Tesla wasn't founded by Musk, it has used $40bn of US taxpayer money in government subsidies, it employs 125,000 people, and those people are US citizens with families and livelihoods. Teslas aren't perfect, nor perfectly safe - yet the majority of them are decent EVs *despite* Elon's best efforts.
The Cybertruck/Wankpanzer is Elon's vanity project and it appeals only to egotistical assholes. Direct your vandalism to those, not the family cars.
Most vehicles won't even burn unless you REALLY go out of your way to start a fire. Like you gotta douse the inside with gasoline/oil to even get them to burn. Or you need to leave them directly next to a massive raging blaze.
But Tesla's just seem to ignite and go off like fireworks, even causing chain reactions in the dealership parking lots.
The battery packs are underneath, if something were to explode under the car just powerfully enough to PUNCTURE one of those packs, the rest will all go up as well.
They are lithium ion battery packs. 21700 cells. They are vulnerable to heat and fire. So yeah... an M-80 or other powerful fireworks could penetrate the pack.
I don’t think so, maybe an m80 but Ive never messed with one. They don’t really exist here in Canada (even on the rez). Like I said before, likely a firecracker set off an accelerant under the car. A great way to do it. Burning a decent amount of gasoline under a Tesla will certainly do it.
Knowing full well that they go up so easily, I also believe Musk can set whichever shitbox he wants on fire, whenever. That's my contribution to the conspiracy pool.
Couple weeks back I heard some sirens when putting my youngest to bed. Turns out someone speeding in a Tesla nearby, lost control, drove over a grass median & took out a couple trees, drove into the oncoming lane (luckily no cars), jumped curb & another tree, and finally crashed into the corner of a house. The flames were higher than the house. Both people in the car died. https://wgntv.com/news/dupage-county/2-killed-in-woodridge-late-sunday-night-after-car-crashes-into-home-bursts-into-flames/
Look, it's one thing when it's at a dealership but now you're just damaging peoples' property and risking hurting bystanders. Most likely other people who care about the environment and bought the cars years ago before Elon went crazy.
I think as Canadian it’s different. The car represents trump, the person who wants to annex and subjugate us. Those cars should be fair game. Anybody who counts themselves as Canadian should get rid of the car. You don’t just get to drive around in a fucking nazi symbol here. No fuck that. I get that in America you guys tolerate that kind of shit. But we are not you.
Yeah he wants to subjugate us too, you know that right? You're still hurting the wrong people. You might be rich enough to go get another car at any time but most of us aren't.
The people you're saying to hurt are mostly the ones who voted against him. And your *own* people didn't even get a vote. But I'm wasting my breath, you're showing the same nationalist hatred as Trump himself.
You say that but we will go into gorilla warfare if you try. You should learn why the Geneva Convention was created. It had a little something to do with us. You know, homemade napalm burns to the bone even in the Canadian winter
*Guerilla. It’s the Spanish for ‘little war’. Guerilla tactics were used by small, loosely organized and lightly armed forces against a large organized oppressive force, not by citizens amongst each other because of the particular brand of car they owned.
Can we not destroy people's property. A dealership is one thing, but you don't know when they bought that car; not everyone can run out and buy a new one right away.
Idk man, it's hard to sympathize after the double salute on international TV. You could reasonably not know anything about the douche if you didn't use twitter, but like, they're giving money to an open nazi at this point. Same with the tesla and twitter employees that stuck around. Most of us work for assholes, but if my boss starts throwing Heil hitlers I'm out.
Fair point. I feel for the individual. However, they will be reimbursed with insurance.
Honestly, I can’t believe it and I hate to say it b/c it’s so far beyond what I thought possible for me to say or believe, but at this point, if it takes some personal property destruction to show resistance and protest the evil that is musk and trump, I’m all for it.
If you got a swastica and you get your shit destroyed I don’t car. This is a Swasticar. Plus that guys best friend Trump is threatening violence against my country. I know the law and this isnt lawful, but fair game.
Yeah, counter point. You burn a person's car tesla already got their money. If a dealership takes the hit then it's just out of teslas pockets. It's more effective and less likely to turn people against it.
then you shouldnt have bought the swasticar in the first place. "oh but i already owned it" tough shit. sell it or scrap it or hope your insurance doesnt fuck you when it gets torched.
Not everyone is financially secure enough to do that. Trading in a car for a new one isn't always feasible. On the other hand, we all knew he was by the time Cybertrucks rolled out to market so there are no excuses there. But as recently as 5 years ago he only looked like a demented billionaire like Bill Gates and I was still lusting after a Tesla. That time has passed.
Oh poor you. Rich enough to own a tesla but too poor to do anything about it. What would you need to sacrifice? Your YT premium and HBO 😆. No you’re stupid for buying a shit car. Now you gotta deal with the extra baggage of driving around in a nazi symbol. I feel bad for people with real problems, like people who can’t afford a Tesla.
So that's what your anger is about.... My used tesla purchase pisses you off because you could not afford it.
I bought it because of all the driving I was doing for emergency foster parenting and the gas cost was oppressive. (Taking kids all over the city every day to keep them in their schools) And I felt bad about the emissions. Got it to save money and the environment.
I thought you were all about this being anti Elon/trump? Pro Canada?
He seemed very quick to jump the gun so I'm guessing it's more about the anticipated bandwagon upvotes than actual politics. Ironically, hate stirs up people on both sides. My comment never even implied I bought one, just that I used to want to buy one. It's easy to be sanctimonious when you have nothing at stake.
You're completely right, but that sort of reasoning will get you downvoted to hell around here. The angry mob is perfectly fine with destroying another citizen's private property, even if that citizen did nothing wrong and the mob's grievance is with the property manufacturer's CEO. It's frightening, honestly. That same sort of mentality leads down a very dark road, where innocent people get harassed, ostracized, and even killed.
The mob would justify all of this, saying that because the person owned a Tesla, they were not innocent. But the mob doesn't fucking know when that Tesla was purchased, or what the person's financial situation is like. Not to mention, a person's purchase of a product does not necessarily indicate their agreement with the principles of the company or it's owner. Bezos is an ass. Musk is an ass. Zuckerberg is an ass. Gates is an ass. The Walton's are asses. But most of us still give them money.
