RainbowGirl2016
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TL;DR
This is the issue I'm facing. What follows is a rundown of all the facts as I understand them.
My Lease
The relevant information from my lease: "Resident is not permitted to attach or hang any item to building in any area adjacent to your apartment by means of screws, nails or fasteners. This includes, but is not limited to, flags, bamboo screens, hanging plants, wind chimes, bicycle hooks, hanging decorations, strings of lights, etc." There is NOTHING in the lease about ANY exceptions to this rule.
Halloween 2016
Here is my unit as it was on Halloween. I had these decorations up for most of the month with zero complaints.
My Unit
After the election I chose to place a single clean rainbow flag on my porch.
12/1/16 - Violation Letter
I received a letter saying I had violated the lease terms prohibiting "Hanging plants, chimes, decorations, lights".
Email to landlords
I emailed my landlords photographs & descriptions of several other units that were (and are) violating the same rule as me.
Highlights of my conversation at the office
This is a summary of this exchange based on my best memory of what occured.
Email sent to landlord
Having been told that the office allows "seasonal decor", I ask for a description of the policy.
Letter from Resident Services
Letter admits to an "exception" for "festive decorations for a limited time-period around the winter holidays", thus admitting that they are enforcing the rules unequally and not in line with the lease.
Response email
My response to the letter, explaining that I had been told it was all holidays, and wanted to get clarification. Winter holidays only? I also called "Dan" and asked for clarification on the policy, and he said he would "get back to" me. (As of 12/4 @9pm he has not, if he does I'll update this)
Temporary Fix
To keep in line with what they have told me in writing is their exception (which I still maintain is an unlawful and unfair application of the lease terms as stated), I use tinsel & safety pins to turn my flag into a "happy holidays" sign.
New Decoration for Porch
I checked my lease multiple times & checked many of my neighbors porches & concluded that well-maintained potted plants are allowed, so I put out a nice new potted aloe plant, complete with rainbow stripes & a pink triangle.
Second email to management
During this time I also collected dozens of photographs of noncompliant units. I am choosing not to post them here because I do not actually care about my neighbor's minor display violations and don't want anyone bothering them. I simply have them to hold as evidence that my neighbors have been allowed lease-violating decor for some time without consequence.
Rainbow lights added
Don't worry, I intend to keep rainbow-ing it up every way I can get away with!
shimmernshine
Your apartment decorations are relentlessly gay.
registeredtoproveimawesome
May i suggest rainbow curtains?
johnnyzcz
This should be good as long as there's nothing in your lease saying windows must display white curtains/blinds (I know mine says that whomp)
troyandabedpostoniiiiimgur
a flag pole wouldnt breach the original rules would it?
RainbowGirl2016
Just bought some! Forgot to get a curtain rod though, so that'll be tomorrow's project.
JadeNB1729
Even better for gay pride than a curtain rod: get Curt and Rod!
johnvictor
A rainbow pot with an assortment of flowers arranged to make a rainbow.
Showmeyourotters
Don't forget a rainbow wreath! Oh, and maybe a rainbow doormat?
niantic
Further suggestion: A Grinch trying to take your flag away. Seasonal AND sends a message!
NeomaGhost
Bonus points if you paste your apartment manager's face onto it.
joeynew
Honestly I kinda understand the apartment people not wanting political decorations... around here it may cause you to be graffitied.
doubleormuffin
One could argue that Christmas decorations are equally political, if less commonly hated.
aetheryn
Discrimination or no, sounds like a sure-fire way to be hated by everyone if you're turning on another neighbor to make your case.
UncivilizedEngie
You don't need permission to take pictures of people or things that are in public. My bet is that one of her neighbors complained.
Da3n
The rule specifies that they type of fastener is crucial to the rule. As written, you can keep the flag if you tie it up w/o screws/hooks.
AllottaFagina
Right? Take some string and just tie a knot around the railing
AllottaFagina
@op
nameisunavailable
Op could use a big ass wood working clamp to hang the flag like a normal pole but not violate their rules.
johnnyzcz
Unfortunately, prettymuch anything you use to attach it would count as a "fastener," though, so it would still violate.
CanadianLadyMoose
what about pinning it under a potted plant on the balcony?
johnnyzcz
I can't imagine someone calling that a fastener; I like it
CanadianLadyMoose
SUCCESS! fear not @op our semantics just might save the day
Khaylain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastener "Rope ... are not generally categorized as fasteners..."
youknowyouwanttoseeit
3 words: Rainbow. Christmas. Tree.
DidoModesto
Blasphemy
ReverseTrapTsukasa
Rainbow of Christmas Trees. Rainbow of Dancing Christmas Trees. Also Elves/Garden Gnomes. dressed in every color.
Sitraka
isn't that a song ?
Bloden
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Oh the management is surely going to *love* that!
FudgeFumblemux
santa in a rainbow rhong. I dare ya
bmw5st
http://www.treetopia.com/colored-artificial-christmas-trees-p/rainbow-christmas-tree.htm?1=1&CartID=0
eggROLLpaTROLL
what is this faggot tree? (is this meme dead?)
