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Astramancer
Great grandpa in the trenches of WWI, g-gma made a coat, gave it to them to deliver. They stole it instead. Rotten since forever.
initforthespecs
Sounds like companies doing the job (poorly) we pay the government to do.
MsMackPaddyWhack
Former employee. Do NOT give to SA.
SacrificialClam
I don't donate to them, but these stories are all so very anecdotal. It's like reading Yelp reviews
TexMexHex
Look up how much the top dogs for Red Cross make each year, do it. They are just as evil as every other establishment that claims to help.
MrKamikazi
Had to report to them for probation back in the day. Power mad, scary, scary people. I will never donate to them.
coderay
I’ve heard similar stories several times. I definitely will not support them.
RyanTheCelt
I have heard many positive stories in the recovery community about them saving lives. I have never heard otherwise. My bet is that
RyanTheCelt
there are some bad actors but I hope it's not the norm or majority.
Nunyajonesinc
Left out how they will straight up kick you out and will permanently refuse you any assistance if you're anything other than straight
Dot567magnet
They refused a donation from a group of students at my sisters school, since the student group was lgbt.
TheN8
They're Christian mental cases, go figure.
bigkingdingaling
Not true at all. They've spent a ton of money to get the word out they don't
DMSledge
So they now understand that it is unacceptable to behave like they normally do? They would like people to just forget their behaviour?
bigkingdingaling
They said they're fixing their issues. They accept anyone that needs help. Change isn't allowed?
DMSledge
They have said that they never had issues and that they are good now. Denying what they are on the record as doing isn't change.
Raggsojj
Would be hella easy to make undercover reporting of this it seems
brianterrel
I grew up going to salvation army day camp during summer, and can confirm that it is fucked. Nice pool and arcade tho.
Stev757
I stopped supporting the salvation army 5 years ago and I'm never going to again
SerenePrincess013
The only decent thing they ever did for me, was to leave me in the clutches of my ex husband so I learned to stand on my own.
iusedtodream
That sounds dangerous...
SerenePrincess013
Oh, all he did was partially crush my throat & leave me unable to talk for 2 years, & destroy my singing career. NBD. ?
Feralkyn
Jesus Christ, dude, I'm so sorry to hear that :S
SerenePrincess013
It took me a decade to be able to sing again, but my voice is so different, now. We're still trying to decide if I want to try again.
Feralkyn
FWIW I think you totally should, but either way I wish you the best!
ReverseTrapTsukasa
"Christian" organizations are often "doing the Good Lord's" work and feel that you should pony up and help them & don't bother paying for
ReverseTrapTsukasa
goods & services they've received since if you do charge or bill them you "need Jesus" to save you...
ralphie84
My uncle was an officer in SA until he came out after testing positive with HIV. They kicked him out. He died in 1997.
tsaPepe
<3 condolences that he experienced such intensely shitty humans
YouThinkThatsBad
They’re notoriously homophobic. Do not give to them.
UrGrammasMonkey
Just like most major companies, they are notoriously bad to members who don't fit with their ethos. That sucks tho. Sooty dude.
Cravanicus
I’m so sorry. That’s fucking awful. Every time I hear one of them ringing a bell outside a store, I’m forever going to think of your uncle.
ralphie84
I'll always remember his art around my grandmother's house. His daughter has the same talent.
ralphie84
He would parody the old cough med commercial in a high pitched voice, "...but you like Dimetap"
woozle
woozle
to be clear, I'm nope-ing away from the Salvation Army
CardioVascular
I see these stories and get sad and concerned. My local salvation army has always been super great to us.
sadcoyote
even if that’s the case, it doesn’t make the whole organization worthwhile or worth supporting. they still hate lgbtq people and are
sadcoyote
predatory at every turn.
ath1337e
Are there any published accounts of this abuse by reputable journalists? This kind of abuse is horrible, and I want to see if it has...
batmanbumantics
https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2019/12/16/21003560/salvation-army-anti-lgbtq-controversies-donations
JollyJokzr
Nothing like this on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army#Controversy
ath1337e
... been covered by any journal or news organization.
sigurd768
Yeah, people can post anything on the internet
Biggerbluer
Sources are vital.
riddmkidd
Trust but verify..
