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GrimdogX
So from what I can tell Grade Quotas have been a thing before(very rarely and this isn't the actual reasoning)but this wasn't how it worked.
DevByTradeAndLove
I had a teacher lie for an entire semester about my grades and at a p/t conference my parents caught him. He "retired" about two weeks later
dustinteractive
Sorry about that man. Proud that you pushed through.
WyrdFate
This is the opposite of true. Ideally the system wants all As given out and you have to work to give lower grades.
dustinteractive
So you know that for a fact? You're an idiot.
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
Sometimes I wish all the teachers who thought I was stupid could see me now. Doing cancer research with NIH. It gets better!
dustinteractive
PRoud of you!
Sturmgeschutz
Wow I cant wait to see some idiot think that the "grade quota" is real and try to get mad at teachers over it.
dustinteractive
Well, I've got thousands of likes and you're just a coward in the comment section. Who wins? Like I said, I get the last laugh little bitch
Sturmgeschutz
Gottem
Raxiel
Some idiot at my company came up with a similar quota for performance reviews. By their reckoning there must be a bell curve of results or
Raxiel
The scale wasn't being applied properly. So management started marking people down unfairly. Except the company was slow to hand out
Raxiel
Promotions (but not responsibilities), so there was a natural skew to people being competent or exceeding competency for their current job
Raxiel
The only way for an even bell curve to appear is for a wave of promotions to unsuitable people
JamesProton
I’m not saying you’re lying but I think it is a good possibility that you misread the entire situation.
MrBEC
In Grade School I stabbed Someone with A Pencil out of Anger and They died. I Work as a Lawnboy to this Day
FarkasMacTavish
This entire comic is based on a premise that isn't even plausible, let alone true.
dustinteractive
Lol, you've literally stated no fact or evidence to back your claim. Absolutely fucking pathetic.
FarkasMacTavish
The grand conspiracy of arbitrary grade quotas that bring individual grades down for no reason is the extraordinary claim.
FarkasMacTavish
Also, as a skeptic, I have no need to back ip my cry of "bullshit!".
serafinterrapin
@OP, did you actually do research and find stated or spoken evidence that your district indeed had quotas? This just seems like you got 1/2
serafinterrapin
2/2 an idea into your head and just ran with it.
Wolvenlight
It could be what he's blaming it on. Though giving him the benefit of the doubt, he could mean set amount bell curve models.
byronwashington
Did you know there was an actual quota or just assumed? Because the story has no follow through. Did you confront the school, fight it? I...
byronwashington
never heard of a quota like this (and I'm probably older than you). In fact most schools get more funding if their overall GPA is higher.
mycousinislame
Be may be referring to a grade curve, which isn't the same thing. That said, my company does this for year end reviews and it's bs
ericus220
This comic is garbage. At best it shows how kids misunderstand things. How does it even apply to mental health? You got a bad grade, boohoo
dustinteractive
You represent everything pathetic about the current world. You understood nothing, made assumptions. You are a coward ass bitch.
dustinteractive
I have ADHD which going undiagnosed for so many years led to some serious depression. I’m glad you had a better educational experience.
wakeforthesun
Seems like this story suggests you should overcome unfairness by being more motivated, which is the opposite of what it’s like to have ADHD.
dustinteractive
Being stigmatized by a mental disorder doesn’t bother me anymore. ADHD actually enables me to hyper focus on things I’m passionate about.
dustinteractive
I had ADHD and undiagnosed lead to severe depression. Let me guess you got good grades? Did I devalue the only thing you were good at? Bitch
DrSirSexyLegs
Never been an above average student Cs and Bs mostly. Always thought I was stupid because of it, now I'm studying astronautical engineering.
DMSledge
I haven't seen a quota like that. Didn't stop one teacher from always giving me the exact same mark on every assignment.\
DMSledge
This includes assignments that I literally didn't do and assignments I asked another teacher to check.
LordSchomski
I had to downvote because while I like your comic, you're reasoning as to why you got a C+ was due to a "quota" is absolute nonsense.
dustinteractive
Lol... I guess I should’ve explained the first part a little more but that wasn’t really supposed to be the focus of the comic
JamesProton
Unfortunately the majority of your comic seems focused on the “teacher is lying to keep me down” rather than you moving forward regardless
dustinteractive
That definitely seems to be the part that people are focusing on
WeAreJustDustInTheWind
Don't worry work is a million times worse
BQZip
I’ll take “stories from the internet that definitely aren’t real” for $600, Alex
dustinteractive
Lol at least that was actually funny. People are really fired up about this one.
BQZip
Dude is so pissed he seeks revenge on a teacher then an unrelated note about mental health...?
dustinteractive
...teacher stigmatized and bullied me. I made a comic trying to connect with my younger readers if they’re going through something similar
dustinteractive
I don’t really being dragged by a bunch of neckbeards. This comic was actually uploaded here on accident
BQZip
Not really following your logic here
dustinteractive
I have severe ADHD that went undiagnosed for years which led to severe depression. Instead of trying to figure out what was wrong...
AngstAussie
Some schools grade to a bell curve as they need a way to differentiate.
FarkasMacTavish
Yeah, but that's to raise the grades of everybody in the class. It doesn't bring anybody's grade DOWN.
oltec31
It can if everyone in the class happens to be really good though. If you scored 85/100 on an exam and everyone else scored higher, 1/2
oltec31
You'd end up with an F using a bell curve, instead of a B you'd get without one.
AngstAussie
Thats wrong. A bell curve plots everyone somewhere on the curve regardless. They can use it if everyone got 20% or 80% and it spreads along.
MichaelAndersen88
Curving can bring grades down. Ivy League law schools are renown for having harsh curves, where 90% ends up as a failing grade.
CrankFurry
Extra credit shouldn’t be allowed, and not everyone is going to get an A. That’s life.
dustinteractive
And now I'm a C student who destroys bitches like you cuz i'm more creative and can actually achieve valuable tasks.
CrankFurry
Sure you are.
dustinteractive
Still lurking in corners of imgur after hours. Doesn’t sound like your changing the world. Do more.
CrankFurry
Wouldn’t that apply to you as well? It’s not a very good insult if it also applies to you.
JustABookworm
I do think extra credit is fine, as long as it requires work. But yes, not everyone's going to get an A
Isorikk
Teacher here: If you get a C in a class it's because you earned it. My school pays me a bonus for how many kids show academic growth.
dustinteractive
Just want to be clear, I really respect your profession. Perhaps I should’ve called out the fact that I’ve had good teachers as well.
dustinteractive
But yeah this was a situation where I was robbed of a grade that I earned. I’m sorry. It’s a true story. 100%
Aecusim
Sounds like you're just playing the victim
ilovecake
Yeah, no. There are teachers who are notorious for being dicks - regardless of how much you try and do the work.