What if its not about the person who owns it? Trump/Elon have threatened to destroy my country, with terifs, with annexation, invasion. I get that you have likely have no clue what it feels like to have America threaten you like that. I can tell you it doesn’t feel good. don’t care that some middle management yuppy lost their property. Teslas should be removed from Canada, all their infrastructure, dealerships all of it. And we start by getting people to fear owning those vehicles.
We have little other choice. Billionaire assholes are hard at work busting unions and defunding essential public services such as USPS, Canada Post, public health networks, social security nets, libraries, parks and recreation and everything else which improved quality of life for the average citizen and the less fortunate. Fairly soon, we will only have big brother Prime to look to for any need, after all tax-funded provisions are eroded away and people will die when they run short on credits
Either it wasn't a firecracker, or they're really built like absolute shit. You could throw a pack of firecrackers on my engine and it wouldn't catch fire. Either she threw an m-80 under there and it punctured the battery pack, or they're rolling death traps.
I’m a nerd and I hate Teslas, they were pieces of shit before they became Swasticars. However, I also used to watch teardowns on electric vehicles (cuz im nerdy) no firecracker I know of is gonna punch through the battery casings. They are a huge structural element of the car. Most of them are steel but even the ones that use plastics are super strong. Now that being said, you had an accelerant it could penetrate the battery.
Lithium ion batteries have a serious problem with lithium dendrites forming on the anodes. These deposits are very sharp crystals which can and do penetrate the separator and short the batteries, causing fires. It doesn't take a whole lot of shock to drive subcritical dendrites through the separator, especially if the batteries were made in an environment of poor quality control. It could be argued that the fire was a result of bad manufacturing, and the firecracker was incidental.
No dendrites did not cause a brand new Tesla to catch fire from a firecracker. If you think that then I got a bridge to sell you. Dendrites are why a Tesla has to be thrown out after 10 years because it has no range. Is it possible for a old Tesla to be dangerous? Possibly, keep in mind batteries that fail like this tend to be degraded a huge amount, more then their useful life. I used to work for a repair company and one of the things we serviced was lithium batteries for UPSs, scooters etc
I watched the cybercuck get torn down. It was shit, like all Teslas but the battery thing still holds true. Just cuz something can handle a firecracker doesn’t mean its good or safe
Yeah, I was just thinking that my old car wouldn't even go up like that, and if you've ever encountered an XJ you know that they're enthusiastic about marking their territory with every fluid you put in them.
Nothing wrong with them, not like Tesla. It’s mostly cuz people put huge exhausts on them without thinking about all the flammable Carbon fibre and plastics in the back of them. Though some of the really roided out ones have been known to do it unmodified lol
The XJ is just sharing those fluids, it doesn't need them to run. I miss my '89 XJ, that thing was insanely reliable, despite all the abuse I gave it by not knowing what I was doing.
Mine was actually a 'do you want this? I'm going to scrap it if you don't' deal and it taught me a lot. Incredibly hardy engines in those things. Got to the point where I was judging when to add more oil by the sound.
Bonus: not a lot of rust thanks to that self-undercoating feature.
I blew the water pump on mine while living in Mississippi, in the summer. Did a terrible job replacing it and, since it didn't have a radiator cap, I would remove the hose from the block while it was overheating and spray cold water directly into it. Only later did I learn how bad an idea that is. Had it been an iron, instead of magnesium block, I definitely would've cracked it.
They are rolling death traps. The doors lock. (Yes there's an emergency lever, but it's tucked away and harder to grab and even harder to find if you've never seen it) oh and they apparently don't have metal skirts protecting the battery pack.
Hi, Tesla owner here, these are all not true. Hate things all you want, but you are not immune to propaganda and nonsense like this is the same category as the cats and dogs thing Republicans were obsessed with.
The manual door lever is so easy to find that my parents keep pulling it instead of the correct release button that protects the window trim. They have multiple plastic and metal skid plates on the bottom.
The doors really aren’t that bad and the manual opens are pretty obvious. The first time I got out of one I saw it and used it cuz I didn’t know the thumb button thing yet.
You drank Elons juice I see. No electric doors like this on cars are awful. Its bad enough when BMW does this with their trunks let alone Tesla with the doors. Its stupid, car door handles should mechanically open a door unassisted by any electronics. A tiny pull tether does not count
I didn’t drink shit. But this “everything about this product I don’t like is stupid and if you don’t think it’s stupid then you are stupid” is just getting ponderous. You sound no better than a Ford guy shitting on a Chevy or the 800 variants of it
No. The investigations have shown that they literally couldn't open the doors. jfc it happened as late as last fucking week. Stop putting your head in the sand.
Four people burned to death in a Tesla in Toronto while bystanders banged on the windows, trying to get them out, and that's just one of hundreds of incidents. The fire's intensity was directly linked to Tesla's batteries. Teslas take exponentially more water to put out, and the batteries can spontaneously burst into flames AGAIN weeks later due to "thermal runaway". They're not good cars, bruv.
"don't have metal skirts protecting the battery pack"!? Are you fucking kidding me!? That means of course there's no firewall around the battery. What an overpriced deadly piece of shit.
Yup, read a story where someone ran over a paint can with a Model 3, that had fallen off a work truck and the can punctured the battery pack. Any car I own or have ever owned would have been scratched or at worse dented. A Tin metal paint can.
Im a tesla hater but I gotta explain something to you haha, cars penetrate their gasoline tanks too. Whats dangerous is having millions of vehicles in our cities, all of which either are full of flammable fuels or flammable batteries. The pollution and road centric urban fabric has ruined our cities. Additionally cars are hazardous, even parked ones.
One of the reason modern cars use fuel tanks made of plastic is because it can deform, before cracking or getting punctured. Its very hard to puncture a fuel tank. Now, fuel needs something to ignite it, and even a hot exhaust might not be enough. Meanwhile lithium will catch fire IMMEDIATELY when in contact with oxygen. Batteries are more dangerous than fuel tanks, so that a car maker doesnt put any protection on such a dangerousband easy to puncture part is highly questionable.
