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AdmiralCPD
I shed blood, sweat, and tears in that country...shame how everything played out
QuickPaws
Damn. Just.... Damn.
TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsTheBabyAteMyDingo
TheRealGowron
It's weird that Imgur can cry about the Iraq War while cooing over the man who started it wearing a piece of plastic on his head.
massakayne
let's keep these images in mind next time any president decides to go to war with any country. this is the cost of unasked questions.
AdrianMole
With the benefit of hindsight this is the birth of isis.
damspam
hindsight? Many predicted this before we invaded.
michaelmp
What a bullshit fucked up war that really served no damn purpose.
WontSomeonePleaseThinkOfTheChildren
What could go wrong? -- George W Bush.
janiczek83
how to fuckup a country on false accusations - than bail out , leave mess and bang. we have isis.
memberwar
And everyone slobbering on George W. Bush's knob on the front page. "Gosh he did the best he could" No. Fuck you.
janiczek83
fuck who ? I would say Fuck Bush - he did it all the worst along with all his team members
soggyscone
The fuck is happening in the picture of the kids holding the guns to the other kids head?
ResidentOfWinland
Effect of growing up in a war is what is happening.
NingaAnon
learned behaviour
Beepity
They're playing the local version of Cowyboys and Indians.
fuck123456789
never let Trump tell you he didnt support it
scuber
Hillary also supported it.
fuck123456789
Does that matter now?
GeorgeGeef
He doesn't support that we didn't commit war crimes and plunder their oil.
grabthembythepussy
Does it matter?!he was an awful TV celeb,his opinion and Kim K's sex tape are at the same level of importance.
fluffy4000
Bush-bazooled again!
IowegianStud
What a waste of blood and treasure. All so Bush junior could finish his daddies war.
imnotthedoctor
Seeing the royal palace during the initial Shock & Awe is surreal. An ancient palace being bombed by high-tech missiles seems so odd.
Displicentlickeroflittlethings
USA war crimes in Irak sounds better.
ahinsak
NO ONE LEARNS!!!!!!!!
SurfHill
tacoparlor
The Iraq War in numbers: we could have purchased the country of Mexico with the number of dollars the war cost. Thanks, W.
Doggoyesgood
Gore instead of Bush, Bernie instead of Twitler, a butterflys wing instead of Catrina, peace instead of war.
IowegianStud
Americans love a good war though. 70% of the national was in favor of the illegal invasion of sovereign nation.
LeR0yJankins
Why didnt we just take their oil... maybe we will -trump
TheHappyMadman
"Generation Kill" HBO series with Alexander Skarsgård. Telling of a marine scout unit in the Iraq war. Highly Recommend it. ->
TheHappyMadman
its up there for me with Band of Brothers and The Pacific, for go to War series.
theBEARDEDarchaeologist
Read the book
Slave001
WAR - What is it good for?
Rectunator
It's the noblest thing mankind is capable of. It strenghtens and purifies our species. War is neccessary for us. And makes for a fine show.
Attaroo
Absolutely nothing. Say it again.
memberwar
Economy of the winner. Egos of the soldiers. Myth-making to perpetuate "patriotism." Lots of stuff.
FreaksOnWheels
I think it's so strange that wars still happen; I would have expected us to evolve beyond that
imnotthedoctor
Wars aren't stopping anytime soon.
FracturedTimeline
When corporations make billions off war it is in their best interest to keep fear up. Peace sells but who's buyin'.
FreaksOnWheels
Funny I got downvoted for that. I will have two peace please!
GeorgeGeef
Maybe people saw your second comment, and they really hate Megadeth.
CanadaEhBuddy
Ummm #2 is most definitely not from the Iraq war, first 2 clues, helmets and unis, second, look at the truck
grumpy173
Looks like Iraqi helmets, unis and trucks. They were part of the war also, you know.
CanadaEhBuddy
Look at the radio by the gunner that's mid 20th century tech and that jeep in the back is a willis
grumpy173
Manpack radios still common (e.g, US PRC-150), ASELSAN PRC-966), so hard to say that it's 80s technology
grumpy173
http://www.aselsan.com.tr/en-us/capabilities/military-communication-systems/hf-software-defined-radio
IowegianStud
That's a Toyota land cruiser. But yes that is from Iran Iraq war.
grumpy173
I'm certainly not an expert, but doesn't look to me like a Willis - radiator not tall nor square enough
grumpy173
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willys_MB#/media/File:Covered_Willy%27s_jeep_Wings_Over_Wine_Country_2007.JPG
Dmaneyes74
Shitty part is where did it get us. Not to say we shouldn't have gone but damn, be nice to finish a war instead of making more smaller wars
memberwar
It was never about "us" silly
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SurfHill
B.S. revisionist crap. Saddam had shown is propensity to invade neighbors already.
