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Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/437573/blacks-were-enslaved-well-into-the-1960s
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Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/437573/blacks-were-enslaved-well-into-the-1960s
CelestialSea
There are still slaves in the US. 11 billion dollars of goods is produced by slave labor in the US every year.
remaog42
Slavery just got exported to other countries.
dudehiemer
You think there isn't slavery in the USA right now? I take it you're not familiar with the prison system.
SlowerDwightYouIgnorantSlut
And that’s where Republikkkans would like to go back to.
Hyndisfox
Not just red states. Blue states also love forced labor: https://gizmodo.com/the-climate-danger-of-kamala-harris-prison-labor-legac-1844712734
ladymihaelatargaryen
Wait until you find out there's slavery today .And the slaves have not been picked by the color of their skin
comacomacomacomachameleon
60 Minutes piece on a similar practice as late as 1978. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ9F6zzRWgA
Greatnewspeople
Slavery has not ended,it just changed its appearance.
Imadethisaccounttopost
Doesn't Alabama and other southern states still have slavery? But it's hidden as part of criminal corrections and rehabilitation.
stsword
Almost all states still have slavery of prisoners.
Leokerr
Its in the 13th Amendment, not just a States issue. There is currently an amendment to close the Slavery Loophole of the 13th amendment. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/08/us/ohio-constitution-slavery-punishment-reaj/index.html
Drimilidrimdrim
Here's another for you: "The last person to be executed by guillotine was Hamida Djandoubi on 10 September 1977."
DaisyfromDownunder
One day those slave prisons will release their slaves too.
thatsbadmmkay
Companies still have no issue enslaving immigrants like the Immokalee workers. Happens in Florida and Georgia go figure.
jankeydadondc
Mega ran's a good dude. Got to chill with him a few times. Smart man.
killbillsexwife
There are millions of slaves in Dubai in this exact position.
CraftyGiant
Dubai straight up steals peoples passports, and holds them hostage while paying people so little they can barely survive. A personal friend was enslaved there for 3 years after going for a "6 month" job.
killbillsexwife
It’s SLAVERY in its exact and literal form.
dennydorko
I learned about share-cropping in school, back in the 1980s. I went to predominately black schools, though.
IlluminaBlade
And the corpos are trying their hardest to bring it back.
LackadasicalGoblin
And Amazon wamts to bring it back. Company Towns are exactly that. Sell your soul to the company store
lance415
And debt is being used to enslave everyone now.
LackadasicalGoblin
Always has :( Give it time and they'll just bring back Debtor Prisons.
GrimNyrah
Slavery is still alive and well in every country in the world. Sex slaves are a thing. Refugee/immigrant labour. Also the modern marvel of wage and debt slavery. Our shackles are now held by credit bureaus rather than landowners, but that doesn't make it less true.
ballpeenX
Slavery exists today in the US. Minors are trafficked for prostitution, broken with drugs and rape, and then used up.
aThingWithTheStufAndTheJunk
The above is referring to slavery permitted by the state. Which also still exists today, but still.
CraftyGiant
My ex wife worked in a shelter for teens who had been trafficked for sex work. Sad fucking stories. Several suicides in the shelter while she worked there.
stonebreaker6
“No I ain’t gonna work on, Maggie’s farm no more!”
fofunn
Yes, it would be terrible if we could not afford necessities, and medical bills bankrupted us..... Wait...
CAustinC0x
Pretty much the new system. Corporations own all the housing. Medicine is unaffordable. You want to live? Eat? System is broke af... for us.
morgan6022
Slavery is still around today forced labor, human trafficking https://michiganadvance.com/2023/06/19/nearly-broke-me-migrant-workers-accuse-michigan-farm-of-trafficking-forced-labor-in-suit/
KAPTKipper
Same system of company script, company town, a company house & company store tied poor coal miners to miserable conditions in the southern US.
fadingtheory
They didn't teach you about company towns in school? I grew up in Pennsyltucky and we talked about it.
