Raharuaharu
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and ZERO replacement in sight.
Jan 12, 2017 6:49 PM
Raharuaharu
85185
1652
221
and ZERO replacement in sight.
MonocledTiger
The champion of the working class, ladies & gentleman.
elsaRULES
Me the next fours years
Mimsey
Me for the next four years:
josiah888
Cheomesh
The pregnancy bit of ACA saved my wife and I during an unexpected pregnancy she decided to keep.Glad we beat that...
jelliebellie1940
Let's stop putting the president's name in front of the word care. Politicians only care about campaign donations.
DanishforDessert
Well I am 5 months pregnant and covered through my parents insurance..... crap
celticnic
Im still on my dads insurance...i cant find anything online confirming this post. Im freakin out too!
indiehedgehog
I think the ACA is in effect for 2017 regardless of how they vote
DanishforDessert
I hope so
yikesaroni
well this is what happens when the rural minority is calling the shots. welcome to shitsville
Raharuaharu
This is what comes from a policy of "Stigginit" to the libs
Frogapus
"The city bus has terrible fuel efficiency." "We'll get rid of the bus so you can buy a new car." "But what if I can't afford a new car?"
WhatRaySay
look, it's not the government's job to provide safety and stability for its citizens using our collective resources. OR IS IT?!
FlappinBurgers
LosPer
Nice hedging...
imhereforthepuppies
Yeah, I really want to know where my money is going. OH YEAH! The wars.
springelmogizmo
"making america great again" does not include the following americans...
elsaRULES
Allrighty
That's probably what "great" means to a lot of them - excluding the ones who aren't "real" Americans, like them.
FreckleFoxx
Come on guy, he's just weeding out the week ones! Darwincare!
RavennaMagnus
the *poor ones
elsaRULES
WhatzitTooya
Guess it would be easier to list the ones included.
BraveStrawberry
Rich people, people with jobs that actually offer health coverage. List complete. Good day, sir!
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
Ahaha this will completely demolish the health insurance market for years to come so it won't matter what your job offers
TurtBurglar
Don't worry- there is a replacement. It's a great replacement. The best. You don't know about because it's just that great. The best.
archiker7
Tremendous!
spidermilk
It's a secret plan ... and
scouttrooper
It's yuge I'm telling you.
damnmongorian
Yuuuuuuuuuge
princeaizen
What's sad is he actually said that or similar to it a couple of days ago
TurtBurglar
He sure did.
sharkbirdbitecaw
This is so horrifying. I finally got some treatment, and now this....
d3jake
$5 says they never field an actual replacement. Maybe something they claim replaces it, but does a very poor job.
IguanaMadona
I was uninsured when my cat decided to dump a dying bat into my bed. $11,000 ER bill, yay. Wish we'd had ACA back then
safetcup
Fuck!
fuck123456789
the republicans have no alternative cuz the ACA was their fucking plan to begin with
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Krakencrotch
^Accurate representation of American federal politics.
TheContemplatorOfFate
which was based on Nixon's proposed health care reform, so really it's Nixoncare.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
It's not quite that simple. http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/12/the-aca-v-the-heritage-plan-a-comparison-in-chart-form
LetMeFavoriteThisAndNeverDoItPlease
And that's one of the few reasons I'm glad to be french, where you don't have to pay a cent for a week long stay at the hospital :/
LosPer
You pay for it in high taxes, high unemployment, and slow economic growth...but enjoy.
LosPer
You pay for it in high taxes, high unemployment, and slow economic growth...but enjoy.
Ckalen
My daughter has epilepsy. Keeping her on my insurance may no longer be possible. The GOP can go jump off a cliff
Cheknya
My 7 year old does too, I hope congress has more common sense than the Senate
N0ticeablyFAT
My niece has FPIES and is basically allergic to food (she's almost 2 and has less than a dozen safe options). Pre-existing goes away and...
N0ticeablyFAT
...so does my little sister's house.
