.
MyRegularAcctIsntAnonymousEnough
2…message. from bbc across europe n sadest of all, american outlets do it willingly
MyRegularAcctIsntAnonymousEnough
radio so advanced that it's got pictures! what'll they think of next?! but the state news 'curb' views that are counter to the progressive…
AnimeHolocaust
It's funny because most of imgur gets their news from a left-biased image sharing site.
taspac2002
Even funnier is that most people here rationalize their unwillingness to procreate with overpopulation in Africa.
tanebou
Honestly never seen someone do that here. Also doesn't matter. If I don't want kids it's my business. No one else should give a fuck.
taspac2002
It's constantly brought up whenever someone says they don't want to have any children. Every single time.
tenderape
There are news on here?
TroubledTotodile
Part of me wants to agree with this but I can't. It's just too dismissive, the media isn't the most trustworthy but shit still happens.
Immaletchufinishbutno
facts always exist, it's how the media chooses to analyze the facts to draw conclusions are what he's attacking. his shoe is not him.
RufusTheAardvark
Depends on where and how far he expects to walk.
ihazanaccount
yes but the amount of shit that is happening is slowly and steadily declining.
Lezio
This all seems very interesting and important but I'm somewhat drunk so I'll just favorite it and maybe read it never.
HenryDorsettCase
this is so fucking me right now, too. :D
tenderape
Oh behave!
Talligan
Nigeria was a bad example. Ongoing conflict with boko haram has taken a huge toll. Homosexuality is illegal ...
Gawky
only for a small percentage, its doing fine 'in general'
Immaletchufinishbutno
ignoring social issues - he's referring to how their population grows, economy flourishes, life overall improves. perfectly makes his point.
Danishlmgurian
Yet again, not showing the whole picture, but focusing on the things he deem important at the moment.
Heavymettle
His point is how misconstrued the news is and showing the examples that combats it. He isn't declaring it a paradise.
NeoHelios
Bureau of Labor Statistics. Census.org. CIA Factbook. Learn how to use the numbers, and read between the lines. The world is not ending!
LowFlyingToaster
Go to red.com and search for him, Hans Rosling. He has a few videos that explain this, and they are pretty entertaining, too.
SinbadtheSoldier
Did you mean Ted.com?
FarNorthFarLeft
IMF & UN? I feel confident that they don't have an "agenda" but I'm not confident they can accurately compile & disseminate that much info.
StarlessSky
They can, though. Managing info like that is the main thing those kinds of organizations do. How else could they justify themselves?
thyarmageddon
This right here is another problem with humanity these days. "Oh, you have facts? Well I bet they have an agenda bias behind them!"
RufusTheAardvark
If your facts come to you by way of liars, idiots or both, it tends to compromise their factiness.
thyarmageddon
Same goes for denial of facts.
RufusTheAardvark
Well see that's the thing: if it's derived from questionable data from an unreliable source, there's no fact to deny.
graehall
This particular exchange comes off as pretty disingenuous on his part, unless there's a broader conversation I'm missing. He's omitting hard
Mimsey
I leave imgur for weeks, come back, first dumb comment I run into is graehall. Read Better Angels of our Nature. All stats are improving.
Mimsey
As in war, assault, murder, theft, hunger, poverty, disease, etc, is ALL in sharp decline, globally. Yet the news is 90% negative.
graehall
Yay! My fan club is back, and first thing in, is to pretend I'm stupid and ignoring something well known :~)
PrincessCheesyWieners
cocks.
theplayahaterball
@graehall - What is being omitted in the conversation? He points towards underreporting of positive change. Not to mention negative (1)
theplayahaterball
supporting his argument (My simpelton understanding: Media reports focus to much on bad stuff and too little on good stuff) it is not (4)
theplayahaterball
the argument, which IMHO in this case it does not. [Sry, I had time at my hands] (end)
theplayahaterball
source or citation at hand to back me up on this, but I say the medias focus on negative events is common knowledge. It can not be (6)
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disingenuous (his argument would not be negatively affected by stating it, and not positively affected by not stating it). And I have no (5)
theplayahaterball
expected of a speaker to reaffirm everything to avoid to be accused of (lying by) omission. Only if the omitted would negatively affect (7)
theplayahaterball
events would only be omission they would not be reported on. His argument is based on the premise that negative events ARE reported (2)
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*if
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on. Sure, he could give examples of negative events the media has reported on to solidify his premise, but since he "omits" data (3)
Shandonstout
To be fair though there is awful injustice in the world
yay4me
And there is absolute beauty, too. It's just easier to be outraged.