Isorikk
This sounds like bias my friend. I know many teachers who are considered "mean" by students and they're completely justified in their grades
dustinteractive
Lol the teacher claiming that all teachers are awesome cuz he’s one, just called you biased ?
Isorikk
I never said they're awesome, I said they have incentives to pass students. It wouldn't make any sense to fail them "just because."
ilovecake
Tell that to my friends who had teachers slam textbooks on their hands in elementary school and gave them bad grades if they complained.
ilovecake
It’s not fucking bias. There are shitty people in this world who shouldn’t have the power of being a teacher.
ilovecake
I had one male gym teacher flunk me because I wouldn’t open my towel to show him my bathing suit I had on for our swim day. Bias? GTFO.
Isorikk
I'm going to guess it's warped memories if in elementary school, but no school allows physical abuse of students and is easily reportable.
ilovecake
As someone with mental health stuff, I fail to see how this is about mental health. Are you trying to imply the teacher is gaslighting?
dustinteractive
I have severe ADHD that, undiagnosed lead to severe depression. Did I have to spell that out? Are you that dense?
ilovecake
Nowhere is it obvious the child has a learning disability. It doesn’t state it nor does the child say how it’s hard to remain focused.
ilovecake
Also there are no indications that they have depression as a result. It reads more “I tried my best for a test, I didn’t do well, so I
ilovecake
Approached the teacher for extra credit and believed them to be a liar.” How on earth is that about mental health? And no, I’m not dense.
ilovecake
But it’s super cute that rather than giving a constructive response you went right for an insult and went on the defensive. Good job.
Axianamos
Reading your comments I can see why you're getting attacked. You're an idiot. I liked the message of the comic but you're spewing nonsense
blueseconomist
Thank you for pointing it out. I almost bought their bullshit.
dustinteractive
Let me guess, you got decent grades and think my comic devalues the only thing you were good at. Lol drink Bleach pussy ass bitch
Axianamos
No. I got straight C's and slacked off. Read my comment. I like the comic. Its your comments that are idiotic. Like this one.
dustinteractive
Hey man, don’t call bullshit then cower like a bitch when I respond.
Axianamos
I started reporting your abusive and hostile replies but there are so many just from the last few hours I got tired of it
tjcaustin
Imagine being so insecure, you have to start calling people bitch and bragging that you're viral.
thevortexmaster
My wife's a teacher and this is bull
dustinteractive
LOL cuz your wife is a teacher this doesn't make sense huh? Fucking coward.
thevortexmaster
Not a clue what your comment is for. 2 weeks old, but either way not sure what the name calling is for. Something doesn't make sense and>>
thevortexmaster
That's a reason to pull out insults. Very childish
dustinteractive
Lol you called me a liar then cower when I snapped back. Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it
thevortexmaster
I didn't call you a liar. I simply asked my wife and she said it's bull. I now realize you made this comic. That I didn't know and I now>>>>
thevortexmaster
Plus you used coward in such a weird way. It doesn't even make sense towards my single comment
thesteamdriven
When I was in 4th grade I had substitute tell me I was wrong and that spiders had 10 legs.
gamblingpoet
In 5th grade, I got a C because I wrote an character analysis on the character IT and she said I used the pronoun "It" too much.
apLundell
I had a science teacher tell me that snakes had no bones.
angelghoul
my art teacher in 6th grade claimed she drew my picture i turned in because it was so good and she had examples out and claimed i took one.
angelghoul
i didnt it was my own work and i hd to redraw it infront of her and she still didnt believe me. She made art not fun ☹️
sunnysloth
Maybe she felt embarrassed that someone so young was already at her level. Good for you, you probably have raw talent.
angelghoul
yes, but its sad because she kinda killed creativity for all the students, & alot of my peers expressed how sad they were because art is fun
angelghoul
and she somehow made it the worst thing in our existence at the time (we were kids)
byronwashington
The more I think about it, the less it makes sense. Was this policy known or just assumed? If it was, why didn't parents complain? How...
dustinteractive
IT was known. It was public.
byronwashington
did you know you were personally affected without knowing everyone elses grades? Why does the story have no ending? At the very least you...
byronwashington
would have told a parent and they would have complained to the teacher/principle and had your grades in the class looked at?
thatsnotmydog
Had a nun in 5th grade tell me I was stupid. Everyday since has been a mission to prove her wrong. That was 30+ yrs ago, and I won.
Sauroctonus
Well there's your problem, there's nuns in your school.
Grandolddrummer
Quick! Say something smart!
thatsnotmydog
I have a degree in engineering and am a sys admin for a global company. What would you like me to say?
kmikl
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Deadmanwalkn
Is there *any* evidence that's due to "female teachers pushing males out of school" vs females just being more interested n studied than men
SidneyHarbor
There's hundreds of stories about schools failing boys. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-boys-are-failing-in-a_b_884262
SidneyHarbor
The short version is: girls and boys have different leaning styles and schools choose to cater to girls' learning style.
DoorCellar
I'm not sure you're failing for the reasons you think you are failing.
jakefromstatefarmmmmmm
Not that I agree with his correlation, but he never said he was failing.
DoorCellar
He's failing to convince people of his point. I suspect he might think that's due to the readers not his comment.
jakefromstatefarmmmmmm
Oh yea I think that’s because his point is retarded lol
thatsnotmydog
Yes I'm male, but I doubt that was her motivation. She hated me, and my family. It's a long story that maybe I'll post someday.
IGenerallyPostThumbsUpGifs
Spite is a powerful motivator.
TiroDvD
I believe the movie "Doubt" put it well. Mother Superior: You are to be their teacher not their friend.
thatsnotmydog
Whenever I feel like I've messed up something bad or just want to walk away - THAT ^^^^, is what gets me out of bed.
Muttons1337
It wasn't for me
KingTonTon
So based on nothing the kid knows his teacher has a grade quota and is lying and it couldn't possibly be his fault? Mental problem indeed.
serafinterrapin
Right?
dustinteractive
We could sit here and try and dissect the proof that I have that the teacher lied to me... I feel like that would take away from my message
dustinteractive
The comic isn’t really about me getting screwed. I just wanted my younger readers to know grades don’t really matter that much.
forkani
Qq why would you killed yourself for getting bad grade? It'd mean you had the wrong education about grades, might also means your parents' -
dustinteractive
“Killed myself for” means that I worked really hard at.
forkani
Expectations on the matter isn't supposed to be that way. The mentality already wrong about perceiving grade, not how you get wronged.
forkani
Grades aren't everything, find and pursue what you love.
