In the US we blast annoying music so homeless people cannot just sleep in public places. And have removed benches from subway. All so rich people don't have to be uncomfortable seeing poor people almost anywhere.
It's worth noting these terraces are very likely a flood/erosion control measure for a river that is likely just off screen. Their functionality as a relaxation space is likely incidental.
In China? Naw, they'll drag your @ss away if you try to do that. The Chinese don't mess around with that kind of thing, especially in nice areas like this.
Sure it will, a vegitated benched slope is more stable than a regular slope. A benched slope can be steeper and requires less room/excavation. It is the cheaper and easier option. For this reason we use them on mining slopes, trenches and large road cuts. As long as you guys keep the grass mowed it will look the same. The maintenance difficulty is the same no matter the reasoning for making it.
Possible indeed, but supposedly they actually tested it specifically for the purpose of humans relaxing on it in the design phase. Hard to find an ironclad source.
That it happens to be the most efficient engineered slope for the space constrains/steep slope into the water retention pond (billed as a basketball court) makes me real suspicious how much they studied vs applied a marketing spin on top of it.
Ah yes, Chinese urban design. So well known for creating soft and inviting spaces and not brutalist urban zones. If it is comfortable in China it is probably an accident (I speak from some experience as I have lived there).
I think that might be an effect of rapid modernization. They didn’t grow slowly over centuries or spread out like Western countries. They were funneled into cities and grew rapidly over a few decades. They seem to be making more effort to beautify cities these days. Wuxi is full of public parks and grassy areas today.
China has realized the flaw of car-centric urbanism and has been endeavoring for the last decade or so to restructure their urban areas to be more pedestrian friendly, sustainable, and ecologically friendly.
Modern Chinese urban design is not the same as it was decades ago. They actually did this thing called "learning and adapting to new information".
"You literally lived in China? Gained years of in person experience in the country? Saw countless sights, buildings, parks, and experiences? Pfft. I GOOGLED a single photo. You clearly have NO idea what you're talking about."
China's population is to be about 1.405 Billion people. If there are 10 million "one in every crowd" subjects, that means the empirical Chinese crowd size is ~140.5 people.
Empirically i agree with this. At 140 people , i always feel like "wow there's a bunch of people here, neat" Add one more person? Makes me feel crowded.
Meanwhile in America!!! (Just kidding, this is actually also China. I actually meant to google a pic of an American anti homeless thingy, but this was the top pic and turns out it it's in Guangzhou city in china). Very Yin/Yang.
What you're seeing is Maintained Public Order and Appearance. Whats not mentioned is jobless are detained,stuff taken and if they cannot find a job they are "encouraged to go back to their hometown. How is that better?
Usually it's called "hostile architecture" as a general term, because the more correct term of "anti-homeless architecture" is too on-the-nose, apparently
Yeah but also look where it is, between 2 busy roads thats really dangerous for everyone involved. Im not sayings its not malicious just that given an extreme lack of conext it could just be for safety
I dont generally support these things, but the location of these makes me think this one prevents people from camping in spots where it would increase foot traffic on roadways, and prevent people from sleeping where cars can crash into them.
Careful of the "foot-in-the-door" technique. First you say "yeah, this makes sense to me." Before you know it, there's hostile architecture all over the place and being enormously aggravating for everyone.
Nothing like that going on, and you're misusing the example from psych 100. Spikes in the middle of a bench? Hostile! Bumps to prevent people from laying down where they may get run over? Safety.
That's probably why - as you can see in the picture - the bike lane is on the other side... If you're in the passing lane on a bike refusing to use the bike lane you probably deserve whatever happens to you.
Next time I would advise using the words you actually mean. It helps with clarity. I would think someone on a motorcyle getting pushed over would be pretty dangerous for the person on the motorcycle regardless of little humps in the road were present or not. Maybe a better piece of advice is just not to push people on motorcycles over, especially when driving?
