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Jaqdakloun
You jest, but yeah
SinisterSlaw
Seems about right
lucindrea
the amount of BS he was able to get away with in Civil trials will not work in criminal proceedings - in the eyes of the law - campaigning is a personal pursuit and does not in any way excuse a person from legal actions (or having to sit in court) - he keeps wanting to bog down the courts and delay everything - it's going to backfire on him and as of today it's catching up with the orange child.
nobletrex
He got a 10 day stay and reduced bond to ~175 million this morning.
marsgoose
Still gets domed by ATF.
ManOfEvil93
Ahh yes, the American Legal System, Inferior to every other country in the World
Ploty
Sad but real
Chefpnut
“Granted”-judge probably
Copperbrat
yike
MaximilianShade
Inevitable follow-up crimes: "Your honor, my client is a rich white man who's never been convicted of a crime despite being repeatedly accused, and as such we move for immediate acquittal."
marthafarquar
You don't even need to be rich, multiple claims that Ted Bundy matched the description of the wanted killer were dismissed by police as they refused to believe a clean-cut white law student with no criminal record could be responsible for dozens of murders
ironymus
Andrei Chikatilo came away with his gruesome murders, because the Soviet Union thought it's "superior" way of civilisation would make serial killers impossible
petresun
It's interesting because that's the description of most politicians and they are responsible for THOUSANDS of deaths.
pandro
They also didn't know how to process so many phoned-in tips. Years later when they finally excavated through the piles of early tips and processed them all, Ted Bundy's distinctive vehicle (yellow vw i think?) had been called in, and ignored.
AyatollahBahloni
Q: What is the definition of a "shame"
A: A busload of lawyers driving off a cliff
Q: What is the definition of a "crying shame"
A: There was an empty seat.
RoutemasterFlash
Right, because all lawyers are evil. None of them have ever prosecuted someone who was guilty or defended someone who was innocent.
ExTechOp
What do you call a busload of lawyers in the bottom of a lake, after driving off a cliff?
A good start.
Dick the butcher: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
— William Shakespeare (1564–1616): The Second Part of King Henry the Sixth, Act IV, Scene 2
RoutemasterFlash
Wealthy white woman works even better.
Akule
Checks out.
https://fortune.com/europe/2024/03/22/87-year-old-billionaire-joe-lewis-says-hes-too-old-for-prison-after-pleading-guilty-to-insider-trading/
HolyAaron
Don't be racist it's money that gets you off
irrationalcompromise365
And Imgur hasn’t even caught up to today’s headline yet: Trump only has to put up 48% of his appeal money, and apparently the deadline means nothing. No reason stated that I could find.
Reminder that the $464M amount was calculated as the ill-gotten gains from his overstatement of value only; it didn’t even include a penalty amount for committing the crime.
SpaceballsTheComment
Ok, so the reason was he couldn't possibly cough up half a billion in cash, stock or some liquidities. No one could do that much on short notice, not Elon, not Jeff, even if they wanted to. I don't like it either, but that's what I got from the news. And to no one's surprise, all that "Let's put Mar-A-Lago under the hammer" was just hot air. I'll hold my celebration until he's on the street or behind bars.
irrationalcompromise365
I get the point, and that you agree about Trump, but I absolutely do not care. It’s been a month. He said he had the cash. If you or I got hit with an obviously un-payable fine, lowering it and extending the date would never be considered. And this is just the measure needed for him to appeal, which means he’ll get the privilege of dragging this out indefinitely, never suffering the consequences.
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MouseDenton
Why only focus on one part of inequality in the system when you can criticize three at once?
SpikedSynapse
actually, I dont want to argue, I apologize
MouseDenton
No worries
Pizza1sLyfe
Judge prolly: I am also a rich white man (or wish I was) and therefore I would also like to be above the law.
duktayp
Meanwhile, in China https://www.reuters.com/world/china/former-official-regulator-sentenced-death-by-china-corruption-2022-06-02/
HankScorpioCEOofGlobexCorporation
Do...do you prefer this? Because this isn't better.
porcinechoirmaster
Excessively harsh justice is appealing to people who have no justice at all, or worse, a justice system that actively protects one class over another.