DarkZalgo
Actually that's been proven to be the single worst piece of advice you can follow. Do not try and pursue what you love just because you
thisdarkthing
There's no such thing as grade quotas.
NiteHamer
I had version of them in my Prep School and College , 8th grade seems a bit odd, even if it was a private school that's young to start
Caesar56
Wait until you get into university my dude.
goflyblind
eighteen years, six universities, never so much heard of a quota.
dustinteractive
So they must not exist then, right!?
IrukandjiJelly
Actually there are in some schools. A similar concept is called 'bell-curving.' It's quite common.
dragonfliet
Curves aren't quotas. Adding extra credit doesn't change how curves work. This comic is nonsense
MichaelAndersen88
Curves are quotas, but most people mix up grade curving and grade normalization.
oltec31
True bell curving is a quota system though. It assigns grades based upon how well you did compared to the rest of the class 1/2
oltec31
so the first 10 or 15% get A's, the next group of people get's B's, and so on regardless of the actual grade you received.
LodeRunner92
I've had the professors lay out explicit bell curves for the class in nearly every STEM course I've taken.
goflyblind
that's... not the same thing. at all.
LodeRunner92
It does mean guaranteed D's and F's regardless of absolute performance, grades were only based on relative performance to other students
Wolvenlight
Princeton had one for about a decade: https://www.newsweek.com/princeton-looks-scrap-grade-quotas-263363
thisdarkthing
I was more defending from the grade-high school perspective since that's what the comic was attacking
thisdarkthing
I was more defending from the grade-high school perspective since that's what the comic was attacking
Wolvenlight
That's fair. OP could have meant a bell curve model with a set amount of A's and B's to give. Not exactly "grade quotas" but it's similar,-
thisdarkthing
True, bell curve is definitely a thing, but completely different from the implication of the comic. I just get a little salty when we 1/2
thisdarkthing
Blame teachers for the grades we receive, since now that I'm a teacher that shit is annoying.
Wolvenlight
and while rare nowadays, was more common K-12 in the past: https://www.k12academics.com/education-assessment-evaluation/bell-curve-grading
Wolvenlight
I'd say when teachers can determine set amounts of each grade to give based on number of students, grade quota is not entirely inaccurate.
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
maybe not explicitly. at least in college, a prof said they get in trouble if everyone gets A's or huge amounts of people get poor marks.
thisdarkthing
I was speaking more below college since that's what this comic was attacking
FyreFaux
Yeah but what the guys implying is that grade points he recieved were explicitly left off his marks to leave him at a C to meet quota
JudgeNotByTheColorOfOnesSkinButByTheContentsOfOnesDumps
Once I wrote a paper that was incredibly well done. I'm an A student with a 4.0 GPA. Prof didn't like me though. Gave me an 80 on it
ThisNameUnavailable
JudgeNotByTheColorOfOnesSkinButByTheContentsOfOnesDumps
I mean. I worked really fucking hard on it. My grades are important to me and it did sting. I wasn't bragging just giving character context
ThisNameUnavailable
Lol dw I'm actually in the same spot man. I'd be cheesed with an 80 too, but I've found most people are happy with B's and give me shit for
AmHumanNotLizardMan
That's not a grade quota though, at least not as depicted in the OP. That's curve grading.
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
yeah but his point was that grades seemed to be based on competitive performance rather than actual performance so its dumb to dogpile him
CandidGamera
Faculty noticing that someone clearly can't teach because their students can't pass the exams or they just throw around As because they ->
CandidGamera
<- don't bother with real teaching or grading doesn't necessarily entail curve grading.
zFUBARz
Which is still pretty bullshit.
AmHumanNotLizardMan
I think there are merits and downsides to curve grading. The big downside is obviously that you're competing against your class and not at
AmHumanNotLizardMan
any national level, which means if your classmates are exceptional you could fail despite being pretty average. The reverse could also be
WERMcrack
I had a class in which I did very well, extra work and such. Got a B. Asked the professor about it and he said "I just don't give 'A's."
TruckloadsOfBroccoli
Was this teacher not loved enough as a child? jeez
reduglie
Right, cause nothing’s perfect - not me or you or the brakes on a teacher’s car.
dabbycats
I hate teaches like that
SeriousHustler
Well maybe the brakes on his car aren't A's as well
LooseyGooseyBrett
If anyone actually hears this, challenge it. Go to the principal or the Dean at the college and challenge it. Source: I'm a teacher
vagimusprime
Had a prof who said "I don't give As." When I got an A, I mentioned it and he said "I didn't give you an A, you earned it." Wholesome AF.
stxtfr
Community college history professor said no A's on essays because if we were that good we'd be at a university. Final grade was curved tho
comacomacomacomachameleon
Keep your syllabus that explains the breakdown of your grade. Keep all of your graded assignments.
TheHaloFollower
Take it to the department head if it's a college
mrnewking9000
What if the professor is the department head. Literally had that happen to me
Amythyst
The dean.
legofham
Hello Deeeeeaan, you're a stupid head
theobstruction
Any teacher that does that should be fired.
kittyskittles
That sucks! Keep in mind university professors were never trained to teach
loupgarou21
I had a teacher that gave everyone a ‘B’ and if you complained he would raise it to an ‘A’
CandyIsDandyButCraftBeerIsDandier
Tenured old fart Econ 101 prof essentially *bragged* that hardly anyone got an A in his class. Horn rimmed glasses and pocket protector. 1/
PunnyTiger
"no one gets an A in my class" "Really? are you that bad a teacher that no one can fully learn the subject matter from you?"
CandyIsDandyButCraftBeerIsDandier
Exactly.
CandyIsDandyButCraftBeerIsDandier
Dropped the class and found a summer 101 & 102 class at my local community college, where supply and demand of beer, chips, & pretzels 2/
MichiMikey
This is the first time i've ever heard of a grade quota, is this a normal thing? Why would a school even need something like that???
Caesar56
Really? Universities survive this way, making you pay for repeating courses.
KinetoPlay
No man, you just suck. As long as they have a butt in the seat they get their money. And they have a waiting list of butts.
confanity
It's not a normal thing at all and seems pretty counterintuitive. Normally if you aimed for fake grades you'd be raising them, not lowering.
Revadarius
In the UK I was held off being in the top class due to there being too many seats. I was dropped for being 1st on the register.
TakeTheStairs
the answers here will vary with region and level of education at the school. ppl stating absolutes here are no doubt wrong.
TripleDane
not hear of a grade quote but a grade based on the class average. So if you are in with a bunch of idiots you get a higher grade.
TripleDane
if you get in with a bunch of geniuses then you score will go lower.
TripleDane
its absolute idiotic in my mind as because it makes grades uncomparable which removes the very essence of the reason behind them.