Yes but the point is you can build an ev better than that. You know who does? Every other ev maker. The battery in the lowly Chevy bolt is inside a heavy steel shell.
Over a span of a weird week I had seen 3 different cars pulled over on the highway on fire, always one at a time and none of them were electric. Considering that my rate of spotted vehicles on fire is less than 1 per year it seemed surreal.
Unpopular opinion: Unless someone bought the car more recently (“I bought this before Elon went crazy”), vandalism of Teslas should be reserved more for those at the dealership rather than personal owned cars.
Mmm…the products, not the people at dealerships. While I would advise people who work at Tesla to start seeking employment elsewhere ASAP if possible, I can’t blame a person who’s just trying to make money to support themselves and their family.
Other unpopular opinion: don't even burn them at Tesla dealerships. Elon gets paid by the insurance the full price, that's all the bad thing that happen to him. Let people stop buying them altogether, that's more efficient. We are doing that in Europe, apparently.
Everyone has their price, you already knew what yours was. Now you are paying the price. 2023 was more than late enough to have gone in full knowing who you were supporting. Don't blame everyone else for taking their judging you harshly.
As much as I despise Tesla, I'd really rather these weren't being set on fire, nasty chemicals now in the air + then you can't recycle any of the components.
I assume you make an exception for cyber trucks at least? There is no reason to own one of those except the idiotic slavish need to be an obedient submissive little cuck to Their Personal Lord and Savior, Elon.
I make a bit more exception to those swasticars since they did come out more recently. But given the choice, dealership cars have first priority. Always.
Yep. We bought ours in 2021 because we really care about taking action on climate change and wanted an EV with a good charging network. Alternatives to Tesla cannot compete in terms of the charging network.
As quite a few people have said, a lot of people can’t take that kind of financial loss. Of course there are also people who lease which may just be a few months short of the contract’s end which they can’t wait until they’re no longer associated with the brand any more.
It’s hard for me to drum up sympathy if you overstretch your budget for a vanity buy and now you’re stuck. There were cheaper options than buying a fucking Tesla.
For swatitruck, I’m incline to agree more. For model S and X, I’ll give a small amount of leeway. For model 3 and Y, I give more leeway as they are marketed and made as “everyday cars”, no different than a Camary or a Highlander.
You know what brings down the value of unsold teslas? Sold teslas being vandalized every day. A person should have to consider this when they buy one. And also people selling their used Teslas at a high rate will depress the value of even the unsold fleet. Additionally insurance companies will eventually have to start declining Tesla buyers or jacking their premiums, which will also depress demand for Tesla.
Ok put up or shut up. I will sell my tesla you cover the amount I am losing on it! You are clearly passionate so must be willing to make the sacrifice you are demanding of others. So ya hit up my messages and we will get an escrow sorted.
Hope the lucky musk/trump supporter likes there cheap car. Glad we are selling them a cheap car to teach them a lesson.
this is not the moral high ground anymore. If you're going to support this then you need to be ok with that. You are going to have to be ok with hurting regular, innocent people who can't afford to have their only vehicle burned while they're getting groceries for their family.
Nobody gives a fuck about moral highground when my country is invaded and half of you are in camps or deported “somewhere” The highground is watching your trash burn.
No its war. That man and his president has threatened to invade my country. They are threatening war. Even just the terrifs, hundreds of thousands of people around where I live work in the automotive manufacturing industry. He is threatening to take food from their children mouths. You drive a symbol of treason you, violence and fascism. You are a target. Don’t like it? I guess get rid of the car, if the country is worth less to you than a shitty Tesla. You’re not Canadian
Yeah it’s been a bummer being on the internet lately. Bought mine in early ‘23 because my car started acting up. Wanted a decent EV and the supercharger network reliability meant Tesla was the choice. Now I’m like a year into my planned 8 year ownership and folks are like “hey sell it or we’ll light it on fire” and I’m just trying to live my life.
Listen, I dislike Teslas but it has nothing to do with Musk or whatever (I don't like him either for the record). Regardless of what people believe, if someone vandalizes your car, they're a piece of shit. It's asinine that "we should only torch dealership cars" is an unpopular opinion. The main result of this arson/vandalism is going to be pushing normal people to oppose and view them as terrorists. They're doing nothing but damage to their cause, like the republicans and the Capital raid.
This is not protests anymore, this is a war. We have to destroy Tesla because every dollar Musk makes is literally killing people and destroying the US. That means destroying Tesla property so that no company will insure them, and driving away customers. The easiest way to do that is to light the cars on fire - would you buy one if you knew that anytime you parked in public it would be burnt? Of course not. As to those who have one, sell it or get good insurance and pit nothing important inside.
I'm gonna and a point here of saying: shitting on people because they were ignorant about something but *aren't any longer," just because you think they should've known better sooner, is petty and small-minded. I'll always encourage people to own up to the harm their ignorance may have caused in the past, but I also want to recognize that a step taken yesterday is better than a step taken never. All told: I'm sorry folks are harassing you for your Tesla. Maybe get one of those bumper stickers
To me the burning has nothing to do with the owners. I support it because its effecting Tesla, people think just because it’s not at a dealership it doesn’t matter. It does. I want people to fear owning Tesla. It’s nothing to do with people who bought pre nazi Teslas and it has everything to do with disempowering Elon but devaluing his cash cow. Between that, the social stigma and Tesla already doing badly financially its working. I hope that Tesla becomes the biggest bankrupcy in history.
Sell it cheap to a musk supporter? Give a pro musk douch a great deal on a car and loose money myself because you can't discern between a crazy ceo and a random vehicle owner?
So burn in? Just fuck the environment am I right? Huge waste of resources and emissions to do what? Make you feel good?
You are targeting the wrong people, but you are to stupid to realize it. How about pointing your anger (it's just anger) at trump/musk and there supporters?
