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A nice ode to Samwise The Brave
Oct 14, 2017 2:58 PM
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A nice ode to Samwise The Brave
AsksTooManyQuestions
Hawkeyebowhunter
Loved the books. Home sick this weekend when supposed to be visiting KC, may just start em up again
FitzChevalric
ifthatsaveiledcriticismaboutmeiwonthearitandiwontrespondtoit
Never forget: "Simple" does not mean "stupid".
OSCgal
I like how Tolkien described him as "slow but shrewd": takes him awhile, but his insights are spot-on.
LoneDirewolf
He's in the new season of Stranger Things. If they don't throw in several LOTR references, I will consider the season a failure
Hubb
They play DnD its a possible if cleverly done I guess
PleaseRespectMyAsshole
I hate how they portrayed Sam and Frodo as nothing but little bitches in the movies and how they treated Merry and Pippin as comic relief.
Primotimewaster
I agree. They all went with Frodo knowing exactly what they were sacrificing. Eyes were wide open
ImpsCorner
Dammit Sam
RantMannequin
Sam cut his foot badly in this scene on glass
Deadpoolio7
Cutting onions too
DiuhBEETuss
I'm a grown ass man and bawled like a baby during this scene.
Joletti
Oh geez, me too!
LoTRFanatic42
Frodo and Sam are both heros and neither would've made it far without the other. If you want to see what Frodo's really like, read the books
yummypasta
To put it short: Everyone in the books is at least 10 times more badass than in the movie.
TheTMThatDecidesTheLanguageOfLanguagesThatAreDecidable
Tolkien didn't call Sam the "true" hero but rather the "chief" hero and he did't say Sam was the only such hero/ "chief" hero. Nuance y'all.
IAmUlysses31
#2 *than
JustTheMostLiberal
13 kids? Apparently he was the mayor of Hobbit Poundtown as well.
turkletoon
Po-tay-toes!
SexySapp
wagnus
Boil 'em. Mash 'em. Stick 'em in a stew
HighLordInquisitor
What's Taters Precious? What's taters eh?
Visiblur
Lotr is so amazing and Sam is such a wonderful character
Lurch1911
I see you there.... fuckin 9gag watermark.
TheSplitterGuy
I hate those guys!
ItsSammwise
Username relevant :D
EdyPaz
Hooray!
SamwiseTheBrave1
Yee
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
Can also be relevant when talking about sam weiss
ReallyGoodBee
The true power of the One Ring is that it enhances the inherent attributes of the wearer. So a skilled warrior becomes unbeatable,
ReallyGoodBee
and a sneaky thief becomes invisible. Sam was able to rescue Frodo because the ring made him utterly fearless.
ReallyGoodBee
Sauron empties out Mordor for the final battle because if Aragon or Gandolf had the ring, it would have taken that whole army to stop them.
ZenZoldyck
Gandolf +1
Ifavepicsofnakedwomen
To the Sams of the world , the humble, hard working, never surrendering, one step at a time accomplishing little battles I salute you.
SmolTenk
Just to point it out: In the books he is willing to surrender many times as he doesnt care for the ring or the world.
GandalftheWhiteLantern
The greatest story ever told. Tolkien is King.
7thlevelLazerLotus
Tolkien? DC comics? Did we just become best friends??
GandalftheWhiteLantern
Do you want to go read comics in the garage?
7thlevelLazerLotus
I'll bring the pop. Race you there!
TheHawkRules
lokazaki14
Goonies never die
Hubb
blows my mind he is somehow in both movies so far apart
BreadyStinellis
The goonies and fellowship are only 16 years apart.
BreadyStinellis
"Up there it's their time. It's their time up there. But down here it's our time! It's our time down here!" Best scene of the movie. Mouth
BreadyStinellis
Taking his wishes back. So good.
Pegussu
IIRC, he rejects the ring because he realizes that turning the whole world into a garden is dumb as hell.
BluePaladin42
Basically. His common sense is able to counter the ring. All the more impressive as the ring was growing ever stronger the closer it got.