RichHammond
after all, a tree is just a bundle of sticks
laugher000
Do it @OP
SuburbanMeerkat
ImgurProvocateur
Warzone12
VoPo
Please be more careful with your personal information. There's kind of a lot left in these images, and it doesn't look intentional.
RainbowGirl2016
Thanks. My full name I know is there, it's on my facebook post & very out of the bag. I did go through and redact unit numbers.
rottenmilkshakesbringzombieboystotheyard
As a person who has gone through someone stalking me on the Internet into real life always be careful of your real name and where you live 1
rottenmilkshakesbringzombieboystotheyard
It's too easy to get information on someone's whereabouts from those pieces of information. Just want you to be safe op. Take care.
youlookedatmyusername
I like you. Good advice.
youlookedatmyusername
I like you. Good advice.
RainbowGirl2016
Okay, as fast as this is racking up views you were right, redacted my surname too.
MatthewJohnsona
Just so you know, you missed a surname on the end of one of those emails.
tempthrowawayfyi
FYI, your last name is still present in the 11th or so image
N00BEAST
If I was your downstairs neighbor, I'd ask nicely to hike the flag up a bit so it doesn't hang off the balcony by a sliver. But I'm neurotic
ChampagneMars
The downstairs and upstairs are both hers I believe.
N00BEAST
Oh, then no harm no foul
traditionalwife
You were able to hang Halloween decor with no problems. It seems the flag being permanent is the issue. I don't think this is discrimination
OfMiceAndMenus
Move it around each month and you should be fine, then. If it's not obviously 'permanent'.
badgerofhonour
Agree, and it seems the likely outcome will be they ban decorations entirely so OP will have proven a point but at a sucky cost to everyone
BronzeLeaguePro
You're not allowed to hang up flags. Either get permission from your landlord, or take down the flag. It's not rocket surgery.
CrashedandBurned
*Sigh. I get why you're doing what you're doing. Younger me cheers for you. Old ass me thinks, it's not worth the headache/trouble. 1/
ryo0hki
Yea old me got downvoted.. Why all the hassle over a flag.. It feels like trolling to me
CrashedandBurned
So cheers to you. But I would recommend you stay out of trouble and just look for new arrangements for the future. Good luck.
mauryfeldman
I agree. Your decor is terrible and cheezy. Your neighbor's is fine.
DarioS
In this case, OP is truly a fag
AIComments
Time to step up your game:
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mknickin
Nice
downofathistle
Put up rainbow Christmas lights. They can't do anything about that.
downofathistle
Woops, commented before opening the remaining images. My bad.
ImgurPremiumAccount
You've got to be kiddin me....
BaRockmanObama
Gotta love the popping vein
EXTREMECOMMENTWARNING
"it's beginning to look a lot like..."
ThatOneTownie
The guy who designed those lights knew exactly what he was doing.
kiwiflavored
It's beginning to look a lot like Dickmas.
gayindianafarmboy
Clever, but wrong type of gay. OP's username is rainbowGIRL
kiwiflavored
That type of gay has entire boxes full of dicks under the bed.
gayindianafarmboy
Good point. I withdrawal my theory
WhiskeyTangoFedora
The need a strand of Christmas Tacos.
Grudgebearingmidget
hey, the ladies use phallic devices too...just not organic ones.
bajarwas
GMO ones ?
utahjarhead
He will RISE to the occasion.
ezzmann
Nice
JadeNB1729
Jingle balls, jingle balls ….
utahjarhead
Oh, he will RISE to the occasion.
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mknickin
Nice
CasualAsshole
What seasonings did you use?
BlackberryCobbler
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme...
BlackberryCobbler
I just made a food of myself at the office, quite a loud involuntary guffaw... YES this would be awesome
mknickin
Nice
Spiralhaze
Soo... were you tasty food? :P
BlackberryCobbler
I was delicious.... I love Irish cuisine... :)
RulesOfImgur
I thought canabalism was crowned pain?
BlackberryCobbler
I am not a food... *facepalm* I made a FOOL of myself I mean...
mknickin
Nice
ChocloMan
MountainRedbeard
Reminds me of "soak it in wood"
SeriouslyAwkward
I'm not calling you a liar but did you say food on purpose? D: Your name is food and you called yourself food
eetsumkaus
made a food of yourself. name checks out
BlackberryCobbler
I never even realised that lol
JadeNB1729
This post is beautiful.
eetsumkaus
YOU'RE beautiful. Wait, I don't think I know how this is supposed to work.
iusedtosleepnowiimgur
There isn't any persecution here. Op broke the rules and is being a crybaby. Your freedom of speech is not bring infringed upon
judgemasterven
They didn't break the rules. Pay attention
accipiter
OP did break the rules, but the point is everyone else is breaking the rules too, but only OP is being told to take their flag down.
Jezebella
Your rainbow flag somehow destroys other people's living experience but that many lights at night is cool? Nah. That's discrimination.
SageSparrow
How about a jolly rogers flag? A big American flag? It's not a discrimination issue, they don't want permanent fixtures.
Jezebella
If there are allowing other (I'll say it) super obnoxious displays to be left up and only upholding their policy on this one then yes it is.