DulothX
While you don't see a grade 'quota'; more typically, a teacher's students are supposed to fall into a certain range in some schools, and(1/4
DulothX
if they don't have a certain spread, that means that, as far as the principal/etc are concerned, the teacher must be going too easy or(2/4)
DulothX
too hard, and thus corrective action must be taken on the teacher. I know of a woman whose taught at over 8 schools and had two of them (3/4
DulothX
where this sort of bullshit occured. It is rare, and stupid, but it happens sometimes. This story is unlikely, but plausible.(4/4)
DulothX
(Just for example, a class of 30 might supposed to have 5 As, 7 Bs, 11 Cs, and 7 D/Fs. If the teacher has 12 As, the administrator would(1/3
Nilta1
It's bullshit
MVPHingleMcCringleBerry
At the college level I’ve heard teachers talk about something similar. If they have to many students getting A or F, then they get talked to
GodsFoot
This is real. ASU just got caught doing this in economics courses. Artificially changing grades to keep a quota
youcancallmesusanifitmakesyouhappy
I have several teachers in the fam for several generations, at least here in the states it isn’t and hasn’t ever been a thing.
darkoshen
I've never heard of it either. The most insidious thing is when an administrator raises a student's grade so they can continue to play ball.
mcc3
English teacher here: grade quota is bullshit. Never heard of it and can see no logic/reason behind having one. Ever.
TruncatedAppendages
It doesn't exists. Seems more of a coping mechanism by OP, but if it motivated them to try harder and do better is it so bad?
MichaelAndersen88
I saw weird policies as a substitute teacher. Totally possible that some middle school decided to have a school wide quota.
TruncatedAppendages
Oh jeez that sounds awful!
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
To make sure enough kids fail that they have to do the class over and earn them more money is my guess
kelshmeh
Not a quota, but had teachers decide based on first essay what range of student you were, I was a “B student” and no improvement mattered
MissSiesta
Yup. My secondary school used this. Remembered being told the year's As had been handed out already.
2020Gamer
I've seen them crop up every once in a while, all it *really* proves is the coursework is made for a small percentage of the students.
NamedMeMyself
Used to be a thing here in Sweden in the "good old times" when my parents were at school... I have no idea why though.
nicolaisheen
In high school one of my teachers literally said that 5 people HAD to fail the class. Back then I thought she wasn't joking.
armagetz
Never heard of it in grade school, it’s rather common in classes to assign grades based on statistical breakdowns.
TheElectricMonk
Teacher here. Absolutely never heard of it. Not in my country at least.
dbxxx
It's what "grading on the curve" means, although these days "curving" is used pretty differently. Law school still works this way tho ...
dbxxx
Grades are relative to the rest of the class rather than an objective standard
makesense
There is this thought that if too many students do really well, the class isn't difficult enough. The quotas make it appear it is.
BadenBadenLillies
2) grading on a bell curve is a real thing and is used. Though admittedly the college lecturer just refused to grade like that and just
maplepancakes
I work in schools. There is more pressure to make sure your kids pass standardized tests. So if anything, the grade quota is the other way.
semperrva
This is not a thing, or is at least extremely rare. The exact opposite (grade inflation) is actually a pervasive and acknowledged problem
MichaelAndersen88
True, but for every problem in education there is some administrator trying some idiotic way to "fix" it. I
semperrva
A very good point
Higure
I have heard of universities that do it. Couldn't tell you which, though, so it may just be rumours.
MrBrainslowski
The fact alone, that we don't know for sure and have to ask, says a lot about democratic education systems.
CriticalMinne
Maybe it's the curve?
in70x
Lmfao @ @OP getting shit on
Thephedora
Ive never heard of it, but there was a class quota similar to the grade quota before highschool once.
ErikBilling
We hade it in Sweden during the nineties. Fucked Up.
Bubbells
Can confirm one or two professors in college did this
BadenBadenLillies
3) gave whatever grade/% he felt your work deserved.
VIIVIIIIX
This person is advocating mental health. There are mental health explanations for why they think there was something like a 'grade quota'.
quadralol
America.
wooshoo1992
My friend taught HS English and had a hard pass quota up in CO. She simply wasnt willing to pass students writing in text speak and moved.
elinveronicap
I was thinking this is more in line with grading on a curve, so it doesn't have quotas per se, but that is what it ends up being.
Raxiel
I don't believe there's a grade quota, but i can believe there's an attitude that 'too many good scores mean the teacher is grading easy to
Raxiel
Make themselves look better' from above, and apply pressure to show results that 'fit the curve'. Its bullshit, but sadly plausible
dovebair
dude, no. Especially during no child left behind, people needed to get certain grades for the school even get funding.
Alpha5772
In my nursing program they had 34 slots for the second year, they admit 10 LVNs to the second year and admit them 3 months before finals 1/2
Alpha5772
They also add another 5 from prior years again months before finals. So they fail 15 first year students to make room.
Tminus1622d
I did once get my points reduced by a teacher that didnt like me. I had 20/20 on that writing assignment, but she didnt like me and was
Tminus1622d
convinced I stole it from somewhere. Mostly because in my previous writing assignment (horror short story) I had an open ending, you know,
Tminus1622d
as one does in horror, the monster is revealed to be still alive and whatnot. Another had an attempt at comedy that went over her head.
Tminus1622d
The third writing assignment she couldnt find any faults so she swore in class that she'd find the source and that to reduce my unfair
Tminus1622d
advantage, that writing assignment now counted for 10 instead of 20 for the whole class. I did kinda steal the name of the castle. I named
airen
In a tech ed class that I was in I tried my best n the teacher said he couldnt give everyone an A and that we had to battle for a high grade
airen
Another group won the A not bc they knew the course content but bc they built a bigger Lego truck. Not kidding
Grandolddrummer
Me neither. I'm in my mid 30s and was a math teacher.
MichaelAndersen88
This is more common in college, but could have happened in a middle school. It's sometimes used to combat grade inflation.
UlphSvenson
Sweden actually had a bell curve grade system way back, where teachers should give grades according to a system just like that. Gone now.
GrimdogX
Apparently it is a thing, but not a normal thing apparently certain schools used to refuse to give A's unless you were at the top of the 1/2
GrimdogX
Class in order to "Encourage" self improvement Princeton apparently used to do something like this 2/2
DangerTrain
There's no such thing. It's some bullshit so they can be a "hero" fighting corruption, etc etc.
