EzekielJonesTheLibrarian
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Hello Imgurian.
One thing I have learned over the years of browsing and laughing in imgur is that the community is awesome. You give the support for all the right causes and reasons. I've seen and heard so many stories of support, encouragement , and even advise. So I have decided to share my story with you. If you have any advice, I'd appreciate it.
A little over a year ago my mom was diagnosed with stage 4 ovarian cancer with surgery, chemo, and occasional trips to the ER had really impacted my finance and phd studies. With life circumstances, I've decided to shift to be a part time phd student and look for a full time job. Within my search, I found, interviewed, was offered, and accepted my dream job - to be a Makerspace Manager at a University.
My studies and research revolves around academic makerspaces and I have a strong background in setting up and managing different maker equipment (3D printers, laser cutter, CNC routers, hand tools, 2D and 3D designing, and more); developing equipment operation and safety procedures so the equipment are approachable to students of all level of skills; creating and conducting workshops on different tools; and mentoring, consulting, and collaborating with students, staff, and faculty on all kind of projects. This background has made me a strong candidate for the position.
The position was at a really prestigious university. The top university in the US and the world. As the manager of the makerspace, I was asked to build a 'new' open access makerspace for the University, accessible for all student, staff, and faculty. This was my dream job.
When I was interviewing for the position there was one detail that seemed like a red flag. But I didn't realize the red flag was more blood red and would be the cause of so much trouble, stress, depression, anxiety, and harassments. And two weeks ago, it gotten to a boiling point and now I have lost all my passion and motivation for the job.
A little background of the Makerspace. The Makerspace "existed" before I got hired. But during that time it was only used by one professor who taught a makerspace course within the Makerspace. The Makerspace is situated within an academic unit/center where we offer programs, courses, and minors around deisgn thinking, entrepenurship, and innovation. This professor, which I will be addessing as BZ, is a professor in the engineering deparment and is a hired teaching faculty for the center. But over the years he had very little interferrence from the center and left autonomously on the course and the makerspace. He would buy equipments without checking with our center, facilities, or with EHS (enviornment, Health, and Safety) department. Would go over budget regularly. and demand thing be done how he wanted - if he got a 'no' from the staff he would go to a different staff or higher up and demand that he 'needs' it and get a yes one way or another. Becasue of this he has ownership mentally of the space. That has grew into him thinking and acting as if I work for him and for 'his makerspace'.
There is a lot more about BZ, but I will leave it there for now.
To the event of what happened. One day one of his TA's brought in a box of a new embroidery machine. I had no idea or was communicated that the current emboridery machine was broken or he was going to buy one on his own. Then told his TA to set up both embrodiery machine (the new one and old one) - dispite our university being one of the top univeristies the makerspace's space is limited, so we can't add a new equipemnt without planning. This is something I have been working on from day one and trying to make the space flow better work space and safety, but I have constantly being blocked by BZ - Dispite BZ pulled somthing like this multiple times in the past few months, I kept my professionalism and sent the following email to ask him to keep me in the loop of purchaing equipments and if he could remove the old machine because we need to be wise about the space. Then the following was his response.
My email to BZ.
The blacked out name is the AI's name
The reply I got back from BZ.
The blacked out name is my supervisor.
I was in shock. I've developed a level of anxiety when I hear him walking down the hall (He clips a pile of keys on this pants, so you here the keys where ever he is walking). For a week, I've isolated myself in a different empty office at work, so I don't encounter BZ at school. I'd hoped that this would be the last straw for my supervisor and Director of the center, but when they had the meeting with BZ a week after the email exchange - nothing was resolved or lines drawn. I have been told, for now, we are going to do what BZ wants.
From what I have been told around the department who has worked with him directly or with some capacity can tell similar offensive, unprofessional, and behavior of harassment. This has been a regular behavior of his. To him all staff is underneath him and he gets to do whatever he wants. This lack of regulation and management from the department and school comes form the fact that he has been a faculty at the university since 79, he is well liked by other faculty members, and he does well with alums and donors. Our school is rich, rich people donates a lot of money to the school. I am learning the School is more interested in making faculty happy who brings in money through the donors.
