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drGrafenberg
Good job there by Jeffrey Dean Morgan.
DesirousYeti
Where’s the rest of the list?
inspiringandfunnyusernamecoolheh
this is just haunting
redghost999
They forgot murder kitty...
ChickenROAR
Ahh, the eyes of unyielding premeditated violence.
painkiller1968
Always thought Anton was the best screen villain since Hannibal.
MachineInterface
I'm not a psychologist, but I would have voted for Lou Bloom in Nightcrawler.
KaliaGrey
I was wondering the same but unfortunately the paper was published in Jan 2014, Nightcrawler came out in Oct 2014. Would be interesting tho.
MachineInterface
Oh yeah, that would explain it!
gtotherizzle
I agree. He was a realistic "Terminator" relentless but creative
IWasRealEnoughForGeorgy
I never thought of it as a realistic terminator, but god damn that makes so much sense!
gtotherizzle
It just needed the percussive soundtrack
ChrisCorona
Interesting but as pointed out, odd they would use that term as "psychopath" is not a recognized disorder per the psychiatric bible- DSM 5.
VaardArk
http://www.sakkyndig.com/psykologi/artvit/grego2014.pdf
Eiladar
American Psycho was more about the question if he was actually doing those things, or if they all occurred in his head.
mycatToastwasafatasshole
Dude I was mad attracted to him while watching the movie and I have no idea why. I think it was the voice.
ItHappenedInThe20thCentury
Yeah, Silence of the Lambs doesn't really hold up to the test of time, tbh. Shame.
ThisIsWhyIDontTrustPeople
When you don't win best psycopath.
snowblol
What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss?
mrputter
500 bucks (Canadian).
Igotfourbedrats
So, 25 cents American?
asm80dfa8sdfj
My dignity
YesICan12
Sir?
snowblol
The most, you ever lost, in a coin toss.
lilwrangler
You're a bit deaf, aren't you?
Blazefast
The man scared me shitless in this masterpiece, imagine he picks up one your sent
Perfzilla
https://www.businessinsider.com/famous-psychopaths-study-400-movies-most-realistic-2017-12
Bretbashim
Thank you! I had to scroll too far for this
Askani27
Business Insider coming through with the random movie facts!
Aelok
Dear lord it's pop-up have pop-ups.
squanchit
ShortyM
Jesus fuck that website is cancer
ChooChooMuthafucka
Doot
justanNPC
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ChrisCorona
"Uh, Carson Wells there?"
"Not in the sense that you mean."
YesICan12
Who is this?
tideroll1195772
You need to come see me
NeverShaveYourDuck
They should have checked out Brian Cox' Hannibal in Manhunter. Bone chilling.
somnif
I'd put Jake Gyllenhaal in 'Nightcralwer' high up on the list too. Dude is... unnerving.
drGrafenberg
All I want is the source.
jmbmpt
Dude. This is the Internet. People dont invent shit on the Internet.
drGrafenberg
No, sorry, I forgot that people don’t go on the internet and just make shit up. That post is now source!
Kawasakison
https://www.businessinsider.com/famous-psychopaths-study-400-movies-most-realistic-2017-12
rumandbass
The only other character who causes discomfort to the level of Chigurh is Homelander
theAught
He is an amazing character and acted so well - i literally feel dread every time he is on screen.
rumandbass
It feels similar to my childhood. I never knew when my mom was going to lash out at me for something i did or didn't do. Exhausting.
flyingvitality8
Atleast you now have amazing stamina?
MoreAshyThanLarry
Psychopathy is a pop culture/movie term, it is not officially recognized by psychologists.
VaardArk
http://www.sakkyndig.com/psykologi/artvit/grego2014.pdf
Aathas
r/TIL
infiniteblaze
Why are y'all booing him? He's right, you know! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
t113
http://www.sakkyndig.com/psykologi/artvit/grego2014.pdf
infiniteblaze
Thanks for sharing! I like reading about conflicting perspectives/diagnoses!
PballQhead
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder is the real thing
t113
http://www.sakkyndig.com/psykologi/artvit/grego2014.pdf
Thetruthmakesmesad
Truly chilling performance
obedienceispatriotism
He looks like April Dwyer’s big brother.
Goldenteckel
"Friendo."
TheUsernameOfTheCentury
“Shoot! 3 times” - Will Ferrell
100PercentCertifiedHuman
I can't call it for you. That wouldn't be fair.
Orcus424
The movie was set in 1980 while Jack Links wasn't founded till 1986.