BluePaladin42
Sam, fortunately, had not possessed the ring long, so he hadn't been worn down. Frodo had just been getting beaten down by the ring.
karlbadmanners
Smeagol had it for like 5mins b4 he went all OJ on his bro
BluePaladin42
Smeagol also was probably a bit of a sneak before getting it. The ring had less work to do. Frodo and Sam were also already aware the ring-
BluePaladin42
-was evil and corrupting, that might have helped. Smeagol wasn't trying to resist. Frodo was.
crudburger
Sam... Nevile Longbottom not the chosens ones rather the one who chose to be heroes
SaltyDitchDr
Glad you said this. Neville's moment facing voldamort after they thought Harry died is the most epic moment of the books for me.
crudburger
That and his leadership of Dumbledores Army.
hydrochlorothiazide
I wouldn't say Frodo or Harry "chose" to be heroes
HighLordInquisitor
Well... Frodo DID decide to carry the Ring from Rivendell. Although that was mostly because of the ring making the other races argue.
crudburger
Exactly... Frodo and Harry were the chosen ones. Sam and Nevile chose
tantallous
right. sam and neville, however, did not have any particular obligation other than their own honor, which is the point here i think.
crudburger
Exactly.... they had the choice. They were the common individual who had to chose... which is what made their story so vital
kojenk
In the old wars you had a position of a Batman to the senior officer. Who was basically a very loyal (battle) butler of sorts.
kojenk
Goofle it. I am explaining it rather badly with 140 words.
KeatonJazz
Tolkien definitely patterned Sam as that position.
evmancoolguy
Everyone shitting on Frodo needs to realize that literally no one else could have done what he did. The ring slowly tore his soul apart.
TheGrinchStoleYourShit
In his deepest despair he still refused to give the ring to Sam because he saw what was happening to him, that says a lot
The701
You must Frodo, or Frodonot. There is no try. He understood this.
LoTRFanatic42
Frodo's words to Sam at the Grey Havens attest to that. "We set out to save the Shire, Sam. And it has been saved... but not for me." Frodo>
LoTRFanatic42
>gave up everything he had and went through unimaginable suffering so other people wouldn't have to.
theslybanananana
Yup, Gollum is what Frodo could have become
DukeDarkwood
That is the reason it was so important to Frodo to believe that Smeagol could be redeemed. He saw his own fate in Gollum.
doesnotexistanymoredeprecatedaccountthanksforthememories
It's kinda bizarre, we all could have (no doubt would have) turned into a Gollum.
ChuckWeiss
The movies did a terrible job of showing the amount of time elapsed. Frodo had the ring for months, but Smeagol killed his friend after 1/
doesnotexistanymoredeprecatedaccountthanksforthememories
I don't get how Bilbo and Frodo didn't turn into something like Gollum, eh.
ChuckWeiss
Just a few minutes with the ring. 2/2
Nuttsy
In the film version, Deagol is dead ~90 seconds after Smeagol first sees the ring. Pretty sure you'd have to be braindead not to pick up-
HappyAnarchist
I don't think they actually did. People just did a terrible job of paying attention. It's all there.
sahdad
I always hated how they didnt end the movies like the books, it's such a victorious ending that seals the character arcs.
CarInAVet
The Scouring of the Shire isn't really feasible in movie form. By then everyone watching is tired and really needs to pee.
citaria
It could have been brilliant! "Not possible", when they did the Battle of the Pellenor Fields?! Come on!
CarInAVet
If it were, like, done as a TV series rather than a movie, maybe, but just as far as pacing within a film goes, it just doesn't fit.
Hubb
I read LOTR when I was about 9, I fell asleep before I got to the end book. How does it end
HighSlayerRalton
What made you all asleep? Tom Bombadil?
EnderMoth
nah, the Willow
citaria
alttt
Wat
Hubb
This is now both my most downvoted comment and most replied to, awesome ? apologies to all I upset by not finishing the book
SmolTenk
Saruman takes over the shire, Hobbitts come home start revolution.