Meh. Agree to disagree on whether it was a good purchase at the time or not. It's been a solid enough vehicle in the time I've owned it. Musk can rot. Leave me alone.
To sell it. I'm not here to engage in a conspiracy along with insurance fraud. If someone cuts me a check that offsets any losses I incur from having to sell earlier than anticipated, I'll trade it in. We can work out the amount if anyone is interested.
Tesla wasn't founded by Musk, it has used $40bn of US taxpayer money in government subsidies, it employs 125,000 people, and those people are US citizens with families and livelihoods. Teslas aren't perfect, nor perfectly safe - yet the majority of them are decent EVs *despite* Elon's best efforts.
The Cybertruck/Wankpanzer is Elon's vanity project and it appeals only to egotistical assholes. Direct your vandalism to those, not the family cars.
Yeah, "just ask your parents for a small loan", right ? There's working people with mortages and car payments. In the real world there are things like "negative equity" and "being underwater" on cars.
People with a Tesla aren't hurting for money. Well unless they are dumb enough to pay that much for a car when they can't afford it... well I guess that is pretty common, considering how many F-150s are out there.
Right.... Do you have any idea what a basic M3 costs? Do you have any idea what the average price of a car is these days? How much gas to commute costs?
SpeciousDennis
I thought the right was crazy now I think both are crazy. Maybe I'm crazy cause this is nuts.
DrSchlepenstein
Imalwaysready
Do we know she did it, or did she just happen to be there when one spontaneously combusted, as they are wont to do?
MaleProstateMilker88
Actual activism and none of this keyboard warrior bs. Very much appreciated!
hotrodny
News update: the rumours about a firecracker was not correct. The actual facts is that she gave the Tesla a stern look.
BangPowBoom
I can't condone burning someone's property because you don't like the owner of the company. This only hurts the owner of the car.
imyourrealdad
If I owned a Tesla I’d set it on fire and blame politics to get the insurance money and to get rid of the piece of junk.
McKittyNuts
Exactly 😆
captainfakeypants
People are confusing Tesla cars with Cybertrucks.
Tesla wasn't founded by Musk, it has used $40bn of US taxpayer money in government subsidies, it employs 125,000 people, and those people are US citizens with families and livelihoods. Teslas aren't perfect, nor perfectly safe - yet the majority of them are decent EVs *despite* Elon's best efforts.
The Cybertruck/Wankpanzer is Elon's vanity project and it appeals only to egotistical assholes. Direct your vandalism to those, not the family cars.
ethicalinfant
JahNoodles
Not to self: if I ever see a Tesla ass to ass in public I'm gonna GTFOutta there
testzero
Dpatgotbanned
There was no one in a mask
Johnsky
She was ON a ski mask?
PossumPoop
Canadian slang for drugs.
FoxPesdassi
I, O, easy typo. Especially since things actually *can* be ON a ski mask, so neither a spell-check nor a grammar checker would likely catch it.
GrenithTheSkald
Most vehicles won't even burn unless you REALLY go out of your way to start a fire. Like you gotta douse the inside with gasoline/oil to even get them to burn. Or you need to leave them directly next to a massive raging blaze.
But Tesla's just seem to ignite and go off like fireworks, even causing chain reactions in the dealership parking lots.
Hekatombe
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local-news/multiple-teslas-found-vandalized-at-encinitas-dealership/
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https://cnycentral.com/news/nation-world/police-multiple-cars-set-on-fire-at-tesla-service-center-in-las-vegas-lvmpd-metro-clark-county-ccfd
McKittyNuts
Imagine if no insurance companies would touch Tesla dealerships or the cars cuz of the high risk of vandalism.
clarkWhogotsanity
Rumor is most insurance companies and going to start dropping the swastitrucks soon because of the issues with them.
makeamericasmartagain9000
I didnt see anybody there
fractalsphere
The battery packs are underneath, if something were to explode under the car just powerfully enough to PUNCTURE one of those packs, the rest will all go up as well.
cytherians
They are lithium ion battery packs. 21700 cells. They are vulnerable to heat and fire. So yeah... an M-80 or other powerful fireworks could penetrate the pack.
McKittyNuts
I don’t think so, maybe an m80 but Ive never messed with one. They don’t really exist here in Canada (even on the rez). Like I said before, likely a firecracker set off an accelerant under the car. A great way to do it. Burning a decent amount of gasoline under a Tesla will certainly do it.
unremarkableasterisk
My only concern with people burning Tesla's is the environment. Not as bad as what TFG is doing to the environment so... torch away, people!
MagnumRadhard
Knowing full well that they go up so easily, I also believe Musk can set whichever shitbox he wants on fire, whenever. That's my contribution to the conspiracy pool.
Notthewatdabney
Burning teslas and stealing food. If you saw someone do it, no, you didn't.
slurredspeich
Couple weeks back I heard some sirens when putting my youngest to bed. Turns out someone speeding in a Tesla nearby, lost control, drove over a grass median & took out a couple trees, drove into the oncoming lane (luckily no cars), jumped curb & another tree, and finally crashed into the corner of a house. The flames were higher than the house. Both people in the car died.
https://wgntv.com/news/dupage-county/2-killed-in-woodridge-late-sunday-night-after-car-crashes-into-home-bursts-into-flames/
McKittyNuts
Look on the positive side. One less Tesla. Happy it didnt hurt anyone.
4etherling
It killed two people
zOriginal
A girl on a ski mask
McKittyNuts
Typical redditor
spitfires2000
Fond the difference between OP's pic and this one!
spitfires2000
*Find...
bippityboppitybuttsex
45th ID engineers FTW!
StellaMatutina
Blatant lies from the media. This a natural unscheduled disassembly, now part of the software update in all Tesla's. There is no arsonist, no crime.
Pally01
No one threw shit. That girl was playing Uno with me on the night of whatever.
chillstepx
McKittyNuts
Swasticars make for good burning
SlutAtNight
Was anyone hurt?