FiendishDoctorWuTangClan
Call it
seldomgone
I need to know what we're playing for?
vonkeswick
The dude's life. He didn't know it though, Anton just told him to call it
ilikepotatos
Great movie.
JayEnfield
I... Couldn't dig it. The entire time I was watching, I just could not figure out what the heck the plot was.
Soufange
"It's not just about the hit we were hired to do, it's about the murders we committed along the way." "...What" "Hold on gotta flip a coin-"
RightToJailNoTrial
Sauce?
Dzingara
https://www.businessinsider.com/famous-psychopaths-study-400-movies-most-realistic-2017-12
AESTHETICALme
It's... It's in the image... Did... Can you see?
ilikepotatos
My mom said so.
KnowmSaying
No country for old men
SomebodyThatIsntMe
Darude Sandstorm
readintoit
It is just a coin.
Chair5768
If you haven't seen the Sound Guy (Kevin James) version of this scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANlMM0HQxC0
DangrebeTheMangrebe
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perfecteye18
That was fuckin incredible hahah
daou0111
that was awesome.
TripUpStairs
That was great. Thanks.
thomerow
⚪️
FatBastardVegetarian
Never been more uncomfortable watching a movie scene.
wolfrenegade
It sounds like he has gravel in his mouth during that scene so unsettling
OmnipotentBeing
Call it! Friendo!
FatBastardVegetarian
More uncomfortable than Scott's Tots.
MoschopsUK
Watch more porn movies with your mother. That can be excruciating.
sesamesnapsinhalf
What a coincidence. A group of hairstylists did the same exercise and reached this exact conclusion.
Smokinsalmon
Bahaahaha
Scarboroughbee
That's funny have a point
Raeke
They did a great job of answering the question “how can we make his hair as unsettling as possible?”
dannygrooves
Ackura
His hair is magnificent. In a very very psychopathic kinda way.
dingo8yrbaby
On a talk show, he said "Once I saw my new haircut in the mirror, I thought "I'm not getting laid for the next 2 months."
Skonnik
MissSpelledTattoo
Iwouldbenick
This comment has 1 down vote. I feel that person has that haircut.
RichardNutbutt
*sassy snap
RebeIScum
He doesn't look a thing like Jesus
XVUltima
But he talks like a gentleman
RebeIScum
Like you imagined when yoou were yoooung
ManOCheese
Joker is generally considered not just a bad depiction of mental health issues but also a dangerous one for promoting harmful stereotypes.
Ornado
HE just represents CHAOS in its most..natural state? Which is complete and utter freedom to do w/e you want whenever you want.
LarvaLamp
Joker is a comic book villain. Realism gets in the way of entertainment.
Dhatudhatu
I watched Joker and did some googling on that issue, and the opinion from professionals seemed very divided actually.
certainlynotaserialkiller
yes, he is a shitty magician.
Jonataurus
It doesn't promote anything. The movie doesn't tell you how to feel about him. If some people idolize him, that's on them.
ManOCheese
That's not what that means.
Jonataurus
Can you explain what you mean with promoting then?
ManOCheese
Promoting the idea that the stereotypes are true, which a lot of them aren't.
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
Why is Patrick Bateman unrealistic? I do 1000 stomach crunches everyday then roam New York City. My nightly bloodlust overflows into my days
VodkaReindeer
You're normal.-
Preincarnated
Because any realistic person would have taken their son and left that dysfunctional family and real estate development business behind.
davebeastly
Do you have to return some video tapes?
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
25schmeckles
Sounds more like Robert deniro in taxi driver
wtftomdelonge29
DickDastardly404
I don’t think patrick bateman was actually a psychopath. He was a murderer, and a madman but he felt a huge amount of emotion in the 1/2
DickDastardly404
Course of the movie. The movie ends on the note of “no one cares he’s psycho because they’re ALL psycho” but there are plenty of 1.5/2
DickDastardly404
Conditions and mental illnesses that make you kill people, but far fewer where you ignore a killer for the sake of selfishness and image 2/2
kingkongkeom
I never understood the fascination with that movie. I rewatched it a week ago,hadnt seen it since it came out..it just seems wannabe artsy.
graceinsheepsclothing
I rewatched recently. It doesn't hold up.
SzKnoWnzEvr72
And have you seen my business card?
neilwatkinsfromaccounting
This one?
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remarks61693
Stay inside though
BlastingRopeToWaluigiHentai
But can you get a table at Dorsia?
240Linden11
Great sea urchin ceviche
bilborrax
...nobody goes there anymore
henrikpetersson51
Seriously though, precisely why is he unrealistic?
monkofshadow
Probably to intelligent.
