Nov 18, 2020 12:59 AM
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Ketheres
I buy decently expensive boots and they last me about half a year. On the other hand the cheap shoes last less than a month and ruin my feet
woozle
damn.
Isi151e
IM BROKE NIGGA IM BROKE
ProfessorMatt
"Art is the lie that tells the truth." - Pablo Picasso
Noughmad
While this is true, it is (unfortunately) not the only way in which poor people are kept poor.
LuckySanka
A grandfather once said, we are too poor to buy cheap stuff
ItsMyFirstDayAtThePank
Yes, it is very expensive to be poor.
Eldibs
PTerry understood people like very few writers ever had.
SomeGiantIdiot
DidItForScience
But poor people have more money than Trump according to Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCer9g-fh8o
ArkoneAxon
Don't forget that Pratchett also wrote about the dangerous of police brutality in "Night Watch." And in later books he showed that, even if>
Vimes saw himself and his coppers as the good guys, other people had some issues with things that were played for laughs in the Watch books.
TheeRealDuke
I was just trying to explain this to someone about cheap plastic shit.
WhatDeanerWasTalkingAbout
You have to have money to save money.
Taxicat
Poverty charges interest.
dualplains
GNU Terry Pratchett
HisMajestySkyTroll
WardSharlow
One guy pays 30k for a car and sells it for 15k after 5 years to second guy. Both guys pay 15k, but one never spends a dollar on repairs.
TheStaffmaster
And then can save 15K on the next one, because he didn't have to actually earn it and can pay it upfront thus lowering the overall interest.
AawesomeAardvaark
Except a 15k car should last way more than 5 years. I'm currently driving an 07 that I got for 8k and plan to drive for 5-10 more years.
I bought it in 2015 for 8k so already have 5 years owning it.
Saigon333
That’s because most economists seem to spend their time trying to find a way to blame the poor.
tiesbows
If anyone likes this you should look at Nickel and Dimed,I highly recommend!
Filanwizard
And this is why you see so many ancient toyotas on the road. its kinda shitty but its what they can afford and it always works.
And if job requires car, than a 20yr old Corolla still hits the spot. And because its a toyota it will always run.
in the service manual of the Toyota Corolla, under expected oil type to use in the engine, it states: "Optional."
StopTheWorldIWannaGetOff
Started re-reading all the Watch-books. Detritus standing up after Cuddy's death still makes me choke up and giggle at the same time.
FeloniousMonk13
Just began reading Color of Magic, first time reading TP. Pretty cool so far, kinda reminds me of D. Adams but fantasy instead of sci-fi
angrytransgirl
You're in for a great trip, friend.
Kerberos623
they are great books. I like the ones with the nightwatch in them the best.
AgnosticPaladin
Keep going, the first books are not that polished, but you'll be glad you did later.
Yeah, the later books are better.
Turbolibros
Iwouldbenick
I was extremely poor at one point. Lost a lot of weight.
toxcrusadr
This is it. Poor people pay more.
jamiewritesfic
I was actually homeless for 2 years, (over a decade ago, don't worry) and that was even more expensive than being poor. It's kinda crazy.
His book, "The Fire Next Time" https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-fire-next-time-e190097748.html
deadlybronies
Please please explain this to my mum
Subutia
Quality that will last costs more in the short term but will have long term returns. But current pressures can force bad and cheap.
CGWN
Much of Pratchett's writing - jolly though it seemed - was powered by a world class cynicism and mistrust of what Man has made of Himself.
jasondkav19706
I think it came from writing press releases for the nuclear power industry.
avavilina
I feel like the special thing about Pratchett was that he would be cynical without being misanthropic. He could show us our failings 1/2
while also challenging us to improve. Looks at characters like Brutha, or William De Worde, or Vimes. Not perfect, but trying to to better.
laiskamato
He knew that we need fantasy to be the place where the falling angel merta the rising ape.
*meets
deathmagiks
This is probably the most succinct expression of the hope fantasy inherently brings with it. I'm going to use this, thank you.
Here's the full context: https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/583655-hogfather <3
I've listened to most of these on audio book. Before COVID I was driving about 40 hours a month.