PaintedSlate
Come on, that's really not fair. They have fully-funded health insurance.
Mimsey
Won't matter until someone steps up and throws them off a cliff. These asshates occur throughout history and ALWAYS require revolution.
DefinetlyNotObsessed
Well no cuz we can just vote politicians away we only have revolutions under fascist rulers, aristocracies, monarchies etc
Krakencrotch
Perfect, the stage is set then.
DefinetlyNotObsessed
Lol ugh fine I'll get my rifle
carizariza
Right. My sister has lupus. She's only 20. How's she going to pay for insurance as a broke college student?!
Cheomesh
How was she paying it before?
Cheomesh
How was she paying it before?
Krakencrotch
The topic here is young adults on their parents' insurance. Can you make an educated guess?
psychedelictesticle
yes,... but why male models?
Whwat
lol
HeartlessHaley
I'm assuming she was covered by her parents insurance. Since ACA allowed you to stay on until age 26.
IShouldBeStudyingRightNowInsteadOfBrowsingImgur
I thought it was 23? DAAAAAD!!!! Did you lie to me to take me off the family plan? I still have one more year of school...
carizariza
i think it used to be 23 before they changed it to 26 recently.
azazyel
Well maybe but at least we're sticken it those liberals!
Thatsadownvotin
That's exactly what people do where in my area. Sticking to liberals has become more important to folks here than smart policy. It's sad.
Thorbane
That's the spirit that has me worried I'll outlive the country.
Gorkyyyyyyyy
This is terrifying. I'm 24 with multiple sclerosis. I can't even begin to imagine how hard it's gonna be to afford treatment...
TheWholeBlueberryExperience
I have my insurance through my job, but it's absolutely sickening that they want to progress repealing an order without any replacement.
peachiepie
Doesn't the pre-existing clause, staying on a plan until 26, and contraceptives affect all insurance plans?
ShakeItDontBreakIt
These things affect all insurance. Even insurance outside of the ACA won't have to cover any of those things now.
TheWholeBlueberryExperience
Well I'm also healthy and 23 years old. If I get denied, it would probably be open heart surgery or something wildly expensive.
peachiepie
You won't always be healthy and 23, and I hope you aren't in your parents' plan. Also, accidents happen. Health does not protect you.
erischilde
I do too. And I just got laid off. I'm lucky I'm in Canada... but scripts and dentist? Gah. Gotta get it all in this month...
mwiili
Me too. It doesn't affect me either way, just doesn't make sense to get rid of it w/o an idea of what should replace it.
CitizenDickbag
Oh it will. The loss to the insurance companies of thousands and thousands of customers will cause all premiums to skyrocket. Even yours.
mwiili
I also don't go to the doctor, so no, it won't. At least not for many years, and I assume we'll have 5 or 6 different systems before then.
TheWholeBlueberryExperience
Kind of my train of thought, so get your own! But I mean I'm 23 and go to the gym 7 days a week now. Haven't needed meds in about a year.
MooseKittens
I have severe depression& anxiety & can't function without my meds. Repealing Obama Care scares me. I won't be able to afford my meds
vomirrhea
Don't worry, you just need jesus!
TheThirdKindofHeat
I have really bad ADHD. Concerta is fucking expensive. No idea how the fuck I'm going to pay for it if I get kicked off my parent's plan.
FlappinBurgers
Have... Have you tried weed?
MooseKittens
Yes I have, and it does really help
faerieofupvotes
I really don't know what I'm going to do. I need therapy, psychiatrist for med control, and expensive meds. I'm fucked.
