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I told myself I wouldn't participate in this. I was too good to drop to this level of pettiness. It would blow over in a few days, I told myself. It didn't
Here's a short backstory:
A$AP Rocky was seen beating up a 19 year old man in Sweden with a broken bottle. What happened before, during and after I don't personally know as I wasn't there. Neither was people like Trump. Is he guilty? I don't know but I trust the judicial system and police will figure this out
Here's some pretty graphic photos.
NSFW link
https://www.bt.dk/kendte/voldsomme-billeder-politiet-frigiver-fotos-af-offerets-skader-i-aap-rocky-sag
Here's a video of the incident:
https://www.stereogum.com/2049922/aap-rocky-appears-to-beat-up-a-pedestrian-in-stockholm/video/
A$AP Rocky's mom believes the country of Sweden is trying to make an example of her son ... and there's very a good chance it's only because of the color of his skin.
https://www.tmz.com/2019/07/22/renee-black-asap-rocky-mom-sweden-jail/
Sweden is perhaps the least racist country in the world! I'm not Swedish and I'm not biased, but they're out neighbouring country and we share a lot of news. The police in Sweden aren't even allowed to describe a persons skin colour unless it's very important.
YB Södermalm describes it very well. For people who might not now, the Swedish judicial system is a separate institution and no one can overrule, bribe, pardon or change the outcome of a trial.
This means everyone get the same punishment for the same crime, not matter how rich or poor you are. You cannot get away with aggravated assault just because you're some rich lordlings firstborn son.
The Swedish prime minister is right. ASAP will be treated fair.
What Trump fails to understand in his ignorance is, you cannot bribe the system by paying bail. You're not above the law in Sweden just because you're rich.
What's the alternative he's talking about? Bribes? Bombs?
Again, not even the King of Sweden can say "Hey, release my bro A$AP, asap" because NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW in Sweden!
I'm still not sure what exactly USA is doing for Sweden. But at this point he sounds like an angry toddler who was told he couldn't get another ice cream.
People in the US are telling people to boycott IKEA. This part baffles me. What should boycotting some random Swedish company help? It's not like the CEO of IKEA is the judge.
I'm not sure if this is stupidity, lack of understanding the world outside the US or some other thing.
https://www.thelocal.se/20190727/aap-rocky-fans-threaten-ikea-boycott-in-protest-at-sweden-assault-case
/rant
hiig
No idea who this guy is & I don't care, but after 7 years living in Sweden, the notion that Swedes are the least racist is wildly inaccurate
Gauntlet2013
He is a big fat toddler, we as Americans are not, I go to anyone’s country I have to have respect who the fuck does A$hit think he is anyway
LurkerOfDarkness
He thinks he's a big shot who is above the law, and now he's going to find out that shit doesn't fly in Sweden.
fishlies
As your eastern neighbour I say +1 (och jävla svenne)
torbjornjoh
Dålig sisu där.
krydsfok
thatsmyfetish69
Being “vouched” by the racist pussygrabber in chief is an instant conviction.
swedeonamoose
what i think got rocky into trouble was when they all started kicking the guy when he was down, from self defense to assault.
georgecostanzalatexsalesman
Worldstar!
mormacil
Exactly. Sweden, Europe in general, has a far more defined line between defense and assault.
causality
Fucking Kanye West...
Gantzz321
was this him or his wife, I really don't know or really care to be honest
NoCityBoy
they talked to trump about the case.
AlkeneThiol
Kanye called trump. Probably explicitly said "this will help you with black people."
NotInLimboAnymore
"But at this point he sounds like an angry toddler..." Trump always sounds like an angry toddler when things don't go his way.
DickTipPapercut
I've actually never seen him NOT sound like an angry toddler..
TheCaptain00
He acts like a smug child and a little kid telling a story as much as a tantrum baby. When he isn't ramming ramparts and seizing airports.
DanJonesKing
the CEO of IKEA gives almost all his money to charities and he lives very simply. Fuck off with the boycotting thing.
MollyNapQueen
What everyone fails to understand it that asap and his people went above and beyond what the law allows for self defense. 1/?
MollyNapQueen
The law allows for minimum amount of violence to be used. So when the other guy was down, and asap & people kept on hitting him, 2/?
MollyNapQueen
It's no longer self defense. That's when it's assault.
TheS4ndm4n
It's the same in America. Except in Sweden the government and justice system are not (as) corrupt.
amundost
Trump offers to pay the bail. That's funny. Sweden doesn't have a justice system where those with money can just pay to get out...