McKittyNuts
No
SlutAtNight
🇨🇦❣️
IconicM
Look, it's one thing when it's at a dealership but now you're just damaging peoples' property and risking hurting bystanders. Most likely other people who care about the environment and bought the cars years ago before Elon went crazy.
snarkybitch
Was thinking the same.
Imissmylurk
It was a showroom test car, not someone's personal property.
McKittyNuts
I think as Canadian it’s different. The car represents trump, the person who wants to annex and subjugate us. Those cars should be fair game. Anybody who counts themselves as Canadian should get rid of the car. You don’t just get to drive around in a fucking nazi symbol here. No fuck that. I get that in America you guys tolerate that kind of shit. But we are not you.
IconicM
Yeah he wants to subjugate us too, you know that right? You're still hurting the wrong people. You might be rich enough to go get another car at any time but most of us aren't.
McKittyNuts
Your country voted that way. He just wants to rape my country without that.
IconicM
The people you're saying to hurt are mostly the ones who voted against him. And your *own* people didn't even get a vote. But I'm wasting my breath, you're showing the same nationalist hatred as Trump himself.
PigsWeGetWhatPigsDeserve
Leon be damned, but keep your hands off of other peoples property.
McKittyNuts
Keep your hands off my country then
ethicalinfant
excuse you. Our country.
McKittyNuts
You say that but we will go into gorilla warfare if you try. You should learn why the Geneva Convention was created. It had a little something to do with us. You know, homemade napalm burns to the bone even in the Canadian winter
PigsWeGetWhatPigsDeserve
*Guerilla. It’s the Spanish for ‘little war’. Guerilla tactics were used by small, loosely organized and lightly armed forces against a large organized oppressive force, not by citizens amongst each other because of the particular brand of car they owned.
ethicalinfant
Who is us? I live here too kid.
DrenLithear
Can we not destroy people's property. A dealership is one thing, but you don't know when they bought that car; not everyone can run out and buy a new one right away.
meganical
Car insurance is required to legally drive a car in America so stop crying for someone who basically gets a brand new car
authorcalebchapman
“Won’t somebody please think of muh stuff”
magus200342
Idk man, it's hard to sympathize after the double salute on international TV. You could reasonably not know anything about the douche if you didn't use twitter, but like, they're giving money to an open nazi at this point. Same with the tesla and twitter employees that stuck around. Most of us work for assholes, but if my boss starts throwing Heil hitlers I'm out.
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Fair point. I feel for the individual. However, they will be reimbursed with insurance.
Honestly, I can’t believe it and I hate to say it b/c it’s so far beyond what I thought possible for me to say or believe, but at this point, if it takes some personal property destruction to show resistance and protest the evil that is musk and trump, I’m all for it.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
You do know insurance will not even come close to offsetting the loss? And does basically nothing to trump or musk...
Why don't you target actual musk/trump assets?
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Fair points I guess.
McKittyNuts
If you got a swastica and you get your shit destroyed I don’t car. This is a Swasticar. Plus that guys best friend Trump is threatening violence against my country. I know the law and this isnt lawful, but fair game.
DrenLithear
Yeah, counter point. You burn a person's car tesla already got their money. If a dealership takes the hit then it's just out of teslas pockets. It's more effective and less likely to turn people against it.
McKittyNuts
What do you think this does to the value of unsold Teslas if the buyer thinks a Tesla could be torched? And Whats happening to Teslas stock?
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
this guy gets it. waste your money on a tesla at your own risk.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
then you shouldnt have bought the swasticar in the first place. "oh but i already owned it" tough shit. sell it or scrap it or hope your insurance doesnt fuck you when it gets torched.
Snooj
Not everyone is financially secure enough to do that. Trading in a car for a new one isn't always feasible. On the other hand, we all knew he was by the time Cybertrucks rolled out to market so there are no excuses there. But as recently as 5 years ago he only looked like a demented billionaire like Bill Gates and I was still lusting after a Tesla. That time has passed.
McKittyNuts
Oh poor you. Rich enough to own a tesla but too poor to do anything about it. What would you need to sacrifice? Your YT premium and HBO 😆. No you’re stupid for buying a shit car. Now you gotta deal with the extra baggage of driving around in a nazi symbol. I feel bad for people with real problems, like people who can’t afford a Tesla.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
So that's what your anger is about.... My used tesla purchase pisses you off because you could not afford it.
I bought it because of all the driving I was doing for emergency foster parenting and the gas cost was oppressive. (Taking kids all over the city every day to keep them in their schools) And I felt bad about the emissions. Got it to save money and the environment.
I thought you were all about this being anti Elon/trump? Pro Canada?
Makes sense now. You are just a bitter asshole.
Snooj
He seemed very quick to jump the gun so I'm guessing it's more about the anticipated bandwagon upvotes than actual politics. Ironically, hate stirs up people on both sides. My comment never even implied I bought one, just that I used to want to buy one. It's easy to be sanctimonious when you have nothing at stake.
Snooj
I don't own a Tesla. Great speech, though.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
i dont give a shit if youre financially secure enough. wear a swastika, get shot.
Snooj
Once you hit puberty you might understand finances better.
IndependenceHallPhiladelphiaPA
ok apologist.
tinydog
You're completely right, but that sort of reasoning will get you downvoted to hell around here. The angry mob is perfectly fine with destroying another citizen's private property, even if that citizen did nothing wrong and the mob's grievance is with the property manufacturer's CEO. It's frightening, honestly. That same sort of mentality leads down a very dark road, where innocent people get harassed, ostracized, and even killed.
tinydog
The mob would justify all of this, saying that because the person owned a Tesla, they were not innocent. But the mob doesn't fucking know when that Tesla was purchased, or what the person's financial situation is like. Not to mention, a person's purchase of a product does not necessarily indicate their agreement with the principles of the company or it's owner. Bezos is an ass. Musk is an ass. Zuckerberg is an ass. Gates is an ass. The Walton's are asses. But most of us still give them money.