Hubb
Whoah thats big
SmolTenk
It is a shame it was cut, because it emphazises how the hobbits changed during their journey. It beautifully ties up those character arcs.
citaria
I loved the death of Saruman -at the hands of WT who he'd been a dick to for years, plus he gets the finger when his spirit goes West.
sahdad
Ya Saruman doesnt die at his tower, they meet him but then leave him after Gandalf breaks his staff. Then he goes to the shire with his
sahdad
Urukai and takes over (remember the vision of the shire burning Gladariel gives them). When they come home after everything they are so much
BluePaladin42
It ends about the same, however the Shire was taken over by a group of hired thugs controlled by Saruman. Merry and Pippin lead a quick-
karlbadmanners
It's a poignant representative of how the horrors of war come home with you
BluePaladin42
It is, but I can understand why it wasn't viable for the film, which was already incredibly long. They did take the time to demonstrate-
BluePaladin42
-that Frodo was clearly dealing with PTSD over the affair, however.
BluePaladin42
-Resistance (They are technically representatives of Rohan and Gondor, as they are knights) which kicks the thugs out, Saruman is killed-
BluePaladin42
And the four hobbits set about restoring the Shire. After that the rest is the same as what you see in the movie, more or less.
Skuldi
Do people die in the undying lands? Silly question.
RoutemasterFlash
Not really, it's a bit like Dignitas only magical.
dovebair
I know there is actual lore, but I always took it to mean actually dying but never being forgotten, thus "undying"
KramervsKramervsPredator
What he meant was, Monster Island is actually a peninsula
Ngugi
Classic ^^
Skuldi
And the galaxy is a fidget spinner
theheatman
Blubbll
from what i know is that the entities who spend their time there live way longer, but not eternal. i read that in the ardapedia somewhere.
Blubbll
well, http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Aman
Ngugi
Yes; the land did not make inhabitants immortal, it was named so because immortals lived there. But it provided a blissful end for Frodo etc
thatswildman
why do they go there?
Ngugi
It's a reward to ease the physical and mental pains coming from the Ring and quest. JRR called the visit "healing and redress of suffering"
Skuldi
Thanks.
andthedicestoppedrolling
That misinterpretation actually has a role in the lore of LOTR. Sauron convinced the lords of men that if they invaded the undying lands,
andthedicestoppedrolling
they would live forever. So they left their kingdom and got wrecked. Only Isildur's family/followers survived because they refused to invade
ArdentSlacker
... so... he could cross the sea on a one-way journey and find out his old buddy had drowned in the tub. And a bunch of old-ass elves w/ 1+
ArdentSlacker
2/2 back pain who really didn't figure out that "starting the fuck over on a new continent" was always harder than "live with humans".
Paulysium
elves don't age past their prime. They are bound to the world until it's end, unless they are killed somehow.
IAlwaysUpvoteSunsets
Sure! All the name means is they can't change their hair color while there.
NegimaSensei
Are you sure? I thought the land just had a huge Undertale fanbase.
kilmore
https://media.tenor.com/images/0edbac5a5ff6d7484468d09af91a57f0/tenor.gif
Skuldi
I knew it had to be that.
AmyBernadettePenny
GeneralBullshit
I read all the comments, scrolled to 5 others posts, THEN I FUCKING UNDERSTOOD YOUR PUN. It's not easy being a dumb fuck sometimes
floriandg
So euhm my hair Color is white like pure white,does that mean I'm not allowed to enter? Cause that shit took me 5 bleaches to get
RelentlessDevastation
Sure you're allowed, because you bleached not dyed.
floriandg
Oh thank god
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
Pheeeew!
Talmorean
Yes, because death is the Gift of Illuvatar (God) to the mortal races. And even the Valar cannot take that from them.
newsguycraigevans
One of the tricks of Morgoth was to make men fear this gift. The Gift of Men became the Doom of Men.
