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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWWoMcGmo0
http://abc7.com/entertainment/jimmy-kimmels-emotional-monologue-on-newborn-son/1943013/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWWoMcGmo0
http://abc7.com/entertainment/jimmy-kimmels-emotional-monologue-on-newborn-son/1943013/
eviscera
There are people DISAGREEING with this statement. I'm not fucking kidding.
vanella
*cough* Joe Walsh *cough he's an asshole cough*
Canadoug
That was an emotional video. Glad the kid is okay.
whatabunchofaholes
I teared up everytime he got choked up. I'm glad he has this platform so everyone can hear this, it needed to be said with such raw emotion
MrNoodlemansbrother
I had a daughter who was born with the exact same heart defect. That hit me extremely hard. I know what he's going to go through.
YallGonnaMakeMeLoseMyMind
I had a son with tetralogy of fallot and a brain malformation. Even though we got an earlier diagnosis, not all endings can happy.
darkjedi70
I'm sorry.
818Pumpkin
I'm so sorry
flj7
How old is she now? My boyfriend has Tet as well and I can provide some pretty positive stories about her future.
MrNoodlemansbrother
Sadly, she passed at age 13, 24 years ago.
darkjedi70
I'm sorry.
doctorbees
:( I'm sorry
CorgisButtsDriveMeNuts
That's what pisses me off big time - what's the point of any science progress if many many people will never have benefit from it?!?
sangatster
It's not the fault of the workers, it's the institutions that set rates and charge criminally high prices. The silent terrorists.
JefftheIntern
Strong men also cry. Strong men... also cry. - The other Jeffrey Lebowski
AlphaCommander
Mr Lebowski is in seclusion in the west wing.
Funderpants
As a Dad, when I think of losing my own child, or hear stories like these it always sends me on an emotional ride. Congrats on the Son!
IcommentMostlyWithGifs
You robbed my mouth of these words you thief. I demand you return them to me at once!
PeerPressureMadeMeDoIt
Also thanks Obama, for forbidding insurance companies from denying coverage based on preexisting conditions
TheOnlyWulf
I go completely numb. Even physically. Fear and grief do different things to different people. My brain won't let me think of this.
BigSnicker
Does it make you support single payer so that poor families don't have to take that risk?
RememberTheC4nt
Doesn't have a kid still got tears in my eyes
RocketRodster
My gf just told me about her 6 year old patient in hospice care. She has weeks two left before cancer eats her alive. The raw cruelty of lif
MuffDiver69
You're not special all parents feel that fucko
annibe11e
Yeah, people should only express themselves if their emotional reaction is unique.
imgurwhoreforcash
Take your meds ffs.
KhefKaandKaTet
My mom works as a neonatal nurse. She has told me some of the most heart wrenching stories. Major props to anyone who can do that.
trailwanderer
my mom, too. the stories she brings home terrify me. how she had kids while working that job is beyond me.
Dowju
I have a now 5 year old daughter who was born with Tetralogy of Fallot, a heart condition where the net effect is not enough blood goes 1/?
Dowju
To her lungs. She had a shunt put in at 7 days old and full corrective surgery at 12 months. I'm Australian, so her treatment so far and 2/?
Dowju
Her ongoing care will never cost a thing. I dare not think of what it could have cost me to keep her if she had been born in the USA. 3/3
SupercalifragilisticexpialidociousShenanigans
My cousins baby was born with heart issues. She needed surgery at 6&12 months. Our community got together and paid for it. 1/?
SupercalifragilisticexpialidociousShenanigans
"Heart for Haven". We did silent auction, bowling alley donated a day so all proceeds went to them. A 50/50 raffle. My mom won the 50% 2/?
justyourfriendlyneighborhoodimgurian
That vid pulls all the strings. Parent or not.
Some1OnceToldMe
Yeah, but what they don't tell you is you can't go back. When you have kids all of the "heartstrings" moments are visceral and personal.
BiasBuddies
Definitely! It's just something about the raw honesty and emotion in him. TV hosts (and people in general) don't usually show their (1/2)
BiasBuddies
2/2 emotions, so to see him opening himself up on live TV about this awful time to help make good of it, is sort of amazing
daiconrad
It's so weird. I was in the middle of watching this and an invisible ninja broke in and started chopping onions all of a sudden.
ironjudas
Have my second kid on the way, something like this is my biggest fear
cdcd33
My kiddo (now 1) was born with the same CHD as Jimmy's. That pic of him post surgery had me sobbing (1/2)
cdcd33
It's really amazing what these babies manage to endure and still have high spirits. (2/2)
keillrandor
But being poor is the ultimate crime, right? :p
vanella
I have friends complaining that they're "paying for someone elses welfare" because being poor or in trouble is such a terrible crime? :(
eroso
Thanks Obama. Fuck you Trump.
Ihave2boobs
My friend's baby (13 months) died in March. Of a disease called Krabbe. A $5 test at birth could have saved her.