McKittyNuts
What if its not about the person who owns it? Trump/Elon have threatened to destroy my country, with terifs, with annexation, invasion. I get that you have likely have no clue what it feels like to have America threaten you like that. I can tell you it doesn’t feel good. don’t care that some middle management yuppy lost their property. Teslas should be removed from Canada, all their infrastructure, dealerships all of it. And we start by getting people to fear owning those vehicles.
MySushi
We have little other choice. Billionaire assholes are hard at work busting unions and defunding essential public services such as USPS, Canada Post, public health networks, social security nets, libraries, parks and recreation and everything else which improved quality of life for the average citizen and the less fortunate. Fairly soon, we will only have big brother Prime to look to for any need, after all tax-funded provisions are eroded away and people will die when they run short on credits
tinydog
"Cruelty is the point" really seems to be their philosophy.
Apothecarius
Either it wasn't a firecracker, or they're really built like absolute shit. You could throw a pack of firecrackers on my engine and it wouldn't catch fire. Either she threw an m-80 under there and it punctured the battery pack, or they're rolling death traps.
sparmek
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Imalwaysready
"Either it wasn't a firecracker, or they're really built like absolute shit."
I'll give you odds on which one it is...
philmoregraves
WELL?! we want the odds? /s
NAbsentia
Por que no los dos?
TsubakiTragic
perhaps a rescue flare... or three
Squantoon
My cousin threw a pack of them at me one time and they hit his a pillar and went off in the seat. 60 of them. All it did was fray the seat a little
clarkWhogotsanity
I'm guessing a fire cracker mixed with a glass bottle of accelerant.
mikeatike
Could be both. They really are built like shit.
HandoB4Javert
McKittyNuts
I have a feeling it was firecracker plus some accelerant like gas
mafiacarstarter
I think the accelerant was lithium ion batteries.
McKittyNuts
I’m a nerd and I hate Teslas, they were pieces of shit before they became Swasticars. However, I also used to watch teardowns on electric vehicles (cuz im nerdy) no firecracker I know of is gonna punch through the battery casings. They are a huge structural element of the car. Most of them are steel but even the ones that use plastics are super strong. Now that being said, you had an accelerant it could penetrate the battery.
mafiacarstarter
Lithium ion batteries have a serious problem with lithium dendrites forming on the anodes. These deposits are very sharp crystals which can and do penetrate the separator and short the batteries, causing fires.
It doesn't take a whole lot of shock to drive subcritical dendrites through the separator, especially if the batteries were made in an environment of poor quality control.
It could be argued that the fire was a result of bad manufacturing, and the firecracker was incidental.
McKittyNuts
No dendrites did not cause a brand new Tesla to catch fire from a firecracker. If you think that then I got a bridge to sell you. Dendrites are why a Tesla has to be thrown out after 10 years because it has no range. Is it possible for a old Tesla to be dangerous? Possibly, keep in mind batteries that fail like this tend to be degraded a huge amount, more then their useful life. I used to work for a repair company and one of the things we serviced was lithium batteries for UPSs, scooters etc
UNHchabo
Is it possible that Teslas have become cheaper and shittier since you watched those teardowns?
McKittyNuts
I watched the cybercuck get torn down. It was shit, like all Teslas but the battery thing still holds true. Just cuz something can handle a firecracker doesn’t mean its good or safe
evilcoffeechick
Yeah, I was just thinking that my old car wouldn't even go up like that, and if you've ever encountered an XJ you know that they're enthusiastic about marking their territory with every fluid you put in them.
McKittyNuts
Only cars that combust faster then Teslas are Lamborghinis
evilcoffeechick
All I know about Lamborghini is that they're sometimes nice to look at.
McKittyNuts
Nothing wrong with them, not like Tesla. It’s mostly cuz people put huge exhausts on them without thinking about all the flammable Carbon fibre and plastics in the back of them. Though some of the really roided out ones have been known to do it unmodified lol
evilcoffeechick
What the hell. Spending that much on a car and then 'nope this needs to be MORE'?
DrummerGeek0
The XJ is just sharing those fluids, it doesn't need them to run. I miss my '89 XJ, that thing was insanely reliable, despite all the abuse I gave it by not knowing what I was doing.
evilcoffeechick
Mine was actually a 'do you want this? I'm going to scrap it if you don't' deal and it taught me a lot. Incredibly hardy engines in those things. Got to the point where I was judging when to add more oil by the sound.
Bonus: not a lot of rust thanks to that self-undercoating feature.
DrummerGeek0
I blew the water pump on mine while living in Mississippi, in the summer. Did a terrible job replacing it and, since it didn't have a radiator cap, I would remove the hose from the block while it was overheating and spray cold water directly into it. Only later did I learn how bad an idea that is. Had it been an iron, instead of magnesium block, I definitely would've cracked it.
DrummerGeek0
Nevermind the magnesium part. I was told that back then, but realized I never verified it. It was cast iron, so I just got incredibly lucky.
Ionico
They are rolling death traps. The doors lock. (Yes there's an emergency lever, but it's tucked away and harder to grab and even harder to find if you've never seen it) oh and they apparently don't have metal skirts protecting the battery pack.
Isorikk
Hi, Tesla owner here, these are all not true. Hate things all you want, but you are not immune to propaganda and nonsense like this is the same category as the cats and dogs thing Republicans were obsessed with.
The manual door lever is so easy to find that my parents keep pulling it instead of the correct release button that protects the window trim. They have multiple plastic and metal skid plates on the bottom.
BlueAngel3141
RevRagnarok
I have a full EV (Kia Niro) and the bottom looks like a Matchbox car it's just one big sheet.
BlueAngel3141
The doors really aren’t that bad and the manual opens are pretty obvious.
The first time I got out of one I saw it and used it cuz I didn’t know the thumb button thing yet.
McKittyNuts
You drank Elons juice I see. No electric doors like this on cars are awful. Its bad enough when BMW does this with their trunks let alone Tesla with the doors. Its stupid, car door handles should mechanically open a door unassisted by any electronics. A tiny pull tether does not count
BlueAngel3141
I didn’t drink shit. But this “everything about this product I don’t like is stupid and if you don’t think it’s stupid then you are stupid” is just getting ponderous.