Leinfors
I'd assume because he's more of a caricature of yuppie culture's shallowness/dark underbelly than a more psychopath.
Wikipedo
Maybe most psychos have guts instead of abs
PTNLemay
Too social and charismatic, I'd imagine
eastend666
I never saw the movie until recently; wanted to see what all the fuss was about. I agree - very unrealistic character, psychopath or not.
josephfrancistribbiani
I think he hallucinated everything.
AxelBeingCivil
Because most psychopaths don't hack people up with chainsaws, they just take away their health insurance.
Heavenissize17socks
A psychopath would emote more empathy, not because they felt it but because they thought it was the 'acceptable' thing to do. 1/
Kbantar
They would likely try. But that doesn't mean they'd be good at it.
ConformistWithACause
Probably the emotions he shows. The book (which makes the movie look like fucking Disneyland) did a better job at the ending but in the
ConformistWithACause
Movie especially, I think you see more of his remorse, fear, anger, etc. The movie does too good of a job of making him out to be a poser
davesaint01930
The part in the book with the little kid...holy shit. I read the book years ago, and that image still haunts me.
500lizards
What happened with the kid again? I think my brain tried to block much of that book after finishing.
ConformistWithACause
There was a few parts where I put down the book and had to stop for a bit. The stuff with the hookers was too much for me
FourLegsGood
Real sociopaths reside in the uncanny valley of human behaviour. They should leave you very uncomfortable for no understandable reason 1/
BlindGardener
I leave people in the uncanny valley of human behavior, but that's because I'm mildly autistic.
Kbantar
Ugh. I've gotten infinitely better since childhood. But even at 46, those experienced in autism can tell I am within a few minutes.
FourLegsGood
Because their actions are emulating how real people behave without the underlying emotions associated with those actions. The most 2/
FourLegsGood
Professional sociopaths won't be able to express every nuance of expression and because of that there's always something "off" 3/3
groovinlow
Spot on. And that uneasy feeling can be valuable information for a clinician interviewing the sociopath.
DrKriegersClone
How do you tell a psychopath who's imitating normal emotion & reaction from high-functioning ASD who's also imitating normalcy?
AlwaysFavoriteAsian
Generally speaking. Im not sure this is true. They’ve normally mastered the imitation by adulthood. Otherwise they’d never make it in trw.
JustSomePersonThere
Are there any “really good ones” that can convince ANYONE that they’re “genuinely” feeling shit that they’re not?
Ubik360
Is Hannibal Lecter a psychopath? I always thought he was a man that just made a rational decision to kill and eat people.
MarsIsAfire
No. did you not read the post?
magicgirl
I think that's psychopathy? Manifests with logic. Sociopathy manifests with anger or whatever
ge0rd1eb4lls
Hesnot a psychopath. It even goes into great detail why he isn't one in the books. The person who wrote this quote doesn't get it.
DarkSock
...as one does...
omnipotentpasta
When they call themselves a people person, they mean “I’m a human fueled by the ingestion of other humans.”
DanielAsparagus
I was erroneously taught that t was the capacity for violence that distinguished them. There is no distinction.
metalrulercid
He was also a gourmet cook. +1
Draig1
The free-range rude.
TheOneAndOnlySomething
I mean, the most irrational thing about it is that it's a major crime and definitely not worth the risk of getting caught.
Soufange
I mean, I'm just bothered by creatures feeding on their own. It does something...
shitheadtookmyname
How do you know it's not worth the risk? Maybe it's like 1000 orgasms simultaneously
Gayforbae
Idk... the succulent nutty flavor of flambe'd longpig oysters is truly something to behold.....fft fft fftt fftt....
Anybodys
Hannibal Lecter’s interviews remind me of Ted Bundy’s Bones-for-time scheme when he was on death row.
Its332amAndMyDogNeedsAWalk
Psychopaths still think logically.
ochermes28
Considering that they have no compassion for others and can’t feel basic emotions (although they can mimic them) logical thinking about 1/2
ochermes28
2/2 about the consequences of their actions is absent.
Gayforbae
Some are even considered hyper rational.
murd0c1
Arguably more so, because they aren't emotional about it.
GodEmperorOfImgur
Lack of emotion does not necessarily mean your actions will be logical.
Guantanamobaae
True. For example, sociopaths do not feel empathy for other people. They’re only able to think of themselves. Everything else is >
Excludos
Less* Important distinction. Psychopath isn't binary, but a scale
Feralkyn
It's nothing, really; psychopathy and sociopathy aren't used in actual diagnoses/the DSM. Personality disorders have long replaced them.