OldManTaylor
I'll say it, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE
Nuttsy
I wanted to say it at least cut down on chemical weapons in the region, but they just went on to making mustard gas in empty school yards.
plymouthvaliant
Well, we did finish the war. War is easy. Counter-insurgency, on the other hand...
memberwar
"not to say we shouldnt have gone" Do you still thinks Saddam had nukes?
Plemeno
I mean it didn't get America very far, but it flung a shit ton of innocent people to rock bottom. Where's the picture of their graves?
bamcockseverywhere
tigrisriver.jpg :(
memberwar
That's where you're wrong. Iraq War boosted the national debt, bigly.
memberwar
"not to say we shouldnt have gone" oh shit, I found the one guy who still thinks Saddam had nukes. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Carefuler
He was fine with us invading his country and kicking his ass the first time after telling him that Iraq invading Kuwait was none of our 1/
Carefuler
business, and totally wouldn't have financed terrorists.
Dmaneyes74
Someone doesn't know American History,good part in this thread many do.History is not what we think but what we've seen, read, or been told.
ARandomHelljumper
Nukes were never talked about. WMDs encompass chemical, bio, and radiological. Saddam had used nerve gas plenty of times on civilians.
memberwar
Oh really? Tell me, have you heard the name Valerie Plame? If so, do you know why? Tell me nukes weren't talked about.
ARandomHelljumper
http://world.time.com/2014/01/20/iran-still-haunted-and-influenced-by-chemical-weapons-attacks/
ARandomHelljumper
If you want to talk about the shit poor decision to invade by the US, good, everyone should. But Iraq was factually infamous for using WMDs.
memberwar
And factually had disposed of them. See also: Hans Blix
Plemeno
Fucking hell, what did you accomplish there apart from making a fuck ton of indigenous people miserable or dead? That picture of the...
imnotthedoctor
It was a lose-lose situation, and we picked the worse evil. Saddam was a real threat, but airstrikes would be just as effective.
memberwar
Yeah, up next, more pictures of how cute GWB is and how we all love his zany antics. SHAKIN MY DAMN HEAD
MenaceToSobriety
It's almost as if it's dangerous and damaging to generalize an entire group of people.
imnotthedoctor
It was a lose-lose situation, and we picked the worse evil. Saddam was a real threat, but airstrikes would be just as effective.
GreaterDog
Saddam was a genocidal despot that the US supported as a foe against Iran. We only sought to remove him from power when he stopped (1/2)
GreaterDog
obeying us economically and became a military liability. Our leaders have a habit of doing that in countries rich in natural resources.(2/2)
imnotthedoctor
I hate people that claim that oil was at very least, was not a factor in the invasion. Look at all the Banana Republics we manipulated
GeorgeGeef
We destabilized the region real good.
imnotthedoctor
Actually the British and French partition fucked up the region, directly leading to the rise of ISIL
ElPoloDiablo
Take it you mean Sykes-Picot agreement? I wouldn't say that was so direct. The direct cause is the fall of dictatorial powers in the M. East
imnotthedoctor
At the end of the colonies, the French and British lazily divided the mid-east, totally ignoring traditional boundaries.
ElPoloDiablo
Yeah, Skyes-Picot agreement was the agreement made during WW1 about this. The M. East sort of recovered through dictatorships, but they fell
Plemeno
...townspeople having to clean up the mess that America made. Just normal people, and their lives are ruined, their families are torn and...
Plemeno
..for what? At least the troops somewhat knew what they were getting in to. No civ signed up for that shit. Where are Bush's paintings of...
Plemeno
...the Iraqi lives he ruined? Painting pictures of injured veterans like they're the true casualties in this mess. Disgusting
Thekingofbeans
To be fair, the alternate idea was doing nothing. This wasn't the intended outcome.
GeorgeGeef
Just FYI, you don't need to ride around on your high horse and "you Americans" us over a war that has always been hugely unpopular here.
shhep
Dude. You can't argue a large portion of your populace gets off on war and military power.
Plemeno
I would've thought so too, but when movies come out about how your soldiers were the real victims of the war, begs to differ
EitherImRightOrYoureWrong
101st kickin ass!