Talmorean
Morgoth's Ring is a fantastic read for the die hard Tolkien fan. His darkest deeds cannot be destroyed.
newsguycraigevans
True, and they did horrible things to the people of ME, but they also brought about some great heroes and sorrowful beauty.
Ozarck
It is said that even the Valar will grow to envy humanity for that gift.
BritishBatman
Still separated by race though. No elves and humans in the same afterlife. Fuck Aragorn right?
Talmorean
Arwen chose to be human. Only the Half-Elven, aka the children of Earendil were given that choice. Arwen and Aragorn were reunited.
gravyboatcaptain
Just to humans actually. Elves can never pass beyond the world, if they are slain their spirits go to the undying lands as well.
IronGravyBoat
Nice username sir
newsguycraigevans
Elves cannot die from old age or disease. They can die from injury or even a broken heart. If slain they go to the Halls of Námo (Mandos).
Talmorean
They aren't mortal. Dwarves go to a separate place as well. But Halflings are considered "human"
HandsomeSwede
Where do dwarves go?
ArdentSlacker
Drinking, mostly.
blueblueglassmoon
Nobody knows. They weren't made by Iluvatar, but he gave them life. JRRT didn't tell us where they go, but dwarves have their own beliefs.
Talmorean
Dwarves were created by the Valar Aule, even though it was forbidden by Illuvatar. They go to his halls in Valinor after death.
PffftNext
Wherever whores go
PrincessLeliana
Ofc sam is the fucking hero, he did basically everything.
valarjk
he even Boiedl 'em, mashed 'em, stuck 'em in a stew.
Takethepoints
How else would Gollum know anything about taters?
NotTheMamaNotTheMama
RoscoMalone
I completely agree. I just started the books and Sam is pretty brave and kind of a badass compared to his movie representation.
SmolTenk
Except all the times he tries to turn around in the books. Fuckin annoying they left that out.
MikeG1218
He is the R2D2 of the LOTR saga.
LoTRFanatic42
Frodo was carrying one of the most powerful and corrupted artifacs ever created around his neck as they marched in Mordor. Not his fault.
gmdave
I'll trust you on that one, LoTRFanatic42.
LoTRFanatic42
Not to mention the movies really ruined his character.
shhep
Films did literally 0 character development of hobbits. In books Frodo is a hero for the world, Sam for the Shire, Merry and Pippin for
kambojah
middle-earthian network of weed smugglers and Aragorn used to be the top bouncer in town.
shhep
Gondor and Rohan. It all makes a huge fucking sense, while in the movies it's just a shitfest.
Duggernauts
A huge fucking sense! +1 good sir and/or madam.
medfi
I actually hated frodo by the end. What an asssshole.
TweakerTheBarbarian
Frodo tried to dump the damn ring on almost everyone he met.
Herecomesjohnny
not because he was cowardly but because he genuinely thought he would fail
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Of the movies? Or the books? Because the characters are pretty different.
Willybum84
lordofhouselurker
Frodo spilt half the bottle of water when he was in mordor. What a prick
lethaldoobie
he really wasnt though. the actor/director made him look pathetic instead of suffering.
socratesboytoy
Its not like that in the books though.
Sacurason
You'd be an asshole too if you were carrying around an item that literally makes you evil the longer you hold it.
medfi
I'm an asshole with out doing any of that. Precisely why I wouldn't volunteer for it.
rugbyflyer
I encourage everyone bashing Frodo to read the books, if they haven't already. Frodo is much less of a twat than is portrayed in the movies
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Alozar
I think the movies just did a bad job of showing the struggle that Frodo had to endure. Still love them though.
aka184mommie
I read those books in 1974
Cheomesh
Yeah in retrospect the writing was generally weak in this movie. Props and sets were amazing though...
kaihp
Same goes for the change of Aragorn's character. And Elrond. And, and and...
vely
i think frodos suffering was touched on in the movies, but they portrayed it like they did because people who havent handled the ring...
vely
wont understand how it changes a person entirely until they showed gollums backstory and you see frodo is starting the same path
HamSlamwich
That was the only real problem i had with the movies. They kind of made seem like a bit of a pussy. And not the Arrested Development kind.
manslut
He's the freaking Lord of the Rings.
manslut
He commands Smeagol to jump into Mount Doom and then he DOES it, the crazy little bastard.
whatspaulplayingtoday
Honestly, I'd rather not. They're a slog for me. I tried when I was younger and got maybe 3/4ths of the way through Fellowship. Gave up.