Could be a bit of both. They may not want people sleeping in between the roads for health and safety reasons. As long as they also provide safer shelters that they try to direct people towards it's completely reasonable to prevent people from sleeping in that particular spot.
there are far cheaper and easier ways to prevent drivers from going there. This is 100% an anti encampment tool. IE hostile architecture. It exists everywhere.
Alright... so? Humans are very adaptable; hostile architecture doesn't need to make things "impossible", just make them difficult/uncomfortable enough so that people go elsewhere. This is the dumbest argument to dig your heels in on.
I mean, there is enough room to walk there too, are you going to argue it's meant to be a pathway? If it was meant to be anti car, bollards or a single metal railing would accomplish the task with less time and money. While it's not impossible that is the intent, practicality says this is anti people and specifically anti someone setting up tents and the like
That's shifting the goalpost. There's a whole range between "meant to prevent something" and "meant to be for something".
That configuration would prevent cars. It would not prevent people sleeping, tho it would prevent setting a semi-permanent tent.
Anyhow all this is viewing things from an America-centric view. There is very little homelessness in China bc they address it thru other means. It's quite unlikely that they are spending this much on a bad solution to a problem they don't have.
TsunamiJohn
Whoaaaaa
djangojazz
In the US we blast annoying music so homeless people cannot just sleep in public places. And have removed benches from subway. All so rich people don't have to be uncomfortable seeing poor people almost anywhere.
cbale2000
It's worth noting these terraces are very likely a flood/erosion control measure for a river that is likely just off screen. Their functionality as a relaxation space is likely incidental.
HypnagogicHallucinations
What does the lawnmower look like?
laurapede83
I'm the dude who's faceplanting. Looks so comfy.
unluckyandbored
Perfect place to catch a nap partway through your 9-9 shift..
pullingsixty
I'd fall asleep at the top then slide down like a puddle of mercury.
MotoCanuck
BuT tHe HoMeLeSs
JRaven419
#3 I wonder if public snoo snoo is allowed
barbarian818
Good lord that'd be a pain to mow
jankyupeblik
https://www.sasaki.com/voices/human-centered-design-in-sasakis-xuhui-runway-park/
sailorjurai108
I’d def hang out with the people in #3 I’d be there with feet above my head
VagrantKoba
Just a side note, originally you would get in trouble for being on the grass in China.
Blackfinity
Doesn't look very wheelchair friendly.
backroadstoboston1
We need this in Boston
ByThePowerOfSCIENCE
jtxyz
Allentown, PA has Amphitheater Park, which was an old WPA project and has terraced seating. It is a really cool park.

https://livingnewdeal.org/sites/union-terrace-amphitheater-allentown-pa/
Changokingogringo
No dog crap, either!
dmTim
How do you mow the incline?
Cranbananarama
*drives through on a mower* "Grass is a bit bumpy today..."
urusername2
But where are the spikes to keep them from doing it? The Chinese don't know how to take care of their citizens.
ZuluThreeZero
Congratulations, you've won free re-education!
urusername2
Quick, now. lets sent the Orange Terd to China!
fyrekitten
How do they mow?
pumpactionsunshine
One man goes to mow
Steady the flow of aid that follows
Reliably his trusty canine barks
swedeonamoose
perfect place for people to gather to sleep off their night out.
cbale2000
In China? Naw, they'll drag your @ss away if you try to do that. The Chinese don't mess around with that kind of thing, especially in nice areas like this.
greggbert
Have you met their police?
SecurityBadger
Must be a bitch to mow, though.
76000BatteryLlamas
*This one terraced lawn in this one particular spot in China is engineered for this purpose
MantisTobagganMD
-1 Social Score.
australind
As long as I don't have to mow it
notifybay151
https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1MjMxNW12d2kwZ2lvaTFhNHMyaTN0OXp2ajUwdnk1MW82eWpjeW1vbCZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/XJ2xkcxgyFrJYMCgzE/200w.webp CCP got this
Darien000
I just mowed my lawn, first time this year... Then I pop on to see this. Welp.