EitherImRightOrYoureWrong
But seriously, some of these pics are Times Magazine strong
DwayneStaub
1st Armored for the win
ElectronicJaun
How about that 10th Mountain though?
Cavalrysword
Saddam went from having the 4th largest Army in the world to having the 2nd largest Army in his country.
apolloin
As Bill Hicks pointed out, though, it REALLY drops off after number three.
actioncheese
But he sure as hell wouldn't have let isis or al qaeda come about.
imnotthedoctor
But he had quantity over quality. Most of his troops were between 16-20 and had shitty training and Soviet-era technology.
mikeatike
And even his elite troops got rolled over pretty hard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting
Torenico
Well sitting still with your old-ass T-72s firing old as fuck ammo will get your ass kicked.
mikeatike
And old/nonexistent optics. Few of the T-72s fired a shot since the Bradleys and M1A1s could see right through the smoke.
HairytheSheep
Well most of then packed up and ran, it wasnt much of a fight against their military
Cavalrysword
They passed their Darwin-level I.Q. test.
cheeseguy3412
Yep, I seem to hearing about their troops simply laying down arms and giving up, else instant death from out of range occurred
imnotthedoctor
The Iraqis saw this efficient and effective manor of fighting and realized they were outgunned, and so only the fanatics fought for Saddaam
SuperRockinMrMagic
Anyone that thought they would stand and fight instead of disappearing and waging guerrilla tactics for years to come is a fool
imnotthedoctor
The reason he had such a large military was because it was an easy way to find work. When America invaded, they noped outta there
Eikre
not that I don't understand what you mean, but lol at "soviet-era technology" as if MiGs and AKs don't still rock balls ass and cock.
imnotthedoctor
(2/2) AK's are famously known for being able to be thrown in mud and able to fire. They are best for times you'll be down and dirty.
imnotthedoctor
Also, a /Soviet/ MiG vs. modern American F series are no match. Russians weapons rep their style; bulky, strong. US is precise yet fragile
SecondSince
Yeah. And the soviets rarely gave out/sold their best material. It was always at least one gen back compared to their own tech.
Nuttsy
Bit a myth, apparently. Lots of 91 Iraqi tech was apparently Polish, who had big problems with quality control early in their T-72 lines.
imnotthedoctor
AK's are wonderful weapons, but if you are freshly deployed", a clean M16 is stable and accurate. You can actually hit what you aim at
H2O52
A good soviet AK is very precise. Not as much as an M16 but the difference is minimal. 1/2
imnotthedoctor
True, but the average Taliban or terrorist has an AK that's been passed around a million times
H2O52
AK are unprecise in movies and in video games but in real like they are pretty good. 2/2
Nuttsy
I think it was less problems with a preference for quantity, as much as 3rd world dictatorship training, and being utterly blindsided.
Nuttsy
Then again, I've read people hypothesizing that they couldn't even have beaten 1944s Wehrmact, so I guess they were just shit, boots-wise.
reddogofchaos
so, who is 1st?
irontom
I think you did not get the joke.
Cavalrysword
(Facepalm)
Thekingofbeans
I think he meant Saddam's army was the 2nd largest country in Iraq.
Cavalrysword
You nay want to rewrite that, I'm pretty sure it came out wrong.
Thekingofbeans
You are correct. 2nd largest army in the country.
DeathDealerJP
The Trojans
guigner
The largest predatory army, of course
madrussian190
North Korea
airborne808
I think there 4th if memory serves me right
airborne808
After Iraq became irrelevant
Drew41692
China
DonaldJTrump
Fatherdoodle
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batukhan
In terms of manpower: China. In terms of expenditure: USA. Which is better? Who knows.
SeregRauko
Stay tuned to find out..
Acera
Her Majesty's Secret Service of course.
hokeyreligions
I prefer Kingsman, The Secret Service
SerialKillerJim
Lets hope we dont find out
americanlivinginjapan
US by far
feeltheice
We've already gotten our answer. US military. Marines and Army proved that at the Chosin Reservoir. 30k vs 120k
actioncheese
That was when, 1950? By that logic Vietnam has the best army.
feeltheice
After doing joint training with a few countries in Asia. Not much has changed for them. They have better radios, but rely on faxes for comm
Rudywasoffside
But Chosin was technically a fighting retreat to Hungnam. Yes, we killed more, but China ran us back across the 38th
feeltheice
Pound for pound they were better, and even though a withdraw to friendly lines they punched way way way above their numbers.
batukhan
Is a US soldier who is paid $3000/mo 10x better than a Chinese soldier who is paid $300/mo?
feeltheice
Pound for pound yes. Armor and Tactics and Mobility, combined with our logistics network... The American Armed Forces are insane. 1/2
DeathStarWasAnInsideJob
Let's shut up about politics and just all agree that war is horrifying, a modern war is even more so.
