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“Takin it to the streets”
Dec 10, 2019 7:51 PM
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JohnnyDS60
I do a lot of contract work for a church and they always pay on time.
wambu
Some of the shittiest people and some of the nicest people run churches, just like every other organization.
JHord1985
I saw where that was from and immediately had to double check it WASN'T the church I went to as a kid, where I was molested. Similar name.
Vyrro
Schools and churches seemingly always reneg or refuse total payment
sayosen
I deal with about 15 churches on a regular basis - only had one 1 late payment. The rest pay without issue.
idontlikebigreesescupguy
OdinYggd
I don't mind doing freebies for a church. But that church also has to be legitimate, as in properly doing god's work and helping people.
OdinYggd
And I expect to attend their events before during and after doing that work to confirm for myself that they really are living up to it.
dakotaranch
I did some work for World Vision. Some of the most inconsiderate assh0les in my 32 years in the service industry.
HateFarmer
Used to be in the advertising biz, best advice I ever got: Politicians and Churches pay before service.
drowninginthesouth
The friends & family rate - charge double, demand payment up front.
doyouevenrobot
Toss lawyers and real estate agents on that list too.
BadAsprin
In 15 years of being a contractor in Oregon the only developer not to pay me was a christian fellow. Asshole
TheCheshireKhajiit
Don’t do work for churches. Got it!
shotty814
Preachers and security guards are the thieves I have to watch out for the most in my job.
Yupurineutah
Sounds like an interesting double jeopardy. What is it you do if I may ask?
jellybeandaddyjl
I'd take them to court. Fuck those people, you think they would see the value in work considering Jesus was a carpenter. Pretty sure his
jellybeandaddyjl
Work wasn't free either rofl.
AbrasiveSasquatch
Can you take a church to civil court for breach of contract?
SteveNotSteve
Yes, but people will say you’re an asshole for suing a church. So a lot of contractors don’t bother.
doyouevenrobot
Yep.
Uglytattoos
And they may lose their status as tax exempt....https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spa.com/news/nc-church-sign-trying-2-impeach-jesus-too/amp/
only90skidswillgetthis
I may get into the NBA. Unlikely, though
only90skidswillgetthis
Not sure why the downvotes, there isn't a chance in hell this changes in foreseeable future
Yupurineutah
Link no worky.
Uglytattoos
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wspa.com/news/nc-church-sign-trying-2-impeach-jesus-too/amp/
DarkSock
Don’t trust Pastor Tommy; Pastor Tommy is AssHoe!!!
Rule62
In my community a Southern Baptist church contracted with a guy to replace the church's roof. A huge roof, with lot's of complicated angles.
Rule62
Job gets done, church refuses to pay, say's it's a "donation". Small claims court did nothing, so the guys crew show up next day and
Rule62
starts peeling off the roof. Cops got called, news reporters were mysteriously already on hand, shit hits the fan. Church pays bill.
whitebbwolf
Fuck you. Pay me!!!
shadow351
So people will pull this crap at the expense of the Amish/mennonites because they know they won't take them to court.
thedevil
The Amish are their own form of terrible. Seriously some shady fuckers and more ruthless businessmen than some Italian mobs. Fuck the Amish
Hotord
Stories Please!!!!!!!
ProcrastinatingWork
If you're doing business with a religious son of a bitch, get it in writing;
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Even then, they be wanting free changes/adds.
ProcrastinatingWork
his word isn't worth shit, not with the good Lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal. - Uncle Bill
fearandloathinginaz
Don't trust anyone that thinks God talks to them.
ImgurMakesMeCrySometimes
I’m amazed at some of the comments saying they never got paid by churches. That’s crazy! Not surprised either.
Evercrimson
Religious right knows that people are reluctant to take them to court. See also: lack of lawsuits against logo IP theft for religious use
eggmuffin
You're amazed, and think it's crazy. But you're not surprised. ?
Mandarinduckmama
It was a roller coaster of a ride!
