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During a relic hunting trip in the Dutch city called Nijmegen I stumbled across the remnants of an old airstrip served during World War 2 as a Hawker Typhoon base and in the last year of the war a base for the Gloster Meteor jets. Now it's all just forest, not seeing any landing strips or signs it been an airbase. The only way you could tell it was a former airstrip was that the area around the strip. Old farms/buildings used metal runway plates for fencing off their property. In the forest it self had some runway laying around. Lucky I managed to find an old map on the internet about the runway and taxi lanes so I place it over a Google Maps screenshot. I had my treasure map. So my best guess was to start looking on the taxi lanes since the original runway has been turned into a several soccer fields and 60's/70's housing. Had a buddy of mine with me which is basically my relic hunting partner. So we started to look around with our metal detectors. Found some small stuff like bullet casings, parts of ammo crates and fuse covers for Typhoon rockets. Suddenly my partner came up on me and showed me some handcuffs he found. Looked very old, seen them in war movies, looked ww2 dated. so we were getting near the right spot. My detector made a big beep sound and upon digging we saw the clothing of a .30 cal US browning ammo belt popping up. was in a bad condition and was falling apart in my hands. But 2 meters next to it we had another big beep aprox 50 cm wide and a meter or so long. What could this have been? we started digging and around 30 cm digging it started to show something rusty in all kinds weird shapes. I knew it was a weapon. Maybe a aircraft weapon since it was a airbase and we were digging near one of the taxi lanes. centimeter by centimeter I carefully removed dirt and roots. saw leather getting visible. Then I knew it. This must be a mg42. And yes it was one, in a super condition aswell. but to my surprise there was another gun laying next to it. When I got that one out I saw it was a beautiful preserved mg15. It's inner works still showing shiny blueish metal. Me and my partner were so happy that day. WOW find of a life time.
The next day we went back to the location with great expectations. So we started around the location we found the machine guns and not 5 meters further we had a similar sized beep emitting from the metal detector. Could this be? We started digging and yup we as the same shape showing up as the last time. NO WAY! Yes way! We found another mg42 and again it had an other machine gun laying next to it. It was a Browning but not your standard .30 cal. This was a Browning made to fire .303 British, designed for the British Bomber turrets like the Lancaster/Halifax Bomber or for attack fighters like the Hurricane. And last not least the godly earth yielded a spare MG42 barrel still in it's casing. I just couldn't believe my eyes what we dug up in those 2 days.
Found some spare weapon parts of a 20MM Hispano Suiza cannon which was standard armament for the Hawker Typhoons.
Cleaned them with just water and a soft brush.
Well preserved inner workings of the mg15.
Aim sight of the mg42, note the little eagle near the number 20.
Belt feeding mechanism of the mg42.
Here I had them cleaned more but this time with a metal brush. Looks much cleaner.
Still has it's serial on it.
Had a mg drum laying around and decided to add it to the mg42. Looks nice.
Time made a big root grew through the bipod.
Time to clean it. Like I did with pistols. I used electrolysis to clean the machineguns. When they came out they still had rust inside of the inner parts like screws and such so I grabbed WD40, a rubber hammer and a heating torch and started to loosen up the screws by expanding the metal around the screws with heat and then spraying the screws with WD40. The lose parts went back into the bucket for another round of electrolysis treatment and then came out brand new.
Almost brand new firing mechanism of the mg15.
The result was amazing. With the electrolysis reaction turning some of the rust into carbon filling most of the gaps and giving the weapon and black look. I used WD40 again and burned it into the metal with a heating torch. I can still use everything on this one only since it's missing a big part of the handle of the bolt so cocking it is very hard do.
Still haven't cleaned one part of the inner mechanism but I might keep it that way. Reminds me of in what condition I found it.
TheRuggedProfessorNeckbeard
considering they were laying in the dirt for 60+ years, they're in amazing condition. Congrats.
snipedwat
Best I can do is 5 dollars I have a business to run here.
Valentijn101
Can you run the serialnumbers to find out the historie of these guns?
RelativeVelocity
As someone who restores guns as a hobby, I am erect. But this may have hurt some historical data, being unearthed by amateurs.