KuldFyt
Kinda surprised you were allowed to talk about it there.
SpeerNA
I remember it coming up in school, but it felt pretty far removed from my insulated California childhood.
LesbianRedwings
#Juneteenth
zmanz
Dont eat chocolate. Slave wages paid for it
executivedisfunction
Chocolate comes from many areas, including parts of the USA, including down the road from me. A friend's chocolate won the Paris Chocolate Show. Slave harvested chocolate is in only a few of these. IIRC, Nestle is connected?
zmanz
Check yr facts, most big brand bars, cookies, etc use cheap bought cacao from South America, parts of Africa. They get paid less than a dollar a Day. Oxfam and some Dutch brands try to help a little.
zmanz
https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/nestl%C3%A9-admits-slavery-in-thailand-while-fighting-child-labour-lawsuit-in-ivory-coast/
Fyreworx
They didn't free them. They just added an amendment to move them into prisons.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Who’s them?
CraftyGiant
What racial demographic makes up the bulk of the US prison population on a per capita basis...
Fyreworx
People who were slaves. Clearly. This isn't a gotcha statement.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
It’s not at all. It’s a just say it question, that you tactfully avoided twice. The slaves you’re talking about were black people. It was black people that were enslaved.
Fyreworx
Yes i know that. I know they were black people. They're the ones still getting fucked over by this shit. What does this bring to the table?
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Recognizing people and not avoiding who they are with avoidance pronouns.
SpammyV
Technically it was never abolished, it's still legal to enslave the prison population. So that's part of why we have a ridiculously high number of people in prison.
Frogsarethebestest
The source article she mentions this as the closing paragraph.
RoyalWithChz
Also why a lot of prison’s are privately owned. For what fucking reason would something not with the government open a prison? They do it for profit. That also have the audacity to pressure the justice system to give them more prisoners.
TheGrubinator
It's a lot in the sense that *no* prison should be privately owned. But there's not actually a lot, in relation to the total number of prisons.
CraftyGiant
At least we finally abolished private prisons on the federal level.
Imadethisaccounttopost
This is why I was commenting on!
SunkenFruit
Forcing prisoners to labor is appalling. What about offering prisoners a chance to work if they so choose? Would this be a good thing?
CliffWestern
Depends. Do you charge the prisoners for basic toiletries and phone calls at exorbitant rates and then pay a pittance? Because that is also legal and currently happens in many places. They are forced to work for nothing to try and not burden their families financially for basic needs.
SunkenFruit
Ok, I don't think you answered the question but ok.
CliffWestern
Pretty sure I showed you the problems with it as it already exists
SunkenFruit
Right. You didn't answer the question, you commented on some other thing you see as an issue.
Urktheturtle
*looks at the racial composition of prisons*... hmmmm.... I wonder if there is a connection there... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM .... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM >:[ *gets real fucking angry*
CeruleanK
In places like Louisiana they don't even pretend. While most prisoners are literally out picking cotton, the best-behaved get to be house servants in government buildings. And on the subject of maybe letting their sentences expire, the legislators openly say things like "but these are good ones and we want to keep them."
minipancho94
read up on chain gangs. also for profit prisons are just a loophole for states that outlawed all slavery in their state constitutions. "its technically not slavery if we pay them" so they pay 50 cents an hour and basically starve them, forcing them to spend their meagre wages at the commissary, which is marked up of course. if you dont work, you're more likely to be targeted by the guards, and if someone outside sends you money, theres a huge fee right off the bat. its sickening.
stsword
You are giving them too much credit. Prisons and jails are legally allowed to charge prisoners for their stay. So they can be forced to work and leave owing the prison system money.
semiAutomaticFun
Jesus. How did I not know about this? That’s outrageous!!!
RedCamaro
Indentured servitude was a thing. Few of my patients told me stories of how they ran away as kids. And they were white too.
onecowboytoo
Just what Elon Musk and whoever is running Amazon want to do with company towns.