KillerTofu69
My 11th grade civics teacher did everything he could not to let me fail. He wasnt nice or anything. Just threw a quiz before final grades1/2
KillerTofu69
2/2 were submitted. He told me that NOBODY was failing his first year at my highschool. So I got a bailout. It was OK. I was a bad student.
dogpuncher1000
It's definitely a thing in college. I had a lot of econ classes that graded on a curve
ActuallyMyNamesMarina
It's not super common, but some places do have quotas to ensure teachers dont freely give unearned high grades
10001110101periodictablewithasantapieceofmind
Yeah if anything teachers are raising grades.
voidyman
Many teachers do try to force bell curve grading . It’s the same with organizations . It’s the curse of the bell curve being misused
mike13815
ITT tech literally had a quota for every teacher. If a student failed (lack of effort, death, dropped out entirely) it was counted against
mike13815
you. Too many failures and you aren't allowed to teach that class anymore. Doesn't matter the reason. They only cared about keeping that
mike13815
financial aid money flowing in, and nothing else.
dustinteractive
I haven't posted this comic to IMGUR yet but I was attacked pretty ferociously on IG (people insisting I was lying).
Deadmanwalkn
Well that's because we know better, though most of us are from a US perspective. You could've had the same message without the BS
talel81
I haven't heard of a grade quota but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In today's numbers and quota-ruled world I don't discount the idea.
dustinteractive
Hey no problem :) I actually uploaded this comic for a friend and didn’t even realize I made it public.
thefatlonelyjew
Mhm
talel81
I also wanted to say thank you for the comic. I needed it today.
thevortexmaster
My wife's a teacher and this comic is bull
dustinteractive
If she thinks it’s bull that means she doesn’t use it and hasn’t heard of it. So that makes me happy. That’s all I care about.
thevortexmaster
I'm glad that makes you happy
bawtzki
We had bell curve grading in some classes at university. It was up to each individual professor how they wanted to grade.
Wolvenlight
Thankfully rare in K-12, though pre No Child Left Behind (or any "funding based on student performance" models) I can see it being common.
Snajvid
Sweden had it up until like the sixties.
AvielMenter
Some classes have curves, although I've only ever heard of them being mandatory in law school.
LifeTrek
Some post secondary institutions have something similar as it encourages reapplication. I wish I made this up. :(
manystripes
Not quite the same, but I had a teacher insist on grading on a curve even though there were only 6 students and we all had As. I was pissed
MrChurch
It's not a quota who much as an expectation. If you fall outside of expectations, there's a lot of extra work to correct/explain.
Nuclearun
Law school I went to was like that. Guaranteed to fail half the class, no matter the spread on the grades.
rcderp
Had that in engineering classes in college too. Had to be a certain percentage of each grade. Could get a B on test and it’ll be curved to D
therustydropbox
It's not every school but some accreditations require a certain level of "difficulty" (failure) to prove that it was challenging enough.
gamblingpoet
Never heard of it. Never seen it. I felt like I was doing something wrong when I was giving out a lot of As/Bs, but the class was just smart
gamblingpoet
and the work showed off A/B work. That's why HS teachers use rubrics to grade, you can easily show how well/bad the student did.
IAimtoMisbehaveNotLikeThatOtherSpacePirate
In high school, math teacher promised an extra two points on the final test for each example of a 3D shape we made. I had an 89 overall+
IAimtoMisbehaveNotLikeThatOtherSpacePirate
So I went home and asked my dad to teach me how to use his saw. Made a solid wood cube, sphere, cone, etc. Six in total+
IAimtoMisbehaveNotLikeThatOtherSpacePirate
Because with a 100+ on the final, I could raise my grade to an a. Got an 89 on the final exam, and pointed out she hadn't added +
IAimtoMisbehaveNotLikeThatOtherSpacePirate
The extra points. She added one each, saying it was "unrealistic" to expect two each. When two other students confirmed that was the amount+
IAimtoMisbehaveNotLikeThatOtherSpacePirate
She promised, she turned to me with such a look of disdain and said, "well you tried too hard anyway. I don't Reward suck ups." +
irrelevant18
As other teachers have said, this doesn't exist and is literally the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
boatymcboatfaceplant
You get this in large corporations actually, with performance ratings.
Zerberus
We literally had/have a grade quota in university why shouldnt a grade quote in school be something unusual?
Rulweylan
Happens at universities. We were told that each group (of 12 students) should average 65%.
IronChefBoyardee
Was teacher, never heard of this or seen it, sounds like utter bullshit. In fact, grade inflation is far more real.
irrelevant18
Inflation, absolutely. I stand my ground when it comes to that (50 no 0 rule, for example). This dumb shit's why there's a teacher shortage.
MightestGlowCloud
Have you read Freakonomics? Teachers used to alter students tests to get higher grades
probablyinclassrightnow
Uhhhh "used to?" They still do!
CarlottaVonSprockett
Yeah my school wanted a certain pass rate so teachers sometimes dropped bad grades to get kids thru, but never deliberately failed them.
Visser5
So true. Lowest grade I can give a student for the quarter is a a 50% so even if they did nothing all quarter they still get a 50
gingerbreedman
Nope not bullshit! Sweden had the system. It ended sometime in the 50-70's
TheTechDweller
our entire class got marked down a grade because the 5 that was sent off to an official board was much lower than what our teacher graded us
VodkaReindeer
They're actually fighting grade inflation? Great news.
TheTechDweller
Yeah, still difficult though I was supposed to get an A but because of the 5 sent off for additional grading everyone was marked down...
TheTechDweller
Should just send all the papers off if they're going to check anyway, even if they graded you 100% you still were marked down a grade
CommentBot2000
I've seen lazy grading. Had an English teacher give me a C on the 1st assignment and that was my average the rest of the year regardless.1/
CommentBot2000
/2 of effort. It was High School, turned in my Cousins College paper, C. Showed my parents (English major mom, we worked on a paper 3/
CommentBot2000
3/ got a B. Probably because of length. Turned in garbage the rest of the year, took the C.
BadenBadenLillies
1)To everyone saying this isn't a thing, both college lecturers and secondary school teachers have both stated and even showed me that
dragonfliet
A curve is absolutely different from a quota, and would have nothing to do with extra credit (which could be added before or after curving)
BadenBadenLillies
Grading on a curve is going to force some students into higher or lower grades based on not on the quality of their work but a curve.
BadenBadenLillies
You will then have different %'s of the class being given grades not reflective of their work.
BadenBadenLillies
It's works out in effect as a % based distribution of grades. A grade of C may just be because your work was excellent, but unfortunately
dragonfliet
This has nothing to do with the comic's claim. EC would be factored into the curve.
BadenBadenLillies
I think the main thing the comic is driving at is that the grade given wasn't reflective of the quality of the work based on an unfair
Schnitzeloid
Here in Israel we do not have a grade quota but when we do our Bargut (matriculation) the grade is made from the teachet's grade and 1/?