WumpleyRabbit
Put... Put your bullets in it...
pixelforfun
You ruined the patina. I can only give you $50. Final offer.
OutrageousHemmorhoid
Sorry Archeologists:I support a world where you can go and search for treasure and cool stuff and keep it. You want to catalogue it...
OutrageousHemmorhoid
Then go and do it first. This isn't so old it has essential historical value, it's putting magic into a life- here and now.
societysreject
Tip: Submerge in vinegar for 24hrs to remove rust & scale
Flexiblewarmth
Phosphoric acid will clean it up faster than acetic acid
Jacobvm
Omg you are calling these relics?! We still use them in the Danish army xD
BM1982
"I had a mg drum lying about" don't we all??
enigma1235
Damn, the Germans are really good at building shit to last.
Janusha
When I was a kid, my dog dug up an unexploded artillery shell from under our garage. The army came and detonated it.
mirdreams
Where was that?
tuttl1am
very cool. however, "it's" = "it is". "its" = possession. how old are we that we don't know this still?
turdferguson2
Maybe english isn't OP's first language. It's not a big deal if you're still able to discern what they were trying to convey.
MnemonicMonkeys
We teach language for a reason
hotdogtime
So what are the laws regarding finding weapons or old relics? Finders keepers? What?
yakuzzzzza
Whats next? "Hey guys a found a fucking tank, and took a brush and wd40 to it"
BlueskydragonFX
Well, I do know a couple laying around. Was blocking the road back in ww2, been pushed into the lake next to the road. None seems to care.
me109K
what kind?
BlueskydragonFX
Shermans. Got blown up on a road in "no mans land" with both sides of the road had lakes so yeah they had to push them from the road.
wooliebooger
There's a guy in Harth that will fix that up for you
Noxiel
The MG42 was called "Hitler Saw" or "Bone Saw"
me109K
A Variant is still in use by the German army today "mg3"
thehexthatplays
It was called "hitler's buzzsaw"
ohshititsmatt
Listening to the "buzz saw" is frightening compared to the M60 or even M249
creamylocotaco
Haven't seen an OP pull through in a while. It just....feels good.
MacRockatansky
@OP, what will you ultimately end up doing with these? In US, legally, they would likely have to be destroyed.
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
Why would they? It's a historical piece.
MacRockatansky
The ATF made up of souless bureaucrats with no understanding of things like "historical significance" or "sentimental value".
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
The ATF can go suck on a fat dick lol. You don't destroy historical objects because it's a gun.
MacRockatansky
Apparently you do if it is, or ever has been, a machine gun.
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
That makes no sense though I've seen people live fire old WWII Thompson's and BAR's. Along with old Browning machine guns.
MacRockatansky
You can thank Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) for that. He wrote the amendment that made it law in 1986.
whereamandwhatamidoinghere
Figured it was a D in both senses of the word lol.
kimoniChan
As an archaeology student, please tell me you did an ARCHIS melding for at least the location. So much information is lost by (1/2)
noptic
true. But is this really relevant? It is not even 100 years old and the location seems to be well known. Serious question.
kimoniChan
From the war, but that does not mean that everything can be dug up by anybody. Especially amateurs can cause valuable data to be lost.
Alighierian
when posting long replies, post as reply to the previous part of the post. that way it doesn't get lost or out of order
kimoniChan
In the Netherlands we are now considering the second world war as archaeology as well. Nijmegen is well known as a site (1/2)
calvinandhobbesbeatsreligioneverytime
Upvoting for fellow Dutchie and for creating new hopes and possibilities (since i go hiking near old abandoned airstrips as well)
tytrim89
Being a gun nerd and history nerd I just had 13.2 organs in my brain
t4thfavor
Which organs? How did they get there?
barbarianbryan
"THESE BELONG IN A MUSEUM"
panzerman
they get stolen, are destroyed, and also end up sold or in someone who works there's private colleections trust me..i know first hand.