MooseKittens
We've gotta stay strong and take advantage of our support systems: friends and family
MooseKittens
We've gotta stay strong and take advantage of our support systems: friends and family
imhereforthepuppies
Do you know the shelf life on the meds? Can you start stockpiling? That's my plan.
faerieofupvotes
My insurance will only pay for 90 day supplies at a time. I can't order any more through them
gorgosaurusrex
How expensive are your meds and care? Like as a percentage of your income. Genuinely curious, I hope things work out for you!
faerieofupvotes
My meds are 1500-2000 per 90 day supply. I don't know what the doc visits would cost me. I make about 3000 a month.
ashtastic10
In same boat. I know what it is like without my meds...And I don't want to live like that again......I can't
MooseKittens
I know exactly how you feel. I'm mentally unstable w/o meds and I'm truly scared that I will really hurt myself.
TheLoneGringo
It's ok he's gonna come up with something "better"
screamingwinemaker
*"Great"
Etazin
It's gonna be much better so much better where gonna get rid of it and make it so much better
damnmongorian
It's gona be yuuuuuuge
TheLoneGringo
PeteButtigieg
God I hope he really does have a plan for something better.
Cheomesh
He does not.
PurpleMagnolia
Not covering contraceptives will result in more Americans that also won't be covered...
tempokat
But wait! We are defunding Planned Parenthood, too! Argh...
slack3rdav3
least they will get protection until they're born!
zenunchucks
Cheap, plentiful slaves.
mckenna310
BUT THE BABIES MUST BE BORN. After that, who cares.
tempokat
But wait! We are defunding Planned Parenthood, too! Argh...
significantpoo
Okay I really really like Planned Parenthood.
bundleofwoodensticks
Jesus told me to do it
HypnoButler
Republicans need live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers.
siegoMCMXCII
Wasn't it the DNC who was calling for war on Russia?
yikesaroni
holy shit. that's dark, and real
siegoMCMXCII
Wasn't it the Democrats who were calling for war on Russia?
Mimsey
Who will vote Republicans because they're poor, rural, uneducated idiots.
LinearAlgebro
literally 90% of the people i know in college are republicans, so fuck off
Cheomesh
*looks over at the inner city* Yeah...
Mimsey
I never said Democrats had no poor, uneducated idiots. But theirs at least vote for a party with a platform that would help them.
Cheomesh
I was taking a jab at rural rather than Republicans.
JudgeMentalCat
Partisan politics makes it #progressive to hate the poor instead of reaching out to them
JudgeMentalCat
Look, I don't like the right- but mocking people who are in a shitty financial situation helps no one.
yikesaroni
you might have homed into the 'poor' part too much and ignored the 'rural, uneducated, ethno-nationalist, pro-war, fundamentalist' part
JudgeMentalCat
Yeah, but stereotyping every poor person as "rural, uneducated" is part of what makes them hard to convince
yikesaroni
LOL heavens no, Democrats vote FOR welfare, entitlements and wage increases, what i dislike are rural fundamentalist ethno-nationalists
MLBFAN36
The way I see liberals is exactly what you described, except replace rural with urban.
Mimsey
Republicans not only never try to aid or improve the poor. They frequently vote to fuck them over even worse.
MLBFAN36
The Democrats normally are the poor people, and Republicans end up having to bankroll everything they try to achieve
Mimsey
So it's logical for an idiot to vote Democrat. Democrats want to help idiots. Or at least try to by throwing money at them.
Mimsey
Thing is, liberals tend to try to spend money on education, healthcare, and contraception. Which prevents all of these problems!
equityforpunks
Nice to be a Finn who earns above avg and still pays less direct taxes than avg health ins is in US. Yup, we got free healthcare, schools...
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodCthulhu
I'm already happy with my affordable healthcare and schools, here in the Netherlands. At least our beer is affordable as well ;)
kentk94
Yep, I've been researching and thinking of a move to that area. Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland. At least you guys have kick ass music!
stanleyspadowski
You can't - they're incredibly xenophobic.
kentk94
http://imgur.com/m97pe57
PublicClassMiloImplementsPerson
No we're not. Only slightly.
6313326
I hveblonde children. Can we come or do we have to like weird pickled fish dishes as well?