SaturnineCult
If they just made the whole park round, then you could mow that slope comfortably if you had enough speed.
johneventually1
NASCAR plus mower blades... I'm listening
Filanwizard
Lawn mower racing is in fact a thing in the US.
michiyl
So, Carmageddon!
Whipzinger
It looks like the exact width of a mower....
OnyxTurret
I've never tried mowing at 60 degrees, might be fine...
iamthemurray
They make mowers that can trim at an angle. It's probably not as difficult as it looks. There's always some sort of tool for specific tasks lol
TheRicM
What’s wrong honey? You haven’t used your LugeMower 2000 since I bought you it for your birthday
itxtalone
i have... its not
isetprettygirlsonfire
As a geologic engineer, more likely it is designed to be a stable slope that just happens to be a nice resting angle
RacecarIsRacecarBackwards
As a landscape architect, sure, this is feasible. But with the way it is used it won't look like this for long. Also very hard to maintain.
isetprettygirlsonfire
Sure it will, a vegitated benched slope is more stable than a regular slope. A benched slope can be steeper and requires less room/excavation. It is the cheaper and easier option. For this reason we use them on mining slopes, trenches and large road cuts. As long as you guys keep the grass mowed it will look the same. The maintenance difficulty is the same no matter the reasoning for making it.
isetprettygirlsonfire
https://urbanpour.com.au/blog/site-benching-vs-grading
jankyupeblik
https://www.sasaki.com/voices/human-centered-design-in-sasakis-xuhui-runway-park/
isetprettygirlsonfire
Sounds like they sold y'all on the cheapest method to make a stable slope as intentional for comfort. That's good marketing there
jankyupeblik
Possible indeed, but supposedly they actually tested it specifically for the purpose of humans relaxing on it in the design phase. Hard to find an ironclad source.
isetprettygirlsonfire
That it happens to be the most efficient engineered slope for the space constrains/steep slope into the water retention pond (billed as a basketball court) makes me real suspicious how much they studied vs applied a marketing spin on top of it.
jankyupeblik
Same. Perhaps a mix of both.
titoitoi
Urban design is a thing my dude
VictorDenn
Ah yes, Chinese urban design. So well known for creating soft and inviting spaces and not brutalist urban zones. If it is comfortable in China it is probably an accident (I speak from some experience as I have lived there).
loma45
https://www.sasaki.com/voices/human-centered-design-in-sasakis-xuhui-runway-park/
It actually is Chinese urban design, and is not an accident. If you're going to be cynical and sarcastic you'd also better be right.
killergrooves85
I think that might be an effect of rapid modernization. They didn’t grow slowly over centuries or spread out like Western countries. They were funneled into cities and grew rapidly over a few decades. They seem to be making more effort to beautify cities these days. Wuxi is full of public parks and grassy areas today.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Oh piss off with the blind "China bad" bullshit.
China has realized the flaw of car-centric urbanism and has been endeavoring for the last decade or so to restructure their urban areas to be more pedestrian friendly, sustainable, and ecologically friendly.
Modern Chinese urban design is not the same as it was decades ago. They actually did this thing called "learning and adapting to new information".
shehdbeuebw738373
Google is free. This is in Shanghai and was specifically designed for rest.
ThisNameUnavailable
"You literally lived in China? Gained years of in person experience in the country? Saw countless sights, buildings, parks, and experiences? Pfft. I GOOGLED a single photo. You clearly have NO idea what you're talking about."
CaptainScarfish
Imagine getting clowned on multiple times in this thread with citations and you're still being a belligerent asshole.
shehdbeuebw738373
If the topic is the intent of the design of that single park... I mean... Yes?
I've lived in America over 40 years but I'd trust a Wikipedia article about a skyscraper more than my own random guess.
t9dawg
Been many "China is great" posts on this site recently..
TyphoonMuscles
I'd shill for China if I got paid for it.
tzahtman
I'm sure it is just a coincidence.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Probably because people are waking up to the decades of "China bad" propaganda being pushed by the US and its allies.