The22ndDoctor
When i first read them in 7th grade, I didn't read all the appendices, so for about a year, I thought Sam had the most depressing ending.
Austinious
Peter Jackson was the twat....hate that man.
ohdeepthought
I think it was immensely difficult to put everything in the books in 3 theatrical length movies the extended edition improved it.
CommentsWithGandalf
Should have just made 9 movies
BreadyStinellis
At a time when even trilogies were pretty rare, I don't think they wanted to take that gamble.
OdiumsHonor
True but he still sucks, Sam is the true hero
translocated
And also goddamnit it's okay for the main character to be a twat, it makes them more human.
upvoteswhendrunkorboredorwaitinginlineoravoidingresposibilities
Hobbit-ish.
TheDogEnd
Frodo is actually incredibly wise in the books. Very elfish in his thought and action, and powerful to resist the ring and to "tame" Smeagol
manslut
He unconsciously used the power of the ring to subjugate Smeagol.
ArkoneAxon
Bear in mind that "elfish" isn't necessarily wise. Most of the problems of the Third Age are the result of elven foolishness from past ages.
TheDogEnd
Even the very powerful Aragon and the very wise Gandalf couldn't control Smeagol without force. Frodo used love and pity.
TheDogEnd
I actually believe that given enough time without the Ring and in Frodo's company that Smeagol might have been redeemed (same w/Wormtongue)
Sn4f
I think so too. When I read the books the first I expected him to become somewhat of a good guy.
Talann1
One of the greatest fantasy books ever written. I find it hard to find any other author who could portray so much in that little of a story.
BannedbyastupidMod
Gandalf : Leave the shire ASAP. Froday : ok I'll leave in 50 years. <-- That's a thing
jacksparrah
I thought Gandalf returned after a span of years and told him he had to GTFO ASAP? When Frodo first inherited the ring, Gandalf only had 1/2
jacksparrah
the BAREST of suspicions, and even then, he believed it was a lesser ring of power. As soon as he realized the truth he was on Frodo 2/3
jacksparrah
like shit on a pig that he had to run immediately. 3/3
PhotogenicHemorrhoid
When I first read fellowship, on reaching this point I thought, so not urgent then.
DukeDarkwood
Hey! It only took him seventeen!
Cheomesh
That is something that always got me about his books.Frodo is in the shire for years with the ring.It takes Gandalf decades to figure 1/
dnebdal
As I remember it, it was kind of dormant at the time, and both ring and master woke up somewhat during that time.
Cheomesh
that the Necromancer is Sauron. 2/2
alcaray
Yeah! So much Frodo bashing. Everywhere I look.
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kuemmel
There's probably a lot of different ways to do it. This was just one. And it was a big production with a lot of money. All the landscapes ->
kuemmel
, the comic relieves and rarely a song-it was meant to satisfy a lot of different audiences and not the adaption of the book Tolkien wrote.
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TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
I didn't like the movies. I grew up reading the books.
Cyanide555
Preferred the books but movies. 1 good. 2 ok. 3 atupid
BluePaladin42
I like the movies, I grew up reading the books. Your mileage may vary.
rainbowcoloredpoop
I grew up reading the books. I think they did about as well as could be expected making the movies. They had to make some tough decisions.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
I can agree with that, they did the best they could and they made good movies. Just doesn't compare to Books + Imagination.
micotyro
I never took him as a twat. Wearing the ring sucks. I didn't expect a cheery attitude
TanstaaflTovarisch
Yeah, in the books he suffered immensely, yet still persevered while Sam was unswervingly loyal and his strength saved them lots.