LurkerOfDarkness
Trump assumes every country (dys)functions like the US.
JupitersWitch
Because it does. Sweden is not a utopia. It is prone to corruption. See their handling of Telia execs as an example.
LurkerOfDarkness
Noone claims it's a Utopia, and corruption in Sweden os extremely low.
Canofminus
He’s a convicted criminal for both violent and nonviolent offenses. How is he even able to get a visa to enter any country???
iouoneusername
European countries doesn't hinder criminals from entering. Only problem is that the US might say they can't leave while on probation.
slh002
Sweden, do what you must. Do what, legally, you have a right to do. No problem here.
hannibal1barca
Why in the world would anyone not want him to go to trial? He shouldn't get special treatment bc he is American - Trump again is an idiot
LurkerOfDarkness
Trump want to get some votes, and some of asaps fans don't care about anything but getting him out, and screw justice and the law.
WhatzitTooya
Does the god damn President of the United States have nothing else to do than bailing out some spoiled brat over twitter?
iouoneusername
You gotta realize that some celebrity told him to so it's not like he had a choice.
LordCounta
As a swede; we don't care! No one is or should ever be above the law and manipulate it for their own benefit.
JoleneJoleneJoleneJoleeene
But why does Trump care about this particular case? And why is Kanye involved?
pineapples555
He doesn't. It's a stunt to gain favor with the black population (regardless if he gets his "will" through or not)
gorillaClutch
see sweden what you don't understand is american rappers have to be free to commit cool crimes otherwise people don't think they're cool.
MalePatternBlackness
They also make money for some really powerful people.
nolittleplans
We apologize for our stupid members of society. The race card gets pulled both ways and people forget justice is blind and proof is not
PonyMadness
And people love bandwagons because it's trendy.
MyNameIsPer
"I don't want facts!! I wanna be mad!!"
NickRivieraMD
the practice of justice is not, in fact, blind, only ideally
DeputyWhiskers
Preach
WillJeSuis
It's even worse when it's the President saying such things. Well the UK now has Boris so...maybe this will be the norm now...
nolittleplans
The UK should break away from Parliament and form America 2
Lucky246
Uk is very very far from being close to america and its core ideals
n0n53n53
you serious Clark? Either you're blind as a bat, or you have no clue what American core ideals are
nolittleplans
That is not true mate. UK just wants to think that cause they will do anything to part from us
nonCanadianGoose
Fuck these ppl, his fans don’t shop IKEA anyway. IKEA CEO is one of the most down to earth guys ever
NoWonderImStillAwake
Ikea left Sweden to escape absurdly high taxes over 40 years ago. It has been based in the Netherlands ever since lol
AyoSis
what? big fan of his and i love IKEA
Individualsocksinthewashingmachine
The founder was a really nice dude as well. RIP Ingvar, driving around in his shitty little hatchback when he was a billionaire
haerdoepfu
Why are you making Ikea part of this now? As OP said, this company isn't connected to the incident at all. Who shops where doesn't matter.
nonCanadianGoose
I’m more criticizing boycotters for taking it out on a not only innocent company, but one w/ a decent CEO
Cliffman
Most probably because he is dead. If you mean the guy who founded the company. Otherwise, I'll apologise and back away into the darkness.
nonCanadianGoose
The guy whose entire house is furnished in IKEA that he assembled himself, owned a late model car, & chill w/ his employees?
Cliffman
I don't know about that, but Ingvar Kamprad (The "IK" part of IKEA) died a few years ago. I guess my ignorance is what earned the downvotes?
Lucky246
So he gave a very nice response and even apologized if he was wrong and you still felt the need to say this?
nonCanadianGoose
I was asking if this is the guy that passed away.
Lucky246
Aw. Im sorry then. Have a good day. Good luck
Inarticulated
As a Swede: There's plenty of racists here.
torbjornjoh
There's plenty of racists everywhere. Grow up. The issue we have over here is that the Leftism agenda is the only way that is accepted.
Inarticulated
Grow up? I just reacted to the post itself "Sweden is perhaps the least racist country in the world!" 30% racists where I'm from
torbjornjoh
Difference here is that most people don't dare vent their opinion in public rooms due to the leftist mafia.
Inarticulated
I guess we've had quite the different experiences then, as I've been a victim of racists for over 28 years here. Just from walking by myself
torbjornjoh
Yep, just look at the mads migration of jews from Sweden recently. It's not getting better.