I can barely keep up with audiobooks - esp. STP - when i'm taking the bus :D Then again, EN is my 2nd language.
Musicmonkay
I grew up poor, have a nice paying job as a social worker now,but I still get scolded by my wife for making choices like this.It’s ingrained
JustHereToUpvoteThings
I keep trying to remind myself I need to buy the better shoes. Those ingrained in thought processes are hard to change.
Haha yes, shoes are definitely one of those things for me too...
DarkMagic1516
Basically poor people can only afford crapy made stuff thats breaks quickly so they are forced to by more of what they can afford.
Insult from one uk politician to another 'he's so common he had to buy his own furniture' (as opposed to inheriting high quality stuff)
Idc were I'd come from I'd want to buy my own furniture rather then get old dusty and not in my taste furniture.
UrbanNorthern
The wet feet and torn boots caused a broken ankle & infection, which resulted in Vimes being fired and accumulating $10,000 in medical debt?
OperationRustysBlanket
Bwahaha said the rabid capitalist
snowglobeshaker
Ziabatsu
"A leg injury being the only time Vimes prefers medical quacks to the horse doctor he normally uses."
kaitco1984
Or perhaps, he went back to school so he could earn enough for proper boots, and amounted $20K in debt, only to not be able to find a job.
IconicM
Nah, he just married a rich lady instead. Way easier!
TheN8
But still fraught with danger, on account of the exploding dragons.
SirenBrick
OCCASIONALLY exploding Dragons
MisterSunny
Fantasy fiction, one of the best ways to shine a light on the real world.
Ogre42
I escape to fantasy worlds all the time. when im talking to someone about something deep I tend to paraphrase anecdotes from something read
BeccaZican
Anecdotes are antidotes
modicumjones
Social commentary fiction, the true root of both great fantasy and great sci-fi
TheDamDog
His commentary on gender roles and the nature of gender through Dwarf society is interesting too. Cheery is a great character.
(it's a goddamn shame they ruined it in the new series.)
HedonistBeard
(There is no new series, that's just a communal nightmare shared by fans waiting for an actual series).
Tinisgrandpa
Jonathon Swift wrote about war in Lilliput to mock Catholic-Protestant conflict without being thrown in prison.
NakedGalaxy
Had an assignment in a college lit class where we had to mimic his essay about the Irish. It was my favorite assignment, only one I remember
thundercactus
I've started enough hobbies to know that if you just buy the entry level stuff, you're just gonna cost yourself a ton of money.
"Never forget: Your gun was made by the lowest bidder." -Unofficial U.S. Military advice to new recruits.
MK14 torpedo. "It's too good to fail, and it's expensive, we don't need to test it"
*narrator* The MK14 was, infact, a hyped-up, overpriced failure.
wait.....I have something for this.... https://i.imgflip.com/4mttei.jpg
Lipwigzer
He hands down has some of the most profound reflections on the human experience.
flamingflamingo
Funny writing, spot-on satire, social commentary, moral lessons, rich fantasy, philosophical contemplation: his books had everything.
RonFuckinSwanson
*have. The man may have departed us to soar among the starts with Great A'tuin, but his books remain.
yesallthegoodnamesweretaken
Could you recommend one to me? What's your favourite ? There are so many, I don't really know where to start !
Navrodel
I've always been a fan of Going Postal. Includes this gem: "Who would put a known criminal in charge of a public office, aside from >
> the average voter." (lightly paraphrased)
My personal favorite is reaperman, but I was first exposed to Discworld through the BBC movie Hogfather (based on the book).
Yoggington
I wouldn't start at the start, it's not till the third or fourth when he really gets into it. Hogfather (no.20) is as good a place as any.
SavageFilthy
Read Guards! Guards! The first Vimes-s book, fantastic read and a bit more approachable that Pratchetts first chronological book.
the arcs by general theme, tossup between the city watch and industrial revolution ones for my favorites
asdykeasadutchdam
the books are mostly stand alone, but do follow a chronological order, so start at the beginning for the full experience.
and clear the next several months of your off time, because you will get hooked.
quagma
The first few books are him hitting his stride and feeling things out, more direct parody of fantasy novels, so bit tougher there.