Schnitzeloid
The grade we get on the exam of the MoE itself. If there is a significant difference between the two, the teacher's grade ("Magen" 2/3
Schnitzeloid
- shield) "falls" and the only grade considered is the MoE exam. So often it can really fuck up good students whose teacher want to upfuck
NyanDroid
May the power of schnitzel, Tivool and math be with you
TiroDvD
Fudge the numbers to meet whatever demands that would get more federal, state, city grants. Stupid schools fight over my newphew to meet /1
TiroDvD
"Special Needs". His need is a genetic condition (EDS) requiring an air conditioned bus. But they still put him in special needs classes /2
TiroDvD
to meet the quota and as a result he has learned retardation. (*&#$$ing bureaucrats. /n
ArandomDane
(1/2) It is not that simple, but yea. Grades in a fairly graded test approaches a bell curve. So to check for outliers this is tested.
ArandomDane
(2/?) Where this bell curve centers gives an indication of difficulty of the test. However both of this only works on large data sets.
ArandomDane
(3/?) However, this mean schools are putting pressure on teachers to fit the curve due to economic incentives.
ArandomDane
(4/4) Knowledge of the metric used, changes the data, making the metric useless, but it is stile used... Statistics is fun!
giordanom
It's absolutely a thing. It's huge in law school, and I had it in high-school as well.
pnersvfu
Bell curve is a thing at certain levels of education. For-profit institutions that receive funding on the amount of graduates. If spiked 1/2
pnersvfu
Can cause an investigation being started by a board of education. Taking shortcuts in this explanation. 2/2
MalcontentTroll
No, whole cartoon is utter nonsense.
chardlz
Some professors (in Universities) do it. It used to be more common long ago. It's called grading on a curve where you'd have a bell curve(1)
chardlz
To fit all of your students on, especially if your graded assignments were just two exams. Nowadays, the curves work in the students favor 2
chardlz
Because they'll push the highest grade up to 100 and adjust everyone else accordingly. Back in the day, only 10% of students might get an A
chardlz
(Or the highest marks, for reference if you don't live in the US or somewhere else that uses a letter grading scale)
waltjrimmer
When my father was a teacher, admin tried to get them to grade on a bell curve, meaning at least one F and one A and most got C's no matter>
waltjrimmer
>what the grades were. Most of the teachers said no. That kind of thing has been tried a few times and has mostly disappeared.
leahatard
Anybody who has spent time with students know bell curves don’t reflect reality - every class and cohort is unique! Sometimes you get 1/
leahatard
Lots of smarties and phenomenal parents support, other years you have to cancel field trips and make behaviour plans. Bell curves, pfffft 2/
waltjrimmer
That's how most of the teachers in my dad's school felt. And that was... Going on 40 years ago now.
waltjrimmer
Because it's bullshit that makes almost no sense.
mahanaha
In the UK, there are a certain percentage of people who need to get each grade and that's how they determine grade boundaries, ie. 10% 1/2
mahanaha
Must get an A* and 20%(ish) have to get an A etc etc idk if it's the same thing though.
DrSuvat
Wait what... is this the Cambridge system?
mahanaha
Potentially? That's just how my teachers have always told me it worked
DrSuvat
I did the Cambridge International Examinations (CIE) and you’re mostly correct in that a certain % of people are expected to get say, C 1/2
SidneyHarbor
The opposite is happening. Schools give higher and higher grades in order to make the schools look better. http://www.gradeinflation.com/
Wolvenlight
I question the legitimacy of some of the claims on this website. Mostly in their rebuttal to explanations for higher grades by professors.-
Wolvenlight
They say that better student quality can't explain rising grades, by saying SAT scores don't equate to GPA increases. Which is kinda true,-
Wolvenlight
but they still admit that both GPA and SAT scores have increased. They also say literacy rates are falling, which doesn't seem to be true,-
Wolvenlight
they've mostly just plateau'd in recent year, according to the WOI and the CIA Factbook. I'm not saying it's not true that grades are -
gamblingpoet
This was how "No Child Left Behind" was, states had to "race to the bottom" to show high grades and get more $. It was states competing
gamblingpoet
against each other to lower standards/give higher grades. Obama's admin changed it to Every Student Succeeds, which gave control back to
gamblingpoet
states instead of the federal government. Feds shouldn't be in full control of curriculum in states.
rache7
This is not a real thing especially in middle school where the grades do not impact the GPA.
LusciousLucius
It is a real thing, just typically not found outside of private schools and prestigious colleges.
Maanee
This isn't a real thing in public schools either.
fpsnoob
How do you have a GPA when grades don't affect it?
Fixer4038
I believe what they mean is you do have a GPA, but it doesn't follow you to high school, so it doesn't really affect you later down the road
DarkZalgo
Even high school GPA doesn't affect much either. I should know, I had a less than 2 GPA and all that matters to my university now is
sdfsfsfsgs
How do you graduate with less than a 2 GPA
DarkZalgo
My current GPA, which is high enough that I've gotten at least one grant for it every semester I've been at college.
sdfsfsfsgs
1 You must have either failed high school and got a GED or failed high school and scored high enough on an admittance test the school didn't
TrapsAreIllegal
No, it doesn't exist and never has. It's a fabrication. If everyone got an A, the course material may be investigated for appropriateness.
TrapsAreIllegal
This happened to my Maths and Physics class in Germany. We just had a great teacher. Our geography final was almost thrown out because of
TrapsAreIllegal
a very low average, but the test was found to be of a appropriate difficulty. A teacher may want to avoid this assessment, but they don't
TrapsAreIllegal
do anything. They just send a sample of the exam and that's that. It would be more effort to figure out the curve constantly...
LinkaAdoptsACouger
It was at my school. I was almost dropped from an honors math class because they needed to drop 10% of students by midterm. (1/2)
LinkaAdoptsACouger
(2/2) my mother threatened to sue the school and I got to stay in advanced math. I wasn’t even doing that poorly. I had B-.
ShutTheFrontDoors
Keeping averages at a certain amount is definitely a thing in university here. Sometimes it works for you favour, there’s a prof in my 1/
ShutTheFrontDoors
Department that’s tests and assignments are so hard (and marked hard) that most of the class fails. Come the end of term though, averages 2/
ShutTheFrontDoors
Are so low he has to pull everyone up 20-30% and everyone passes. I should have got like a 60ish in my last class with him. Got a 89. 3/3
Maanee
That sounds like a grading curve, not exactly the same thing since it is still dependant on how the best student ends up.
IndianaJonesWasATerribleArchaeologist
Grading on a bell curve does not mean there's a grade quota. It ensures everyone doesn't fail.
TheHengeProphet
Though it means that those who should have passed might fail because they were on the low end of the curve, or those who shouldn't pass 1/2
TheHengeProphet
might pass because the entire class did poorly (in this case it hides failings of the teachers). 2/2
MichaelAndersen88
Most people confuse grading on a curve with grade normalization. You're describing normalization. Bell curve = grade quota.