Jezebella
*They're (I am so ashamed)
crookedrook
Does it matter at all, that op violated rules of the lease she signed?
BigBadBillyBoy
If the rule is determined to be discriminatory against a protected class, it's not valid. I don't think op will win this one, though.
BigBadBillyBoy
Discrimination is perfectly legal as long at it is t against a protected class: religion, sex, marital status, race, age... sexual 1/2
BigBadBillyBoy
orientation might not be on that list. I can't remember if it is or not. 2/2
Jezebella
Depends on the state. She's in California. We're blue all the way and discrimination is not okay like it is in around 28 states.
nyaore
Depends on the city and or state.
raminagrobis
To be fair OP tries to pass management off as homophobic, but their position is quite clear. Seasonal decorations are ok, not circumstantial
RedroverRedrover
It didn't say that in the lease. They made that up when OP complained. Fact is, all of these are against the lease, they targeted OP for /1
RedroverRedrover
her decorations but no one else, and then when she complained they created a rule out of thin air to let the others keep theirs. It's /2
RedroverRedrover
still not in the lease and no one was informed of a lease change. /3
SageSparrow
Yeah, be an adult about it.
aclarko
More than likely it is another tenant pressuring management to act this way.
JustTheMostLiberal
I'd move.
DrKriegersClone
Driving the gay tenant out of their home is exactly what management (& likely whoever complained) wants. Moving = they win.
JustTheMostLiberal
They win what? There is no specific anti-gay clause mentioned here. Simply that the lease allows for seasonal decorum.
DrKriegersClone
Right, because homophobes are gonna put it in writing. The lease actually made no exception for season decor; the landlord just made that 1/
Crazyguy34
exactly. they dont force you to live there, If you dont like their (somewhat vauge) rules then move somewhere else, they dont have to change
DrinkySmurf
ah you're pro discrimination. Nice to be able to know. Don't like being hassled for being yourself? MOVE!!!!
Crazyguy34
if "Being myself" is going to violate a rule that, although not originally stated, is now a rule, then i guess I would have to.
Kamasu0Tra
There's a world of difference between "vague rules" and Management changing their minds to discriminate.
catherinecc
But dishonest bigoted fucks will never admit it, hiding their animus behind "durr, the rules, you must follow them"
Polarbit
They don't have to change, but they are limited by laws on tenant rights provided by law, and by the terms of lease.
Crazyguy34
While true, would they not be able to change the agreement come time to renew to reflect these changes? and im sure those laws would (1/2)
Crazyguy34
Protect them from having the lease broken on grounds of being / supporting the gay community. and while its a gay flag, it's still a flag
Polarbit
Key there is "come time to renew", not "as convenient".
LockeLongmast
Their position is to change policy when confronted with something they 'forgot.' Put things in the lease if you intend to enforce them.
crookedrook
How so? Section(i) says no flags. She signed the lease. Managment said nothing about her rainbow lights. Unbelievable.
Kamasu0Tra
It also says no lights, or other decorations, and yet others are allowed those. Did you even look at the post?
Jezebella
If the rules don't apply to everyone then it is discriminatory.
Xkalnar
Honestly makes sense from what I'm seeing... Officially hanging decorations aren't allowed but they allow exceptions for holidays.
OfMiceAndMenus
Just tell them every day is rainbow appreciation day and be done with it.
delpharseven
There is no mention of the exception in the lease and they have yet to produce the document defining those exceptions.
TheThoroughbredOfSin
They don't have to mention exceptions in the lease. And they produced a series of written communications outlining the policy.
AzraelArtz
If it's not listed as an exception, it can be fought against. Since there is nothing in the lease that says 'temporary seasonal holiday 1/2
AzraelArtz
Decorations are exception" she technically can fight against it. Both are in violation to the written lease.
AllottaFagina
Right? It needs to be in the lease
Xkalnar
I mean if they'd only allow an American flag on the 4th of July I'm not sure why they'd allow any other random flags...
2bachata
The lease is the contract she's bound to. The lease says nothing against flags any time of year so her flag is ok.
HerschelKrane
It clearly says no flag in their TA
tanebou
This is a fair point, but it's not formally stated in the leasing agreement. Which is what she asked for.
Jokerforlife
Right Christmas lights are seasonal but your flag is not. You are not completely right here. Not about hatred or prejudice though.
Zombraina
But it doesn't say in her lease that seasonal lights are permitted. It looks like they just pulled that rule out of their ass.Did I misread?
therealtimshady17
A majority of apartment complexes have the same rule. Your analysis is correct. It sucks for her, but it isn't persecution in the least.
thehungriestandy
I'm gonna get shouted at for this, but you are kind of directly in violation of some clearly stated rules so idk why you're upset
judgemasterven
They aren't, though.
thehungriestandy
judgemasterven
Except they aren't violating the rules. The only thing close is (i), which specifies HOW things can be hung up. Not what.
thehungriestandy
1. Nothing allowed on the balcony 2. Only seasonal festive decorations allowed. She's violating both. This says nothing about how it's hung.
judgemasterven
Reread it. (i) is incredibly clear.
karmaslap
All this fuss over another flag nobody would care, gay pride flag and Imgur loses their minds. I bet OP is popular with their neighbors.