Nihilr
This makes sense to me, coming from a reservation. Seeing and having to make these sort of choices because it was better in the short term..
orangeisthenewbasic
How come a Toyota lasts way longer than a BMW?
fafnir77
Like dollar store toilet paper, $.99 a roll, lasts a week an makes your butt bleed. Costco giant pack costs $20 but you get 60 rolls
MyRespectableAlterEgo
Payday Lenders exploit this - and you know they're doing it while it happens. Feels bad.
a form of survival. Or in watching my mother choose to spend her paycheck on a month’s worth of groceries for us instead of good shoes with
proper support that she could use in her physical labor job. It becomes a way of life that I still find hard to let go of.
johnvictor
Some of those lessons are good to hold onto as they may be steeped in good money management and it's hard to let go, still a decade later.
Zhagtin
Sir Terry's eye for the universal human condition was astounding.
redindian3922718
Me too. Rez Mamma. Food from No Frills, never Safeway. Walk to work 4 seasons. No veh. Had to feed my kids, pay bills.
AnythingMuchShorter
And on the flip side, there are lots of ways to make a lot of money once you have money. All kinds of weird tricks.
For example, you can give yourself a 1% interest loan out of your own mutual fund to avoid paying the capital gains of taking out money.
Reality of Indian Reserve life: + water...
HaHaHa...Indian Reserve. Isolation. 1 maybe 2 × to town/supplies. Cash/ supplies/bills/kids@ 15/hr. Been at it since wages were at 8 minWage
JeSuisIvre
Yeah, once you get a certain amount of money, your money just makes more money. You don't have to try anymore.
A basic example is owning a house, in my area rent on a 2 bedroom apartment and mortgage payments on a good size nice house are about the
Ketheres
I buy decently expensive boots and they last me about half a year. On the other hand the cheap shoes last less than a month and ruin my feet
woozle
damn.
Isi151e
IM BROKE NIGGA IM BROKE
ProfessorMatt
"Art is the lie that tells the truth." - Pablo Picasso
Noughmad
While this is true, it is (unfortunately) not the only way in which poor people are kept poor.
LuckySanka
A grandfather once said, we are too poor to buy cheap stuff
ItsMyFirstDayAtThePank
Yes, it is very expensive to be poor.
Eldibs
PTerry understood people like very few writers ever had.
SomeGiantIdiot
DidItForScience
But poor people have more money than Trump according to Trump. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCer9g-fh8o
ArkoneAxon
Don't forget that Pratchett also wrote about the dangerous of police brutality in "Night Watch." And in later books he showed that, even if>
ArkoneAxon
Vimes saw himself and his coppers as the good guys, other people had some issues with things that were played for laughs in the Watch books.
TheeRealDuke
I was just trying to explain this to someone about cheap plastic shit.
WhatDeanerWasTalkingAbout
You have to have money to save money.
Taxicat
Poverty charges interest.
dualplains
GNU Terry Pratchett
HisMajestySkyTroll
GNU Terry Pratchett
WardSharlow
One guy pays 30k for a car and sells it for 15k after 5 years to second guy. Both guys pay 15k, but one never spends a dollar on repairs.
TheStaffmaster
And then can save 15K on the next one, because he didn't have to actually earn it and can pay it upfront thus lowering the overall interest.
AawesomeAardvaark
Except a 15k car should last way more than 5 years. I'm currently driving an 07 that I got for 8k and plan to drive for 5-10 more years.
AawesomeAardvaark
I bought it in 2015 for 8k so already have 5 years owning it.
Saigon333
That’s because most economists seem to spend their time trying to find a way to blame the poor.
tiesbows
If anyone likes this you should look at Nickel and Dimed,I highly recommend!
Filanwizard
And this is why you see so many ancient toyotas on the road. its kinda shitty but its what they can afford and it always works.
Filanwizard
And if job requires car, than a 20yr old Corolla still hits the spot. And because its a toyota it will always run.
TheStaffmaster
in the service manual of the Toyota Corolla, under expected oil type to use in the engine, it states: "Optional."