MalePatternBlackness
As an American: They are everywhere and every color because man is a fearful species.
Sigtran
https://imgur.com/VtviYjx
DontTazeMeBrah
idontknowyoufromadam
She was Minister of Enterprise and Innovation at the time and was asked if a new law made it easier for some companies to break the law. 1/2
idontknowyoufromadam
She answered that criminal enterprises were and would continue to be illegal. A badly translated subtitle, intentionally or not. 2/2
Krashtestdummy
Softbottom
The GOAT right here.
evildeadtwo
psycho3d
Rukenpluk123
PressMyButtonsBaby
FunctioningWorkaholic
VindictiveBathToaster
I’m 40 years old and all I can think is, “Who the fuck is A$AP Rocky?!”
Krashtestdummy
Fellow 40 year old here, Never heard of him.
Splunkd
Me either. But hey, toddler and commander has a mic. Since when does a prez care about this? Let the cops do their thing.
Splunkd
Investigate, follow process. Twatllering, after calling numbers given; of those who dont know details yet either, does nothing.
BadCompanyIsHere
Why would freeing Rocky be considered justice without a trial? Maybe justice for Rocky is a long incarceration...
ElSuaveFernando
oh he going down fo sho!
WarDragon1984
Trump's idea of justice is "I get what I want when I want it."
OmnibusLatinName
In the same way that many have come to understand the concept of equality. :(
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MrsMFM
He followed Rocky around after he was begged to stop... that’s stalking
xn1992
Yes, the guy is 19, and already with 5 criminal convictions for serious violent assault, drugs theft etc. He is very happy to dole it out.
jmeyers1983
There may have been factors that he did to contribute to this, but this is why the collection of evidence and maybe a trial is correct.
BenGoodal
There seems to be little proof the two guys did much wrong. What I did see was a four on one kicking though.
Niiorkl
Was about to say the same in my comment. Legitimate self defense is not 4 vs 1 with improvised weaponry
simiotic24
As Americans, our perception of justice is warped. Our courts are constantly political/racist/classist. We have no faith in justice anymore
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Americans are made to think you can only punish, torment and oppress, that you can't turn anyone into a better person again.
PotatoIsland
I mean thats basically what are prisons are, plenty of abused prisoners, bad conditions, made to be shitty so that you fear going to them 1/
PotatoIsland
instead of wanting to follow the law for morale reasons/rehabilitating criminals because that would require actual effort. (This is about 2/
PotatoIsland
American prisons and our fucked up system not all prisons.) 3/3
SippyTurtle
Trump thinks he can win black voters by acting like this.
ToneLock
i hate to believe the black community is shortsighted like this
nonCanadianGoose
In a Swedish prison, which is pretty good. Far better than American prison
Stinkleberg
Swedish prison is nicer than my apartment.
MyNameIsPer
I hear ya
CthulhusGreasyBallsack
Better neighbors, too.
Rinani
They are pretty rough to when you first start as I hear it, put into a room full of boxes with just an Allen wrench
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
That's because their prison system rehabilitates people into non-criminals, it doesn't force labor out of them before throwing them out.
PotatoIsland
American prison systems are basically there to try and beat the will live out, leave em broken so that they destroy themselves.
BigKat45
That’s the problem with for profit prison systems. More inmates in their beds = more money
ShouldersDeepInAHorse
Nah, so that they keep committing crimes, because no one gives them jobs either, keeps the prison filled and earns the owners more money.
BoltAurelius
Why does this Rocky person needed to be releaaed ASAP?
slynnchef
LOL! I got it.
cAPTNcAPSLOCK
badum tiss
futtheshuckup
I don't know! Also isn't punching what Rocky persons do? Atleast that's what I know them for
baturro
Koskun
Trump thinks it's so he can look good to the "African American Community" and win votes.
TorSverre
And I'm sad to say it works ...
DrJoint420
all in all if you consider who controls the media and music industry, it should be no surprise as to why they even engaged the potus to help
DrJoint420
free one of their puppets
koflan
Trump needs votes from black people in 2020.
InsertNameHereIGuess
This.
MalePatternBlackness
Uh, black people dont really care about this crap. I'm sure the media will track down and ask only those who do.
WiqidBritt
Doesn't really matter if they do or not, he just thinks they do. Because he's dumb.