WelcomeToTheShatterdome
Sam and Frodo were awesome
misfit119
Wat? He was clearly suffering in the movies. It's like you're watching him slowly drain of all life as they go on.
TanstaaflTovarisch
Who said he didn't? The point is that the book does a better job of portraying it.
misfit119
The way you said it made it sound like Frodo was just walking it off. Meanwhile I felt bad watching him deteriorate. I was confuzzled.
LoTRFanatic42
"We set out to save the Shire, Sam. And it has been saved... but not for me." Frodo gave up everything he had & was nearly destroyed for it.
jacksparrah
This. Except he WAS destroyed by it in the end. Even leaving Middle Earth didn't 'cure' him. Frodo's journey always broke my heart, tbh.
tzxAzrael
nearly? nah, in a sense he truly was destroyed. at the end he lost to the ring, and how many times do you imagine he woke up from...
tzxAzrael
a nightmare where gollum wasn't right there to try and take the ring?
thestranger0099
I was going to ask about that. I figured he was going through more than it seemed on-screen.
DevonGronka
Basically they were starving, half dead, feet were torn up (remember hobbits don't wear shoes) wearing what they had scavenged from orcs,1/2
DevonGronka
poisoned, and badly in need of a shower by the time they got to mount doom. In addition to the struggle against/over the ring.
ZombieAstronaut
Yeah the books do the inner turmoil justice.
AbsolutelyDramaticNutjob
Of course, that sort of thing is almost impossible to portray on screen to everybody, especially with so much else that needed be addressed.
Ivain
yeah, that's the problem with turning books of more than 400-500 pages into movies. Too little time.
Ivain
It's also why GoT managed to pull it off so well, at least until they ran out of books. They had an episode per 100 pages or so
ThisFrickenGuy
I have to tell my friends this every time we watch the trilogy. They can't understand why Frodo is my favorite. Yes, Sam was a hero, but
ThisFrickenGuy
Frodo's character was so much internal that it was hard to translate to film. Plus the "Go home Sam" basically broke any hope movie-goers
ThisFrickenGuy
would like him from then on.
bitemark
This is the singlemost thing that bothered me from the movies, the almost complete removal of the 'levelling up' of the hobbits.
TheGhostofElizabethShue
It would have been really tricky to do all the size effects for foot-taller Merry and Pippin though.
shhep
"levelling up" AKA character development.
DrLeonardChurch
Haha, I kind of like that more than character development.
ArkoneAxon
LITERAL levelling up. They came home to a band of baddies terrorizing the Shire, and promptly gave said baddies new orifices.
Vatas
Said baddies were too scared to attack four strangers clad with chain mail, especially with two of them being exceptionally tall for hobbits
ArkoneAxon
Yes, four heroes who had beaten Mordor were NOT impressed by some common thugs. It's like going back to the starting area at level 20.
Crombs
Besides character development, Merry and Pippin were given ent-drought by Treebeard in his 'house'. Visibly changed their appearance.
OSCgal
IKR? The part where they laugh their heads off at the band of Shirriffs, and then start a whole revolution!
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
I think Jackson did a really shitty job of respecting the importance of the little people. Everybody short is also clumsy comic relief
theslybanananana
Exactly and the scouring of the shire demonstrated how much the journey had changed them
rebelhobo
In the director commentary they actually mention how they had to cut that part out of the last film due to the length. Still is a shame.
imotikhannnnnnn
They actually released the full version its long as he'll but has some really good details that got left out of the original movies.
AmiEvilYet
>due to the length. Just throw them in the Bluray extended edition, we weren't being productive this weekend anyways.
The22ndDoctor
Well, he had to make room for the 45 minute goodbye scene at the grey havens.
ThePickle
Jackson never filmed that part. He never liked that part of the book. He did 40 different endings instead. That douche.