I don't know what to do. I don't know how I can keep working with someone when they are not my supervior or within the leadership of the center to manipulate and do whatever they want. It seems like my superviors, the deparment, or school can't or will not do anything drastic becasue BZ is well connected. From stories I've heard, there was nothing drastic done to him when he done the same thing or worse to other staff memebers. My depression has really kicked in the past week. My motivation for my passion has been snuffed out. I've started looking for a new job, there is one that looks really good, wish me luck.
If you have any thoughts or advise, I will take them.
TL;DR Got my dream job of being the Manager of a university makerspace. A professor verbally attacked me for doing my job. Triggering my depression and anxiety and lost my passion for my work. Hopeless becasue he is well connected in the school.
3D printed Flexi-rexi (with my keychain hole addition) tax
(Flexi-Rex are my favorite things to print)
update. 12/13/2022
https://imgur.com/gallery/AjOejfo
WesVTX
Ignore him and document everything. Only communicate via email. BZ is a bully. Do your job and re-find your love for it.
rumandbass
I understand your anxiety with confronting this person but it must be done. Go to his boss and show him the email.
fuckyouimatank
The problem is your boss as much as him. You need to have the support so you can push back on any inappropriate actions.
LittleIrishTurnip
If a job costs you your peace, it’s not worth it to stay. I wish I had learned this sooner. The wounds get so deep. Run.
CuntCrotchula
#3
jstarlen
Schools have to cater to donors: no money = no program. Can you get more involved in marketing & public engagement? Rethink your role..(1/?)
jstarlen
...as becoming the face of the Makerspace, not managing it behind the scenes. Hold new programs. Generate interest. Outrecruit BZ.
ChihuahuaCommander
Lost my job just before Thanksgiving. Now I'm working on lowering my bills so that I can make it on WFH tutoring, work on writing (1/2)
ChihuahuaCommander
And illustrating children's books, and spend time with my grandma, who has terminal lung cancer. I'm nervous bc I've always had a 9-5
allihearisnoise
Re: depression/anxiety, start writing down everything that you have done to succeed to get to that role. Don't let that cunt drag you down
ricbri695
Speak to your boss immediately. Be clear that you need his support or you will be unable to do your job. Ask what steps will be taken 1/2
ricbri695
Follow up with email to boss recapping conversation and cc yourself. Document everything. Hopefully your boss has some clout and balls. GL.
edwardsaladfingers
Your university should have an ombud’s office. They can confidentially listen/counsel you on how to deal or escalate the issue. 1/n
edwardsaladfingers
I have also worked in high charged university settings. Personalities do not change, but your response to them can. You sound quite 2/n
edwardsaladfingers
Professional. In uni settings, bad behavior from fac rarely is dealt with effectively. Keep being a positive member of the community but
edwardsaladfingers
Don’t be afraid to look around for other jobs. Find a place which will value, support, and nurture you. It’s not always going to be a uni
edwardsaladfingers
Setting. Their behavior is a reflection of them, not you. Try to not internalize. You got this.
edwardsaladfingers
End of transmission.
LetheTheArtificer
Stand your ground! This is the last line you have to hold for your dream job so fight for it. This rando vs. job happiness? Easy decision!
ojioni
If you are the manager, you decide. If you get in trouble for doing your job, you were never the manager.
ojioni
The university should back you up when you manage the space. But the only way to find out is to exercise your authority.
AVOToastt
When you can’t be openly aggressive, passive is fine. Be 100% positive and pleasant, and when something new mysteriously appears +
AVOToastt
Throw it out, or use it however you want. Change the locks for the room, if you can.
AVOToastt
Get locks for the machines, chain them to their locations and say it’s for security
EMTsaidwhat
Document everything, and collect harassing emails from othe remembers of the staff. 3 or more ppl involved starts actionable convos.
TheDevilInForeignArmor
If on paper you have the authority, then you have the authority. Institutions tend to run on bureaucracy, record everything and 1/2
TheDevilInForeignArmor
CC the right people on emails with and from him. People like this thrive on 1 v 1 situations, make him fight in front of others.
shuttlecockinakumquat
TL;DR. Lower your expectations.
swooniegirldragon
Congrats on breaking your asshole prof cherry.Theyre everywhere in academia. You dont have to put up with this. Document. Document. Document
macgerdo
"The top university in the US and the world." Of course, of course.