Corrodias
How is that distinct from not trusting? It's good, but why say it's "trust"?
riddmkidd
I heard ya, that's the way i heard the saying and don't have a better word yet. Maybe accept and verify?
RyanTheCelt
I have heard many positive stories in the recovery community about them saving lives. I have never heard otherwise.
UrGrammasMonkey
Same... Never heard anything like this in Canada, only good stuff (minus the antigay thing)
DMSledge
They have actively promoted "conversion therapy" in the past but now claim they don't support it. Look at their old press info.
selej
Reputable journalists? You mean unbribed? not sure theres any of those left.
HighrockTendales
So effin true bro. Anyway you wanna crypto some NFTs on twitch tonight? hit up my discord
gamblingpoet
UrGrammasMonkey
I have a lot of family involved with them and went thru the system myself, but have never seen or heard of anything like this in Canada.
LadyVimes
I was wondering the same thing. We see the Bell Ringers and there's a "Sally-Am" as the old folks call it. Maybe different entities?
LadyVimes
Maybe they are just not as prevalent in Canada so all the evil gets outshined by the evil in the Church, the Gvmt, the Residential Schools
LadyVimes
The concentration camps, the corruption in the RCMP, the sexual assault crisis in the military, the guy who fed prostitutes to pigs...
UrGrammasMonkey
Same entity, they run churches thrift stores seniors homes rehabilitation centres homeless shelters food trucks etc.
Fastjack2056
I usually don't put anything into Salvation Army buckets, but this year I think I'll print this thread off and drop that in.
B1GBAU5H0G
/a/Gtpf5dt. I made a qr code to this post. May be easier to fit in a till
CarpoolTunnelSyndrome
Now make it an NFT and donate the proceeds to goodwill.
Lurkinglikeachamp
Sadly, most large non profits get this way. Do your research before donating anywhere.
paintingagency
I disagree. Do your research, but this kind of smarmy, judgmental dishonesty seems arisen from the SA's... specific bias.
trippingthelightfantastic
If you're going to help people, you help all of the people who need help.
MerryXMan
Well … ideally. But no matter what organisation, it’s a numbers game. you only have the resources to help x people but y people need help.
ABillionDucks
What part of the "numbers game" involves treating people like subhumans?
MerryXMan
My point was focused on the original comment. Sometimes you can’t help all the people, but you can help some.
Froggie243
True, but setting the bar at "only people our religion approves of" and "only people willing to tolerate abuse" is outright trash
MerryXMan
I didn’t suggest that’s how you draw the line. Hell I would probably base is on a means tested basis or something.
AnatolianTiger
I was giving food and snacks to homeless people but my friend said; if they got food poisoning or something the city council could sue me
AnatolianTiger
I don’t know the Massachusetts laws very well, so i stop doing it. Does anyone know something about this subject.
MerryXMan
I’ve heard this is a myth. Like an urban legend
trippingthelightfantastic
Help whoever you can, feed whoever you can. Your 'friend' may just be feeling guilty for not doing anything.
DMSledge
Generally a person has little liability but an organization absolutely can be sued.
DMSledge
That said anyone can sue you for serving them dangerous food.
caerulakid
Good Samaritan laws don’t give an out here? I’d be surprised.
PucksAndLiquidLuck
I worked for SA very briefly. Can confirm they are the worst of the worst.
florpglorp
Its like they simultaneously believe homeless people are subhuman and that they are doing gods work caring for them
PunnyTiger
jesus would be washing their feet; we just steal from them. it's not like there was a commandment about it.
UrGrammasMonkey
That is 100% the case. A lot of them put on a huge show but don't practice what they preach.