You sound no better than a Ford guy shitting on a Chevy or the 800 variants of it
Ellimem
That's why numerous people have died burning inside their Teslas because they couldn't get out.
BlueAngel3141
Or, they were already dead
Or they were too injured to get out
Or the car was so damaged the door couldn’t be opened
Or
People die in burning cars that are not Teslas quite a bit, too.
You are painting with pretty broad brush, there
Ellimem
No. The investigations have shown that they literally couldn't open the doors. jfc it happened as late as last fucking week. Stop putting your head in the sand.
hannahbutnotreally
Four people burned to death in a Tesla in Toronto while bystanders banged on the windows, trying to get them out, and that's just one of hundreds of incidents. The fire's intensity was directly linked to Tesla's batteries. Teslas take exponentially more water to put out, and the batteries can spontaneously burst into flames AGAIN weeks later due to "thermal runaway". They're not good cars, bruv.
Apothecarius
"don't have metal skirts protecting the battery pack"!? Are you fucking kidding me!? That means of course there's no firewall around the battery. What an overpriced deadly piece of shit.
Illumian85
Didn't you hear? The president said you can get one for as low as 35000
Ionico
Yup, read a story where someone ran over a paint can with a Model 3, that had fallen off a work truck and the can punctured the battery pack. Any car I own or have ever owned would have been scratched or at worse dented. A Tin metal paint can.
McKittyNuts
Im a tesla hater but I gotta explain something to you haha, cars penetrate their gasoline tanks too. Whats dangerous is having millions of vehicles in our cities, all of which either are full of flammable fuels or flammable batteries. The pollution and road centric urban fabric has ruined our cities. Additionally cars are hazardous, even parked ones.
billstranger
Punctured fuel tanks don't explode like in the movies, unless there is already fire or sparks. Punctured batteries catch fire/explode
GuyFromDeathValley
One of the reason modern cars use fuel tanks made of plastic is because it can deform, before cracking or getting punctured. Its very hard to puncture a fuel tank.
Now, fuel needs something to ignite it, and even a hot exhaust might not be enough. Meanwhile lithium will catch fire IMMEDIATELY when in contact with oxygen. Batteries are more dangerous than fuel tanks, so that a car maker doesnt put any protection on such a dangerousband easy to puncture part is highly questionable.
ThatHurts
Yes but the point is you can build an ev better than that. You know who does? Every other ev maker. The battery in the lowly Chevy bolt is inside a heavy steel shell.
Kennleth
Over a span of a weird week I had seen 3 different cars pulled over on the highway on fire, always one at a time and none of them were electric. Considering that my rate of spotted vehicles on fire is less than 1 per year it seemed surreal.
DrOsmium
Gasoline doesn't light on fire when exposed to open air. Lithium batteries, like the ones used in Teslas, will immediately catch fire if punctured.
stayingalive4life
Unpopular opinion: Unless someone bought the car more recently (“I bought this before Elon went crazy”), vandalism of Teslas should be reserved more for those at the dealership rather than personal owned cars.
juliakitten112
I think vandalize the advertisers, the dealerships can be good people too
stayingalive4life
Mmm…the products, not the people at dealerships. While I would advise people who work at Tesla to start seeking employment elsewhere ASAP if possible, I can’t blame a person who’s just trying to make money to support themselves and their family.
Klaumbaz
People know the only way to recoup the cost of one now is through insurance. Can't resell, lost value.
stayingalive4life
I mean people do what they want/need…just be prepared for the consequences if/when it comes around.
Valaar
Other unpopular opinion: don't even burn them at Tesla dealerships. Elon gets paid by the insurance the full price, that's all the bad thing that happen to him.
Let people stop buying them altogether, that's more efficient. We are doing that in Europe, apparently.
CuileannDhu
Yeah. Light them on fire at the dealer. Musk sucks but this does not harm him in any way, it just hurts some person who worked for that car.
Agouti
Everyone has their price, you already knew what yours was. Now you are paying the price. 2023 was more than late enough to have gone in full knowing who you were supporting. Don't blame everyone else for taking their judging you harshly.
RyanH42
There's no excuse at this point to still own a Tesla.
mondomar
He had been crazy since the Thai cave soccer team incident.
CompilerBreak
As much as I despise Tesla, I'd really rather these weren't being set on fire, nasty chemicals now in the air + then you can't recycle any of the components.
McKittyNuts
Well we would catch Elon on fire but he’s harder to find js
TacoPoweredHelicopter
So hurt people who may be on your side? That's some solid fucking logic.
aintnothinbutahounddog28
I assume you make an exception for cyber trucks at least? There is no reason to own one of those except the idiotic slavish need to be an obedient submissive little cuck to Their Personal Lord and Savior, Elon.
stayingalive4life
I make a bit more exception to those swasticars since they did come out more recently. But given the choice, dealership cars have first priority. Always.
schizznatt
Yep. We bought ours in 2021 because we really care about taking action on climate change and wanted an EV with a good charging network. Alternatives to Tesla cannot compete in terms of the charging network.
Howlingowl
If you haven’t ditched your Tesla by now that’s on you. You had a free pass up until the Nazi salute. Now it’s open season.
stayingalive4life
As quite a few people have said, a lot of people can’t take that kind of financial loss. Of course there are also people who lease which may just be a few months short of the contract’s end which they can’t wait until they’re no longer associated with the brand any more.
Howlingowl
It’s hard for me to drum up sympathy if you overstretch your budget for a vanity buy and now you’re stuck. There were cheaper options than buying a fucking Tesla.
stayingalive4life
For swatitruck, I’m incline to agree more. For model S and X, I’ll give a small amount of leeway. For model 3 and Y, I give more leeway as they are marketed and made as “everyday cars”, no different than a Camary or a Highlander.
Howlingowl
If you cannot immediately drop a vehicle and go buy a different one, that vehicle is outside your budget.