PublicClassMiloImplementsPerson
Sure, but you have to sacrifice at least one of them to the gods. Thor and Odin must know your resolve. A goat would also do.
mistersarcasticduh
We are all fucked
Cheomesh
Nah I'm fine, because my family is insured through work.I can only afford another 25% or so on a rate hike before I have to sell my car tho.
RisingPhoenix92
Well sorta. Massachusetts should be fine for the most part.
TheAllFatherOdin
Nope, not all. I have health insurance through work, even if rates go up, ill decline it. Wouldnt be the 1st time w/out insurance
mistersarcasticduh
Why would the allfather need insurance anyway
TheAllFatherOdin
Exactly
TakWriterOfWorlds
God forbid something happens to you. Then you'll end up being the reason why healthcare costs are so high.
PenisShapedPoops
Oh. Well, back to the days where I get rejection letters based on my asthma. At least my Wal-Mart has a poor people clinic.
LVL80CatLady
Try cancer 8')
PenisShapedPoops
Sure thing!
Simnut94
My son moves off our insurance this year (retired military, we can't keep him on ours anymore). He has epilepsy, I'm terrified.
PenisShapedPoops
I'm sorry. I hope he can find a job with a good insurance plan before they can reject him. There's gotta be some recourse left.
Simnut94
He works part time, no benefits. He lives at home, can't drive because of his epilepsy. He's on several medications & has had brain surgery.
Raharuaharu
in 2 years, vote democrat, and convince others to do the same.
maniacalmacaroni
I love how the GOP response to rising premiums is "Fuck em, let em die and go bankrupt" rather than "let's fix this bill and lower prices."
PenisShapedPoops
What do you mean no one can afford cancer? Then they shouldn't have it! Typical poor people living beyond their means.
maniacalmacaroni
Although Walmart gets so much corporate welfare, their clinic is basically single payer healthcare
erischilde
God that's shit. Sorry bro. Move up here to Canada, we got you. And Timmies
Jimmerus
As someone in a similar boat I'd love to. However I'm not a specialist or college edumacated so getting in would be very troublesome.
donotforget1
Just annex New York State, please. We have Tims. We play hockey. And Canada won't take me...
erischilde
Have you tried getting a Canadian girlfriend?
erischilde
Have you tried getting a Canadian girlfriend?
erischilde
Have you tried getting a Canadian girlfriend?
erischilde
Have you tried getting a Canadian girlfriend?
nottooproudofthisbut
Can you invade the entire west coast, please? I'd like some of that universal healthcare.
erischilde
Think that navy of yours would get involved? They're pretty hardcore...
nottooproudofthisbut
Yeah, but just go by land. We've deployed most of our armed forces overseas. Bring a moose and we'll all just stare and stand by in awe.
nottooproudofthisbut
Yeah, but just go by land. We've deployed most of our armed forces overseas. Bring a moose and we'll all just stare and stand by in awe.
erischilde
They are our tank decision. Beavers makeup the infantry. Handing out kinder eggs to the adults! Hearts and minds! Looòoool
PenisShapedPoops
Thanks for the offer but I'm a Texan. I can handle flying scorpions but if it snows even once about twenty people die with me.
erischilde
Lmao. Why twenty? You freaking out or Bruning something down for heat? Visit bc some time. We can do something outdoorsy.
PenisShapedPoops
Driving, probably. To famous Dallas cut-off is hard to do when your car does a 360 every time you tap the brakes.
crackedatlas
... Flying what? A concerned Canadian.
PenisShapedPoops
If they infest your house and get in your fixtures, sometimes it rains scorpions when you're trying to take a shit. Better than fire ants.
erischilde
I almost am the opposite. I live in the warmest part of Cananda and want desert. I'd miss my home so much though.