Feralkyn
I can guarantee you that they do not believe the latter. It'll be a job for them. It'll be money.
tsaPepe
Salvation Army in Australia received donations and $ for displaced bushfire relief victims. But then wouldn’t give help if they were LGBTQ
HaveYouEverEverFletLikeThis
I also remember they wouldn't give the money at all they kept it for "future use" they said
tsaPepe
Yep… less than 50% was actually distributed to those in need. But I think it’s still in process. Regardless, it was nearly 2 years ago now
HaveYouEverEverFletLikeThis
I remember Celeste Barber raised about over a million and the SA refused to give it to people and spent it on their admin instead
tsaPepe
Oops remove the word “relief”
idontknowyoufromadam
As a Swede, I am curious if anyone knows about how these folks act in Sweden? Are they as inhuman here as in the US or is it different?
WithFurtherAdo
I'd think that, like here in Finland, theres a lot more regulation to their operation. Still, it's a branch of the same global organization.
TargetedAdBot
You can google if you can find discussion related to it. In Finland I found few topics about most donations going to salaries.
Fishcracker
I used to help the church back in the day. Smaller town and they looked out for everyone they could. That’s up in Canada.
UrGrammasMonkey
Each territory has all of its own leadership, there's I think 1 office of like 20 people that act globally, the rest are regional.
joecutting886
sadly theyre terrible in canada too
phukerstone
my ex used to work for a SalVal in my town. they were all assholes, even at store level. fuck SalVal, Goodwill all the way.
NotSureIfSatireOrOpinion
Echoing the comments here, sadly Goodwill is just as bad. Google "Goodwill disabled employee abuse"
BossVarriack
Isn't goodwill the group where a higher up was paying some dude $15 an hour to do her job while she made like 2 mil a year?
phukerstone
maybe? i mean, everything is shitty anymore so i don't doubt it. i just hate salval more.
aslum
How about YMCA thrift shop or an independent instead. GW is better than SA, but in the same way getting punched is better than getting shot.
lurksintheshadow
My mom and I were practically penniless when I was a baby. She begged to trade Goodwill an entire sack full of infant clothing in (1/2)
lurksintheshadow
Exchange for one or two pieces of clothing that would fit me. They refused, but said they would still take the bag of clothes. (2/2)
OhIfIMust
Nuh uh, Goodwill operates like the damn mob, taking over smaller shops or running them out of business; don't give to them either.
somethingstupidandclever
Please shop for vintage at vintage stores and give all donates directly to shelters or, my fave, Green Zone. GZ sorts and gives the 1/2
somethingstupidandclever
2/2 good stuff to local shelters and charities in your area and the rest is recycled into a new material they use to support their cause.
SideEffectsOfJuice
Is SalVal their store where they sell all the donated items their employees don't want to keep?
UrGrammasMonkey
It is a thrift store yes, where they sell used items that are in good condition, although the price tends to be a bit steep
TexMexHex
Look up how much the "Good"will top dogs make annually. Do it. Fuck both of them
phukerstone
damn dude, calm down. i have no vested interest in goodwill, they just seem better than salval. sheesh.
LateNightBunnyParty
I worked at one when I was 18 and was treated like shit. Teeny tiny teenage girl, left alone in the store while everyone else went on lunch/
LateNightBunnyParty
one day, and some creepy mo came in and started masturbating in front of me. I escaped to the back and called the cops, then got in trouble/
LateNightBunnyParty
with my manager later for leaving the floor with the cash register unmanned while there was a "customer" (the pervert) inside.
mako925
Don't forget some of the smaller independent thrift stores. Many of them are better than Goodwill.
Howareyounow
Ours is great. Not only do they resell the donations for next to nothing, they offer clothes and food to those in need, as well as paying
Howareyounow
Off utilities and helping people catch up to rent or mortgages. I always donate there over anywhere else.
Dashirl
For our neighbors across the pond who don't know, what we call thrift shop, yall call a charity shop. <3
theoracleofdreams
This, I used to work for Assistance League, great children's org, thrift shop sales go to their philanthropies.
phukerstone
true, we've got a Care n Share near me and it's great.