Feralkyn
These two definitions--psychopath and sociopath--aren't clearly defined and in fact aren't generally used in real mental health settings.
Feralkyn
Most of the "psychopath is X, sociopath is Y" is urban legend/meme myth. Various personality disorders are used for real issues.
Guantanamobaae
>compartmentalized and discarded. Trump is sociopathic. He doesn’t care what damage he causes as long as he gets what he wants. He would>
Guantanamobaae
>absolutely murder people if he could get away with it. He just happens to have money to pay other people to do his dirty work.
BlastingRopeToWaluigiHentai
His portrayal on the TV Show "Hannibal" is substantially better than in the films. He is quite rational, deliberately evil.
ge0rd1eb4lls
It may be a better portrayal for drama but "deliberately evil" is incorrect. He's not evil, he just cares very little about things.
TheAccursedHamster
I believe Mads even said he played the character more as a satanic force of nature simy walking among people. Blue & orange morality.
magicbryanconnolly
Yup. TV series and Manhunter leave Hopkins in the shade I'm afraid.
Soufange
Ignoring his overacting because he was sick of the films, Red Dragon was good, but I'm also a fan of the 80s Manhunter
hippopoopamoose
Okay, you just convinced me to watch the series.
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
I’m on my third full watch-through. Brilliant show. Superbly acted, with subtleties abounding. Art direction is brilliant. Remarkable show.
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
(Plus, it has Laurence Fishburne, Eddie Izzard and the ever-sublime Gillian Anderson.)
BlastingRopeToWaluigiHentai
I've seen all the films and read all the books. The series is beautiful art.
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
I love the series so intensely that I’m having trouble convincing myself to watch the other movies besides Silence (which I LOVE). Dancy is>
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
so perfect in his depiction of Will Graham that I’m certain the role in the movies will feel flat in comparison. Plus: MADS.
BlastingRopeToWaluigiHentai
"Hannibal" and "Manhunter" are both fun.
FeloniousMonk13
Yes, agreed, to my understanding he's more of a sociopath.. sane but completely unfeeling.
WinsWaldo
Psychopath is psychological, sociopath is sociological. They’re both insane, but level of feeling is debated and varies.
PballQhead
Neither is a real diagnosis. The DSM lists Antisocial Personality Disorder, which includes "amoral, antisocial, asocial, psychopathic, and>
PballQhead
sociopathic personalities".
Kbantar
So just a gargantuan catch all for numerous psychologies and people. It should probably have the word, spectrum in it though.
NarratesTheDarkerStory
this. I have sociopathic 'tendencies' but also have a chem imbalance that makes my empathy response over-strong. I was and actually still¹
NarratesTheDarkerStory
am confused. The only therapist I had for years was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer and died within a month. haven't been to therapy since.
NarratesTheDarkerStory
to explain it super simply, I don't feel emotions when people die, I tear up and heartwarming dog videos, I can't play sports because ¹
DanielAsparagus
There’s no difference between them. Had this convo with my prof, a UPen alum. He said you’re wasting your time when you should be running. /
DanielAsparagus
The biopsychosocial model says it’s pretty much irrelevant what you call them. There is zero meaningful diff in the diagnosis.
WinsWaldo
Not from a neuropsychological perspective, if we believe we can distinguish ASPD in some based on brain activity (actively being studied).
WinsWaldo
Wanted to add here, these are terms used by researchers. The DSM5 diagnosis would be ASPD. The terms are helpful to study neuropsychology.
Feralkyn
Those things are not used in real medical settings, so any differentiation or definition is urban legend/myth.
WinsWaldo
It’s just how it’s studied. It’s an explanation of how ASPD can occur in neurotypical patients, i.e, sociopaths. Neuropsychology studies it.
WinsWaldo
It may not be clinically relevant, but it’s worthwhile to researchers.
murd0c1
Antisocial personality disorder is the correct term as medical professionals don't use either term. Nor do they differentiate between them.
WinsWaldo
Exactly! Based on DSM-5 ASPD fits both and no distinction is made. In study socio is societal influence, psycho is biological influence.
shitheadtookmyname
THANK YOU. Reading the inaccurate know it all comments here is maddening
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
THIS.
DanielAsparagus
Thanks fam.
TheeRealDuke
Also my understanding is that because of that, psychopaths are born, and sociopaths are made (through trauma or illness).
Moguntia
Have you read the rise of Hannibal Lector (don't remember the English title)? Trauma sums it up
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
I feel it’s important to clarify here that someone can fit the diagnosis of Antisocial Personality Disorder (what you’re calling >
TurangaLeelaIsMyMom
psychopath/sociopath) w/o actually being a bad person. For example, Sherlock Holmes has long been determined to fit this diagnosis.