McKittyNuts
You know what brings down the value of unsold teslas? Sold teslas being vandalized every day. A person should have to consider this when they buy one. And also people selling their used Teslas at a high rate will depress the value of even the unsold fleet. Additionally insurance companies will eventually have to start declining Tesla buyers or jacking their premiums, which will also depress demand for Tesla.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Ok put up or shut up. I will sell my tesla you cover the amount I am losing on it! You are clearly passionate so must be willing to make the sacrifice you are demanding of others. So ya hit up my messages and we will get an escrow sorted.
Hope the lucky musk/trump supporter likes there cheap car. Glad we are selling them a cheap car to teach them a lesson.
I am patiently waiting for your money.
McKittyNuts
Oh look another yuppy Tesla owner that cant fathom having to deal with any amount of pain.
TacoPoweredHelicopter
So no? I sacrifice not you? Not willing to take me up on the offer?
schizznatt
What are you sacrificing?
ethicalinfant
this is not the moral high ground anymore. If you're going to support this then you need to be ok with that. You are going to have to be ok with hurting regular, innocent people who can't afford to have their only vehicle burned while they're getting groceries for their family.
Kiares
Just torch the cyber trucks.
McKittyNuts
Nobody gives a fuck about moral highground when my country is invaded and half of you are in camps or deported “somewhere” The highground is watching your trash burn.
ethicalinfant
Don't become the thing you hate
McKittyNuts
No its war. That man and his president has threatened to invade my country. They are threatening war. Even just the terrifs, hundreds of thousands of people around where I live work in the automotive manufacturing industry. He is threatening to take food from their children mouths. You drive a symbol of treason you, violence and fascism. You are a target. Don’t like it? I guess get rid of the car, if the country is worth less to you than a shitty Tesla. You’re not Canadian
jslowik
Yeah it’s been a bummer being on the internet lately. Bought mine in early ‘23 because my car started acting up. Wanted a decent EV and the supercharger network reliability meant Tesla was the choice. Now I’m like a year into my planned 8 year ownership and folks are like “hey sell it or we’ll light it on fire” and I’m just trying to live my life.
pallemanns
Tja
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Are you me?
CuileannDhu
Just get one of those "I bought it before Elon went crazy" stickers for it.
dduncan55330
Listen, I dislike Teslas but it has nothing to do with Musk or whatever (I don't like him either for the record). Regardless of what people believe, if someone vandalizes your car, they're a piece of shit. It's asinine that "we should only torch dealership cars" is an unpopular opinion. The main result of this arson/vandalism is going to be pushing normal people to oppose and view them as terrorists. They're doing nothing but damage to their cause, like the republicans and the Capital raid.
Voidhawk42
This is not protests anymore, this is a war. We have to destroy Tesla because every dollar Musk makes is literally killing people and destroying the US. That means destroying Tesla property so that no company will insure them, and driving away customers. The easiest way to do that is to light the cars on fire - would you buy one if you knew that anytime you parked in public it would be burnt? Of course not. As to those who have one, sell it or get good insurance and pit nothing important inside.
SilicaGelPacket
I'm gonna and a point here of saying: shitting on people because they were ignorant about something but *aren't any longer," just because you think they should've known better sooner, is petty and small-minded. I'll always encourage people to own up to the harm their ignorance may have caused in the past, but I also want to recognize that a step taken yesterday is better than a step taken never. All told: I'm sorry folks are harassing you for your Tesla. Maybe get one of those bumper stickers
McKittyNuts
To me the burning has nothing to do with the owners. I support it because its effecting Tesla, people think just because it’s not at a dealership it doesn’t matter. It does. I want people to fear owning Tesla. It’s nothing to do with people who bought pre nazi Teslas and it has everything to do with disempowering Elon but devaluing his cash cow. Between that, the social stigma and Tesla already doing badly financially its working. I hope that Tesla becomes the biggest bankrupcy in history.
ElbowDeepInYou
Hey look, a psychopath. Or is that sociopath, can never keep those apart...
mikeatike
You bought in '23, that's on you bro.
McKittyNuts
Sorry you are collateral. I guess you should sell it. You could always do insurance fraud. Burned tesla and a new car, two birds one stone. Js
TacoPoweredHelicopter
Sell it cheap to a musk supporter? Give a pro musk douch a great deal on a car and loose money myself because you can't discern between a crazy ceo and a random vehicle owner?
So burn in? Just fuck the environment am I right? Huge waste of resources and emissions to do what? Make you feel good?
You are targeting the wrong people, but you are to stupid to realize it. How about pointing your anger (it's just anger) at trump/musk and there supporters?
jslowik
Pay me to and I will.
McKittyNuts
Your mistake. They were shit before Elon came out as Nazi. Your bad taste just hurt you extra bad this time.
jslowik
Meh. Agree to disagree on whether it was a good purchase at the time or not. It's been a solid enough vehicle in the time I've owned it. Musk can rot. Leave me alone.
notadiddler69
Fairly certain that's insurances job.
jslowik
To sell it. I'm not here to engage in a conspiracy along with insurance fraud. If someone cuts me a check that offsets any losses I incur from having to sell earlier than anticipated, I'll trade it in. We can work out the amount if anyone is interested.
captainfakeypants
People are confusing Tesla cars with Cybertrucks.
Tesla wasn't founded by Musk, it has used $40bn of US taxpayer money in government subsidies, it employs 125,000 people, and those people are US citizens with families and livelihoods. Teslas aren't perfect, nor perfectly safe - yet the majority of them are decent EVs *despite* Elon's best efforts.
The Cybertruck/Wankpanzer is Elon's vanity project and it appeals only to egotistical assholes. Direct your vandalism to those, not the family cars.
Omnislash9
You should make a post out of this comment, captain
obijan
Yeah, "just ask your parents for a small loan", right ?
There's working people with mortages and car payments.
In the real world there are things like "negative equity" and "being underwater" on cars.
mikeatike
People with a Tesla aren't hurting for money. Well unless they are dumb enough to pay that much for a car when they can't afford it... well I guess that is pretty common, considering how many F-150s are out there.
obijan
Right....
Do you have any idea what a basic M3 costs?
Do you have any idea what the average price of a car is these days?
How much gas to commute costs?