PCskele
Has anyone ever heard of the mormons pulling this? Shouldn't happen. LDS church makes a point of paying ahead, or having money ready ahead
CPatricoo
LDS hires LDS. If you were LDS you would know if they paid.
BC2k2
Used to be Mormon with a step-dad who was a general contractor. Can confirm.
ParanoydAndroid
LDS often hires LDS contractors. They keep business insular where possible. Common complaint in SLC about them.
BC2k2
Used to be Mormon with a step-dad who was a general contractor. Can confirm.
supmyimportedpeople
Christian here. I’m sorry to anyone and everyone who has been short-changed by people who claim to be Christian.
Yupurineutah
Thanks for the sentiment but I will still never trust anyone declaring their piety as far as I can spit.
steenerbeener
I second this. I'm actually super shocked... my fairly conservative new England church would NEVER not pay a contractor.
Yupurineutah
It really is true what you say. There are storefront churches and then there is old money established institutions that will still be around
jursamaj
Ah yes, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy…
xanius
I'd argue that it doesn't count since the #1 rule is show love and kindness. Screwing people that did work for you isn't following it >>
xanius
It's like me saying I'm a golfer despite never setting foot on a golf course. I can't claim to be something if I don't meet criteria #1.
xanius
A Scotsman isn't a Scotsman if he's not Scottish. A Christian isn't a Christian if there's no Christ in their actions towards the world.
jursamaj
I'd say the #1 rule is "obey god, and his appointed representatives".
xanius
The great commandment says nothing of obey. It says love the lord your god and the second is love you neighbor. So criteria #1 is love
jursamaj
"Mark" came much later than the OT. His criteria would be around #700, no matter how he aggrandized his own writing.
downsouthfarm
Once got crashed into by a pastor. He refused to pay for my car claiming he had no income and tried to make me feel bad he was injured.
owlest
what happened after?
linearcore
Was this in the US? If so, don't most states require you be insured to drive?
downsouthfarm
Not the US. Only personal injury is compulsory here.
WhistlePig
Excellent point
linearcore
After a bit of searching, all 50 states require some proof of financial liability or insurance. The pastor may have committed a crime.
linearcore
And I'll post a source: https://traffic.findlaw.com/traffic-tickets/driving-without-valid-sufficient-insurance.html
neumatteo
Pastor Tommy Steals
chunkcheezy
There it is
MyFavoritesIsAllComics
WARHAMMER405
Pastor Tommy needs a appointment with a Louisville Slugger until he agrees to pay.
doodlebut88
ooooh shit
Squelchtone
WhoReadsPeoplesUsernamesAnyway
Should have seen that coming
wambu
Name checks out . . .
preventerfire
Welcome to my childhood as a guy named Steele
FrankLloydWrite
Pastor Tommy Steel is stonewalling a drywalling company.
Mandarinduckmama
Pastor Tommy Steele steals. :)
Unassumingcactus
R/yourjokebutworse
Mandarinduckmama
Tough crowd.
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Yep
Mandarinduckmama
Well, now I know.
c35000
Yeah that was the joke
Mandarinduckmama
But I tweeked it. I TWEEKED IT!!!!!!
Metalgearslade
Why?
MyFavouriteHoodie
His father was a Steeler and his father before him. I guess it's a family thing
Yupurineutah
Because he touches himself at night.
humpbackwhale
So do I, but I still pay my bills.
Yupurineutah
While he preys his bills away.
RedPandaFanAccount
It's a lot cheaper being athiest/agnostic
DrSanchezChristianAbortionClinic
10% off everything
Cheomesh
I mean, my lack of religion doesn't automatically stop me from not paying people for their work.
fearandloathinginaz
Nor does it keep you from being entitled- but American christians are typically the most entitles bunch you'll ever meet.
Cheomesh
I suppose it's easy to let the idea of eternal salvation go to your head, yeah.
Mandarinduckmama
They ARE the only ones getting it.
Cheomesh
Yeah that's not a thing.