TheJonatron
All those conclusions were neccesary. But god do I wish the scourging of the shire was in there.
hippy80
Best bit of the books imo, and I think I've read the full LOTR trilogy 25+ times by now.
OmNachoMama
I'm on my 14th reading. I feel like a slacker.
EnderMoth
and yet he could turn The Hobbit into 3 unnecessarily long movies. HMM
DevonGronka
It wasn't the same director though...
PiggyWobbles
extra movies bring in the $$$ extra scenes dont
RideTheStimutacs
Nowadays LOTR would've been 6 movies. Each of the 3 books contained 2 parts.
Mechwarrior719
You mean he turned the hobbit into 3 unnecessarily long cash grabs.
bringbakfirefly
Same with Boromir.
CarInAVet
Really? I thought Boromir was way more pompous in the books.
Ozarck
I thought they did fairly well with Boromir - showed his kindness to the hobbits, his fall, and his attempt to redeem himself.
Sacurason
I don't know. I empathized with him even in the movies, and understood that the Ring was just focusing on him. Not his fault.
karlbadmanners
FOR REAL
bigblindguy
I feel like the movies didn't really hammer in HOW he lives: in constant war against creatures that would kill his family and then eat them.
citaria
Yeah he only got a couple of throwaway lines about "we could use it". How he felt about the gradual loss of so much of Gondor was not shown
HandsomeSwede
Tell me about it. The extended version gives him a bit more depth, but the movie's portrayal of him really is unfair.
DukeDarkwood
Not as unfair as it was to his brother.
HandsomeSwede
Could you tell me more? I stopped reading the books after Boromir's death
DukeDarkwood
Faramir's portrayal in the movie made him seem tempted, to the point of putting one of his quotes from the book in a sinister light. (The
CarInAVet
The only real issues I have with the movies are bad characterizations: Frodo, Faramir, Beorn, and Thranduil all get messed up.
EnderMoth
yes! I was so upset about Faramir! Also the dwarves going to Beorn was such good comedy in the book, should've been kept.
bigwhitespats
Well The Hobbit movies are a different (shit) category and should not be lumped together with LOTR.
CarInAVet
The thing that makes it all the worse is that the things they did right were PERFECT, but then they screwed up so much so bad!
citaria
Urg they messed Beorn up so badly.
CarInAVet
Stupid sad porcupine.
jacksparrah
I think it's hard in a movie to really, accurately show the extent of damage the Ring was doing to Frodo throughout the journey, 1/2
karlbadmanners
I have always equated the damage the ring does, to the damage addiction can do, at least that' how I felt, even being clean, it lingers.
karlbadmanners
Though I know Tolkein had the trauma of war in mind for the long term effects of the ring. Still I think it is a great rep of addiction
jacksparrah
especially with other character arcs to complete. A lot of it, in the books, has more to do with introspection on Frodo that wouldn't BE 2/3
jacksparrah
visible or possible in a movie. At least, not with the time constraints. They did well for what they could feasibly work with. 3/3
terribleinternetpunsfirstborn
"with the time constraints" I think the Hobbit 9 hour extended edition trilogy makes a lie of this point. PJ don't know when to stop
tzxAzrael
mate, you realize that the complete LotR is actually 6 regular size novels, presented in 3 huge size novels? an 18h edition might get it all
BluePaladin42
Thank yoooou, so many people miss this.
Szwejkowski
The BBC radio adaptation managed it. Frodo rocks in that. Of course he's Ian Holm, which helps, but still! Sam's Bill Nighy.
RoutemasterFlash
Yeah, that's a great adaptation.
beanspud28
I'm sorry what now... radio adaptation? Where might I find such treasure! !
Szwejkowski
Amazon/audible have it at varying prices. Or check around on youtube if you're skint. It's over 12 hours long, entertain you long time.
NothingRhymesWithClockworkOrange
I actually think Harry Potter acted well in showing this in the films.
sammysixshooter
Just realised he was frodo. Its amazing how versatile an actor he is
NothingRhymesWithClockworkOrange
He is a wizard afterall.