AwwFrick
Yeah unfortunately goodwill isn't much better but they also don't claim to help like salval does
Aslandus
Though to be fair, Goodwill is legally a nonprofit, SalVal is a church, so there's a stark difference in how much they can get away with
Dashirl
Yup. Fuck Goodwill.
ishouldprobablybeplayingpokemonATM
where should I give my stuff?
Colopty
Craigslist or whatever your local equivalent is, I guess. Let someone who needs it pick it up directly.
Dashirl
Local thrift shops, esp if run by actual charities.
SaucyFineBolognaFactory
You can look on charitynavigator.org, put in your state and the type of charity that you're interested in and find one that way.
AwwFrick
Honestly religious or not I find catholic social services seems pretty good. Or local churches or any local charity
donkeyDD
In AZ, Timothy lasota, a Goodwill board member, fought to put Kanye on the 2020 presidential ballot as a spoiler for Joe Biden.
Xenominim
Yea if you just want to get rid of old stuff someone might have a use for then Goodwill is fine. If you want to help someone find a charity.
aFadingMemory
Yep. Donate crap to goodwill and cash to food banks.
E509
Goodwill has the perfect business model, 0 waste. Everything given is sold, and the unsellable gets shipped of to third world countries.
Froggie243
Goodwill is exploitative capitalism.SA is exploitative religious superiority and (probably) fraud. I'll stick with goodwill if no local
sigurd768
Does the emergency thing seem unbelievable? Can you really show up to an emergency situation and then bill the government?
wormfood
Tbh you'd be lucky to get paid what you bill. It's like the medical industry, you bill whatever and I pay you whatever and that's the game
Bignholy
Absolutly. Keep in mind, they're a long held and trusted christian institution that existed back when being so was carte blanche
Bignholy
Would not be shocked to find they have some special status, enshrined by law, from the old days.
ptothedubs
When my ex attempted suicide in January 2015, he needed somewhere to stay when he got out of the hospital. I suspected he might have been 1/
ptothedubs
on drugs, and I was only 19 and didn’t really want him staying with me. So I called the SA to see if they had a spot at one of their 2/
ptothedubs
shelters. The man on the phone told me that my now-ex would have to call (from the psych ward, I guess) and that I was a bad girlfriend 3/
ptothedubs
who was only enabling him. Let me repeat: I was NINETEEN. I later met that man’s wife by chance, and she was saying that she told her 4/
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daughter that the reason her college roommate was smoking weed and sleeping all day was because she was possessed by the devil. Really. 5/
ptothedubs
She made no mention that perhaps the girl’s mental health was suffering as a college freshman and jumped to possession. Wild stuff. 6/6
ChemicalCastration
Interned at one of their soup kitchens for school, had an entire warehouse full of steaks, lobsters, etc and every day it’d be instant food
UrGrammasMonkey
Yea no. check food regulations. That type of stuff, if donated, is generally not allowed to be served, against food safe codes
ChemicalCastration
For the people we’d serve and the “head chef” would go into the warehouse and fill her bag with food on the way out
OhIfIMust
Dafuq, this is right out of Dickens.
Bridgiebird
We live in Dickensian times my friend. We just don't know it yet
TheFirstFurst
We never left it.
OhIfIMust
Just check out the opening of this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkJpFvJQp4M
Bridgiebird
Is that a Warhammer video?
IamTOOOLDforThisShite
Your description seems ... less than credible. Why would they have "an entire warehouse full of steaks, lobsters, etc" in the first place??
ChemicalCastration
Unfortunately limited by the character limit
ChemicalCastration
Believe me or not. Major “distribution” and donation center in a major city. Of course most is canned beans, bags of rice but also good stuf
Peachos
So Peta but for ppl? #PeopleExploitingTiredAbusees
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
I have known for YEARS SA is corrupt. I've seen their donation pickup workers pilfer items in the open.
Heavenissize17socks
Goodwill, Salvation army, etc. This is what happens when you *privatize* health services. My government is supposed to be using *my 1/
Heavenissize17socks
2/ taxes and it's assets to protect those who can't protect themselved. My gov is shirking it's duty & it's gotta stop.