JRaven419
Arbitrarynamehere
I'll bite. Name something China does that is bad that the US doesn't also do but worse.
MightyZephyr
The theft of intellectual properties
Arbitrarynamehere
Who gives a fuck about that lmao
MightyZephyr
The rest of the developed world has fairly strict laws against copyright and patent infringement. So, the world.
According to Biden's FBI, Chinese IP theft cost the US 400 to 600 billion annually.
Arbitrarynamehere
I'm ideologically against IP laws to begin with and I don't really care about protecting corporation's anticompetitive practices.
IamnotarobitIseethenumber2
This is why we can't have nice things.

SecondSince
The orange cat's of people!
MantisTobagganMD
That looks like it could do incredible things for my lower back...
rbudrick
I am not seeing the problem.
jamandtoast
It's the perfect angle!
Hypothesist
sometimes it feels good to stretch
BeaverOnFire
ChikaChickaBowWow
Looks good for stretching
AzraelEternity
Chiropractors hate this one weird trick.
Grimmrog
I was immediately thinking: my back could need this
gIoblobbIobgob
Yeah, it’s a bit of a turf war
DemSumBigAssRidges
My back is BEGGING me to go do that.
TheDoctorCrankenstein
Same. Immediate thought was "that looks so comfortable"
IamnotarobitIseethenumber2
I feel like if I did this my back would be so unhappy when I woke up though! I'd rather hold onto monkey bars and relax my back
joe6paques
There’s one in every crowd. Which means there’s like 10 million of them in China.
MantisTobagganMD
China's population is to be about 1.405 Billion people. If there are 10 million "one in every crowd" subjects, that means the empirical Chinese crowd size is ~140.5 people.
shorey66
He did the maths
Jinxer13
Empirically i agree with this. At 140 people , i always feel like "wow there's a bunch of people here, neat" Add one more person? Makes me feel crowded.
Zetor
I'm more of a jeans short guy...
XuncuTheTiger
"Fuck it, just pile dirt on top; I'm ready."
TheLastBootyBender
You single? 😏
Zetor
Your name makes me nervous. 😁
BaldShaun
nervous, but curious....
pareidoliaperson
4th wheel, at your service.
taez555
Meanwhile in America!!! (Just kidding, this is actually also China. I actually meant to google a pic of an American anti homeless thingy, but this was the top pic and turns out it it's in Guangzhou city in china). Very Yin/Yang.
pfunk81
Some nice hostile architecture
Misteree8
What you're seeing is Maintained Public Order and Appearance. Whats not mentioned is jobless are detained,stuff taken and if they cannot find a job they are "encouraged to go back to their hometown. How is that better?
aslum
If there was ample instances of the OPs grassy spots, and everyone was encouraged to use them, I'd be almost okay with this.
BananaForScaIe
This is clearly for safety. It's how scooters slow down.
ChunkySmoothie
Usually it's called "hostile architecture" as a general term, because the more correct term of "anti-homeless architecture" is too on-the-nose, apparently
Rynestrm
Screw you homeless people trying to get out of bad weather!!
Uptoo11ven
Looks to like a good start to me. A sheet of plywood and I have a raised floor.
PoofieThePotato
plywood? -in this economy?
kathlTvVillain
https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1N29ieWxqMXBjZHUwb2JxNnJiZW01cXZrbTNidHFucHd6d3M5ZHN3ZiZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/A7TNgi6RfeyVT6S3J5/200w.webp
butcherfan0301
Help keeps the rain from trickling in
pilomotor
The air gap also helps stop the ground from draining your body heat on cold nights.
reichstein
The world is a vampire.
uplookdont
Yeah but also look where it is, between 2 busy roads thats really dangerous for everyone involved. Im not sayings its not malicious just that given an extreme lack of conext it could just be for safety
do7rkb5n
I dont generally support these things, but the location of these makes me think this one prevents people from camping in spots where it would increase foot traffic on roadways, and prevent people from sleeping where cars can crash into them.