Bystandr
Call a meeting and have your department head chair it. Bring this and ALL details forward and explain how his behavior will create a toxic
Bystandr
environment in WRITING, submitted to department head, CC copying everyone in the meeting , and at the bottom, detailing 4 points you want to
Bystandr
discuss: first ) This situation, second) how it will create a toxic space for ANYONE third) that you would like to be able to ask
Bystandr
operational questions as your job duties will suffer otherwise as you are supposed to be co-running the makerspace and finally 4th) some
Bystandr
cursory summarized ideas you have to address the problem. ALL OF THIS WRITTEN AND CC'd **BEFORE** the meeting. Your department head in CC.
Bystandr
This will prevent his premadonna domination, and check his behavior and not let him talk over you or put words in your mouth. Make sure to
benniiii
I have worked with professors before and they got the biggest ego for no fucking reason. They’re full of BS- call him out.
benniiii
For example,they try to force me to do their work because they don’t understand how technology works (blackboard). It is literally their job
benniiii
To learn about how to deploy and use their software. And they’re getting paid for it. But yeah they to bully students to do their job
EzekielJonesTheLibrarian
Exactly. an example is he is so attached to a 10-year-old 3D scanner because it was the top of the line when he bought it.
EzekielJonesTheLibrarian
So he is constantly blocking me from removing it.
BigTex1
@op, tell BZ: “Thank you for your input, you have 48 hours to remove this equipment. As a reminder, I do not report to you nor do you >
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BigTex1
That or just tell him to eat a bag of dicks, whichever is easiest.
Leithreas
If you are willing to leave, there may be freedom in dealing with him like the spoiled brat he is. Stay professional, but take no shit.
Leithreas
Get clarification on if he is your supervisor. If he isn't, tel him it isn't his makerspace if he oversteps. Draw your line.
Leithreas
File official complaints if he sends an unprofessional note like that again. Sometimes nothing gets done because no one reports properly.
Leithreas
I would guess your position was filled partly to deal with him. Discuss with your supervisor, then be a professional and rock it.
DoctorGonzo37
This folk right here.
CorneliusTunt
The optimist in me says to be the acorn that grows into a tree that breaks the boulder in half. The realist says to formally document
SenfinaZeit
Realist me says petty revenge is cathartic because life isn't always fair.
CorneliusTunt
every little incident and encourage everyone else to do the same, in the hope that the majority can hold sway. The a-hole in me thinks it
CorneliusTunt
would sure be a shame if they lost some of those prized donations to a suit related to a hostile work environment blessed by the school
CorneliusTunt
And for what it's worth...flexi rexi is pretty damn cool.
MightyMile
Dear BZ, I can promise I will never speak to you the way you just wrote to me. Please do not do so again. Best Regards, EJTL
MightyMile
This email sent just to the professor getting saucy via email resolved the problem. She responded “understood” and never had a repeat issue
MightyMile
If it hadn’t, I’d have gone to HR, her dept chair and our VPR. BZ will treat you the way you let him. Dust your spine off and use it.
MightyMile
This experience was part of me learning to use mine as well. Rude people can’t intimidate me anymore. Best of luck with yours!
Promethianfire
This is sadly a common problem in academia. My wife works for a university, and the former department chair was a spiteful, abusive, pima-
Bethiepoo
Cosign. I worked in HR at a prestigious university/medical center. Navigating the politics there was unreal.
Promethianfire
donna who was stuck in a 20 year old way of doing things, but she had clout. She was particularly cruel to women in the department. My wife-
Promethianfire
Has plenty of stories of female staff leaving the chair's office in tears. And she came home to me crying more than once. Numerous formal--
Promethianfire
Complaints achieved nothing. She finally retired at something like 75 a couple years ago.
vakler
When you walk, make sure they know why. Unless changes are made it sounds like it's not good for you mentally.
EzekielJonesTheLibrarian
Thanks. The ironically sad part is every other staff I've talked to agrees with you. Looking forward to have that talk when i walk
MatrimBloodyCauthon
Can you get them onboard?
Pimparoo3
Yep, dealing with a toxic manager at my job. There is a certain freedom once you decide to start looking elsewhere.
TwirlingDaisies
Honestly I hope you change your mind and don't walk. You need to find dominance over your space and don't let him get in your head. Bec
TwirlingDaisies
Because people like him exist EVERYWHERE. Better to deal with it doing what you love in a space you love instead of letting him win.
StrokeTheFurryWall
In my opinion you tell that wheezing old wind bag to professionally fuck right off. Then relocate both machines in front of his office door.
datphone777365
if ya already set on walking, become the tyrant of your workspace. what they gona do?
