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I am no expert. I just want this to get the attention it deserves. We lose 12 hockey kids our nation stood still. We find 700+ graves in the same provinces it's in the past so we should "just let it go".
But it is not the past. The last residential school closed in 1996.
These schools where literally made to "beat the savage out of the Indians" . They where run by the church and Canadain goverment.
The kids where subjected to cruel treatment. Beatings, rapes, molestations. They where sometimes given new names. Their hair was cut. They where not allowed to see their family. They where not allowed to speak their language. And so much more.
The world needs to know Canada shame. We need to find ever grave. We need to get these kid's home. We need to charge those who are still alive who are responsible. And the catholic church needs to to own their part of this. And so much more.
There is better and more information here
https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/the_residential_school_system/
Edit:
I found a group that helps survivors of the residental schools. I am not sure if they also handle the search.
https://www.irsss.ca/donate
I also have a comment to downvote and if you want to downvote an old post please do. I don't want internet points for this I want this get enough attention my country is forced to do something real.
iamthisguy247
Maybe progress https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/residential-school-records-missionary-of-oblates-of-mary-immaculate-1.6078260
BeerAndChips
TheWarHymn
FYI Anglican Church and few others were also involved.
BeerAndChips
United Church, too. I first learned about IRSs at a united church conference when they were discussing drafting an apology
BeerAndChips
Ditto the government of Canada. TBH, I don't feel much like celebrating this July 1.
thatmugthatsyourfavourite
And many indigenous people are calling on us to cancel Canada Day. It's a small sacrifice to show solidarity with them
GrassssssssTastesBad
And its not news. This i just confirming what the families already knew. Their children were taken and didn't come home
FatCatSmugglerr
Canadians contact your MP and demand action on all 94 Calls to Action from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission be fast-tracked.
FatCatSmugglerr
Contact info here: http://www.ourcommons.ca
maplesyrupinmycoffee1
A horrible part of our history. The government is getting a lot of the blame they deserve but the church will get off and not pay a dime
jenw
I'm ok with rubbing their noses in the past
RoverZC
I never learned about this until I was in my mid-20’s, and I took a Canadian history elective in high school :/ shits fucked.
RemiRixJones
onelessdead
Canada as a nation is guilty as well. The church ran the schools but they were also gov't programs
breadedfishstrip
"That was ages ago why are you still holding it against us" says church of religion that teaches Original Sin
procrastinatingagain
Frightening. I don't know how these people can live with themselves.
Ana5ta51a
They can't because they are dead
AndersCalrissian
Nobody expected the Spanish Inquisition either
TerryTheOcellatedTurkey
They are catholics, in their eyes they just have to do a few chants and pray to one of their many lesser gods
DeadOnionSaysWhat
Because they're predators and hit the jack pot.
filben7
The same all monsters do, by pretending that they are religious and their piety makes them right.
HisDudness
Or just being sociopathic and abusing every instance of power at their disposal. That also works. Or both. Probably both.
Legomaniac91
By claiming that they were "just following the will of God" or some other bullshit excuse.
lotny
I am wondering how people can still put up with the catholic church
LunaticLegostone
No evil person considers themself evil. That only happens in Disney movies. That's why it's important to seperate intentions from effect.(1)
LunaticLegostone
If we only go by intentions, Hitler wasn't evil. Bin Laden wasn't evil. Even Kim Jong-Un geniouslybelieves he's doing the right thing. (2)
WarpHype
Can’t Canada just make it illegal to teach about indigenous people or racism like the US? /s
BeerAndChips
I think Alberta is doing just that, IIRC
Snowraptor
I learnt about residential schools when I was in school 15 years ago so if they're trying to change that it's a more recent thing
BeerAndChips
Very recently, I think. But I don't live in Alberta, so I can't really confirm
SilverNicktail
They have a nation-state Church that protects them under all circumstances.
PolarHailStorm
Dehumanization at work. They did all this and slept soundly.