GandolphLundgren
Really? I'd be pretty annoyed if everyone was allowed to break the rules except me.
thehungriestandy
Rule I'm talking about is seasonal decoration. Neighbors are clearly within the rules; she was not until the tinsel modification.
RenamedUser
She was also allowed to break the rules for Halloween, so she wasn't singled out - only the non-seasonal decor was.
LOLOLOOLOL
Its great to know how many armchair lawyers are on Imgur.
NationalistCanadianMooseWarrior
This is the internet, almost everyone's an armchair lawyer or keyboard warrior.
YesmynameisGreg
As a real lawyer, I would like one of these armchairs, please. Also, @OP, I'm a CA lawyer. PM me if you end up needing real help.
JadeNB1729
That armchair is clearly in violation of Statute 37364-A18.
NekoMiko06
Except that the relevant paragraph of subsection A was struck down as unconstitutional in Allen vs The Armchair Alliance of America for 1/2
NekoMiko06
Infringing on religious freedoms 2/2
JadeNB1729
A joke about the constitutionality of armchair laws, and you don't say anything about the right to bare arms? I am disappoint.
NekoMiko06
Dunno about bare arms, but we have a right to chaired arms. http://www.urban75.org/photos/england/images/chichester-39.jpg
crookedrook
Section(f): No Flags. Do I think its ridiculous? Yes. But it was in the contract.
judgemasterven
... section f is about using asbestos contractors.
crookedrook
Correct my mistake. Section (i). Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
judgemasterven
Section (i) stipulates they cannot hang them by means of screws, nails, and fasteners. If they use safety pins or adhesive, they're fine.
crookedrook
States no flags.
crookedrook
Op signed a contract. I assume op read the contract. Contract clearly states nothing can be hung from outside of apartment. 1/2
crookedrook
Hang the flag in your window. This is simply op trying to make an issue out of a clearly stated rule that she doesn't like.
judgemasterven
not damage the property in any way, and does not violate the rules.
judgemasterven
Outside of the apartment "by screws, nails, and fasteners." It is designed to protect from damage. Safety pinning the flag to itself does 1/
gayindianafarmboy
I get it, but don't be a dick and ruin Christmas decorations for everyone else. That's the quickest way to have everyone hate you..
coloradostoneman
Management has 2 legal options Enforce for all (no christmas decorations) or enforce for none (flag is okay) OP can't control which.
reediculous84
Slow clap*
aetheryn
I agree wholeheartedly.
angrywar
hopefully they update when decorations get banned for everyone and someone takes a bat to their stuff.
iusedtosleepnowiimgur
Op is being sensitive about this for no reason other than to claim persecution
judgemasterven
Claiming persecution when you are actually being persecuted is fine, dude.
iusedtosleepnowiimgur
Fine, I hope her neighbors fly their rebel flags next door or is that not ok? What are the rules on hypocrisy?
judgemasterven
Why would that be a problem? o_o
DouglasRamsey
ur transparency of anti-LGBT is loud and clear fucktard. shes facing actual discrimination, and rules not applying equally. u that slow?
judgemasterven
Claiming persecution when you are actually being persecuted is fine, dude.
CriticalDog
That would be because OP is legit being persecuted, being singled out for enforcement on JUST their flag. For reasons.
iusedtosleepnowiimgur
It isn't her building. She signed a lease that has provisions in it specifically for this. She should've read her lease. She is in the wrong
CriticalDog
She may be in the wrong, yes, but if the rule are the rules, they are there for everyone. Not just her.
CriticalDog
She may be in the wrong, yes, but if the rule are the rules, they are there for everyone. Not just her.
LordNoodles
Landlord here, we don't allow flags cuz they bleed onto the building
Thrashtodeth88
That is your right as the property owner !! That is america not this fascist SJW bs
KeeleonOhms
Unfortunately her landlords should have responded with that. Their response thus far shows discrimination :/
SmithJoe
@LordNoodles, I think the point is less "I can't fly my flag" and more "I can't but others can, and only because mgmt doesn't like it".
LordNoodles
I think it's a little bit of both, Management said they couldn't fly American flags unless it was certain days too. Just decorate rainbow
Counterfit
That shouldn't be an issue with nylon flags, which OP's appears to be
LordNoodles
Probably, but it's that no flags are allowed for mine, even nylons. Idk about their lease
TamponShotgun
And Christmas lights are a fire hazard. What's your point?
reediculous84
As I don't have a personal problem with the flag, flags are obnoxious, doesn't matter the content. Landlord should be able to have control
VoltisArt
A thousand lights is much more obnoxious than one flag.
Polarbit
They have control of the contents of the lease. But once signed, it's a two way agreement.
LordNoodles
You just make comprehensive leases. Mines a few pages longer than normal but spells everything out.
GreenYawgmoth
I have it on good authority that "these colors don't run". /murrca
LordNoodles
Yeah they just bleed
LordNoodles
I wrote bleed you stupid twatbadger of a phone
whoeveryoulike
the term "run" is also applicable when referencing the displacement of clothing dye. bruh.