NYstatw
Yeah the article I linked to mentioned that.
BojanglesTheFlyingCar
IS still a thing
Neuronyx
what in the fucking excuse me?
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TheWarHymn
Many people consider indentured servitude to be a form of slavery, especially when the person is exploited or abused in this way.
Fairemont
I don't know how it couldn't be slavery.
Fairemont
I don't know how it couldn't be slavery.
Fairemont
I don't know how it couldn't be slavery.
newsguycraigevans
It has been my experience that people who bring up indentured servitude and white slaves are racist af and trying to justify slavery.
NotyouGuillermo
You think old people who were slave/indentured servants only bring up their trauma to doctors to justify slavery/racism?
TacoPoweredHelicopter
What?
CogentMoment
You load sixteen tonnes, what do you get? Another year older and deeper in dept.
Slavtar
Thats a company town, like what amazon is trying to bring back
CogentMoment
Yup, same concept. You can't quit you still owe for what you needed to live. Companies just compartmentalize it now. They own your car/house through the bank that makes money by holding/investing the money you earn working for them to buy things (at a high profit) from the other places they own as you try to slowly pay off that car/house.
GravyEducation
*sound of a chain gang breaking rocks*
crackajackin
Americans seem to memory hole the idea that whites can and have often been slaves
THISISYELLING
They don’t have a memory hole. They just understand that chattel slavery was worse in the United States specifically. Whites weren’t treated less than cattle. They weren’t subject to the same torture, family separation, and outright murder. The system of chattel slavery was set up to be predatory to a specific phenotype. That’s the important thing to remember.
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
Be aware that the turmoil over at Reddit will send many of their users this way. Like any other online space, they have their share of fully propagandized types. Prepare for a lot of "ACKSHUALLY, the Irish were slaves too, and probably had it worse!" in the coming months.
Grimmy32
The real depressing truth: Slavery hasn't died. It just hid itself. Modern slavery is a sad practice.
LostDutchy
Neither has colonialism. It's alive and kicking.
PedalPizza
It’s alive and well in southern Oregon with the super sketchy rural “corporate” farms. Workers are moved from property to property under arms. https://abcnews.go.com/US/narco-slaves-migrant-workers-face-abuse-oregons-cartel/story?id=95069523
lsama
There are more slaves now than there were during the time of the Civil War, no less.
MrKomisiripala
Every misery you read about in modern slavery happened a million times over during slavery in America and before. Human capacity to be evil & vile towards one another transcends time & location.
Vilasenia
Modern Slavery is trickle down economics, being fed the lie that the more you produce yourself the more you’ll EVENTUALLY receive returned. The truth is that only works for the 1% , the other 99% fuel the 1%s dream thinking they can achieve that as they are literally funneling all the peoples money into the 1%.
LostDutchy
Neither has colonialism. It's alive and kicking.
MADchemEE
"company store" / "company towns" / "vertical integration" / "Monopoly- monopsony". Aka: Amazon's long term goals
Darkspire
Whoa, more than a months salary for medical bills? Glad that's over. Phew!
FMC01
I was gonna post this myself. Slavery is alive as a form of punishment
HoneyBadgersAreBadAsses
I read it today in the paper. 30 persons were freed in Portugal last year. Human trafficking is a reality across the world. People doing this should be immediately executed. No trial needed. Just leave their bodies there in the cropping fields.
StellarJay77
Yup. It's just evolved into the for profit prison system.
FranzRantanenArt
Chattel slavery was an entirely different beast. That’s gone. But slavery is still alive and thriving. Saying “slavery was abolished” is just good marketing to soften hard truths.
genepoolboy
I hear there's people in the US who have to work serving tables without any pay and have to rely on the donations of the customers for their living
professionallazyperson
Yes. Also, what will REALLY bake your noodle is learning history and realizing slavery isn’t an America-only problem. Worse still, the impact of African nations supporting the slave trade. Or what happened with Liberia. We don’t talk about that here, though.