Verldemert
It’s also a lot more boring. I so wanna believe in magic and miracles and magic dudes in the sky with a plan. Alas..
GodsFoot
I can just read/watch Lord of the Rings for that. And it's entertaining
Verldemert
I don’t understand the downvoting. I’m just saying that I envy religious people and their faith. *shrug*
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eggmuffin
There is. The pursuit of knowledge and understanding. It makes you see that the world is so much bigger and more beautiful that you knew.
jellybeandaddyjl
I don't know if envy is the word I'm looking for there, but I can understand I suppose, it comforts those types to believe in that stuff.
bamcobra
It’s called “faith”.
SometimesIFeelLikeAGenius
Solipsism is more fun, you become the dude in the sky.
Verldemert
I might look into that. I’d make a good sky dude, I think.
Mandarinduckmama
I can see that.
eggmuffin
Boring? The atheists get to play with the whole universe.
ausernamewhat
Kannapolis, NC for the record.
riseagainstitall
Thank you, I just realised the 704 area code!
bumblebeetunaaa
My grandmother lived there. Not shocked!
poorwhitetrash
Literally 10 hrs from me.
TheDrunkenHuntsman
We refer to it as Kracknapolis, a shithole shutdown mill town, with a bunch of lowlifes living in it.
poorwhitetrash
As a lowlife, don’t bring me into this!
ElCapitanBoomerang
I am from there and never heard it called this. Also I am not a suuuuper lowlife. So get your facts straight!
riseagainstitall
There is maybe 2 nice parts of Kannapolis, but as an avid mover and poor person, it gets real sketchy. Meth lab explosion, drug dealers,(1)
riseagainstitall
Pimps, pill heads,and one Smeagol druggy/dealer. All neighbors I've had in K-town.
TheDrunkenHuntsman
Not everyone is a crackhead there, there's a bunch of meth heads too.
ElCapitanBoomerang
ausernamewhat
https://www.newlifeconcord.org/staff.html
riseagainstitall
Your link puts it in concord nearish to afton ridge
Iwilltrytobenicer3
We didn't do nothing. It was a DONATION
UnicornsAreOverrated
I didn't see no thiefing Tommy?
MissSpelledTattoo
https://www.newlifeconcord.org/pastor.html
keithhdz10
Go to the “meet our pastor” section from the main page
MissSpelledTattoo
Link for convenience https://www.newlifeconcord.org/pastor.html
spookyfckr
Looks like they need to drywall between their teeth
DerKonig
Literally right down the street from where I live
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Sorry
supatim
Literally 2 hours and 28 minutes from where I live.
ElCapitanBoomerang
Ktown! We made it
skeletoefungus
Concord here! Super close!
YoungMetroDontTrustYou
Well hello! Shelby over here
Tthelaundryman
Egg it
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Then YOU will go to jail. Then it will be a 'crime on Religion ' charge. Or some such b,s,
Tthelaundryman
It’s a hate crime. I hate thieves
Tthelaundryman
But all you have to to is find out when local police shift change and do it then
TheDrunkenHuntsman
Yo! I'm right between Concord and Mt Pleasant. Howdy neighbor!
DerKonig
Locust. Howdy!
TheDrunkenHuntsman
I go there every now and then for date night with the woman. Go eat at outfitters, its delicious!
DerKonig
I did one night and wasn’t super impressed, I suppose I’ll give it a second chance
HighPriestessofSoFrickingTired
Literally 25 minutes from where I live.
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Sorry
speakeasiez
Literally 12 states away from where I live.
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Sorry
speakeasiez
username checks out.
jabike2424
riseagainstitall
5min from my job?
Cthulhuchooseyou
35!
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Sorry
RedFairladyZ32
1 day, 15 hours!
Thicker8
A “Preacher” wanted me to work on his car for free because in his words “This is God’s car”. I told him to have God drive it in and I would.