TheArrestingAbhorrentArrantAbominableAlliterator
Paraclown is right. The CCP is corrupt and pillaging the future of the Chinese people. They use "anti-corruption" campaigns to remove rivals, not root out corruption.
RoutemasterFlash
Yeah, when there's a conviction like this, it's pretty much like Littlefinger poisoning Joffrey in terms of 'morality'.
StarryPlough
didnt some guy called OJ Simpson get away with killing his wife? Methinks the only thing that really matters is being rich
Imalwaysready
Being rich trumps all. But second to that is perceived social power or influence. Then race.
Hevach
Very much on the prosecutor in that case. There's a reason why lawyers say never ask a question in court unless you already know the answer and that case was a case study in the fact. The glove stunt is the best known but witness after witness the case was eroded away by unforced errors.
MouseDenton
The cure for affluenza comes in 9mm and 5.55mm pills.
ExTechOp
*insomnia
JustAnotherRabidToaster
7.62x54R...when you absolutely, positively, have to kill every last motherfucker in the room. Accept no substitutes.
SalmonTheWise
And it comes at you fast.
TwoRidersWereApproaching
Sounds like u need to test that cure and report back if you can
Bhargo
I mean I'm pretty sure rich people arent bulletproof.
HankScorpioCEOofGlobexCorporation
You're saying this doesn't also happen in other developed countries too? Because I have a hard time believing that.
Khanamana324
Because this post is specifically about the US.
GiftedGoldfish
White people always get upset when I tell them that being able to get my records expunged as a juvenile was a privelage because it put me ahead of all the non white kids I was smoking weed with whose parents didn't have $1000 + attorney fees to seal their records when they turned 18.
pandemicmodedad
In Canada, that's automatic but also depends on the crime. My brother was involved in a B and E. Did community service and had his records expunged.
pandemicmodedad
He was 14 or 15 at the time.
Adsma2002
What state doesn't seal juvenile records? Granted in Georgia once you are 17 you are an adult in their eyes and fair game.
SupernaturalReactions
Well yeah. When it's a white kid, it's just "kids being kids" when they use drugs, vandalize, or harass, assault, & rape.
When they are minorities, it's a "history of antisocial behaviour", when they jaywalk...
StellarJay77
Don't forget the ol' "having a lot of future potential not to be penalized at such a young age" vs "we need to set an example for all the other minority children who turn to thievery to survive".
SupernaturalReactions
The judge's words in the sentencing of the convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner very much reflect that statement.
The father's words are even more telling. Here they are in all their disgusting, misogynistic glory: "It's a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action"
Privilege is just so engrained they cannot see women or POC as people.
StellarJay77
And the icing on that shit cake is any move to equalize or take away those privileges so they stop being harmful feels like oppression to them.
MissDeeMeanor
Remember the Affuenza defense, my client was raised wealthy and thus didn't know right from wrong?
GuysJustWannaFish
You mean Brock tuner the rapist? Or Donald Trump the rapist? There are so many to choose from...
FinancialRavioli
*Affluenza
blainetog
If this defense works, does that mean that we should seize wealth from the rich, for their own good?
NeoAcario
If it is proven in a court of law that wealth causes mental disease... then the answer should be pretty obvious. A law needs to be put in place to cap individual wealth. For the mental health of the nation.
Ragganmore
Might aswell.
AFelineMassofEyes
Yes, they're at risk for developing richophrenia.
prosper020
Not just for their own good but for the good of all.
Bigblackdick69
Whatever happened to Ethan Coach? He had such a punchable face
Hahoolah
I looked it up, and according to a cbs article he was first sentenced to 10 years of probation and then jailed for breaking said probation. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ethan-couch-affluenza-defense-killing-4-people-dui-crash-jailed-fort-worth-texas-probation-today-2020-01-03/
xedd82
All these people are such good people… they’re just affluent and don’t know any better…🪓
Subtilico
So his parents where jailed too right?