TheWarHymn
Reminds me of that man in Nepal? who borrowed money from a brickwork owner for life-saving medical treatment. His whole family gets enslaved and forced to work at the brickwork indefinitely because the owner keeps insisting they haven't paid him fully.
Stefnos
only good careing honost people end up like that.... since bad people would just beat-up/kill the brickwork owner when pissed off enough -.-
TheWarHymn
It was Pakistan: https://youtu.be/oAOypGQdzGU
heartlessninja6
What a disgusting human being. Pure Greed.
HandoB4Javert
see also
gerf
temporary work visas are the modern indentured servitude
spaolo3140
There Is no freedom from eating, warm-sleeping or healing yourself. But who Is ready to drop his benefits to allow those things to the wider number of human as possible ?
MoonQueenie
You also have wage slavery as in if you are working because if you don't you become homeless you are also a slave.
badatediting
reverendbonobo
Yeah, it's not even trying to hide.
thetinytraveler
California employs inmate firefighters. However, they barley receive any pay and once they’re out, they aren’t even eligible to hire because of their criminal background. Shit’s fucked yo
DeadyBearr
The museum I worked for hired inmate labor to paint the walls. My retired battalion chief FIL said inmates were the hardest workers and felt it was good they were repaying their debt to society but like... What about when they get out? This isn't even work study...
badatediting
I would say they are highly qualified after doing the actual job, and should automatically get hired. But it's cheaper to get a fresh supply of slav.... unpaid workers from jail
Hyndisfox
Unfortunately the powers that be would very much prefer to forget about California's inmate firefighters, and the person who oversaw the program: https://gizmodo.com/the-climate-danger-of-kamala-harris-prison-labor-legac-1844712734
hockeydumps
Do the inmates get any kind of training in firefighting stuff? To me it seems like a job not everyone can do...
badatediting
"here's a bucket, there's some water. Best of luck. Survivors get supper"
Hyndisfox
Its just clearing brush in a line. Remove fuel to create firebreaks. Its simple work, but its brutally hard work in dangerous conditions.
sniggly5212
It's not even hidden! Nobody has actually read the 13th amendment!
skellumqt
That's kinda unfair. in colloquial usage 'slavery' is short for chattel slavery. Not saying it's justified or w/e, but there is a distinction people make between chattel slavery and slavery as defined in the 13th. it's not because they haven't read it.
ztygs
Of course not, amendments are for screaming about your rights, not for reading!
Hyndisfox
Involuntary servitude also includes things like community service. A person guilty of littering can be sentenced to clean up trash along the side of the road. Thats arguably a better sentence than sitting in jail, both for the person and for society in general.
obviouslyrob
*14th is the one that carved out slavery exceptions for convicts, as wonderful as the rest of the amendment is.
sniggly5212
...no. 13th is slavery. 14th establishes lots of citizenship rules, as well as some other cool stuff.
AboutasSnappyasaZipper
Surely somebody has. I’m fairly certain it’s available to read. We just leave it to other people.
Sasurau
"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." A loop hole big enough to drive the worlds largest incarceration rate. Some states have removed such from their books, and more (read: all) need to.
Asadsadsadclown
And I get down voted for suggesting that racists used their loophole to criminalize black culture and rebuild slavery through mass incarceration. Ya know… that thing that is an indisputable fact and easy to research.
Sasurau
I'll not disagree with that assessment (just read what you wrote). Just remind yourself that the Cletuses down voting such shit are Cletus-American chucklefucks. Mind, I get a bit of entertainment out of when I get down voted for such. It's why I'm sad I can't see how spicy my take is anymore (with a count of both up and down votes).
PandaWaffleking
Iirc this is being worked on being modified to end slavery as punishment in the United States. A few hundred years late... glad it's in motion but Intentions means the square root of fuck all until they finally remove legal slavery....