HeinrichHiTheSSGuy
why? the austrian army still uses the MG42. old habbits....
panzerman
a lot of smaller museums will close down....where do u think all that stuff goes? its better off in a private collection sometimes
panzerman
no they don't. Museum curators are corrupt. over 90% of things donated to museums are stuffed in a backroom and never displayed
xtrmmatt
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xtrmmatt
Ok so that didn't work
CanadianNorthman
barbarianbryan
Yes! Haha
DiedStandingUp
so do you Dr. Jones.
Seaneg
I turned my phone to look down the sights of the second to last picture...
fdinthea
Turn your phone on imgur... gonna have a bad time
NirvanaNik
I went back up to the second to last picture to see if it worked...
OGkilroy
I laughed at this Cuz I did it then saw I wasn't the only one...
IUpvoteEveryPostISee
What was it?
OGkilroy
How Could I Forget The Second To Last!
Eclipsegst97
sweet !!... out of curiosity. How would a find like this fall under gun laws/ registration in your neck of the woods?
ohshititsmatt
In the US it's a $200 tax stamp that you register for, however the average cost of a full auto firearm is around $14k+ plus visits from ATF
OutrageousHemmorhoid
Really? So if an AR15 or similar costs $2500, there is $14,000 in licences and fees? Curious, please clarify:)
ohshititsmatt
3 - That date means that there are roughly 182,619 automatic weapons that a regular US citizen may own legally, which means prices are high
me109K
he means that an the weapons usually cost that much by themselves. I think.
OutrageousHemmorhoid
Yes, seems like that's the answer- thanks!
ohshititsmatt
2 - Any full auto firearm made after May 19th, 1986 is illegal to own unless you're a dealer, anything before is fine and legal to own
ohshititsmatt
5 - if you have a FFL and SOT you may own and make new automatic weapons so the AR15 would be fair game, also newer guns which are cheaper
OutrageousHemmorhoid
Right, I understand: high price due to limited numbers of pre '86 gear. Is the serial on the bolt/ receiver/ furniture? Because...
OutrageousHemmorhoid
If you modified your pre 86 M16 with new barrels, stock, and other modern parts does it stay legal?
ohshititsmatt
4 - a quick search at gunbroker shows a transferable (legal pre-1986) Colt M16A1 at $18k
kimoniChan
Detectorpilots not registering their finds. They also tend to take finds out of context, effectively destroying archaeoligical info (2/2)
BlueskydragonFX
It's world war 2 items. All the state archeologist I've been talking to have no interests in them. Also the (amateur archeologists) 1/3
BlueskydragonFX
do report items from time to time, like through a local news paper. Then the state archeologists rush for the location and claim it. 2/3
BlueskydragonFX
So far I have only seen them digging at places where buildings being build and where amateurs like us have reported a site of interest.
BlueskydragonFX
Also we report explosives so they can be disposed off. Couple years ago found 3 500 pounders duds 1 meter underneath a Yoga spot.
kimoniChan
I don't say that amateur archaeologists aren't valuable to the cause. Many professional digs are done with the help of amateurs, and (1/3)
CaptainAvatar
Exactly what archaeological information was lost by unearthing extremely common weapons from ~75 years ago? Not exactly Roman artifacts.
Tofubutton
That's the point, we'll never know :/
schlummi
Some of them even dig through bones/old unmarked graves and steal dogtags, which makes it impossible to identify the corpses...
TitsMcGee30
you wouldnt know a machine gun wasnt from roman times?
arednecksquirel
@OP if the new regulations for firearm deactivation pass in the EU these will be HIGHLY illegal keep them safe and hidden for your interests
UnfunnyComedian
forget EU regs, In the Netherlands they are already extremely illegal
twofishtails
Are you saying replica, decommissioned or guns that simply can never be fired are illegal in the Netherlands?
UnfunnyComedian
i doubt they have been properly deactivated to the point that the gov would allow. Even so they would be taken away as not gotten legallt
twofishtails
Agree on both counts. In the USA, these wouldn't be considered decommissioned, either.
arednecksquirel
Depending on your state/county, most police even if searching your house for criminal reasons would just say nice mantle piece
Hendlton
I've been hearing about this so, what are they exactly? Why would guns such as these, guns that are clearly not usable, be illegal?
arednecksquirel
That's how the new regulation defines a firearm as deactivated IIRC
arednecksquirel
Barrels must be plugged with welds at both ends and filled with concrete, bolt must be cut in half, all moving parts welded stationary
CaptainAvatar
That is really sad.