GeneralAnubis
Absolutely this. ASSERT your authority on this prick. He is in your domain, make sure he knows it.
toolzgalore2
Sounds like an awesome dream job yes that caveat sucks. Your email was very professional and his response was not. File a claim
TheAnswerWasAlwaysMoreLube
Bad or lacking leadership is manegable, toxic leadership can kill passion for any job.
Howdoesonehuman
Agreed. Also curious how long ago this happened? I have a tendency to react badly to these things, get upset, and want to walk away >
Howdoesonehuman
when in reality, it's a relatively small piece of the puzzle that's making me feel like that. Your feelings are valid, that person is an >
Howdoesonehuman
asshole but don't let them take away your passion for something you love. One of my jobs is with a live TV show and I've learned a bit >
Howdoesonehuman
while reading emails from my boss. If she doesn't believe in something, she's very curt and to the point and will speak up. Not like the>
Howdoesonehuman
ass in your situation but carrying some air of authority, giving yourself that boost might also help. This is your area of expertise & you>
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Don't bother. Bad leadership in the university will fire OP before they do anything about their cash cow. OP has to fight back.
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NotQuiteAsRelevant
You've actually just never worked anywhere, at least that isn't a toxic cesspool, if that's your opinion of someone blatantly being gaslit.
TheGrubinator
Creating a hostile working place. Businesses of all sorts tend to care about that because it can lead to harassment lawsuits.
NotQuiteAsRelevant
@OP I think I found your shitty coworker
Zyiadem
Being unprofessional is a "crime" in office jobs, also clear bullying, you not seeing that says somethin.
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Pimparoo3
You sound like a fun time for an HR person
MaelstromSama
Read more closely. They put "crime" in quotes.
TheGrubinator
...Yes, this is bullying. And they are not saying it's a *legal* crime. They're saying it's a big no-no in the business world.
toolzgalore2
So there is a documented paper trail. Otherwise, as you eluded to, the university will pick him over you which sucks but unfortunately all
toolzgalore2
The school sees is $$ and you are a cost center as far as they are concerned. See if you can get in with higher ups to bring this to their
toolzgalore2
Attention, otherwise I have no good advice for you except for good luck and I hope that person gets a reality check
MadamPuddifoot
The university will pick bz every time. Bz brings in big money donors he IS NOT getting fired.
EzekielJonesTheLibrarian
I am documenting everything. But I don't have much faith within the school based on how the school have reacted and dealt with BZ and others
Deedubzz
I work at the same campus. I definitley recommend involving HR if/when you are comfortable. You'd be surprised. LMK if you ever want to vent
EzekielJonesTheLibrarian
Thank you for the offer. I am curious, how do you know we work at the same campus?
Deedubzz
Familiar with the LIB interior and makerspace / #1 in innovation. Sorry I realize now that came off creepy
DurendaI
Bait him into a situation where his conduct is so reprehensible that the uni has to take your side no matter what.
PercussionFish
That doesn’t sound safe or healthy for OPs mental health.
DurendaI
High risk high reward.
SJBSavageInk
Shit just keep that cya file and documentation that they were aware of a hostile work environment(specifically say that phrase), and if they
IceCreamYouScream
Yes THIS. HR doesn’t want a harrassment lawsuit. That might reign as n his behavior or offer some protection/compensation.
SJBSavageInk
Fire you before you got a new job, sue them and pay for that PhD baby.
annonymouse211
Don't let him trample you. Reply as the MANAGER of this space. They gave you the authority; use it, and cc Everyone.
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Obnoxious
And find backing/sponsor at a high level so someone has your back.
haschell
An approach I have always used is to give the person a way out without cornering them. "Yes we can do this, and here's what it will take."
ContagionV
As others have said, this, this so much. Fuck that dickhead, just be professional in the way you tell him to get bent and you'll be golden.
vintagegal
This!!!
MadamPuddifoot
This is SUCH wrong advice in this space, bz will get whatever he wants bc he brings in donor money. Period.
Flashezz
This, Cc is your friend.
dasklaus
If you lost your passion at this point, don't live in fear of consequences of standing up to him. Be firm, be rude if you want to, and 1/
dasklaus
if he pulls strings to get you fired, go to a better place, you should be able to find a cool job elsewhere. 2/2
Tarmaccian
"As manager of this space, I have the sole authority to authorize equipment. The unauthorized machine will be sent for disposal on 1/2/23."