LordNoodles
Thanks captain
Dominator497
I don't know what happened here. But it definitely made me smile.
JacenSolo
Indeed :D
LordNoodles
I don't know what happens sometimes, it autocorrects stuff when I click "send" and it wrote "bored"'instead of "bleed" but now shows "bleed"
hismotherwasamudder
Tons of rentals have policy about hanging flags off balconies & in windows. Owners feel it looks trashy. It's not discrimination, he would
OfMiceAndMenus
If you don't apply the policy equally to all tenants, it's obvious discrimination. Sucks that these homophobic managers hold the keys.
zeniarose
My landlords think that any balcony decor is trashy... but this year they have a balcony decorating contest. *facepalm*
reediculous84
Because it does look trashy IMPO ;)
hismotherwasamudder
Have been told to remove a USA/state flag as well. Unless it's up for a holiday. If it were pride week, there wouldn't have been a problem
asspimple
My thoughts as well
asspimple
My thoughts as well
LockeLongmast
If the OP hadn't found other clear violations of those rules, that argument would fly. They can't single out that flag alone.
Snoron
But they showed other examples not acted upon. Singling out their decoration could be used as evidence of discrimination.
Naiirita
the other examples were all seasonal were they not?
WhatTheHellAreYouTryingToTellMe
That could simply mean no one reported the flag. Could be one crotchety anti gay in the apartment, but that's not the rental's fault.
twichy07
This is civil disobedience done right OP.
crookedrook
What? Your very confused.
PeanutPrince
Their very confused what?
crookedrook
About this being civil disobedience.
waytoocreamy
Civil disobedience would be to the government, this is just annoying land lords
dcostanza1
Ensuring your freedom of expression is not infringed counts as civil disobedience under most definitions.
VeganFeministFlatEarther
a clause like this in a lease. The issue here is that it's being selectively enforced by homophobes. 2/2
dcostanza1
Agreed. In my head I'd file discrimination about expression under the same category but good point that they're legally separate.
MrBananaBeak
That's the thing. Freedom of expression protects you from the government, not your landlord.
VeganFeministFlatEarther
This isn't a freedom of expression issue. It's a lease violation issue. OP ***IS*** in violation of the lease. It ***IS*** legal to have 1/2
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VeganFeministFlatEarther
Read the second half of my reply.
AzraelArtz
We'll while fine she is in violation...so is her neighbours. Yet they are trying to justify it. So it is discrimination in some degree
VeganFeministFlatEarther
Yes it is. But this has fuck all to do with freedom of expression. Don't turn it into something it's not
PascalsBookie
they may have modified the contract by waiving their right to enforce certain violations. depends on your state law and their actions.
JeraldJohnson
He would have to have such change in writing.
JeraldJohnson
He would have to have such change in writing.
PascalsBookie
depends on the state. in many states, leases can be made orally. you can't increase the formal burdens (require a writing) from the law.
JeraldJohnson
Fair point. However, most non-slum lords put the provision in the lease themself as it benifits them to do so. Slum lords don't, because it
JeraldJohnson
benifits them to not do so.
PascalsBookie
everybody puts what benefits them in the contracts they write. doesn't mean the provision is enforceable, or not subsequently changed. (1/2)
evilspock
While I sympathize; you signed a lease. "But others break the rules" is no excuse. This is a poor choice of battlefield.
Spoffles
Nah fam
Raenon
Actually, selective enforcement IS a defense. If they don't routinely enforce contract violations, they are null.
GerhardRammelhausen
At this point I guess Op is ok to be punished, as long as everyone else is also getting punished.
bouc
guess whose tires getting slashed
judgemasterven
No one's, because that wood be illegal.
KeeleonOhms
Selective enforcement is the definition of discrimination. Either the rules matter or they dont.
IceMan2020
I was the VP of our HOA, ran into a situation where our lawyer told us we had no case because the rule was previously and knowingly broken
flamingflamingo
Not at all. Of course do as your told, but also hold management accountable for not enforcing the same rules for everyone.
governmentgavemeagun
@OP signed a lease that should be enforced equally or not at all.
ImJustASalad
I think hardline was the poorest choice.
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
And he isn't violating the terms of the lease, unless he attached the flag using "screws, nails or fasteners"
JessieJanson
Not taking sides, But some places want clean/normal house/select paint colors etc, having any brightly colored item could violate that. 1/2
JessieJanson
virtually all of those places though allow for holiday exceptions for specific popular holidays. I dont see you "winning" this in any way2/3
LiterallyWorseThanHitler
Then they should have put that in the lease. They didn't do that, only specifying a ban on decorations based on the type of fastener.
JessieJanson
Yeah, but they could have meant "any way of attaching it". So long as the ban is enforced equally on all, the courts give them a wide berth.
JessieJanson
The end will be when the policy is updated with more specific words and you are still forced to comply. This may have nothing to do with 3/4
JessieJanson
The end will be when the policy is updated with more specific words and you are still forced to comply. This may have nothing to do with 3/4
judgemasterven
They cannot update the policy and force her to comply. She signed a contract. Until it is time to renew the lease, she is under those terms.