Hendlton
Is that why there was a post on here not too long ago about some guy finding WWII weaponry in literally perfect condition and destroying it?
Grudgebearingmidget
Correct, holding on to such materials (without having them properly catalogued and disabled) is a crime in the EU from what I can tell, sad.
TheBlazinDays
if you replace the firing mechanism or just clean it up very well, and the barrel with a brand new barrel, it would be usable. (1/2)
TheBlazinDays
the firing pin and belt fed ammo system can be cleaned via electrolysis and still work just fine. then just buying ammo. boom usable mg42.
arednecksquirel
I honestly don't think you'd have a working one at even that point, the fatigue on the receiver after all those years rusting is immense
arednecksquirel
My buddy has a finish M39 Mosin Nagant that he bought a few years back, thing was in almost perfect condition, parts barely worn
Orangutangy
After being on Imgur for awhile I am starting to believe there are guns buried everywhere.
happytreeleaf
Trust me. We'll need them for the Statue Wars.
TheKyle
Guns buried everywhere, and old safes behind every wall.
SouthernBorn
I was just thinking the same thing.
Comorant
I live in Aachen Germany and it's quite common that you find old rusty grenades from Ww2 in gardens or fields
esparadrapo
Borderlands franchise is your game.
TheProfessionalOne
I usually bury my guns with the people I... Wait, never mind.
AaronPankey
And slutty women.
Hoffafiles
We were in Bosnia (02-03) a farmer brought us a MG42 he found in the woods by his house, plus some grenades. Stuff was all over lol
detour512
In 1st grade the playground at my school I found a heavily rusted full blown Rambo knife and a pistol, handed them to the art teacher.
detour512
Then I ran home because Animaniacs was coming on...
TemporaryUzername
sure ya did
SpanWolf
There might even be one... *reaches behind your ear*
IShouldBeBrowsingImgurRightNowButInsteadImBrowsingImgur
"Stop it Dad"
SpanWolf
What's wrong son, don't like the.. caliber of my jokes?
IShouldBeBrowsingImgurRightNowButInsteadImBrowsingImgur
I just just think your jokes are kind of hollow andi dont understand the point you are making
Pheonix686
Free to any good scavenger. Only dropped once!
Cereaza
For sale: Child's shoes. Never worn.
jbird84
French gun?
CorneliusCornwall
Especially in Europe. Wonder why?
rubbarz
Autofellatio?
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
Gun Flu epidemic of '39
windedsloth
Maybe it's that long vacation they took
celeritous
"We were invited! Punch was served!!! Check with Poland!"
Or10nSharkFin
I VILL HEAR NO MORE INSINUATIONS ABOUT ZE CHERMAN PEOPLE. NOTHZING BAD HAPPENED!
CorneliusCornwall
Must have been a hunting trip.
flacoloco
don't for get the communal showers
JakeSnake197
browsib
He hasn't been home in a few days...
shmopplesandbanonos
Oh yeah, the wars....
TalosGuideUs
Everyone has 12
littlegoblin
must of fallen from the sky
Cereaza
That 20mm Hispano cannon probably did.
Toggles
Must "have"
TOTOAFRICA
Some guy actually found remains of an old Luger in Germany. It was on the front page yesterday.
bud467
It was a Walther p38 Same OP as well
Vektraux
I might be wrong, but I think it was a Walther P38, not a Luger P08, the Walther not quite as valuable.
TOTOAFRICA
Yep, it was a Walther
CorneliusCornwall
I found it in usersub
Insomnia297
A link will earn someone an updoot!
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largechildwhogetsdrunkandpaysbills
For the lazy
Insomnia297
Oh. That's not a luger. Walther P38?
SombreroWieldingLawmaker
It's in this post's description.
jwarring85
It's kind of crazy but this used to be norm for warfare. During the Battle of Verdun, between 40-60 MILLION artillery shells were fired. (1)
Bwafflz
Dan Carlin has a podcast ep about this battle. So sick. www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-53-blueprint-for-armageddon-iv
DrToastyPants
I LOVE HIS STUFF AND IRONICALLY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT ON THIS SITE WOW
jwarring85
(2) That is roughly 63 shells per casualty.