ShutTheFrontDoors
I didn’t say it was, I said that keeping the average a certain amount was a thing here. Similar, not identical. Also, this wasn’t a 1/
ShutTheFrontDoors
Bell curve. This is straight up bumping people’s grades. 2/2
dragonfliet
Bell curves do that. One could also just bump them, but they probably did it using a curve
Deadmanwalkn
You're thinking of the normal use of a curve which is to bump everyone's grade UP by x points, right? No one's score should be going down
Tsurrani
As a teacher I've never heard of a grade quota. I do know teachers that pride themselves on failing as many students as they can. Sad.
JayEnfield
At the universities I've attended, grading curves were very much a thing, and we gamed that shit all the time.
jasondl100101
Why is this a thing?! Like if you have a ton of students failing I'm assuming you're a shitty teacher who should be fired..
BernieO
In our school teachers had to keep withing the normal Gaussian or Gauss distribution. If it varied they didn't do the test right.
yourbassist
My advisor taught econ (100 level and up) and taught the 100 level course to weed out econ majors. Drove me nuts.
whitter86
Yes and the opposite is true, admin will look closely at a teacher who gives out all As all the time.
MrTerror
I had a college professor who was proud of his 70% attrition rate.
Zyrixion
Reminds me of a history teacher I had in high school. Guy's classes had an F average across 2 years that I looked at the grades.
SFMGifs
Oh you’ve heard of collages too?
alphaninn
I had a professor like that. I have never before or since been so proud of avoiding an F by about 2 points. Hurt my GPA, but it was passing.
GoddamndSexualTyranosaur
My college professor prided herself no one ever made an "A" in her class. Last semester three did and she "retired" because it crushed her
shinagami091
I had a teacher like that. It was for Speech class. Went after all the introverts and failed them
noneweregiven
"I'll show my boss just how bad I am at teaching things to students! Surely they will respect and value me then!"
Decayous
Here it’s the opposite, never fail kids or the parents will make your life/job hell. Everyone’s precious snowflake is a special genius.
dchek89
That's not a teacher then, that's an asshat who doesnt belong anywhere near a classroom
mirrelle
Yeat as a teacher if a certain % fails we re evaluate our teaching or the content.
Caesar56
Stop lying.
thevortexmaster
My wife's also a teacher and I just asked her. She says bullshit
Tsurrani
About the quota? I'm not.
Medic36
When the common denominator of struggling students is the piss poor teacher...
Textuality
I had a prof in college who would grade really harshly. But if you did everything right, he'd shower you with praise. Motivated a lot of us.
RoodKontjeAapje
Weird thought to take pride in being bad at your job.
mysticarchives
Efforts of two Engllish masters, a medical PHD, and their child for 1 paper and got a B. The professor never gave an A his entire career.
AngelfromLA
If the student hasn’t learned, the teacher hasn’t taught. A teacher who doesn’t teach isn’t a teacher. Shame.
robsquared
That's mostly true, but some kids are just useless shits
Denvercoder09
"It's nearly impossible to get an A in my class" is a funny way of saying "I'm a horrible teacher"
moadofficialband2
Spoken with more truth than can be spoken any other way
ThelmaTidwell
I can teach until I’m blue in the face. I cannot make a student learn something. People who make comments like yours have never taught.
spicychedderjack
That’s why they are not teachers but rather professors, they profess once and their title is earned
ElbowdeepinElmo
If a whole class is doing badly, it's probably the teacher. If a few students aren't doing well, that's usually not on the teacher.
Tsurrani
I disagree a little. Some students just don't want to be at school. However I do agree that a teacher has the responsibility to teach every
Tsurrani
Student no matter the circumstances
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
The grades for my Basic Electronics course always look like a bathtub. You either learn and get an A, or you don't and fail it.
DonnaNobleInTheLibrary
The prof does all he can, but you have to learn to apply the formulas taught.
ExplainingTheJokeIsFunnierThanThePunchline
And a teacher who can’t teach, teaches gym.
Muttons1337
Cello! You got yourself a bass.
DiejenEne
And those who can, do, and these who can't teach.
MrAnxiety
They exist in college. I've heard of at least one professor who only gave out a set amount of A's
LusciousLucius
Yeah, you typically only find this in prestigious colleges and private schools, and even then it's rare.
YoloSwagginsAndTheKnightsOfTheRoundTable
I have a friend who teaches at a private school. He rarely gives bad grades because it's an expensive private school
LusciousLucius
"And even then, it's rare". Depends on the school. If it's pay-to-win, they wouldn't do that. If they're trying to be seen as rigorous 1/2
LusciousLucius
Without actually putting work into their curriculum/teachers, they'll sometimes pull that grade quota crap. 2/2
AmateurCaulkRingEnthusiast
We like to call those people, cocksucking shitheads. I had a Prof like that. Said nobody ever gets As in my class. I stood up and walked.
shogun111
Had a public speaking teacher for level one like that. It was a level one course, you should be able to get full credit based on lvl 1 reqs
critausy
These professors do exist, I had a physics professor who said nearly the exact same thing.
CrankFurry
You showed them.
Atomic2
In my school, we could change classes as late as two weeks into the semester. I've switched courses when I found out the prof sucked.
Mechwarrior719
If you drop a class early enough then the college doesn’t get paid for that class. They don’t like losing money.
BrokeMyFunnyBone
If you're paying tuition per semester, as most people do, then they still get the money.
AmateurCaulkRingEnthusiast
If youre cool with sitting idly like a bitch, thats on you.
CrankFurry
*You’re. I got good grades in college.
LodeRunner92
Its super common in college. The logic is, if everyone makes an A, then obviously the material wasn't rigorous enough.
airen
My college has a course designed super hard to fail more people so they have to retake the class n spend another 6k
CthulhuPanda
Yup, I never had this, but some of my friends did. The professor would give the top 10% A's, next 10% B's and so on. After the first (1/2)
CthulhuPanda
test the class got together and decided that for every test that semester, no one would write a single answer, just stare at the teacher 2/2
InvalidCrocodile
Wait so if they did better than 90% of the class they got an A? What?!
CthulhuPanda
Yes. Say there were 20 students in the class. The highest 2 scores would receive an A, the next 2 a B, and so on. Bottom 50% guaranteed an F
ZomBee627
So long as he's in the USA Public School, I can guarantee 100% he's misinformed. Only private schools (generally colleges, not MS) do this.
Wolvenlight
Set amount bell curving is a thing, it's just rare now: https://www.k12academics.com/education-assessment-evaluation/bell-curve-grading
Wolvenlight
I can't say this is what OP meant though. Grade quotas is likely the wrong term to use, but "set amount of A/Bs to give" sounds very close.