Ponderpoo
Mandarinduckmama
Oh no, you di'n't. Snaps her fingers in the shape of a "z."
tegfdd77
You new to this planet
vipe650r
1 Tim 5:18 “For the Scripture says, ‘You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,” and, ‘The laborer is worthy of his wages.’ ”
hypogi
But that would mean, you know, actually practicing your faith.
vipe650r
Thankfully, I know a lot who do. I’m growing.
FlippnDoughnut
Jesus walked everywhere
ihavethisusernameinparticular
Fuck that’s a good response
VesselOfHate
God himself let this guy borrow his car, and he's trying to skimp out and get the stuff done for free? Wouldn't spring for the premium stuff
psychicdonut
You could at least do it tax free.
Whiteoak789
Reminds me of the 2 tv ones that were trying to justify why they needed there private jets.
timdood3
D E M O N S
RoombaTheAssaultVacuum
Tell him Jesus had a Honda and he was a better person for not talking about it.
Justinicus
Spoke not of his own accord.
TitoAndy
MadDucks
funny side note: a honda is the only car mentioned in the bible.
MadDucks
Acts 2:1 "and when the day of pentecost was fully come, they were all with one Accord in one place."
Mandarinduckmama
I drive an Accord!!!! AND I like ducks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
edxmon
2 Thessalonians 3:10 "If anyone doesn't want to work, he shouldn't eat." Then again, many "religions" omit books from their bibles.
ILikeChocolateAndRaspberries
Cherrypicking is the official sport of the great religions, after all :)
vipe650r
1 Tim 5:18 “For the Scripture says, ‘You shall not muzzle an ox while it treads out the grain,” and, ‘The laborer is worthy of his wages.’ ”
daria
Omitted based on which list though? There are some common canons, but the list itself isn't specified by the Bible, only by men.
Whatwhatsomethingbutt
I mean, "The Bible" was essentially determined by Catholics in 382 at the Council of Rome. And nowhere in the Bible does it say Bible alone
CodyEvaristo
It was determined at the council of nicea actually
MadHakon
But you can be damned sure they won't omit the books that allow them to treat other people like trash.
TheRicM
I feel like lots of people don’t base their actions on the texts because they simply don’t read any of it
MadHakon
I don't disagree, but this is the reason which I'm so hostile towards religion. (1)
MadHakon
I'm gay and these fucks can certainly remember Levicticus but their religion is suddenly irrelevant when they are the abomination (2)
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
I’ve done work for only one church and one charity. I won’t take either as clients again. Both suck and don’t pay.
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caledric
take them to court. Being a church doesn't allow them to steal.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Not worth it. Not even worth my time in small claims. Just wrote it off.
ihavethisusernameinparticular
I’m a big fan of going back and reclaiming your property. Be it drywall, wiring, insulation, concrete etc...
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Both customers were for IT work. Can’t reclaim services. I see it merely as paying for a lesson. This was years ago so no loss at this point
ihavethisusernameinparticular
Well that’s too bad. Sorry you had to deal with that. Hope it doesn’t happen again/often.
7thor8thcaw
What type of work do you do?
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
The business in question is an IT managed services provider. I own 3 businesses and adjunct at 2 schools.
MissSassyPanties
Grouping all entities into one sucky group is not cool. Collect a down payment and issue a contract for legit work. Sue if they dont pay.
carlevan2840
From what I understand if you do sue they'll just put a lien on the property. That doesn't really help much anytime soon.
IcouldntfindmymedsthismorningsoItookyours
Not worth my time. Better to segregate by types of businesses I prefer not to work with. I don’t take on law firms anymore for that reason.