tapetkabinett
Yeah, that's why we have nations. Some nations are just better at becoming, well, good countries.
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
So? There's no such thing as justice. Not really.
SharkTurnip
Not any injustice that affects us in any relevant manner, that is.
DukeTritus
Ah, yes so much injustice. I prefer bowing down and paying taxes to my local feudal lord rather than endure the corruption of today.
Shandonstout
The world isn't getting better it is as violent and corrupt as ever, if not more so (google rhe myth of progress)
niel0823
Do you have any data at all to support that? Nearly every study that looks at crime statistics shows that violent crimes and corruption 1)
niel0823
are trending downwards. While the world may not be perfect, its abundantly clear that the world is far better than than 100 years ago.
Shandonstout
It is not abundantly clear that the world is far better off than 100 years ago. MAYBE if you're western it feels like it's better.
Pinklestein
And in the animal world as well..
ihazanaccount
it's slowly slowly slowly getting better though.
ICouldGoForSomePie
Well yeah, the guy isn't saying that doesn't exist. He is saying that that isn't the only thing that exists, there is also good in the world
Kabba
But it has gotten better. Thats the point. People don't see the progress because they only view the world through media.
Shandonstout
How has it gotten better?
ozjuggler
Try reading the captions.
ElectricFortune
But there's the least amount of injustice than there has ever been in world history right now. Which is his whole point.
Shandonstout
I disagree
IsoPropylPotatene
Yes but everyone focuses on that. What this man is proposing is something I very much needed to hear, and few people talk about.
Yodaloid
Hear hear
Biomeat
If we dont focus on it how can we fix it? How does that guy think those problems have been fixed? Because of people paying attention
Shandonstout
We're you sad that bad things happen so you needed to hear something nice
Jokesterwild
In Canada we have the cbc they do lots of positive stories.
QuasarsAndBlazars
While its important to see the good in the bad, I believe it is much more important for the bad to be reported. If its exposed we can help
theplayahaterball
I think you are critically missing the point. This is not about the good in the bad, this is about substential positive change in regions(1)
theplayahaterball
in (metaphoric) hell, and it is bad news if a negative trend can be seen in paradise. But this is not how (most) media operates. (3)
theplayahaterball
of the world which are portrayed as steadily declining. The status quo is irrelevant. It is good news if a positive trend can be seen (2)
IsoPropylPotatene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M8s2Y2zbsU the original. OP posted some of the events out of order. Indeed he cannot be trusted.
DanteLidge
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CPatricoo
"These facts are not up for discussion. I am right and you are wrong."
Jarogers326
Is this some special kind of news program? As an American, I've never seen a caster let someone else talk, even in interviews.
Bogcom
As a dane, I shutter every time I hear what passes for political discourse in the US. Fox news is basically "yell louder"
chifondo
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PandoraWraith
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stabmasterarsondamc
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shinyRK9
oh, thank GOD, he's not american...
TheVakarian
Why would that matter?
Framperton
He's a moron, that's all the reasoning he needs.
UncleBuckk
Why dont these arrogant Danes learn English so that i can understand them!
yogoo0
Dot of pride
danieldaishiro
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Brotzbertz
Interested in his bigger point. There is a point there but it's also important and more so to report on conflict.
FourDeathSavingThrows
Okay, so I tried following what the man in the grey coat was saying in Danish subtitles... That language looks damn hard to speak or read!