BishopBerkeley
400 films?! That's like 773 hours of viewing. 8 hours a day = 92 days of film watching. I'm in.
FukcTedCruz
Imagine how many of them they probably napped through and/or were texting/meming.
Biigs
One of the best reasons to become a psychiatrist ive ever heard!
Smokinsalmon
And the world is a better place for it.....
PanicAtTheCostco
Quarantine baby
Someoneisinmyhead
Done it. And more. 400 disc dvd carousel, was gonna buy a second, then netflix took over. Plus piles of discs not loaded in.
ModernTenshi04
People found me crazy for wanting to watch 4 to 5 movies in a single day for Oscar showcases. It can be a slog but is sooo fun.
oOWelshWizardOo
For science.
Centroid
Fuck yeah
darkranger23
I wonder if they had to watch the entirety of every movie, or if they had disqualifying criteria that allowed them to end some early?
rumandbass
I would imagine this to be the case.
darkranger23
It doesn’t make sense to waste 2.5 hours when you know within 15 minutes that the portrayal is inaccurate.
bohjeenie
92 days straight of only watching psycho films. Hmmm
joanofarcane
You sound like the recurring guest on On Cinema
heartlessninja6
I volunteer for research!
igetmyfakeinternetpointscommentingstuff
8 hours a day of watching movies? Those are rookie numbers
cakeyay
Preincarnated
"I need a grant." "For what?" "um...research?"
rrlyrae
astrangehop
200 psychiatrists watch two films, then it goes to swiss rounds.
kingkongkeom
TheJazzButcher
You’re gonna put @UnitConversionBot out of business!
agoodlifeforabi
Well well, how the turn tables
RamosIsANerd
What else ya gonna do in 2020. Oh, right, bake.
kmikl
*get baked (in some cases.
ByJoveByJingle
Read the book instead.
SaraFourImgur
Gotta find something to do for at least a few more months
TheFactivist
Upvote for they did the math.
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
Umm, average movie length is (supposedly) 96.5 minutes, which would total at 643.33 hours. That's 26.8 days. They didn't do the math right?
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
That's just above 80 days of watching if you spent 8 hours a day.
4TWookie
Exept, No country for old men sits at 123 minutes, silence of the lambs sits at 152 minutes to name a few
4TWookie
The average runtime of psychological thrillers is actually about 120 minutes, even older movies like Hitchcock’s Vertigo runs 129 minutes
RobotOverlordFromTheFuture
They assumed an average runtime of 116 minutes which seems a bit high when there's 400 movies included. American Psycho is 102 minutes long.
PajamaRobot
They did the monster math.
DaringSteel
It was a graveyard graph
bolobass
iHaveATheoreticalDegreeinPhysics
It was a schoolyard smash
iambrose
*exasperated sigh*
TheatreStreet
It was a graveyard smash.
jlriosJumper
It actually took them three years
tg2222222
Source? Plz.
jlriosJumper
https://www.businessinsider.com/famous-psychopaths-study-400-movies-most-realistic-2017-12
BahamutBBob
Well, yeah, after collecting data, they had to parse the data, then confirm it.
tiramigiu
I don't understand why you didn't just do each film as 2 hours, then your maths would have been simpler. 100 days of film watching.
mornstalk
Maybe he really looked into it and calculated REAL time, some one of us want to be precise
tiramigiu
he'd have to know the list of 400 films, so i'm going to say he just guessed.
MonteCristo1985
I'm gonna guess they didn't all watch all of them, but I guess a 4 month study isn't insane.
shitheadtookmyname
What study? Watching movies isn't a study.
TheThingNoNotThatOne
Yeah, they could have just seen every scene with the character (or even just read the script).
BishlamekGurpgork
Or they didn't ALL watch every film.
OnePostCloserToAHappierLIfe
"Dude, want to make people pay us to watch movie?" "Dude!"
DemSumBigAssRidges
It's basically the fun part of a Masters thesis, really. I consider it very viable.
VolcanoHerder
You guys are getting a fun part?!
RadonGaming
It's the laborious part, which cannot be sped up. And doesn't even account for the actual analysis and hard work part.
DemSumBigAssRidges
Hahaha, I suppose that might be more accurate. I enjoy watching movies, but I guess the taking notes and shit part might spoil the fun...
RadonGaming
When you no longer have the choice, it's no longer fun. I love watching Sci-Fi. If it became my job, I'd hate it!