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Yeah, no lawyers either
76000BatteryLlamas
If they don't want to be judged by a stereotype, stop being stereotypical
HelloFellowMillennials
I bet you say that to all the minorities...
lucivjov
That doesn’t follow. E.g without knowing anything about me nor me doing anything to wrong you, if I said I’m Christian, how would you judge?
suesuesueveeyo
I'd assume you honestly believe there is nothing you can do that you can't be forgiven for.
lucivjov
Ah, this is why assuming is no good. I honestly believe there’s nothing that I’m sorry and repentant for that I can’t be forgiven,
lucivjov
And that’s how I need to treat others.
dirtmarker
I have done work for 8 to 10 churches over the years. Half of them never paid. The non pay rate for your average joe is less than 1%
clucja1
From what I've seen they usually pay. But they always try to get extra stuff for free. Or get discounts on work already agreed upon.
napzack
Happened once, put a lien on the property and they quickly paid.
holdfireblondie
Guilt them with the whole “Jesus was a carpenter” thing...
Mentalfloss249
Work in finance, can confirm - churches don't pay.
HagglingtonBearPig
Are we surprised though? Really... are we... cuz i aint
KiloElectronVolt
Will not work for churches. I bid jobs and then they ask what contributions I'll be making. No fuck that.
spiffylookingnerfherder
"10% of the labor; you're a 503c charitable organization, right?"
originalamb
Explains why so many pastors support Trump
spiffylookingnerfherder
They're pro birth and it matters more to them than anything else.
EnderPanda13
Had a friend who rewired a buisness, they completely refused to pay, cut off contact/etc. So he went to 'fix' something, undid his work-
EnderPanda13
-rewired it like how it was, & when they went to him to complain he said exactly what they did. "We have no records of being contracted by-
EnderPanda13
-you, if you wish to sign a contract for PAID work, please call us during buisness hours"
EnderPanda13
Btw they had signed a contract before he did his work, but then when it was time to pay said they never signed anything & never saw him b4.
RandyJefferson1
I have and still do work for multiple churches and not once have I been stiffed! Granted They are established congregations.
godcixelsyd
But the exposure!
iKeepLosingBobbyPins
I can pay my rent with it! Such a versatile currency!
TheVermonster
I mean, pictures of the giant sign getting posted on the internet is exposure. The pastor probably didn't expect to be included.
zoezoebelle
Many churches tried to demand free printing services when I worked at Staples, and even got angry when we said no. Talk about entitlement...
zoezoebelle
People pay you just to threaten them with eternal damnation every week and you think everyone owes you free shit now? Provide a real service
FragileDonkey
Probably restored 30+ churches over the past 10yr and every single one has paid me. Obviously people get stiffed..sucks when it happens to u
thenewteddy
you almost certainly live in a different part of the world than those whose churches don't pay
FragileDonkey
Obviously. I guess Ohio is special?
keylancer13
Note this pic is from NC. Southern Baptist churches are the worst.
FragileDonkey
I just want to clarify that I'm not saying all churches are perfect or that some have not paid for work done. I'm well aware this does happn
JiffyGee
“church folk” or those that state they are working for a church are the most horrible, in friendly people I’ve ever dealt with. Not all...
JiffyGee
but most.
purdhapley
The first thing every church I’ve ever worked for has asked me is, “can you donate your time?” Aka, can you work for free.
spiffylookingnerfherder
They're being up front about their intentions, and it sounds like you're free to say no. They're covering materials and permits? And you..
spiffylookingnerfherder
..can write off the cost of the job as a donation. Very different than lying then stiffing the gc.
purdhapley
Yes, I agree. Just pointing it out.
datphone777365
"Can you donate bill money?"
sharkbirdbitecaw
So much this
mcmachack
First Methodist Pays their bills, after three attempts at guilt tripping you into a freebie. You gotta use Hooker Rules though. Be Strong
BallsToYouMyGoodSir
put some roadkill inside the walls, make sure they need you agian
Private4160
Time to become Mennonite.
prosperouscheat
File a lien on the pastor's home?
yabbadabbaderpityderpdurpderp
why I didn't do business with church's, "we can pay in 90 days for work done now, trust us we are good christians"
doyouevenrobot
The instant a client goes on about being a "good christian" is the instant I seriously look at dumping them. It pretty much never ends well.
zoezoebelle
That's what the pastor's daughter always said in college and then she'd steal money from everyone in the lounge lol
Donttouchthatwithoutgloves
imjustalurkerdontmindme
It sounds bad but the drywallers I know, if you don't pay em, they still own the work and will rip it right back out, I agree with it?
squirreltactics
File a mechanics lien.
kimmie71490
I’ve got quite a few churches that don’t put rent and have been sent to collections...