UnattendedDeviant
That ain't happening. He polls at 95% unfavorably. And I think only 2% of my people might be dumb enough to be persuaded by this foolish act
koflan
Unfortunately, I think the truth is actually more like he's looking out for celebrities because fame and special treatment is his world.
koflan
Though in this case, it's a celebrity that can benefit him. I honestly don't know if he's lucid enough to do it for the election.
NoAsBigAsMediumJockButBiggerThanWeeJockJock
Ridiculous happy to hear that. I have a bet running that Trump gets a second term which i hope i loose.
UnattendedDeviant
Trump is pandering. What's insulting is that Trump thinks "rapper!!", he's got to be an important figure to us Black folks.
ExplainThisJoke
also he thinks Kanye is "very cool"
LurkerOfDarkness
Because people listen with their skin pigmentation and not their ears of course.
UnattendedDeviant
You underestimate the Black population if you think this changes minds. Even if he was a important figure Trump has much to overcome.
LurkerOfDarkness
*whoosh*
Gremlins453
Wellll, also..... skin pigmentation doesn't determine intelligence either. Neither the lack of, nor increased.
Degarafarat
Who?
n0n53n53
Some dude who tried to steal Aesop Rock's moniker went to Sweden and committed a crime but Kanye and now Trump want him released just cause
Degarafarat
Sure. But still...Who?
tentacularfleshscape
Thank you for knowing about the name thing, it's infuriating when i try telling people about Aes and they invariably go "asap rocky?"
n0n53n53
IT's like that dipshit Lin Nas X. Is this a thing now, steal part of a real rappers name to confuse record execs? whats next 'Lil two-pock'
n0n53n53
*lil
UnattendedDeviant
Thank you for the post. Trump is pandering to Black voters here in U.S. He consistently polls at 95% unfavorably with this segment. 1/
AlkeneThiol
Trump thinks that blustering about flacko will somehow make up for him multiple times saying black cities are "infested." its lol
QUOLL37
Trump is pandering to an equally narcissistic arrogant cretin named Kanye, he continues to despise the mass of black Americans
UnattendedDeviant
He has no chance of changing that here. But it's more of a message to his base that says "see, he can't be a racist". What's insulting.. 2/
comehomefransbrauder
Black voters. to every Trump tweet..https://media.giphy.com/media/Wvvly7op4K8Gb0jpQU/giphy.gif
Blackbodylogic
But does his base need reassurance that he isn’t racist? He knows they don’t care if he IS. So I’m still confused at why he’s doing this
UnattendedDeviant
He's giving them a *reason* to say they aren't racist. That doesn't mean he/they aren't. It's just window dressing to serve as cover.
UnattendedDeviant
And Ivsay this as U.S. Black male is that he thinks doing this for some obscure Black rapper would win Blacks over. I guess he's thinking 3/
UnattendedDeviant
He's thinking "rapper" so he must be an important figure to Black people. Also as far as IKEA boycott goes is that it will only goe as 4/
UnattendedDeviant
It will only go as far as being a Twitter hashtag trend for the few hours it was. I haven't seen it since Trump's tweet.
UnattendedDeviant
Sweden you just take care of their business. I don't know the story either and only think about it when it's mentioned. Thanks again.
nonCanadianGoose
Wtf, Swedish prisons are damn nice
torbjornjoh
Yeah for white collar crimes maybe
nonCanadianGoose
Google it. GPop look like a high class dorm
torbjornjoh
Dude I live there. Right in Malmö, a.k.a the ghetto@in intl. media
LurkerOfDarkness
In Sweden and most of the rest of Europe the lock up conditions in prison is based on your flight risk, and threat to other prisoners 1/2
torbjornjoh
Not really no.
LurkerOfDarkness
And the public at large, should they escape, so if you're a high flight risk white collar criminal, you won't be in an open prison. 2/2
mormacil
They are and I'm sure he's treated fairly but he's not in prison, he's a jail. Swedish jails are a whole lot less nice because they're 1/2
mormacil
not rehabilitating, they're lock up till trail. So yeah they're nice but he's never been inside one. 2/2
torbjornjoh
Like your average drunk tank I'd say.
mormacil
Yeah exactly, maybe a bit nicer. Sweden does have more funding for this stuff but then again alcohol costs an arm and a leg.
torbjornjoh
Haha bootleg's the shit
SalvadorVango
I highly doubt the 19 yo is completely innocent in this, but the extent that A$AP beat his is pretty brutal too. It’ll be interesting.
mormacil
Nobody claims he is, the charge against A$AP is about him hitting after the guy stopped being a threat, not hitting him to begin with.