StopTheWorldIWannaGetOff
Started re-reading all the Watch-books. Detritus standing up after Cuddy's death still makes me choke up and giggle at the same time.
FeloniousMonk13
Just began reading Color of Magic, first time reading TP. Pretty cool so far, kinda reminds me of D. Adams but fantasy instead of sci-fi
angrytransgirl
You're in for a great trip, friend.
Kerberos623
they are great books. I like the ones with the nightwatch in them the best.
AgnosticPaladin
Keep going, the first books are not that polished, but you'll be glad you did later.
ArkoneAxon
Yeah, the later books are better.
Turbolibros
Iwouldbenick
I was extremely poor at one point. Lost a lot of weight.
toxcrusadr
This is it. Poor people pay more.
jamiewritesfic
I was actually homeless for 2 years, (over a decade ago, don't worry) and that was even more expensive than being poor. It's kinda crazy.
DidItForScience
His book, "The Fire Next Time" https://www.pdfdrive.com/the-fire-next-time-e190097748.html
deadlybronies
Please please explain this to my mum
Subutia
Quality that will last costs more in the short term but will have long term returns. But current pressures can force bad and cheap.
CGWN
Much of Pratchett's writing - jolly though it seemed - was powered by a world class cynicism and mistrust of what Man has made of Himself.
jasondkav19706
I think it came from writing press releases for the nuclear power industry.
avavilina
I feel like the special thing about Pratchett was that he would be cynical without being misanthropic. He could show us our failings 1/2
avavilina
while also challenging us to improve. Looks at characters like Brutha, or William De Worde, or Vimes. Not perfect, but trying to to better.
laiskamato
He knew that we need fantasy to be the place where the falling angel merta the rising ape.
laiskamato
*meets
deathmagiks
This is probably the most succinct expression of the hope fantasy inherently brings with it. I'm going to use this, thank you.
laiskamato
Here's the full context: https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/583655-hogfather <3
deathmagiks
I've listened to most of these on audio book. Before COVID I was driving about 40 hours a month.
laiskamato
I can barely keep up with audiobooks - esp. STP - when i'm taking the bus :D Then again, EN is my 2nd language.
Musicmonkay
I grew up poor, have a nice paying job as a social worker now,but I still get scolded by my wife for making choices like this.It’s ingrained
JustHereToUpvoteThings
I keep trying to remind myself I need to buy the better shoes. Those ingrained in thought processes are hard to change.
Musicmonkay
Haha yes, shoes are definitely one of those things for me too...
DarkMagic1516
Basically poor people can only afford crapy made stuff thats breaks quickly so they are forced to by more of what they can afford.
jasondkav19706
Insult from one uk politician to another 'he's so common he had to buy his own furniture' (as opposed to inheriting high quality stuff)
DarkMagic1516
Idc were I'd come from I'd want to buy my own furniture rather then get old dusty and not in my taste furniture.
UrbanNorthern
The wet feet and torn boots caused a broken ankle & infection, which resulted in Vimes being fired and accumulating $10,000 in medical debt?
OperationRustysBlanket
Bwahaha said the rabid capitalist
snowglobeshaker
Ziabatsu
"A leg injury being the only time Vimes prefers medical quacks to the horse doctor he normally uses."
kaitco1984
Or perhaps, he went back to school so he could earn enough for proper boots, and amounted $20K in debt, only to not be able to find a job.
IconicM
Nah, he just married a rich lady instead. Way easier!
TheN8
But still fraught with danger, on account of the exploding dragons.
SirenBrick
OCCASIONALLY exploding Dragons
MisterSunny
Fantasy fiction, one of the best ways to shine a light on the real world.
Ogre42
I escape to fantasy worlds all the time. when im talking to someone about something deep I tend to paraphrase anecdotes from something read
BeccaZican
Anecdotes are antidotes
modicumjones
Social commentary fiction, the true root of both great fantasy and great sci-fi
TheDamDog
His commentary on gender roles and the nature of gender through Dwarf society is interesting too. Cheery is a great character.
TheDamDog
(it's a goddamn shame they ruined it in the new series.)