Zreen
They probably even get off on it
Demidog669
Well, yea, it's the Catholic Church. I'm sure some pedophilia was involved. They probably got off lots.
dannnen1
Needs more blood
laufox
Bring on the forensic anthropologists, let's get some answers for the dead
BeerAndChips
It's ok, though: the Pope says he's feeling "closeness" to the people of Canada. That gets me in the warm fuzzies /s
SilverNicktail
As an ex-Catholic, I fucking despise the Catholic Church and especially that walking PR stunt they currently made pope.
Thisisbullshitalready
This is some fucked up horror novel level shit.
akiisignet
Holy fuck that’s some powerful graffiti.
Chouilste
Not really a graffiti, but a statement.
PastureofMuppets
People are downvoting (i think) cause graffiti is a statement, with various stories behind it. Yes this is a powerful statement in graffiti
Chouilste
I meant more that generally graffiti was and is still widely considered an act of vandalism, and this is far from vandalism.
LooseSeall
It’s still technically vandalism. Vandalism is deliberate destruction, the reason why doesn’t change that and it’s not inherently good/bad.
throwthisaccountinthetrashbin
I honestly don’t think we can ever repay what we did to our indigenous peoples.
micicle
Tax the churches to fund the searches!
Sp00kyVaginosis
My boyfriend's mother was in a residential school outside of fort chip and what she told me of what she endured was so heartbreaking.
circlebreaker
It was bad. There are a lot of school survivors who went to their graves never speaking a word about it. It's a goddamned outrage.
Sp00kyVaginosis
Fuck Catholic churches and the government for not doing anything for these people. They didn't deserve the abuse and death. They suffered.
turbodog
It's not just the Catholics, and it's not just Canada. It's also the Mormons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Placement_Program
N0MamesGuey
Hit the Catholic Church where it hurts, bank accounts and seize the land where these schools are/were.
TsubakiTragic
Catholic church to lose tax free status for 100 years. It's time to start penalizing the bad religions.
shakedownblues
Still, our government and Catholic Church should both be responsible to pay reparations. I know that this will come from our own taxes (1)
shakedownblues
And it damn well should for our shameful treatment of our own damn people. (2/2)
saleos
Can't Upvote this enough!
reverendleonard
Aurasyr
In my city, the site of our old residential school is now a senior's home, one of the only ones equipped to deal with patients with severe-
Aurasyr
Alzheimer's disease. It is still owned by the church, and no GPR has been used to seek forgotten graves here, but I hope that happens.
usernamemustbe4characterslonng
Take away their tax exemption
TheWarHymn
Anglican Church too.
WTT24
Defund catholic school boards in Canada. It's long overdue.
ThisGuyPostingThings
I've been of that opinion for decades now. Also, merge English and French school boards, mandate them to offer both, as needed/reasonable.
WTT24
I'm surprised it hasn't already happened. It would be a long process, but would save a ton of money in the long run.
ThisGuyPostingThings
The main reasons I see it not happening: pandering to certain voting blocks, and using the split boards to weaken teachers' unions' power.
WTT24
Bingo! It's definitely politics, not logic.
lestasi
Protestants too, not to the extent of Catholic involvement but all denominations were involved.
ProfessionalTiddyToucher
It's not just the church. They were hired by the government to run the schools (day to day). Not only were the polices set out by the gov1/?
ProfessionalTiddyToucher
Abhorrent. They new about and didn't care to do anything about the conditions and what was happening. Both the Gov. And the church
shaizina
Ownership is complicated https://globalnews.ca/news/7970651/finding-residential-school-graves-complicated/
N0MamesGuey
17 residential schools and 114 day schools. Hopefully tribes can sue for and punish the church in someway.
Pseudosim
mass murder happened on the grounds, hidden, and the church is complicit. seems fairly straightforward to me.
TP4cornholio456
It's not just about the church - it's also that colonials are part of Gov or own industries and not held accountable.