CaptainLogopolis
Are you feeling it now Mr Krabbe?
GreenYawgmoth
She would have just come down with Goyle later on in life.
buffalosnowcrash
Hunter's Hope is the Foundation started by Hall of Fame Football QB Jim Kelly and his wife when their son was born with Krabbe's Disease.
buffalosnowcrash
It's purpose is to increase awareness to increase probability of early detection and treatement, support families, fund research.
IUpvoteCorgis
That is the saddest thing I have ever heard
ohmanwhathavewedone
sorry to hear that, my friend just lost his newborn last month to some complications. he only got to live for 2 hours unfortunately.
ohmanwhathavewedone
on an unrelated note i didn't know there was an epic intro scene to ff14 till just now. your name reminded me i had some free days to play
Ihave2boobs
I changed my name lol but yea, ffxiv is my fave
VeryFastWithACucumberNiceAndSlowWithAZucchini
That's terrible...I'm so sorry to hear that.
kowalibear
Krabbe is such a horrible thing for a parent t experience.
celestialglade
My parents lost their second child to this disease (I'm the oldest). At that time they did bone marrow transplants but that didn't work. 1/2
celestialglade
She lived to be 2.5 but those were hard years for her. From what I understand there is no cure yet, they can only be made comfortable.
pegesue
I do hereby promise you I will contact the chief of OB/GYN at Memorial Hospital Systems in Hollywood and Memorial West to see if they will
pegesue
Add the test for Krabbe to the newborn blood panel taken at birth. These hospitals are located in Hollywood and Pembroke Pines, FL.
Ihave2boobs
<3
pegesue
I've been a retired RN since 2005. I've never heard of Krabbe. Can you tell me something about. I have a lot of contacts in OB/GYN. If a
pegesue
simple blood test can identify it, I may be able to get the test added to the panel of blood test a newborn undergoes. I'm willing to try.
pegesue
Please tell me the symptoms. No mother should outlive her child. The pain, the agony will be with your friend forever. I want to help.
Ihave2boobs
My friend's dghtr was in AGONY for months with no diagnosis. By the time symptoms present, it's too late. The test could've saved them that
Ihave2boobs
As the mother of a toddler not much older than their daughter, I cannot even begin to fathom the heartache associated with losing your child
Ihave2boobs
but they could have saved their infant daughter months of pain and agony had they known ahead of time. It's pure anguish. /4
Ihave2boobs
and she was in there for over a month before they reached a diagnosis. I understand her life may not have been prolonged by much /3
Ihave2boobs
She was in pain with no clear cause. Then she started to lose motor function. They finally got admitted to Miami Children's hospital /2
Ihave2boobs
It was an uneventful birth, she progressed and hit milestones sometimes ahead of schedule. Then at 7 months, she started to cry A LOT. /1
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hitshappens
It doesn't help much. It slightly curbs the prognosis, but 3 year survival still remains below a fifth.
Ihave2boobs
She passed 8 weeks later
Ihave2boobs
They tried but she was too far advanced. She was in the hospital for almost a month before they figured out the diagnosis.
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hitshappens
Krabbe's isn't newborn screening because the 3 year survival rate is 14% even with all available treatment. It's not economical at all.
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Ihave2boobs
Florida, we're working on Lola's Law for Florida
Shibusaredicks
Missouri screens for Krabbe. Source: work at a children's hospital
nemisys
Why didn't they get it?
TheHighCourt
If you tested for every possible disease you would spend a lot of time money and resources doing it. But feasible when likelihood is low
TheHighCourt
*not feasible. And when if discovered, the treatment options and prospects of survival are nugatory
Ihave2boobs
I understand the business side of it, but it's hard to tell my friends who just lost their baby this, ya know?
viila
Sadly even with treatment it's terminal. 1, 2 and 3 year survival rates are 60%, 26%, and 14%. Longest anyone has made was 13 years.
DungeonMaster69
Can't test everything if there are no signs first
Ihave2boobs
It's not a required test in Florida. Hospitals don't teat for it
ButterfaceTaintClown
Profit margins, shareholder interest.
Ihave2boobs
Test**
coffeebugtravels
required tests, but they PA Dept of Health won't communicate with them to get the tests saying the actual testing is too expensive.
coffeebugtravels
But the Dept of Health has not implemented it because "logistics" but the test exists and Hunter's Hope has volunteered to provide all the
coffeebugtravels
Also not tested in PA. My friends' little girl died on Easter last year. She was 16 months old. PA has laws requiring the testing at birth,
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pegesue
Don't joke when someone has lost a child. It's too cruel.
monsterhunter4lyfe
You seem krabbe
Kendurha
pegesue
Was the milk bad or did he just didn't know how to use a straw?