Rayjuss
Even though the NHS in the UK is a mess, I'm glad I don't have to deal with health insurance.
feeltheice
Honestly the pre-existing condition is the only protection I wish they would have enacted. Health Insurance was like $70/month before ACA.
alake
If all you had was a pre-existing condition rule then insurance companies would go out of business. No one would by insurance til their sick
BattloidKouji
That's not how insurance works. If you can buy it only when you need it it's not insurance.
feeltheice
True, but lots of people wanted to get insurance but couldn't because of things like. Diabetes.
BattloidKouji
I agree completely, but you need the mandate to go with the preexisiting condition clause, otherwise people only buy it when they need it
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
With lifetime limits of like $5,000.
feeltheice
Limit of what?
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
Maximum amount insurance will pay for over your entire lifetime. The ACA bans lifetime caps.
feeltheice
$5k is like one broken bone
penultimatewarrior
We probably will do by the time this government is out
DinoKebab
Oh shut up. No we won't.
shhep
Polish NHS is a shitbarrel. But NHS tax plus all the other taxes, plus private dental care is still less than USA "cheap taxless" bollocks.
shhep
And what I get is just peace of mind that when I'm 80 and my hip fails, I won't have to decide between selling my flat and walking.
fraxinusoleaceae
As an American (who had really good insurance in the US) fuck the NHS is good. Straight up just better service for normal things.
ChrisLucas1
I liked how I could go to any hospital and they have my records and info. Wait times for emergency care are the same as the U.S anyway.
peridotite
Poor college student, woke up one night because I couldn't breathe, go to ER and do CBC. My results indicate I could have a blood clot.
peridotite
Ct scan and a few X-rays later and they don't find anything. Send me home. Now I have a bill for $2000 after private insurance. I have $6 in
peridotite
My checking account right now. I don't know how I'm going to do it
annibe11e
Write the hospital a letter explaining your difficulty paying. They can reduce your bill.
peridotite
I'm actually a student at the university owning the hospital. I told them about my difficulty and they helped out by setting me up on a
BoopBoopDEEDoop
My husband got poison ivy really bad once with no insurance. Had to go to the Emergency Room because it was spreading and painful. Spent 1/
BoopBoopDEEDoop
An hour waiting to be seen, got moved to a room and waited another hour. He spent less than 10 minutes with the Dr and got a bill for 2000
IamJustGoingToSayExactlyWhatiAmThinking
I got a kidney stone without insurance once. Hospital bill was $5k, doctor bill was $800. There for 4 hours & saw the Dr for 5 minutes.
Cyanide555
Nz. Kidney stone was basically free. Spent maybe $150 on the afterwards drugs to keep the pain away
IguanaMadona
I got by a bat, the ER bill for rabies treatment was over $11,000.
TheContemplatorOfFate
the problem is not just the insurance but the high cost of healthcare itself.
maltamonk
Yep. This is the main reason just making insurance cover everyone won't work by itself.
BraveStrawberry
Truth.
Beelsebooob
The only mess in the NHS is that it's underfunded. The UK spends the least per GDP on health coverage of any European country.
Iamaroguedemonhunter
Yeah because other eu countries have higher tax
BritishBatman
it really isn't, there's so much money being shitted to the wrong places.
ElPoloDiablo
And considering its concept is one of the best in Europe if not the world it's really a shame. I adore the NHS and the people that run it.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
*work in it. The people running it are the reason it's underfunded
ElPoloDiablo
Yeah sorry, that's what I meant.
alpinej0e
But there's huge waste too. Mis-matched systems, faxing, commissioning cycles etc. Radio 4 piece: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b087rx6b
Beelsebooob
Sure - and how do you think you end up in a situation where you're faxing things back and forth 1/
Beelsebooob
(hint - it involves not enough money to develop the replacement system) 2/2
alpinej0e
Saving money costs money. But it shows that the investments have been in the wrong places for too long.
AutomaticBzooty
But now you'll get £350m a week from that sweet sweet EU money, right? Right?
Beelsebooob
You made me giggle at least :)
ThisNameIsWhatManyOftenConsiderHitsAHypotheticalFan
Kill me.