InboxMeYourGermanShepherds
Jesus... Were stormtroopers manning those guns?
amyhadalittlepond
We both know with storm troopers there would be no casualties.
ThaEnder
Would they be getter off not aiming at their target?
idontevenknowsillymonkey
Eh, sometimes shooting is not solely to hit someone
LoadingGod
Yeah, you stop an advance and are able to deprive the enemy of sleep.
SleezyHamHound
@OP This is awesome, depending on your location geographically, you should apply for a historical collector license to keep them legally :)
JoshyLifts
lol he can absolutely keep them legally, the receiver only needs cut in half if its functioning. ATF does not want those guns..
BlueskydragonFX
Actually keeping ww2 items is totally legal. Only things that aren't are weapons and explosives. You need a license for that.
Steffn
So these machineguns aren't considered as weapons?
BlueskydragonFX
They are and you need a licence.
mcphteven
Uh... You need a license for that? If it's not firing-worth, it's not a weapon, so why?
Pseudosim
Theyre in europe. They pretty much have the opposite of US gun laws.
tomyironmane
Hell, man, some governments you can get into deep shit for having spent brass without a permit, like in Washington DC....
hawkesnightmare
Some governments are really strict about it. Even stuff that can't work anymore.
MarekS
There should be some documentation that the firearm is actually inoperable. Piece of chamber chopped off, pin welded in the barrel...
MogseyInnit
They count as archeological artefacts and everyone is really strict on those because of the black market being what it is
schlummi
Some countries got really strict rules for weapons. Maybe they need to be demilitarized (drilling holes into the barrel etc).
SkinknamedJormungandr
If it is only drilling holes into the barrel and receiver, it might be intact enough to mount into a really cool display piece. If it
SkinknamedJormungandr
needs to involve cutting the piece up that would be really unfortunate as it wouldn't even be fit to be a historical artifact anymore...
MacRockatansky
In US the ATF would require the receiver be torch-cut into 3 pieces (if I remember correctly) doesn't matter that it already doesn't work
kingbrujah
yep, as an NFA collector I can confirm, and that breaks my heart...
Claytonious
Online and suddenly there are crude to expert copies everywhere. If few people have licenses, its theoretically easy to see who shared info
Claytonious
Because if you have machining experience you just need measurements off the weapon and you can make a copy. People can share the info 1/2
mcphteven
If you have equipment and skills, you don't need a prototype to make a weapon.All you need is material.So some machinery is controlled here.
Claytonious
If you want an exact copy of a machine gun, you need specific dimensions of internal parts, you can't just guess and have a working one
akki1904
Really depends, where i live even owning a trigger system or a barrel itself is very illegal without the correct permission
mcphteven
I see. And we have the idea of "expertise when unsure", so if the thing can not be used to fire live ammo - it's not a gun, thus no problems
akki1904
Pretty similar to our rules actually, but our goverment says that if you have a barrel or a trigger you can build the rest to make it fire..
thjoth
You can build barrels and triggers pretty easily on standard shop equipment as well but we probably shouldn't let them know that lest they >
DaveTheGreatDrunkard
That thing can probably still fire
Toggles
Lol, doubt it
TheBlazinDays
no, it cannot, all the tiny parts of the firing mechanism are far too rusted to work properly, and the barrel would be insanely pitted (1/2)
DaveTheGreatDrunkard
It may not fire "properly," but it's likely to be able to go "bang." All that requires is a spring and a pin.
TheBlazinDays
from all the rust, and would not fire properly causing the bullet to get lodged in the barrel, if another is fired behind it....
TheBlazinDays
the barrel will split, fragment, or completely explode causing injury. very bad idea to even attempt to fire it.
TugAndChug
Most countries have rules about what constitutes a deactivated weapon, and I these wouldn't meet them in many places.
BigBadBillyBoy
Welded firing mechanisms or filled barrels being methods I've seen before.