Iatetoomuchpizza
I agree. Because of the development of nuclear power, especially. Read "Alas Babylon."
wonder89
Reminds me of a old Doonsbury strip. Mock UN session couldn't agree on anything-finally resolved "war is bad"
PersonalityFire
Let's not shut up about politics, and recognize that jingoistic American politics directly lead to this horrific war. And learn from this.
imnotthedoctor
In WWII, a front would move up in a couple weeks, in Vietnam, a few days. In modern warfare, a J-DAM can move the front in seconds.
wonder89
But we no longer fight wars for territory. Well,the year is still young I guess
imnotthedoctor
We do not fight for nations, we fight for important areas. Like in Gaza, the IDF secures an area to clear it of the terrorist's assets.
imnotthedoctor
Modern medicine has made potential casualties lower than if it were, say, WWII. Also, large scale battles are not feasible due to tech
wonder89
I agree and I think the body count would have been incredibly higher without the modern medicine
imnotthedoctor
A hundred years ago, a bullet to the chest was an almost guaranteed death. Now, medics do "First Aid", then medivac to a surgeon. 1/2
imnotthedoctor
A collapsed lung today is like treating a shot in the ass back then. People have even been shot in the head and recovered. Small calibers
kmikl
This war started because of politics, it was prolonged because of politics, and created more problems because of politics. I think we /1
kmikl
/2 should be paying attention to the fucking politics, because had we done so, this horror would never have been perpetrated.
0manuellabor0
We were paying attention at the time, and most of the world said not to go into Iraq. But I agree with you, the two are one.
kmikl
Yeah, I'm just pissed so many died for essentially zero sum. I lost a couple of friends in both afghan and Iraq... such a waste.
0manuellabor0
I'm sorry to hear about your loss, but thankful for the level headed response. I think the world needs more of it. We need to talk.
SpartaWillBurn
Modern war is nothing compared to past wars...
WhoarethesepeopleyouknowIdontknowthesepeople
WWI dude. They used chemical gas and used their rifles as spears.
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gad885
Our understanding about mental disorders has grown exponentially there were legionaries who had ptsd it just wasn't a thing then
Osarphi
Pfff. Soldiers in the middle age already had PTSD.
Attaroo
We haven't had a total war since WWII. And if we ever do again, it probably will be the last one.
Danishlmgurian
I'm the dark ages it was 1v1-ish. In WWI it was sort of the same, x1000. WWII was the era of bombs and vehicles.
Danishlmgurian
A WWIII would most likely never happen simply because one button could destroy the surface of the earth.
0utlander43
North Korea was pretty bad. China's million man army, machine guns, cold, Turks knifing entire battalions in the night. Seesawing all Korea.
SanSilv
Are you fucking kidding me? A single straight fight between an American armored division and Russia armored division would be so incredibly
SanSilv
destructive you can't start to think about it.
DeckhandAdmiral
If those t90's could start. Ayyyy lmao. No I totally agree. It would be devastating.
SpartaWillBurn
When has that happened recently?
VonShnitzel
I think the idea is that modern war has the potential to be a helluva lot worse (even without the nukes).
Glumerlink
i dunno man i'd say modern warfare is a lot more gentle than past wars, people tend to die a bit cleaner deaths than they used to
boomslander
If we're considering modern war beginning at WWII the world had never seen such horror. The ability to kill jumped drastically.
Glumerlink
it did yet the number of deaths decreased from war, efficient deaths are peaceful ones that don't drag on wars for a hundred years
DeathStarWasAnInsideJob
The distance/range afforded by modern weapons just further removed empathy and emotions from the battlefield
neondragon25
It also increases the possibility of instant/near instant kills. And for more precise fire aiding in less civ casualties.
Osarphi
I don't think you can be more precise than a sword though
prupuponcio
You can't really put a sword through someone at 300 meters very precisely either
neondragon25
Your point is a really good point as well. Further removing outsole from the horrors and traumas of combat. One less mental injury.
neondragon25
Ourselves*
TekPriest1975
I would bet most combat vets would disagree on the removal of emotion/empathy. Imagine how scary it is being shot at and not being able to
TekPriest1975
tell where it is coming from?
neondragon25
If you're being shot at and have no relative idea where the shots ate coming from, then you have bigger problems than being shot at.