StarkeRealm
His father got arrested for impersonating a police officer a few years later.
Heisanevilgenius
*were
MouseDenton
The mother only got in a little trouble when she helped him flee after a parole violation, or something like that.
Hevach
Her trial for that is still pending. She's been in jail repeatedly for bail violations but judges assigned to the case keep buying new cars and her bail hasn't been revoked and she still doesn't have a trial date.
thisisausernamelikeanyothersbutthisonesmellsweird
Next up.. Homeless broke man that stole a cup of coffee.. 17 years at super max..
SunkenFruit
Your comment doesn't exactly jive with the reality of shoplifting laws these days does it? You know, the ones where people just walk in take what they want and walk out with little concern for the consequences. Y'all are 10/10 though for creating your own narrative.
CacklingOctopus
The laws are unchanged. Company policies operate under the logic that it's cheaper overall to not implement proper loss prevention. Long-term, any losses will be passed on to the consumer.
But sure, blame the woke radical leftist gay immigrant feminist antifa caravan or whatever.
Hevach
This is just a lie conservatives like to tell. There are tens of thousands of criminal convictions per year for shoplifting. There's videos of judges chastising store managers for contributing with bad employment practices but that doesn't translate to cases being dismissed. That law change in California was just to implement a split between felony and misdemeanor shoplifting, as it was the only state with only felony, and it still has one of the lowest cutoffs to qualify.
SunkenFruit
Is it a lie, or is there some truth to it? The context here was that a homeless man would get supermax for stealing a cup of coffee. My point is that isn't reality. It's more gross hyperbole. The kind that doesn't really help anyone. The kind that reinforces false narratives about our world. False narratives that create feelings of sadness, anger and hopelessness in those reading it. A shame because it's not actually this way. Yet, here I am trying to defend that to you. Sad really.
Hevach
The whole point of California's law change was that people were getting *life sentences* for shoplifting.
SunkenFruit
Ok. That doesn't change the point of my reply, which is to say that people, or more specifically poor people/the homeless, are not being given extremely harsh punishments for petty crimes as was suggested. That's a false narrative, and flies in the face of what we see today. Don't you agree?
PerthAussieMike
Sad to think I can imagine a lawyer actually trying this.
darthstormer
This literally happens every single day in the US.
SalmonTheWise
It was the defence strategy of the rapist Brock Turner in a nutshell.
Nathanfake
Daily
Exyr
Its literally happened. Lawyer got a kid off for something called afluenza
JimmyWalkerTexasRanger
LookYouStupidBastard
Are we talking about Brock Turner, the Convicted Rapist??
Corrodias
Ethan Couch. Got 10 years of probation requiring that he stay sober and couldn't abide by even that (alcohol, fleeing as a fugitive, marijuana). https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ethan-couch-affluenza-defense-killing-4-people-dui-crash-jailed-fort-worth-texas-probation-today-2020-01-03
dirtmarker
To be fair SOMETHING was wrong with that kid.
Imalwaysready
*A LOT of things.
SteepedGardenMrsChen
Right, but whether it was nature or nurture it went untreated and unpunished because of the success of the "affluenza defence". And there are A LOT of criminals that have 'something wrong with them' and aren't considered for anything other than prison for a long, long time. So, regardless, it's still a perfect example of rich white people not being subject to the same legal system as anyone else. And often it's just white people, no wealth required.
Imalwaysready
In his case it was wealth though. That's why it was literally dubbed "affluenza," because of his family's affluence. Being white helped, I'm sure, but it's a bad example of just being white getting you off because that one was decided centered on the money and social influence aspect of the thing.
SteepedGardenMrsChen
Yes, I am aware of the definition and the social intricacies. But it's ignorant to think a black family with just as much wealth would've achieved the same result.
Corrodias
The OP image literally includes the word "rich".