0manuellabor0
Hahahahahahaha! Just because it was written ON THE SIDE OF A FUCKING BUS doesn't mean it was a promise...
ChrisLucas1
Says man of the people Farage
bennettleben
What? They never said or implied anything of the sort /s
StopLookingAtMyName
Just cause they tell you something will happen, doesn't mean that the thing will happen! Pfff, idiots. /s
LinearAlgebro
people keep saying that as if it's a small issue. It's the whole point of the argument over here; it's too expensive
Beelsebooob
You're saying that the cheapest healthcare anywhere in Europe, and half the price of the US's is "too expensive"? If that's your 1/
Beelsebooob
argument then you're just living in a fantasy land where health care doesn't cost money. 2/2
LinearAlgebro
2/2 healthcare. But we have a finite amount of money, which causes issues. I.e., it's too expensive
Beelsebooob
If we have too little to pay for the cheapest healthcare in the west, then we need to find something else to cut. The NHS is not it.
LinearAlgebro
What do you think the argument is even about? If we had an infinite amount of money of course everyone in the world would have 1/2
Beelsebooob
The argument is about whether the NHS is worth while. It provides the cheapest health care anywhere in the western world. Healthcare is 1/
flyingsolow
Apparently we're supposed to spend our Brexit money on it. Let's see that happen, rather than paying off our deficit.
flyingsolow
Or spending it on buying into alternative trade links.
ImHereToTellYouThatsWrong
The deficit has only grown under austerity. Get ready for the politics of 'how low can Corp tax go' paid for from your pocket
kittiecatsorbust
US insurance isn't bad if you have a regular full time job in a liberal-ish state. But yea if you work PTin the south you're screwed
Kougeru
But the liberals are the ones that universal health care and the south wants the opposite.....
ChrisLucas1
Even then the CO pay, deductibles are pretty much a joke. I miss the NHS badly, and I'm a healthy person.
kittiecatsorbust
Or if you run your own business...
Mazares8
It's okay, I'm insured through the ACA not that garbage Obamacare...
MrPredator
*Raging intensifies*
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alpinej0e
Imgur, we need a new gif for moments like this.
MrWiggleBottom
RobertGoulet
That reference is so sick it's coverage just got denied.
dngrslycheesy
I need an update on that poor SOB
dev89
He's dead.
IamNotAnAlien
Legend says that the comment hasn't been deleted to this day
PerpetuallyPerplexedPlatypus
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/013/005/3mLydMU.jpg
CyranoDeBurlapSack
I don't even remember what he actually said. I'm fairly certain this is exactly what he said in the kids G rated movie.
ForeveraKritik
"Originally, I was gonna have initials for 'babysitter', but then I would've been going around with a big 'B.S.' ..."
Formlexx
oracle9999
2meta4me
puffyjacket69
Thank god for the ACA!!! Freedom!!!!
madwaffler
I got that reference. I'm so proud of myself.
jackdouglass
Not again lmao i don't want someone to take this literally
moisttowlette69
You sick bastards beat me to everything.
sweatypepperoni
Heh heh Slowpoke
q2grapple
sorry to hear about your girlfriend....
BraveStrawberry
My question is... how did he get covered through the ACA without going to healthcare.gov?
WontSomeonePleaseThinkOfTheChildren
He's a moron.
BraveStrawberry
BraveStrawberry
TheBlackVan
It's ok. I'm uninsured.
minatureanalbeads
????
SilverTimeMaker
http://imgur.com/ug73qzk
mikenter
When a comment has more likes than the post
andergriff
my friend doesn't get this, can you explain this to him?
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andergriff
fucking wow.
TheFeralDog
They are the same thing
elsaRULES
This joke does not get old.
Greeneyeddevil
Did theguy from the viral post ever respond?
neondemonn
It's fairly new.
neondemonn
It's fairly new.
neondemonn
It's fairly new.