OwenWorrall
Having connections with aboriginals in canada, i can tell you many have been offered money already but thats not what its about for them.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
And what about the Canadian government which ran and funded all of this?
onlypetunia
Agree, blaming the church is right, but the government makes the laws
Virri
Technically, they are acknowledging it and apologizing. Some gestures to reconciliation have begun but it will never right the wrongs. 1/2
Virri
They also have been more aware of, and open about, Indigenous issues in Canada recently and while more needs to be done, it's a start.
OctaviusClausewitz
Crimes against humanity and selective, delliberate genocide. To the International Criminal Court in Hague !
TheToasterIsLaughingAtMe
Send Trump too.
Crazywelderguy
You're not wrong, but who do they try? I'd assume a fair majority of those responsible are dead. Or would it be more of a symbolic thing?
CountMontagueDub
This happened in my country too. 800 baby bodies dumped in septic tanks by the catholic church. Their "sin" not savages but born "bastards"
CountMontagueDub
Their mothers taken and imprisoned in "homes". There has to be reckoning and it does need to be recognised that all of went along at the ..
CountMontagueDub
Time. The people who facilitated this may not be around but the scumbag church still is. They need to be stripped of all they have..
CountMontagueDub
Removed from any areas of influence and kept as far away from children as possible. The last of these "homes" closed in 1996 too...
CountMontagueDub
I can't believe this was still happening to women and babies while I was still at school. I'm not a religious man but..
CountMontagueDub
If theres any such thing as peace for those little ones, I really hope they are ok. Fuck, it breaks my heart just typing this shit.
BigOChicago
I can't do much, but will upvote for awareness.
Youareacrappyscarecrow
The British Crown is culpable.
spiceass9000
I’m not sure anyone really can except make sure it never happens again by learning about it.. so fucked
ExcuseMeIAmAnApple
Link to an org that helps residential school survivors. Located in British Columbia. Please donate if you can https://www.irsss.ca/
IDoPictureStuff
If your Canadian please sign. We can't ignore this.http://chng.it/GvnMq5pWtr
shaizina
I wonder if people around the word reach out to their representatives and put pressure on the church to release their records?
SensitiveShiori
i will contact my representative and do what i can
Blank1612
Not much church left here, other than the cultural things being kept alive
speculaas
I don’t understand why the RCMP isn’t raiding them for the records. You don’t just ask a criminal politely to pass over evidence
BarbersDaughter
The RCMP played a large part in the forcible removal of Indigenous kids from their homes. The call is literally coming from inside the house
EddyWantok
As a First Nations Aussie, unfortunately that will not have any effect on the actions of the Holy Roma See.
sicksteanein
No. But it will be the final push for some to renounce their allegiance to this institution. I went to Catholic schools growing up. When...
sicksteanein
The reports of the child molestation came out I resolved to never even consider allowing myself or my children to participate in any of...
sicksteanein
Their activities: schooling, wedding etc. There will be lots like me as a result of these revelations.
deadshine
People that carried this out are still alive. They should be held accountable for this and anyone else that was aware and kept silent.
deadshine
We hold our heads high as Canadians and judge others when there are dark deeds like these which are white washed.
Tamaril
Maybe this is why Canadians say sorry all the time? Apologizing for the unknown dark deeds
geesetreats
An entire culture was essentially eradicated through residential schools. This is Canada's genocide.
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dontrike
Yes, they both exist, you got downvoted for whataboutism.
TaraPol
naytorin
Dozens of cultures.
ProfessionalTiddyToucher
This, so much this also dozens if not hundreds
circlebreaker
Not eradicated, there's a baby boom on reserves and in the native community in general. Great effort is being dedicated to preserving the 1/
naytorin
I guarantee you, several of the Nations are completely extinct.
themagiciantarotcard
It was a holocaust. And like many genocides, we don't have the exact numbers because the victims weren't treated like actual human people.
circlebreaker
traditional cultures among those with the knowledge including those who are fluent in the languages. There's hope springing anew. 2/2
Tootsie1
Don't white wash what happened. It was genocide. It happened in Canada. It happened in America. It was wrong. Plain and simple
TheWarHymn
Wow, I didn't know alcoholism and poverty were part of their traditional culture. /s
NightPainPoe
Canada has a lot of predators thriving off the neglect of these people. Highway of Tears still takes so many people.