Framperton
Yes. I too think foreign languages are hard to read or understand. What an epiphany.
nostalgium
It's easy enough to read, but it's infamously hard to follow when spoken.
mellamogringo
The only problem with this I speak English, but I don't know any Danish
MonkeyHittingPianoDramatically
Danish anf swedish* Hans rosling is swedish
DenimBeard
Subtitles are fairly decent
mellamogringo
Turned on the captions and it solved the problem
DidItForScience
Danish is a small baked glazed pastry, usually with some kind of fruit/jelly or cream cheese center.
Hedningen
Are you suggesting we start calling it Daneshian?
Meqad
TIL I'm a small baked glazed pastry, with some kind of fruit/jelly or cream cheese center.
Loopten
That's a chihuahua
tenderape
It amuses me it was possible to get so much wrong when foreigners first tried making something so simple.
DidItForScience
Hmm? What do you mean?
tenderape
The whole cream cheese thing. I've never seen a 'danish' with cream cheese.
Byrhtnoth
He has an awesome TED Talk from around 2006. "The Best Stats You've Ever Seen" Showed it to my students this afternoon.
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brownfedora
His was the first TED video I ever saw and got me hooked on them
Showmeyourfunnies
As a stats professor, commenting for later use.
EveryoneDownVotesMyEverything
See if you can find "the joy of statistics" by this guy, it was on the abc a few years ago, an absolute treat!
Swingolio
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AutisticChiaki
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DanielRX2
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theplayahaterball
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Yodaloid
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mikeatike
Back when TED was awessome. Hans Rosling is amazing.
undeadcadaver
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Trottski
The magic washing machine is also a good ted talk by him
MadDogMorgan
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MaxKlemens
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PulpFreeNonFiction
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barnwolf
Really pissed I had to google this. Here all you lazy bums. https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen
circa1984
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stabmasterarsondamc
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RodneyAChance
Had to click on that plus sign and drag all the way here to find this and now click AGAIN to watch?
ifmusicbethefoodofloveplayon
This lazy bum thanks you.
mostlywishingwelltomostofyou
Thanks.
jumpercat
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BananaSwallower
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TroyOssie
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LactoseFairy
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qazxswedcvfrtgbnhyujmkiol
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ChadRadwell
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ge0rd1eb4lls
"These facts are not up for discussion. I am right and you are wrong." - Saving that for later!
kungfugoldfish
I think his face is what makes it better.. that man has deadpan down to an art.
GentlemanScientist
Just make sure that your facts are truly facts beforehand.
EmoryToss17
Too often people use that quote without actually having followed the instructions in panel 3.
likeimfromcorklike
Just because he is right, doesn't make the other person wrong here though.
PandaRomez
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Bivorski
Unfortunately, people these days have a very hard time grasping the idea of facts.
TheMightyCock
You need to save that last image for effect
JesusCrossProduct
Opinions, however...
skilleras
in swedish: http://www.onewaycommunication.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/rosling.jpg
ostiniatoze
I only noticed recently that Swedish Chef as human hands, and it has honestly blown my goddamn mind.
PhatEarth
The crumbs better be quiet when the cake is talking. - Sounds better in my native tounge
NateintheNorth
The truth does not care if you believe it or not. You can argue it til you die, won't change it.
softballguy
Ultimate mic drop.
Panzer89
#12 is pretty good too.
Akratus
I have a feeling that that line is going to be misused a lot.
jsktrogdor
I have a feeling that line is going to be correct a lot.
mabbo
I knew a very religious guy in high school whose been using that line for years.
Isignedupforonecomment
All depends on whether your facts are truly right or not, but yeah, cocky SoBs will probably use it even with false evidence on their side.
silentmasturbator
please don't ever say that. It's the quickest way to make someone disregard your facts whether valid or not.
plactoid
In honest debate, eh. To a wall, yeah.
GABRG3
Unless you're Hans Rosling....
rossimus
Funny thing about certain facts: they're factual whether or not they are disregarded.
DrYoloMcSwagmasterIIIEsq
But people claim falsities as facts and misuse facts to jump to incorrect conclusions.