JessieJanson
Im a realtor, and can tell you for a fact that an HOA can and often do change/update the rules. They usually have to get approval by 1/2
JessieJanson
those that lives there/whoever is on the membership board(which may not include the homeowners/renters), Regardless renters are virtually2/3
JessieJanson
the LGBT flag and the fact that its brightly colored and non standard house decor. Try putting up another non LGBT bright flag instead 4/5
JessieJanson
to see if they act the same. Also causing a problem thats not important may make things worse for you/a target. Not sure its worth it5/5 @OP
Alomain
I think the issue is important to her. Wouldn't have gone to all the trouble if she didn't care about it.
Smartzombie
Your complex managers are a bunch of dicks.
apcamanda
A bundle in fact
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
celebrate the holidays? i.e. if this was about a sports fan flag or misc decor or something would anyone give a shit? 2/2
DogTaxEvader
you are missing an obvious point: was it a sport flag, it would not have been objected, in the slightest. It was objected because it's gay.
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
That remains to be seen... why make blind speculations
DogTaxEvader
Really? wow.
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
Excellent counter-argument
BMONEYCASHFLO
SuperJere
I thought being a colossal dick was a prerequisite to becoming an apartment manager anywhere... no?
ImPunningWithImPunity
They all must have complexes or something
tranquilomeng
SuperJere
I thought being a colossal dick was a prerequisite to becoming an apartment manager anywhere... no?
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
Okay I'll go ahead and be "that guy"... it's their complex and maybe they don't want it to appear tacky, but want to allow people to 1/2
SuperJere
I thought being a colossal dick was a prerequisite to becoming an apartment manager anywhere... no?
SageSparrow
They don't want permanent fixtures only seasonal decorations. Simple, any flag regardless of symbology. Unless it's for pride week.
SuperJere
I thought being a colossal dick was a prerequisite to becoming an apartment manager anywhere... no?
dassala
I would assume "Christian" neighbors are behind this.
FukcTedCruz
I think they are fags
gilliamv
That was gayyyyy
mineovermatter
This. Probably Harley fags, just not gay harley fags
InvoluntarilyCelibate
@op
bouc
lol, and I my comment gets removed when I said that OP was one
Thunderchief1
It could also be the neighbours who are complaining like they're dicks...
crookedrook
Why because they ask that she abide by the rules ofvthe lease that she signed?
rossimus
The evidence overwhelmingly suggests that she is being held to a different standard because of the aversion to the meaning of the flag.
crookedrook
I don't think you read past the first couple of sentences. Contract states no flags. Op hangs flag. Op tries to compare flag to holiday 1/2
crookedrook
Decorations. Op states managment approves holiday decorations for approved holidays. Op hangs rainbow lights during holiday and is not 2/3
crookedrook
Hasseled. Op hangs flag during unapproved times in violation of rules, op is hasseled. Flag has no holiday signifigance.
reflectedsoundofundergroundspirits
Wrong. OP is being antagonistic and immature. If you want to piss people off, just be a fuckwit and irritate all your neighbors like OP.
Xkalnar
A lot of complex managers kinda need to be dicks because a small percentage of people really fuck it up for the rest.
Custarg
Those rainbow flags though. Really a detriment to society right there.
GapingAnalCavity
You gotta take a stand. Today it's fruity flags, tomorrow pandemonium and frogs raining from the sky.
n0n53n53
What's next, bestiality flags? Cause if you can marry a dude you can probably marry a dog, or something
kernelzklukz
99.9% of complex managers are dicks.
tangopianista
Can confirm.
rollipukki
True. To be honest though its because 99.9% of people in complexes are dicks that sap all joy from living.
CanadaEhBuddy
Mine is great! Text monthly to insure there are no issues with my apartment
isthatonfireyet
Also property managment, all happiness and faith has been drained out of me from my residents
LordNoodles
Anyone ever leave behind anything awful?
isthatonfireyet
I've had a lot of real gross apartments, but the most interesting was a meth lab
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guactopus
I am a property manager. Can confirm am a dick.
LordNoodles
What's the worst shit you've found left behind?
n0n53n53
99% of renters are dicks too tho
JuliusSeizure7
99.9% of dicks are complex managers.
Kcinlive
Hey if my dick is a complex manager it needs to start paying "rent".
n0n53n53
99.9% of dick managers are complex
trolololono
No, not even close. 99.99% of dicks are retail customers though.
WhyDoPeopleLoveToHateSuperman
Hey! I am not a complex manager!
LikeTotallyNotTheNSA
Guilt Complex... manager? Kidding. Thank for not being a dick?
Denamic
You're the 0.1%
WhyDoPeopleLoveToHateSuperman
Yay!
BooBitchesIAmAGhost
I'm a "complex manager" (property manager in the UK). It's difficult to keep everyone happy but the lease is binding. No exceptions.
JadeNB1729
It sure seems that the point of this post is that there *are* exceptions. @OP is complaining not about rules but about uneven enforcement.
BooBitchesIAmAGhost
I am fully against these complex managers. Clear abuse of power.
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Maraak
If they follow the lease correctly and equally it's fine. Shit like what's above however should be met with bamboo sprouts under the nails.