FrozenCoast
The highway of tears is progressive. It takes all women regardless of race.
Paragonical
Also worth keeping in mind the trauma caused by these schools are still passed on https://www.health.com/condition/ptsd/generational-trauma
Stackr1
I have yet to hear one person say “just let it go”. This is getting massive press (as it should). Canadians are stunned and ashamed. I am.
BarbersDaughter
Cdns shouldn't be stunned, that is insulting. The TRC report came out 6 yrs ago after yrs of research...willfully ignorant is what Cdns r
license2kilt
Even the pastor of my Catholic church, told us we (as a Church) have to own these egregious sins, atone for them, and strive to be better.
catweasels
I'm indigenous, I have had more people than I can count say "just get over it. It was so long ago. They/you guys just want more money)
BarbersDaughter
I am sorry ppl speak to you like that. And fuck the 2 motherfuckers who downvoted this.
Habfan18
Well, then those people are cunts. I’m sorry you have to face comments like that on top these tragedies. I hope it’s all brought to light.
Demidog669
I'm not ashamed. I had no part in this and anyone who is suprised by humans being savages especially religous nuts are ignorant to the world
LunaticLegostone
I love how people like you always think it's about guilt and shame. You absolutely can't imagine people voluntarily trying to be better.
BarbersDaughter
Are you empathetic? Sympathetic? Do you see the systemic racism towards Indigenous in our country? Are u mad we were taught an alt history?
BarbersDaughter
You're not ashamed...who the fuck asked for your shame? You had no hand in the past but you sure as fuck do in the present and future.
Demidog669
Empathetic, yes. Sympathetic, no. And yes I do. And it wasn't an alt history they just failed to bring up the genocide part which is disgust
Choix77
More example how the world would be a better place without organised religion. Just saying.
Demidog669
It doesn't matter. Humans are garbage and we always will be. We will always come up with a reason to slaughter one another.
thylumberjack
This issue is a 50/50 split between church and government.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
People find a way to hate and reason to blame for their hate
doesntmatter
I am not 100% certain, but I think this is another one of nationalism's shoulders. If it wasn't Catholic schools it would have been 1/
doesntmatter
state schools like it was here in Sweden. 2/2
mtbelley
The children were also used in experiments about starvation and non nutritious foods. Just to name a couple.
guitarfourtysix
how about just to name a source.
cephalopodrex
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941673/ Here's a great science article regarding that topic.
mtbelley
The federal government responsible for this. I know people who work for the Canadian government. These were only a couple of things.
guitarfourtysix
Nice story. This is Imgur, not Fox.
mtbelley
And since Imgur is prob more trustworthy then Fox, over 10 years ago I worked for the Fed Gov't and friends told me. Like the article shared
TheSwedishMoose
"I know a guy" lmao
guitarfourtysix
LOL exactly !
catweasels
I'll have to find the links, but its true. Also forced sterilization even just a few years ago
guitarfourtysix
Thanks, catweasels. The press isn't providing any details about the "abuse". I see them below, this is horrid.
catweasels
Just the tip of the iceberg unfortunately... the rapes, beatings, infanticide, dehuminization, the mental abuse. All starting at 4 years old
catweasels
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5102981
catweasels
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Nations_nutrition_experiments
catweasels
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3941673/
catweasels
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_sterilization_in_Canada
ThailandExpress
So when can we add the Catholic Church to the terrorism watch list?
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
We'd have to add the canada government to that list as well
Demidog669
It's gonna be a big list if were adding histories genocidal governments to this list.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
That list is gonna be super long
ConstantlyonYoBack
Also the Irish government.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
... Oh?