ArmorcladCowboy
I've had a professor do that once when I started poking holes in his argument. Sad thing is he was one of the better professors I've had.
GentlemanScientist
That has always bothered the shit out of me. I am right, I have the facts that prove that I'm right and people go "LALALA CAN'THEARYOU"
doodledraft
Problem is people do that with facts too, "HERE'S THE FACTS THAT SUPPORT ME AS i SEE THEM LALALA NOT UP FOR DISCUSSION I'M RITE UR WRONG"
GentlemanScientist
"Facts as I see them" are not, in fact, facts.
mieuu
Reminds me of "The great thing about facts is that they're true regardless of whether you want to believe them or not."
killyourown
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DorkJedi
A staple of any discussion with a creationist.
youshouldbuyarowingmachine
https://youtu.be/jT6h2CUWLzQ?t=14
RandomAbscessMemories
The difficulty is that facts can be true but misleading. For instance, the oft-quoted "Most peaceful era since the 40's" includes WWII which
RandomAbscessMemories
was very far from peaceful. It skews the statistics heavily. (thinking further I think it was "least killings" not "peaceful")
iliketosaysomethingandthenjustbanana
Original comment is better imo. The word "these" is really important. Because some facts get debunked in time. e.g. "the world is flat"
Falanxzealot
Except there was nothing even slightly factual about that statement. It was an assumption based upon ignorance. That's not a fact.
iliketosaysomethingandthenjustbanana
Excuse me, that maybe wasn't the best example. But you do understand what I'm saying don't you?
GraphicsInterchangeFormat
Yes. Sometimes facts (the consensus) changes because of new evidence. The only thing we can do is to admit our faults an move on.
eyeofthepanda
"These facts are not up for discussion. I am right and you are wrong." -Every religion ever.
BillyMaysHereWithOxiClean
Your neckbeard is showing.
CPatricoo
Wow this is totally about religion! Better make comments about it on Imgur! Thatll show the world! HAHAHA THAT DID IT ATHEISM RULES!
TresusIbor
And with my upvote, you now have more points than him. Do with that what you will.
MachineGunJeanMaurice
Except there are very few verifiable facts in religion.
eyeofthepanda
Try reading a Bible some time. Its *full* of facts.
eetsumkaus
except even among Christians people debate what it means? Paul even encourages debate of the texts so long as it's academic...
eyeofthepanda
Same with science. There is always interpretation of results.
GentlemanScientist
I'm sorry you got downvoted but I guess you already know that sarcasm doesn't translate well into text.
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eyeofthepanda
That's a dangerous assumption. Science has been wrong many times. Assuming things are dogma gets in the way of progress.
QuasarsAndBlazars
The evidence for such things is virtually insurmountable. Evolution happens, its a fact. The origin of such is debateable but evolution isnt
vxjedi
Science has been wrong, and admits that at times it will be wrong, that's the point of science. It's the exploration of everything we know
eyeofthepanda
No it doesn't. Science isn't a person. It can't admit anything. *People* can be wrong, and often pride prevents admitting it.
vxjedi
Perhaps I worded that badly. What I meant was that the very essence of science, is the exploration of knowledge. When doing so, we will try
vxjedi
by trial and error, and other tests. But some things in science are indisputable, based on the fact they've been observed countless times
vxjedi
for what they are. Evolution is one of these many indisputable things. Climate change is another. So on and so forth.
mmmcarrotcake
That's not how the scientific method works though. That's why creationists and the like feel they have an argument. There are no "facts" 1/2
pandasmakemehappy
To be fair, a lot of people who worship science like the new tickle me elmo / furby / etc don't get that either.
mmmcarrotcake
in science. If more information is presented, theories are revised or expanded. Problem is people don't understand what a theory actually is
ChronologicalMyopia
There are facts in science, empirical evidence can be treated as fact. Gravity is a fact, the theory that explains it is not.
eyeofthepanda
Gravity doesn't exist. Just distortion in space time. Science!
ChronologicalMyopia
So by your own example you've given evidence of the general lack of understanding of how it works. You claimed understanding yet did not.