LordNoodles
Can't have those. Says so in the lease.
Redenbacher09
He doesn't force you to live in his complex.
JadeNB1729
You know who *else* didn't force people to live in his complex?
WoodNinja
It states with nails, screws, or fasteners. Just tie it by the ends.
mycatToastwasafatasshole
Yeah, just use those wall hangers that you can pull the tab to release when you're through.
EvilBrainAngelHeart
That was my thought too, check this out @OP
panda0100
this is what i was thinking, the language is clearly banning hanging decorations so as to not damage property.
Rin007
Yup. There's not even anything to dispute over as there is no comma before they state the nails, etc. meaning it only refers to that.
robsprofileonimgur
@OP this right here^ they are just inforcing that line as to prevent damage to the property.
xxPaulCPxx
Spring clamps are your friend. They are like nipple clamps, but for wood and stuff.
woodjoiner
Additional option is to get new window curtains that hang inside your rental but visible from the outside.
RandyReady
That is how I read it as well. I would argue that as long as you don't use any of those you're in compliance.
RandyReady
Also, they must have used some sort of nails or screws to hang those lights....
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RandyReady
Did you just assume 'he' is a he? Maybe it identifies as an attack helicopter.
pyronyzen
or mount it so that it hangs off something that is placed on your balcony and does not touch the balcony railings or wherever they prohibit
RedroverRedrover
This is a good idea. Cheap bookcase or something with the flag attached.
crookedrook
Clearly state no flags. Not sure what about that is so hard to understand.
Eera
Same line also states "string of lights" and "hanging decorations" which are clearly being ignored, op and neighbours are in the wrong tho.
DammitKrillin
It states that you cannot use nails, screws, or fasteners to put them up. The items themselves are not banned. The damaging methods are.
Caldaque
Safety pins OP. Just hang it and pin it to itself through the gaps in the balcony rail. They can't say you are attaching it to the apartment
DentAurthurDent
It doesn't say anything about epoxy.
1metalnation
"fastener" epoxy counts
Nepeta33
they could use those sticky wall hangers. no damage to the wall, and not banned by what is stated.
johnnyzcz
Those would count as "fasteners," so they'd still be banned. Using the flag itself eliminates any extra "fastener," so is probably the best
Nepeta33
eeehm, i suppose that is probably what would be said.
DrKriegersClone
Ties are technically fasteners. There's no real argument this is in compliance; the point is nobody else is either, and management lets them
gjm147
Fasteners aren't ties. Fasteners have a definite technical meaning in this context.
RedroverRedrover
They meant tie it by its own ends. No additional fasteners, just the flag itself.
Khaylain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastener "Items like a rope ... are not generally categorized as fasteners"
tennisballgenocide
tying it would be considered fastening. However, a flag-stand (or patio umbrella stand) is perfectly within these guidelines.
Khaylain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fastener "Items like a rope ... are not generally categorized as fasteners"
tennisballgenocide
Based on Websters definitions of fasten and that contracts are in writers favor, attaching it with anything will likely be a loosing battle.
kyun4k
but in the same part it says it includes flags, since this is a flag it is already a banned item or am i reading it wrong?
DammitKrillin
It states that you cannot use nails, screws, or fasteners to put them up. The items themselves are not banned. The damaging methods are.
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
Through your selective cropping, we can all see your full name, city, apartment building, and number. Take care and properly crop them.
Boredoom
@op Maybe check popehat.com . It's managed by an attorney that specializes in 1st amendment issues, and sometimes summons local help to 1/2
Boredoom
... assist people in the form of like-minded attorneys, many time pro-bono, specially when it'd be costly to sue. They might be interested.
Meowtinez
Some of y'all look to hard at things.
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
Sorry for my reading comprehension.
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Meowtinez
Username in full effect, I like
HaikuForYourSprog
This kind of thing should be told in a private message.
65432N1
Time to send a glitter bomb to her place.
ogatashi89
You're username doesn't disappoint.
Spoffles
*your
Sockers
I hope the last name checks out...
Tramputee
I'm pretty sure the apartment number doesn't need to be redacted. I think I'd find yours pretty quickly.
Opportunist
Why, what could possibly give it away?
JefftheIntern
It's by far the most fabulous.
ICarpeYourDiems
It's the only one without Xmas decorations
Opportunist
*gasp!* Oh my word you're right!
Iamameancommenter
Apexeon
Take care 'and' properly stop being triggered.
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
Found the doucher.
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Apexeon
Doucher doesn't sound sfw; but thank you for sharing a link I won't click on :)
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
It's a gif ya dip.
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ByThePowerofCommonSense
Lets people more easily harass and threaten you if they know where you live, your name and all that
VaguelySatisfying
Plenty of people share things here that theyd prefer not be publicly associated with them. Relationship issues, fetishes, mental health, etc
breakfastburner
Username doesn't check out.
jscott294
A comment isn't a reply.
breakfastburner
There's replies to his comment.
ogatashi89
+1 because I love Workaholics
aylienkitty88
Maybe t of LGBTQ?
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
I didn't have room for a comment and a gif. My apologies.