ZomBee627
Bell curving and quotas are different. Usually bell curving is used to provide fair grades with overly challenging material too.
Wolvenlight
They are different, but bell curving models that have set amounts of A/Bs given are similar in results if not function to flat grade quotas.
Wolvenlight
(I view curving in general as kind of silly, but I get using them for the reason you stated, if course material will later be corrected).
dustinteractive
But back then it was used to show that course criteria was well balanced. Not too easy, not too hard.
gamblingpoet
That's not how you balance things. If curriculum was too easy/too hard, you make new curriculum over the summer to fix the issues.
ZombieZooZombieZoo
Yeah, I'm gonna need a source that this system was used
Wolvenlight
https://www.newsweek.com/princeton-looks-scrap-grade-quotas-263363
Ryann85
All it proves is that teachers who endorse that system are idiots. Effectively they are saying that can’t teach everyone in the class well.
PotatOSLament
I think, if it was real, the idea is that “if too many get A’s, then the material is too easy” and then more work is levied on the teachers.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
I really doubt this was something endorsed by teachers
zFUBARz
You think teachers don't have pressure from administration/parents/bratty kids/etc to conform to expected norms?
dingofdong
Yeah, that's some primo quality grade A (heh) bullshit. I mean, the whole concept of a teacher having unilateral power to alter grades +
dingofdong
+based more or less on a whim (rather than say, evidence based assessment, which is how we do it in the civilised world) seems bananas to me
Wolvenlight
Also bananas: "Set amount" bell curving: https://www.k12academics.com/education-assessment-evaluation/bell-curve-grading
Wolvenlight
It is bananas. But it is a thing. I can't speak to it's commonality tho: https://www.newsweek.com/princeton-looks-scrap-grade-quotas-263363
byronwashington
Most schools got more funding if their overall GPA was higher. Never heard of a quota because it would be counter to that.
Wolvenlight
Could be a way to counter inflation assertions. More a college thing tho: https://www.newsweek.com/princeton-looks-scrap-grade-quotas-263363
Wolvenlight
Though set amount bell curving might be what OP meant: https://www.k12academics.com/education-assessment-evaluation/bell-curve-grading
Wolvenlight
(Pre No Child Left Behind, I could see this being a a much more common practice. Thankfully it's now rare).
Deadmanwalkn
You might....MIGHT find that in college but I think your memory of grade school is simple warped. Maybe she just didnt like you, that's 1/
Deadmanwalkn
possible, but I've NEVER heard of a curve negatively impacting anyone's grades pre-college 2/2
Wolvenlight
Well, it depends on the school, quality (or lack thereof) of students, but "set amount" bell curve models are a (thankfully now rare) thing:
Wolvenlight
https://www.k12academics.com/education-assessment-evaluation/bell-curve-grading
kmikl
I was a student "back then" (81-94), this was categorically NEVER used, and teacher's unions would have had a FIELD DAY with any school /1
kmikl
/2 that didn't recognise merited scores, not to mention PTA groups. They've gone the other way (passing students that didn't merit it),
kmikl
/3 but lowering scores? I can think of nothing more dishonest in academics.
Wolvenlight
"Set amount" bell curving is probably what OP means: https://www.k12academics.com/education-assessment-evaluation/bell-curve-grading
jcole01
Sure, where you were a student. This was quite common in a lot of places in the United States. Education was especially fucked up back then.
LusciousLucius
It's colleges and private schools that typically do this.
dustinteractive
For the record I was in 8th grade in the year 2000. Grading curves might not be as common now.
FyreFaux
Curves still happen, ive never heard of curving down
zFUBARz
If they whole class does relatively well what do you think happens with a curve? the lower end gets lower to fit the curve.
FarkasMacTavish
Grading curves bring UP the class's grades. There is literally no reason to bring anybody's down.
zFUBARz
Pressure from administration/shitty students/parents. If everybody does too well Teachers/prof's will be questioned and possibly punished.
Axianamos
I would have been in 5th. I dont think it ever happened to me. I was graded pretty fairly.
Axianamos
Aside from failing algebra 2 because I couldnt handle a notebook check.
thevortexmaster
I graduated by then and there was no grading curves when i went to school
airen
At the school you went to* I gradiated high school 2010 n a teacher outright told me he had a quota
thevortexmaster
they were lying to keep you in line. My wife is a teacher and says this is bull and has never heard of this.
thevortexmaster
Maybe it depends on country?
airen
Thats great for your wife, but her anecdotal evidence of she doesn’t know trumps it actually happening
airen
No they were not. He specifically held a tournament for the grades so not everyone would get an A in the class.
airen
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2015/08/09/teachers-say-they-feel-pressure-to-meet-citys-pass-quota/amp/
IndianaJonesWasATerribleArchaeologist
Grading Curve does not equal Grade Quota. Schools in America don't have grade quotas.
LinkaAdoptsACouger
They did at my school.
Wolvenlight
Depends on the school. Grade schools? I'd hope not. But High Ed.?: https://www.newsweek.com/princeton-looks-scrap-grade-quotas-263363
airen
Lmao In new england schools some do. My highschool did ‘schools in america’ you been to everyschool pal?
VodkaReindeer
What's the difference?
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Grading curves are pretty messed up too, though. Especially if some schools do them and others don't. I remember finding out about them /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
when I was applying to universities, and I was like, what the hell? So my grades that I earned are up against other peoples' artificially /2
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
inflated grades? And then same thing again when I graduated and applied for jobs. It's not right. /3
jabryan310
A grading curve, assuming the kids in the class have a normal bellshaped curve of ability, absolutely is a quota.
bdesign7
Do you know what a quota is?
Imnotalwayscleverbutwheniamipreferbudlite
I disagree, grading on a curve just scores work based off the highest scoring student in the class, so I'm not sure how that could be quota
MichaelAndersen88
What you described is grade normalization. Curving means assigning grades like a bell curve, it is a quota.
yevsky
if you force the grades to fit a bell curve, it becomes one (like "5% get top grade"). the national matriculation exams in Finland do this.
ericus220
You obviously do not understand what a bell curve is then. It doesnt have a "quota", it is simply derived from the grades...
BrokeMyFunnyBone
It Becomes the quota. If you raise grades based on relative position, you're assigning letter grades based on a quota (the curve).
Deadmanwalkn
The ONLY time I've ever even heard of the bell curve being used in that way is a single particularly assholeish college professor. 1/
zFUBARz
That is the least common way I've seen it used, and I was a TA at Uni.
MichaelAndersen88
Normalization is setting the highest score as 100%, curving is matching the average grade to a C and making a bell curve.