ConstantlyonYoBack
Yes there were loads of babies and children of unwed mothers found in unmarked graves, some in a septic tank next to a catholic church home.
LandiniusMaximus
Isn't calling them indians wrong? I'm european so I'm not completely sure about this..
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HisDudness
That is...completely and utterly wrong. Herodotus in 5th century BCE Greece coined the name 'Indians'. It has always meant people from India
Findrek
Not universal I'm sure, but when I (US white guy) have been on res they insisted indian is what they prefer. Many times, not one guy either.
Quincy80
Indian is still used on a number of official departments due to legacy laws.
CoeurFranc
Yes but the official name of the law covering First Nations matters is simian act. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Act
doesntmatter
In Canada, yes, but it's the term preferred by Indians in the USA (although that review is probably 10-15 years old now).
diablo1gsxr
Indians are from India. Literally. First nation, natives, aboriginals, inuits, ingenious, metis, etc etc are them.
TheWarHymn
Not even - 'India' is refer to as Bharat in their constitution, and it has a bunch of other traditional names, none of them close to the /
TheWarHymn
name that their British colonizers decided to give them.
japh
It's not so simple as that. Broadly, it's not inherently wrong, but it depends. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh88fVP2FWQ
japh
I'm far south Canada and it's common for people to describe themselves as "Indian" or "American Indian", but not everyone feels the same.
KingKelloggTheWaffleHaggler
So I'm only apart native American but in the US most don't care.
mtraiders1973
You would be wrong….
Eowyyn
First Nations or Indigenous/Native is often preferred but many also use the identifier Indian & there are programs and orgs that use it too.
WilliamWeird
As dumb as it is, it is still a term used in legal definition - ie. the Indian Act
BeerAndChips
I've heard some FNMI folk call themselves Indian. I don't correct them, but I sure as shit don't call them "Indians" myself
WilliamWeird
I feel it's halfway between an older generation colloquialism and a self-reclaimed slur. ("NDN", "Tribe Called Red", etc)
BeerAndChips
That sounds about right.
HisDudness
It's like using the term aboriginal to describe First Nationers; it is the correct usage, but it's mainly associated with Australian folks.
shaizina
Yes. Depending on where the tribe is they can be indigenous, Inuit, and I believe first nations is acceptable. I only used "Indian's" (1/2
hotrodlady
For legal purposes the term indian needs to stick around due to the "Indian act" but we don't use it when talking about the actual people
twozerooz
First Nations is the generally accepted terminology.
thylumberjack
First nations because they were here before us. Indigenous because they were here before us. Inuit is largely in the territories.
shaizina
Because it was literally in there mission statement.
caitlinmeeooww
It was literally “to beat the Indian out of the child”. This whole thing is just disgusting
thatmugthatsyourfavourite
Indigenous is addressing all First Nations, Metis, and Inuit peoples. First Nations, Metis, and Inuit are not interchangeable titles
thatmugthatsyourfavourite
https://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/terminology/ they use Aboriginal instead of Indigenous, but my FN profs requested Indigenous
LandiniusMaximus
Ahhh okay :) I call them native americans until I know their tribe name or their own name..
mtraiders1973
Thank you. When people ask I always tell them either Native American or Blackfoot/Blackfeet.
catweasels
Indigenous is the best blanket term. Covers all First Nation's, Inuit, and Métis
LandiniusMaximus
Thank you :)
thylumberjack
Indigenous is usually the best term to use. Second to First Nations. Native American is widely used in the US but not too much in Canada.
LandiniusMaximus
Thank you.. It's always good to learn these things :)
HisDudness
But wouldn't they also be Native Americans since that's the continent's name? Also the fact a couple of cultural areas crossed the 1/
HisDudness
Canadian-U.S. border? I know the Great Plains extended up a little and the North-west Coast went from Northern California to Alaska. 2/2
thylumberjack
They are but it isn't a term we use, as I stated.
kwyjjibo
Sure, but it is nondescript. ANY person born in North America is "Native American". Indigenous/First Nations because they migrated here 1st