HedonistBeard
(There is no new series, that's just a communal nightmare shared by fans waiting for an actual series).
Tinisgrandpa
Jonathon Swift wrote about war in Lilliput to mock Catholic-Protestant conflict without being thrown in prison.
NakedGalaxy
Had an assignment in a college lit class where we had to mimic his essay about the Irish. It was my favorite assignment, only one I remember
thundercactus
I've started enough hobbies to know that if you just buy the entry level stuff, you're just gonna cost yourself a ton of money.
TheStaffmaster
"Never forget: Your gun was made by the lowest bidder." -Unofficial U.S. Military advice to new recruits.
thundercactus
MK14 torpedo. "It's too good to fail, and it's expensive, we don't need to test it"
TheStaffmaster
*narrator* The MK14 was, infact, a hyped-up, overpriced failure.
thundercactus
wait.....I have something for this.... https://i.imgflip.com/4mttei.jpg
Lipwigzer
He hands down has some of the most profound reflections on the human experience.
flamingflamingo
Funny writing, spot-on satire, social commentary, moral lessons, rich fantasy, philosophical contemplation: his books had everything.
RonFuckinSwanson
*have. The man may have departed us to soar among the starts with Great A'tuin, but his books remain.
yesallthegoodnamesweretaken
Could you recommend one to me? What's your favourite ? There are so many, I don't really know where to start !
Navrodel
I've always been a fan of Going Postal. Includes this gem: "Who would put a known criminal in charge of a public office, aside from >
Navrodel
> the average voter." (lightly paraphrased)
flamingflamingo
My personal favorite is reaperman, but I was first exposed to Discworld through the BBC movie Hogfather (based on the book).
Yoggington
I wouldn't start at the start, it's not till the third or fourth when he really gets into it. Hogfather (no.20) is as good a place as any.
SavageFilthy
Read Guards! Guards! The first Vimes-s book, fantastic read and a bit more approachable that Pratchetts first chronological book.
modicumjones
asdykeasadutchdam
the books are mostly stand alone, but do follow a chronological order, so start at the beginning for the full experience.
asdykeasadutchdam
and clear the next several months of your off time, because you will get hooked.
quagma
The first few books are him hitting his stride and feeling things out, more direct parody of fantasy novels, so bit tougher there.
Nihilr
This makes sense to me, coming from a reservation. Seeing and having to make these sort of choices because it was better in the short term..
orangeisthenewbasic
How come a Toyota lasts way longer than a BMW?
fafnir77
Like dollar store toilet paper, $.99 a roll, lasts a week an makes your butt bleed. Costco giant pack costs $20 but you get 60 rolls
MyRespectableAlterEgo
Payday Lenders exploit this - and you know they're doing it while it happens. Feels bad.
Nihilr
a form of survival. Or in watching my mother choose to spend her paycheck on a month’s worth of groceries for us instead of good shoes with
Nihilr
proper support that she could use in her physical labor job. It becomes a way of life that I still find hard to let go of.
johnvictor
Some of those lessons are good to hold onto as they may be steeped in good money management and it's hard to let go, still a decade later.
Zhagtin
Sir Terry's eye for the universal human condition was astounding.
redindian3922718
Me too. Rez Mamma. Food from No Frills, never Safeway. Walk to work 4 seasons. No veh. Had to feed my kids, pay bills.
AnythingMuchShorter
And on the flip side, there are lots of ways to make a lot of money once you have money. All kinds of weird tricks.
AnythingMuchShorter
For example, you can give yourself a 1% interest loan out of your own mutual fund to avoid paying the capital gains of taking out money.
redindian3922718
Reality of Indian Reserve life: + water...
redindian3922718
HaHaHa...Indian Reserve. Isolation. 1 maybe 2 × to town/supplies. Cash/ supplies/bills/kids@ 15/hr. Been at it since wages were at 8 minWage
JeSuisIvre
Yeah, once you get a certain amount of money, your money just makes more money. You don't have to try anymore.
AnythingMuchShorter
A basic example is owning a house, in my area rent on a 2 bedroom apartment and mortgage payments on a good size nice house are about the