RisingPhoenix92
Kinda like those people who will lose their health insurance
whydoeslovedothistome
HandsomeSwede
daaang
ButterfaceTaintClown
Oh... You went deeper. Give me a second while I recalibrate. +1
TakWriterOfWorlds
Oh shit, I might be one of them.
slack3rdav3
I'm still under university healthcare until i graduate, then I get a job. We'll see what the fuck I end up with.
BraveStrawberry
Good luck to you, my friend.
Arcian
Good god that's savage.
Knillis
It isn't.
partwulf
I'm genuinely concerned. I need intense therapy for depression. If I lose that I don't know what I'm going to do
fatbottomgirlsmaketheworldgoround
talk to your dr now and make a plan for what may come. a lot of docs have sliding scales, etc. etc.
Krakencrotch
http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/10-easiest-countries-to-immigrate-to-368250/
FullCrimsonic
Well politicians think they are invincible so....
ShakeyGraves
Pay for it yourself?
Auronious
Sure. Let's all pay the going rate for procedures. Mental, physical ailments. Out of pocket. Maybe shoot those who can't work. MURICA!
ShakeyGraves
You're right so make those of us who worked hard to be well off pay it for you. Neato
inboxmefoxes
Fuck yourself with a cactus, then pay to have it surgically removed yourself, without insurance.
ShakeyGraves
Are you upset that I pay for my own things and don't want to be forced to pay for yours? You're so angry
ShakeyGraves
Are you upset that I pay for my own things and don't want to be forced to pay for yours? You're so angry
mwiili
If we all paid instead of insurance, rates would be far more affordable and fewer needless test would be performed. Just sayin...
imhereforthepuppies
That might be true but we cannot flip the switch overnight without many deaths.
shhep
No they wouldn't because that's not how you run a big-earning monopoly you walnut.
Engnineere
You should take a microeconomics course. Not saying anyone is right, but it'd open your eyes.
mwiili
I'm talking about the disconnect between patient and actual cost. It's a big reason why health costs are so much higher in the US.
partwulf
Everyone pays with taxes
ShakeyGraves
Why should I pay 60 grand in taxes while having my own mortgage, insurance and every other bill to pay before I get save a penny for myself?
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ShakeyGraves
The 60 grand the federal government is taking is sure as shit paying for it. Not to mention the skyrocketing insurance premiums
partwulf
If you gouge smaller expenditure towards long term gains you will suffer along with "free loading libtars". Just so you're aware
tweetlebeetlebottlepuddlepaddlebattlemuddle
Your very existence in this society means you're standing on the shoulders and benefiting from the work of many. Your selfishness is sad.
partwulf
You don't. Those taxes you pay for property are separate from insurance. You have listed things that have no bearing on the issue
MathiasTolerain
By your own philosophy and belief sets? Get skills worth more than 60k, accept your own untimely death from treatable disease, and shut up.
ShakeyGraves
I'm making well above 60 grand I pay that in taxes alone. I can afford my own treatment. Maybe the others should follow your advice
ShowMeBunnies
The depressed man will earn his own money to pay taxes if he receives treatment, and might not get out of bed if he doesn't.
ShakeyGraves
So it's up to others to carry those who can't carry themselves?
ShakeyGraves
I don't feel the need to pick up someone else's slack. Nobody picks up mine
shhep
Or you're too blinded by hate and bile to see, eh.
TakWriterOfWorlds
Actually, you're already picking up the slack. How do you think hospitals pay for treating the uninsured?
PatrickFancyPants
Do you use a paved road?
Krakencrotch
Yes, yes they do. That's how taxes work, you fucking idiot. Everyone pays, everyone benefits.
partwulf
You will anyhow. Either way your taxes go towards "picking up slack".
ShakeyGraves
Well since you don't pay for your own insurance you wouldn't understand having your premium go up by 400% due to ACA
LyingSOB
There's no education in the second kick of a mule. Voters didn't get the hint after the great recession... they won't after this.