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Yep. They want more more more. Free free free
Cheomesh
A church an acquaintance mine goes to had a carpenter from another parish offer to redo their flooring and then just stopped half way. 1/
Cheomesh
Apparently, the goal was more to guide people from my acquaintance's parish to his own,since not long after the carpenter's priest offered2/
Cheomesh
his own church as a substitute.About half go there now, the other half meet in the original church's hall for mass instead. 3/3
YouveLostTheGame
Do only half meet in the original because they only have half the floor? Is the rest void?
Cheomesh
Nah half meet in the other Parish's church, the other half meet in the hall. But yeah their church itself has no floor now.
spiffylookingnerfherder
That is so outstandingly devious and against the teachings of Jesus. Even this atheist can't see how a preacher justified that to himself.
Cheomesh
Also, apparently the guy in charge of my acquaintance's church's funds owns the contracting company that keeps finding things to do w/
Cheomesh
their church hall. So it's like a double whammy. 2/2
SnugglesaurusRex
That really does seem about right.
Ilikecreativepeople
But... But you'll get your reward in heaven /s
Leevalleyoftheshadowofdeath
Guess either get it in writing or don't work for churches
jnoahj
Get payment up front or at least an EMD. Some will agree to pay x$ on "faith" that "God will provide" then they stiff you because
jnoahj
God didn't miraculously quintuple their church size. Like an idiot wanting a mortgage saying "I'm good for it, I might win the lottery!"
dirtmarker
I always did. Still do.
jkeezie
Do they invoke the "you're doing the Lord's work" BS?
datphone777365
So does an "act of god" fire.
RatchetTheWusky
So did they end up paying?
nerotep
Only half of them
hafniOum
Ever had any issue doing work with catholic churchs!
hafniOum
But most have to admit that I always only charged what it’s costing me to do the work!
dirtmarker
I've never done any work for one that I can recall. I'm a surveyor. They don't sell their property too often.
Squelchtone
I'm a tailor and they only pay when boys pants are half off.
caledric
File a complaint with the police and take them to court
beforetherewerememes
“I’m gonna be a preacher so I don’t have to work” https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEWiJR9qeoc
djzapz
Sad thing is it's often easy for churches to find Pro Bono lawyers and it's financially and emotionally taxing to fight these battles.
RabidDingo
Part of me thinks, grab a reciprocating saw and repo the work.
dirtmarker
I have an enforceable contract. Still takes time and money. I try and exhaust all means of collecting before I do that. Not always worth it.
Lobuttomize
Don't they have to pay you for lost wages while suing?
EinSweetBoy
Can you just go to the church and uninstall your stuff?
illogicalphallusies
does it take money though? cant you include legal fees and a modest interest amount? like "church owes me $5k, from a job 6months ago.¹
illogicalphallusies
²im sueing for $5k + 5%($125) and any legal costs" if a lawyer costs $2k, church pays you $7,125...
hafniOum
Sadly bad payers will always find ways to avoid paying! Like if you knew you couldn’t pay why didn’t you told me right at the beginning?
illogicalphallusies
because they clearly want the work done
monocline
Is there some sort of non-payment clause you can put in?
popejubal
Yes but it still takes significant time and money to enforce those clauses that are already in the contractss Chasing dead rats is expensive
BigBadBillyBoy
Contractors can put a “builder’s lein” on a house or building and it appears as a debt against the property. Has to be cleared for 1/2
BigBadBillyBoy
a loan or a sale to go through. That takes courts answer lawyers and time.
minipancho94
How much are court fees. I'll donate a dollar just for the principle of it.
dirtmarker
Thanks buddy. I'll cover it though. Go give that buck to a homeless person or tip a waiter better.