Anaphriel
You only get grass if your social credit is high enough.
thismyburnerbutyoucangetdigits
Or white enough for American users
FurtiveGlancer
Versus any asshole in America can do anything they want - pedophiles welcome!
AllSeeingAvalin
Thats only for people who make more than 200k per year. If you make less your just another meat sack to throw in the meat grinder.
ELKronos
You mean they don't want you sleeping under an overpass between two busy roads where you could get run over? Those monsters!
Wasnbo
Careful of the "foot-in-the-door" technique. First you say "yeah, this makes sense to me." Before you know it, there's hostile architecture all over the place and being enormously aggravating for everyone.
ELKronos
Nothing like that going on, and you're misusing the example from psych 100. Spikes in the middle of a bench? Hostile! Bumps to prevent people from laying down where they may get run over? Safety.
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MapleSyrupMafia
Imagine being on a bike and get pushed off the road and fall on that.
LurkerResearcher
That's probably why - as you can see in the picture - the bike lane is on the other side... If you're in the passing lane on a bike refusing to use the bike lane you probably deserve whatever happens to you.
MapleSyrupMafia
As in motorcycle...
LurkerResearcher
Next time I would advise using the words you actually mean. It helps with clarity. I would think someone on a motorcyle getting pushed over would be pretty dangerous for the person on the motorcycle regardless of little humps in the road were present or not. Maybe a better piece of advice is just not to push people on motorcycles over, especially when driving?
EstoyPoopis
Yes, incredibly smart person, this is all done with the homeless safety in mind.
Goddamn moron.
LurkerResearcher
Don't be so hard on yourself! I don't think you're that stupid.
preparanoid
This is likely more for drivers than people sleeping
eronth
You could do a far cheaper ring around the outside to handle that, middle could be clear of any extra effort.
pixelsnader
No then it'd be just a spiky pyramid border. Or some bollards or high vis poles or a fence. This is way extra effort for just car deterrence.
theshinobi23
It can be 2 things
DesperateDunn365
There would just be a single row on each side if that was the case.
Colopty
Could be a bit of both. They may not want people sleeping in between the roads for health and safety reasons. As long as they also provide safer shelters that they try to direct people towards it's completely reasonable to prevent people from sleeping in that particular spot.
RAJrios
Agreed, that is a terrible spot to start sleepwalking in. It's literally between two streets with no pedestrian access.
Treiskaideka
That positioning looks like another big purpose would be to stop car parking there and dissuade people crossing to turning around.
Atomic2
there are far cheaper and easier ways to prevent drivers from going there. This is 100% an anti encampment tool. IE hostile architecture. It exists everywhere.
haggerton
The space between rows is large enough for the average Chinese person to lie on their side tho.
ThisNameUnavailable
POV: you're a tankie who hates America and is physically incapable of admitting China has done anything bad or wrong ever.
Atomic2
Alright... so? Humans are very adaptable; hostile architecture doesn't need to make things "impossible", just make them difficult/uncomfortable enough so that people go elsewhere. This is the dumbest argument to dig your heels in on.
JustLettingPeopleBeWrong
>sees anti homeless architecture
>decides it isn't anti homeless enough
Yeah, good fuckin' job.
Ristari
I mean, there is enough room to walk there too, are you going to argue it's meant to be a pathway? If it was meant to be anti car, bollards or a single metal railing would accomplish the task with less time and money. While it's not impossible that is the intent, practicality says this is anti people and specifically anti someone setting up tents and the like
haggerton
That's shifting the goalpost. There's a whole range between "meant to prevent something" and "meant to be for something".
That configuration would prevent cars. It would not prevent people sleeping, tho it would prevent setting a semi-permanent tent.
Anyhow all this is viewing things from an America-centric view. There is very little homelessness in China bc they address it thru other means. It's quite unlikely that they are spending this much on a bad solution to a problem they don't have.