GogglesGreek
Obama administration pulls our country from the brink of an economic depression and gets guaranteed healthcare for all. Literally Satan.
PeteButtigieg
You can say that again.
Mimsey
This is more like the hundredth kick. Take a US History class and see that Conservatives have been doing shit like this for over 100 years.
GogglesGreek
Obama administration pulls our country from the brink of an economic depression and gets guaranteed healthcare for all. Literally Satan.
boomslander
The economy was improving prior to Obama.
DrMcTouchy
The premiums jumped so high many in my company can't afford it and take the fine because it's less. Yeah, were truly blessed.
Datdudez
*guaranteed insurance. Life saving care has been guaranteed for awhile. ACA has nothing to do with saving lives, *only saving bank accts.
Datdudez
*YMMV
MoreLikeLawlSchool
*emergency care. Preventive care, which is only usable with health insurance, decreases healthcare costs and saves more lives.
MoreLikeLawlSchool
*emergency care. Preventive care, which is only usable with health insurance, decreases healthcare costs and saves more lives.
Datdudez
What preventative care was being denied by doctors due to lack of insurance?
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MoreLikeLawlSchool
It's not affordable for people who can't get insurance.
SquaresandRectanglesandPrismsOhMy
I've had coverage go down, and double in price, and have higher premiums. Not the worst in my family- sister's has nearly tripled. 1/2
GogglesGreek
repeal the ACA with no replacement of their own, other than to watch millions of Americans suffer.
GogglesGreek
GOP literally shut down govt because people got healthcare. And instead of improving ACA or tackling absurd insurance rates, they will just
LinearAlgebro
I like how on imgur when someone mentions that, all the replies are "yea but [insert reason why you should ignore that]"
SquaresandRectanglesandPrismsOhMy
I'm all for universal healthcare as an idea, but the ACA implementation was absolute shite. It's a question of whether the second round will
Krakencrotch
Look at it this was: ACA is a house under construction, and the GOP is a constant artillery barrage aimed at the house.
SquaresandRectanglesandPrismsOhMy
be better or worse than the first.
QuasiIntellectualChimpanzee
How did your coverage go down?
GogglesGreek
repeal the ACA with no replacement of their own, other than to watch millions of Americans suffer.
SquaresandRectanglesandPrismsOhMy
Serious question: do you seriously believe there's a political faction in the US only interesting in causing suffering?
TheHourGrowsLate
The GOP wants to crush the poor and blame minorities, for the benefit of the 1%. It is their stated goal.
Krakencrotch
They don't care about people suffering, that's why they're so dangerous.
GogglesGreek
Which is something that should have and could have been fixed and improved on, but GOP kicked, beat, assaulted ACA just for political gain.
IronicUsername
The GOP leadership would burn the country to the ground if they could rule the ashes.
SquaresandRectanglesandPrismsOhMy
So by fixing and improving on...do you mean repeal and replace with a market based system? Or repeal and replace with a single-payer system?
idislikecomingupwithuniqueusernames
The ACA -was- a market-based system. It mostly just added regulations to how the market provided insurance.
GogglesGreek
If they actually cared about anything but their own primary elections, they'd have worked to improve the legislation. Not kneecap it.
GogglesGreek
There was no need for a repeal. GOP was obstructing and turned Obamacare into as offensive a word as 'child molester' for the 2016 election.
GogglesGreek
The proof is the fact that they aim to repeal the ACA by the 27th, and have LITERALLY NO REPLACEMENT PLAN.
LinearAlgebro
so the system was bad, so republicans bashed it, and that's somehow a bad thing?
GogglesGreek
For 6 years. They demonized it, they stopped their states from expanding medicaid coverage, they did everything to keep it from improving.
GogglesGreek
The system provided healthcare for all its citizens. It got rid of pre-existing conditions as a reason to refuse coverage. People love it.
GogglesGreek
We're now the only G20 nation to have had and then removed universal healthcare. That's fucking tragic.