MatrimBloodyCauthon
@OP please. Bullies get away with hurting others and you do not deserve to be treated this way.
MadamPuddifoot
Clearly you've never worked at a university... @op will get fired before a tenured professor who brings in whale money does.
FlyingTigerRose
VivaLaSlytherin
I third this one. Be just as blunt but stay professional. Cc everyone in every email no matter how small - he might watch how he responds.
spinbutton3
Yes this...also tell your manager ahead of time that you're going to confront BZ this way so they are prepared to support you
AndroidSoul
This. BZ may throw a shitfit, but you're the one in charge. Not saying you'll win, but it's better than being a chew toy until you give up
vintagegal
This!!
SteamingTheCat
"Just do what he wants" "Okay but how long? What's the end goal? Why wait when we can just go to the end goal now? Am I the manager or not?"
kitsunova
Agreed, I had to deal with a department manager like this at my old job and it took me Cc'ing his boss into our email chain to make him stop
DoctorGonzo37
This. Show your authority. He brings something in that doesn’t fit, remove it. It doesn’t matter if he has been there since 197-whatever 1/
DoctorGonzo37
Dude needs a reality check and to be put into his place. If you do jump ship absolutely make sure that they know that HE is the reason for2/
DoctorGonzo37
Your departure. Best of luck friendo, I hope things get better, and try your best not to give up on your dreams. We all believe in you <3
YummyBubb1es
This, never let him walk all over you. If he keep dropping junk off, send a formal warning before properly disposing of it.
vintagegal
This!!!
tanebot
This kind of chain-of-command confusion needs OP's manager involved. I'd request a meeting with AI and BZ and ask AI to clarify who is /
tanebot
running the makerspace. If they say anything other than "OP is in charge and BZ will get back in their box" then game over.
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clay12340
This seems like terrible advice. Picking a battle at work with someone who is much more entrenched and harder to replace seems silly to me.
Pimparoo3
If you are already looking for another job and are the one with the authority might as well shoot your shot. May make op feel better at leas
clay12340
Looking and having an offer are two different things. I wouldn’t shoot your shot if it is going to potentially blow up your current gig.
Pimparoo3
True, I don't know much about ops field either. I'm also dealing with a similar situation so I'm less than objective. Don't blow up your pay
NairouTryyshokk
Absolutely not. This kind of thinking is what leads to management like musk who think he can do the job of the management below him.
NairouTryyshokk
I have witnessed first hand owners who reach too far down the chain, it is brutal for EVERYONE involved, owner included. Managers are there
NairouTryyshokk
To manage, and take things off the plates of those above them, so they can take care of more important tasks. If you want to be more
NairouTryyshokk
Important yourself, you take on more important tasks, not less important tasks, as BZ is clearly doing. Those above him need to know this.
ladymayo
I see your reasoning but it sounds like they don't have much of a choice. They hate their work and are thinking of leaving their dream job >
ladymayo
Due to someone else's harassment and bullying. The fight has already been brought and nothing will change if no action is taken.
MadamPuddifoot
They are going to lose. Bz will win 10/10 times bc he brings money to the uni.
clay12340
Sure, but nothing presently involves a paycheck and probably a decent reference. Get something else lined up first, then whatever.
LitchLitch
While I agree with this suggestion, get your resume in shape and start looking for a new job. Youre in a crappy situation, demanding 1/
LitchLitch
authority may help but you have damn little to stand on and you could be booted easily. Even if you do stay, his power is really going to 2/
LitchLitch
impact your life. There may be a better job out there. Its likely to suck at this job regardless. Finish your PhD if you can. 3/3
Heninthefoxden
You can either fight the guy, get him out and take over, quit, or get over it and learn to work with him he's retiring soon. This is how uni
Heninthefoxden
Works. It's political. You have to CYA. U want his job? Go after it. If that ain't you, quit because it won't get better.
Heninthefoxden
Show how your program is better for the dept. They hired your for new blood. Finesse it. And lose the passive aggressive tone via email.
Heninthefoxden
Source. I'm a doctoral student. Don't be a raging asshole, that's why they all hate him. Be better. Honey and vinegar. Etc.
Heninthefoxden
University jobs are for masochists. And I really mean that. Start your own makers space.