MyCommentsUsuallyHaveTypos
I made this a few years ago —
M4Firefly
well salvation army cant control the staff behavior, unless they are willing/can afford to pay more and attract better applicants
JesaraB
They are legally Responsible for staff behavior, like any business.
M4Firefly
"legally responsible" does not have as much practical impact on operations as ud hope. its all about money. good staff is expensive
DMSledge
If they can't afford good staff then I guess they should take up a different business.
M4Firefly
That would mean no more shelters at all. Its not exactly a lucrative business model with booming competition
Samja192
Not to mention extremely homophobic
darkstarmc
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/
DMSledge
Nice article. So yes PETA has done it, but they don't do it regularly. Pretty terrible.
darkstarmc
1 Petra employee in nearly 30 years. Comparatively 2 McDonald's employees have done armed robbery in 2 years.
DMSledge
At least 3 PETA employees as part of their job took/killed animals that were pets and were caught doing so ON the job at work.
darkstarmc
Best I can find is one of our court settlement and the police dropping one accusation of kidnapping a police dog due to no evidence.
DMSledge
You would expect PETA to respond to this with a plan on how to confirm that each animal they kill is not a pet. Do they even check chips?
darkstarmc
And actually I was wrong too. All 3 had charges dismissed for no evidence. Equally accurate to say people blame Peta for losing their pets.
engineeringwombocombo
Not quite the same. PETA is the #1 kill shelter in the US and will actively steal people's pets specifically to end their lives in >
jasari
That is wildly misleading Information spread by anti animal rights lobbying groups, stop spreading this shit.
Ihateyoucommentsoneverypost
Fuck you
jasari
kerrigan778
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/
kerrigan778
The Atlantic examined this claim, while anti-PETA axegrinders stir up a lot, PETA still has an abysmal record
jasari
First the Atlantics takedown is very different than the above comment, second the whole article is based around the claim Winograd makes>
engineeringwombocombo
The most horrifyingly inhumane ways possible. PETA is a straight-up eco-terrorist organization. Still fuck S.A. though.
PrivateDuds
Wait, I know of the stealing and killing, and yes, f them but I didn't know they used inhumane ways. Can you elaborate (or provide reading)?
SomeScienceGuy
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engineeringwombocombo
Dont remember source but basically they spare 0 effort to make the animals comfortable at all. Crowded unwashed cages, manhandling, etc.
Feralkyn
The "stealing and killing" is also bullshit, btw. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/
PrivateDuds
Well as much as I despise then, I'm not surprised. I can hardly imagine them getting away with it routinely. Thanks.
Argondey
Last I had heard about it, all the pet stealing and aggressively killing shelter animals was made up by a political attack group. 1)
Argondey
I don't agree with PETA on pretty much anything, but there is more misinformation than information out there 2/2)
Feralkyn
PLEASE stop parroting this bullshit. They're the #1 kill shelter b/c most "no-kill" shelters in the US *stop taking animals* when full, and
TheGreatBlueHeron
It's been a while since I've seen an attack on PETA and thought perhaps people finally saw thru the propaganda. It's one enduring smear job.
Feralkyn
As much as I fucking hate Berman, he really did a bang-up job ruining them. That said, Peta doesn't help themselves w/ their sensationalist
Feralkyn
media campaigns either.
Feralkyn
PETA has a "do not turn away" policy. They also provide free euthanasia for owners who can't afford it for sick pets. They never "stole a
kerrigan778
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/
kerrigan778
The Atlantic examined this claim, while anti-PETA axegrinders stir up a lot, PETA still has an abysmal record
Feralkyn
dog" off someone's porch. They were picking up dozens of strays that had been attacking livestock on a farm, by REQUEST, and the owner left
Feralkyn
one of their own pets out, untagged/uncollared, on the day of pickup. It was taken w/ all the other ones unknowingly. You want to blame
Ihateyoucommentsoneverypost
Fuck you
Asadsadsadclown
The publicly available statistics they report to the state say you're a fucking idiot. A quick summary, they take in 1% of the total animals