Iwilltrytobenicer3
Just the tip?
bearjew1990
That's why we stopped taking brown clients (middle Eastern/Indian) when I did landscaping. They were brutal to deal with.
Mandarinduckmama
Haha. I've heard this from others, as well.
dirtmarker
I had a slow payer like that. I always got my money but it might take 10 months.
datphone777365
Hmm name might be ironic...
bearjew1990
Lol just got a warning for my comment. Good old double standards.
friggenjeebus
The jesus fish conspiracy. If they have a jesus fish, you're getting screwed
Yupurineutah
LOL The crappy, NC based Hamilton drywall products had the Jesus fish but apparently they got rid of it recently.
arfysdad
I learned that long ago. The more they announced their Christianity, the less Christian they are.
jm151
yep. to most Americans, being "Christian" is about projecting an "I'm better than you" image
dirtmarker
Go listen to William S Burroughs "words of advice for young people". He said it best.
bamcobra
Been a handyman for the past 30 years. Cannot count the jobs I have gotten to complete “Christian” contractors unfinished/shoddy work.
TheRicM
Wait are we still talking about working on churches or are you now talking about contractors who are Christian
bamcobra
Most specifically, I was referring to arfysdad’s observation that the more someone feels they have to announce their Christianity, the less
NotStephanie
Ack!!! As a pastor: This is horrible! Red tape and slow decisions are often typical but not paying is stealing.
Sugarcrotch
my moms church recently just got rid of a pastor for stealing stuff from the church and selling it to pad his own pockets..
NotStephanie
This stuff just kills me. I know pastors are only human but this kind of thing does so much damage.
10tacles
Corrupt people are drawn to positions of power. You will find a higher than the average of them there.
NotStephanie
Sad thing is it’s supposed to be about service. But yes there are churches & relig orgs that run on power/politics. unchecked it’s a mess
bearjew1990
Yeha my dad is a pastor and his biggest nightmare was dealing with the Deacons meetings. He never did anything like this tho
NotStephanie
Yes, there are lots of people who have to get on board to keep things rolling - and everyone has their opinion!!
bearjew1990
Hmm, sounds like something a Stephanie would say..
jeebus333
Exactly the same for my dad
NotStephanie
I have to admit I let the other pastor take those meetings. So much stress and emotional energy for me.
jeebus333
In many churches it is the worst part for the pastors
boevis
Yet you're perfectly ok with being a con artist.
mothmanual2016
Nice assumptions with no basis you have here. Aside from some mega church billionaires the majority of pastors and preachers do their jobs/
mothmanual2016
/out of love for the community around them. Unless you have a huge congregation of wealthy folks it doesn't pay very much money wise.
NotStephanie
I’m very sure the hospitalized 81 yo and dying 89 yo I visited today were thankful for the prayers in the tradition of their life long faith
ChampionChains
Even as an atheist, I recognize that most non-mega churches do a lot of good in their communities and improve their members quality of life.
IamTheBaron
As an idea, if you still do want to work for them, ask them for prepayment (or escrow) before the work starts, and explain why.
dirtmarker
I never ask for the money upfront. I consider myself a professional and I have always thought that wasn't necessary. Most times I'm right.
spiffylookingnerfherder
I've worked with large contractors who require a substantial up front (5-20%) for mobilization and materials. These are 7-8 figure jobs.
superdinglebudgie
Lawyers have retainer fees...paid up front.
dirtmarker
True. Their clients sometimes end up in jail. As a surveyor that isn't common with me.
bamcobra
Same here. Mostly right. I try to take the attitude that if I’m doing it with the right heart, they’ll pay to someone higher than me.
barbarian818
I used to be a pro too, mostly new commercial with a bit of residential reno. The contracts always had a small (10%) down payment followed
barbarian818
clear stages of work, with payment for each stage being required before the next stage can begin. Each stage billed for slightly more than
barbarian818
what was due at the end of the stage (10% IIRC) and all that extra came due at completion. This protects both builder and customer.