RepostFromLastWeek
Saying you deserved to be beaten for running your mouth makes as much sense as saying you deserved to be raped for dressing slutty.
rollercostarican
not even close. If someone is asking you to leave them alone and you continue to follow them, antagonize them, and touch them, and they say
rollercostarican
leave me alone before i hurt you and then they hurt you. You created a situation. If you simply wear revealing attire, you're only "asking"
rollercostarican
to get looked at.
MistressLyda
Harassing someone vs walking around and minding your own business, while having a certain appearance? I would not quite compare those.
HungLikeHorseFly
Not defending A$AP but the "kid" who was following taunting and instigating it has a long rep sheet of criminal behavior.
RomeoWhereShartThou
Hadn't heard of A$AP until this post, but according to Wiki, he has a considerable history of public assault of his own.
Gantzz321
Do you know what FREEDOM even means? It does not mean you get to kick the shit out of someone for following you
HungLikeHorseFly
What about him putting his hands on his bodyguard, is that FREEDOM as well?
Gantzz321
bodyguard had already done something to this kid and phone, so for the kid to keep him at arms length in a DEFENSIVE many is not what you ..
Gantzz321
*DEFENSIVE manor, And not the attack form you are implying.
HungLikeHorseFly
Show me where the body guard did something before the kid busted the headphones over the body guards head. There is video evidence of
CrusherOfCities
Source? I'd fully believe he baited them into the fight... but it still won't excuse 4 people beating a small man on the ground.
HungLikeHorseFly
Not the best source but there is multiple places reporting it, I will link a few sources below this.
HungLikeHorseFly
A reddit post with info about him: https://www.reddit.com/r/flacko/comments/ci3qw1/the_truth_about_aap_rockys_victim_mustafa_jafari/
HungLikeHorseFly
https://www.tmz.com/2019/07/25/asap-rocky-alleged-victim-criminal-assault-record/
HungLikeHorseFly
https://www.complex.com/music/2019/07/asap-rocky-victim-criminal-assault
HungLikeHorseFly
You can't expect to keep taunting someone forever and not expect consequences as well.
JustAnotherRandomCommenter
right. the correct response to verbal taunting is to slice the person up with a broken bottle. obviously.
HungLikeHorseFly
Reading is hard isn't it? I said I am not defending him but if you are gonna talk shit and taunt someone.. expect consequences.
RomeoWhereShartThou
Sure: equal and opposite consequences, but if you are gonna go beyond that.. expect legal consequences.
Tonmi82
And reacting to that with violence has a consequence. Which is criminal prosecution in Scandinavia.
HungLikeHorseFly
Weird why the young man didn't get charged when he was the first one to put his hands on the body guard, I guess Scandinavia doesn't always.
Gantzz321
walking is taunting in your books? Sounded to me like the big guy did something to his phone.
HungLikeHorseFly
Did you even watch the videos? Did you see where the guy put his hands on the bodyguard as well or did you conveniently overlook that part?
Gantzz321
put his hands on bodyguard to keep him away, not to attack, get you head out of your ass.
LurkerOfDarkness
It doesn't justify a violent response, not in any European country, it might in the US. But not over here.
HungLikeHorseFly
What about when he put his hands on the bodyguard, is that a free pass as well in European countries?
LurkerOfDarkness
Then you get to use the necessary amount of force to remove the hand, if your surpass, you're assaulting the guy.
Hotword
Is the video out where he actually hits someone I keep seeing him trying to get him self and his people away from an aggressor?
Stenheim
Didn't know turning around and walking up to some one within an inch of his face was called getting away.
LurkerOfDarkness
It's these new alternative facts, they haven't really caught in Sweden or the rest of the nordic countries.
CrusherOfCities
The 2nd link has a video from TMZ that cuts from them talking to him and 3 others beating the man on the ground. It conveniently cuts 1/2
CrusherOfCities
2/2 out whatever lead up to the fight... though it'd be hard to defend the beating shown, even if the other man started the fight.
IAmNotTomBrady
My thoughts too. Show the whole video not some edited one, let people see what really happened.
moosebiter
The video is in the post of him launching the guy across the road then hitting him on the ground. Unless that's not him?
SemperFiZero
The group of people beat that kid. I get that kid was being a fucking asshole. But gang beating him? Fucking hell.
TargetedAdBot
Despite imgur popular opinion, beating up assholes is illegal in many countries.
Tonmi82
This deserves way more upvotes.