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MyNameIsRelevantBecauseYoursWas
Hehe. Hi.. ... .... I'll let myself out....
breakfastburner
RainbowGirl2016
But thank you for noting that my apartment number was visible, I thought I'd redacted all of those. They've now all been covered.
MindlessChaos
Disappointed in you OP. You are reinforcing the stereotype of LGBT being overly sensitive. Your aggressive and bigoted responses to Mgt (1)
MindlessChaos
were petty and you were the one being prejudice... Thankfully not all LGBT are like you, and some actually use reason > emotion... (2)
MindlessChaos
Which is respectable, unlike your immature behavior here... hopefully you get it at some point.
Azzieazrael
So that's a "No" to the surprise Imgur party then?
GreaterDog
Your full name's still up in #10 on the signature of the email
GreenlandDoesNotExist
Your last name can also be seen in one of the emails you sent, given that you blocked it out before, i doubt you want it
OuiOuiMonAmiJeMappelleLafayette
Whoa. Username checks out
ohnoofcourseyourright
In Texas u can hang pretty much anything in ur balcony.
FindusSomKatten
in texas does it really matter if it's allowed? who'd dare try to take down someone elses flag in texas
TicoGuy
Somebody is probably going to be getting free pizza soon :P
YamaLama
I would also like to point out that your full name is visible in the response email toward the end.
mountainofpuppies
H.H your name is still up there
moonXbeam
OP is fucking awesome.
saltandsunshine
Hah gayyy
Beezlebubble
Your name is in the signature of one of your emails #10.
theberd
To be honest you've given enough images to no longer need an apt. number.
FlyingGhostAvocado
Seriously, how hard could it be to find the apartment with the rainbow flag?
theberd
I'm not even talking about the rainbow flag. There's plenty of surroundings.
aj3c
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
There are bad peoples on the interwebs. Just want you to be safe. People on this site stupidly froth at the mouth over "SJW types."
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TehWolfs
Can't speak for everyone but I think we hate people playing the victim. This isn't fucking playing around tho.
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
I've seen people labeled an SJW and attacked for it on this site for a hell of a lot less than LGBTQ equality issues.
TheEightfoldPath
How is this any "SJW types" though ? I loathe snowflakes but never once did I think OP is a sjw because it was a well mannered response.
Tak231
Because to many, anybody who argues anything pro-gay is OBVIOUSLY an SJW. Otherwise you'd just go along with whatever causes less problems.
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
Exactly. I have the thing tattooed on my arm so I don't agree its SJW. This site would call LGBTQ equality SJW though.
RedDwarfIV
This is a case of legitimate grievance where OP has tangibly been discriminated against. There is nothing "SJW" about this.
spiffylookingnerfherder
I think his/her point is that folks stupid enough to go harass someone probably can't tell SJWness from 'just being a person'.
RedDwarfIV
I can imagine there are people like that, and I don't like them either. "SJW" should not be used so broadly as to have no meaning.
WorkaholicGifsForEveryReply
I've seen people labeled an SJW and attacked for it on this site for a hell of a lot less than LGBTQ equality issues.
RedDwarfIV
Which is pretty stupid. Some people would call me an SJW for being a classical liberal. I know they've done it to others.
NotInClass
I have yet to see a workaholics gif in this sting of replies and feel as if I've been robbed of Adam Blake and ders... and maybe Kyle
RainbowGirl2016
I know my full name & city is there, it's been shared more than a hundred times on facebook, so I figure that's out of the bag.
rottenmilkshakesbringzombieboystotheyard
I'm also in San Jose, small world. Keep fighting the good fight!
giraffestalker
I know where those apartments are!! Another fellow San Jose imgur user! How exciting! :D
tehzpoon
I got two images in and said to myself "Put a snowflake on the flag." Not disappointed with Happy Holidays. +1, @OP
iwanttobebobdylan
I'm proud of you, HH. Fuck them and their dumbass arbitrary rules.
SuckAnElf
Do you have a link to the fb post? I would share that!
DoctorWhatsMyNameAgain
Facebook search Holly Horner San Jose and it's all there.
Cptmike
were coming for you
BitchButcher
So you already prepared your inbox? He! Hehe ... hehehe
PolarHailStorm
Hahaha, mate, I got to the end and that rainbow light wall is fucking top! Talk about bants. Keep it going, maybe get some of the lads in?
SkittlesandTwigs
Ummm what?
Humaniak123
Lol spot the aussie
PolarHailStorm
I'm English.
RalphonsoTG
gg
unclebensgin
How the fuck did you type in an accent?!
asspimple
Right lol
ElbowDeepInTheElbowDeepBandwagon
I was wondering the same thing! Ha!
JohnnySupYo
It's what I want to know.-.
Juantapman
Sounds like a kiwi
PolarHailStorm
I'm English.
tehzpoon
Regional diction and colloquialisms not local to regions without that accent.
Muttons1337
Aye, that it is mate. I'm American!
StonerCatJay
Have you never seen Scottish Twitter?
SkittlesandTwigs
Scottish twitter is my most favourite thing.
unclebensgin
Yes but now I have someone to answer my question
Darkspire
'course we 'ave ye fuckin' weapon