Skullcrusher908
monsterhunter4lyfe
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/751/784/d83.png
BetweenTheSpreadsheets
I was totally thinking it too, thanks for saying it. Ya heartless bastard.
areyousayingkam
Not the time, dude.
thisIsMALARKEE
They do say laughter is the best medicine!
NikoPhiNiko
Wowwwwwwww
justtryingtohitthefrontpage
ah fuckin hilarious bro i upvoted was the first thing i thought lol
MOTHERFUCKINGLUCIFERMORNINGSTAR
Interesting comment. Good luck
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Squarescreen
Monster hunter is mediocre
mallymile
Lol
hitshappens
As sad as it is, the test would have barely helped. The longest anyone has ever lived with Krabbes is 13. Treatment improves quality (1/2)
buffalosnowcrash
A balanced article detailing the pros and cons. http://www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20170309/newborn-screening-krabbe-disease
RocketRodster
13 is old enough to fuck up your own life. Everyone deserves a chance to fuck up their life.
Ihave2boobs
13,years is a long time to make advancements in medicine or spend with your child.
oieokillertofu
Reading is fundamental. Your own research is even better.
Ihave2boobs
That is from my research, I got it from the foundation specializing in the disease...
DaithiUK
But we could develop a new drug that adds an extra 3 days and costs $70,000,0000.
JeffDahmer
13 years max, and the kid is terribly sick the entire time. Lysosomal storage diseases are cruel. :(
Ihave2boobs
According to people at the Krabbe Foundation, early detection can help minimize the severity and painfulness of the symptoms.
ThatPictureIsMildlyHumorus
Months
Ihave2boobs
The average is 2 years, with many living upwards or 5-7 years with treatment
hitshappens
Many is 14%. Most people agree it's cruel to let a kid gain consciousness, then die so soon after.
Ihave2boobs
13 years was the longest
hitshappens
13 years is the absolute max. 1/5 of kids die before age 3. Most people think it's cruel to give a child such a short timeline.
SexualPeanut
It is.
somepromethean
Thats not a decision we are allowed to make for other humans.
Ihave2boobs
They have a short timeline without treatment. I don't think any of us have any room to judge a parents decision to treat this disease.
hitshappens
I'm not judging any parent at all.I'm giving the reasoning for why Krabbes and any other disease without a cure aren't included in screening
hitshappens
(2/2)of life, but they still die. We don't test for Krabbes because we couldn't save the kids even if we knew they had it.
Nomulus
So there's no way off of Mr Krabbe's wild ride?.... I'm so sorry.
Carefuler
Sounds a lot like MS. Would MS treatment drugs help?
Crrine
MS attacks the protection fluid around your spinal cord, og is left defenceless and can easily be damaged. Normal age you get MS is 20-30.
hitshappens
We don't screen for MS, but we can provide symptomatic treatment and prevent flairs.
kmikl
So, just let the kids die. Really?
idonotthinkitownswhatyouthinkitowns
There's also some promising work being done with stem cells: http://www.msra.org.au/autologous-haematopoietic-stem-cell-transplant-ahsct-ms
waitwasthatreal
Very different mechanisms that both lead to destruction of the myelin sheath. I doubt the overlap would help much.
laubenmafal
"No parent should ever have to decide if they can afford to save their child's life..."
honeybadger314
Most live saving procedures are too expensive for the average income.
kevinmylastnameistoolong
As someone with a congenital heart defect who is having a heart valve replaced next week, Jimmy is my hero
PerkyPineapple
He didn't do anything though.
IOnlyFavoriteDickButtAndImNotEvenMad
Best of luck yo.
dengerus
All the best on your surgery
kevinmylastnameistoolong
Cheers mate
colderfish
Guys from national review website have been calling him a liberal elitist because of this. No idea why... WTF is wrong with some people?
LazloKnight
These people "That poor woman's 1 day old fetus has a right to live! It's a human being! Oh wait it's a 1 YEAR old!? Oh nm just let it die."
bluntyeyedfool
they don't care about what they say - they care about page hits and reaction. Like a monkey, throwing poo.
SomeCrazyNerd
Elitist for wanting to have coverage for the poor? Republicans ideas of what's elitism are so backwards.
IvorJBiggun
It's because they're bastards.
Buckbeak1486
What was that quote in regards to?
TheAdventurousAlbino
Take some time to watch the video in the link.
BisonMooseDuck
Watch the whole video. It doesn't take long and the context is important.
StevenQUrkel
If you're not American, TL;DR: we have crap healthcare and people die because they can't afford it.
EdwardStarsmith
We actually have pretty decent healthcare. The problem is only a few can afford it.
KellyanneAlternativeFacts
Also, we wouldn't have to have crap healthcare if congress (looking at you GOP) got the heads out of their asses.
fishbulb13
People in that situation who aren't rich that are forced to choose between their child living and going bankrupt.
WiqidBritt
his newborn needed heart surgery
bunilla
Why was this downvoted?
CaptainLogopolis
It wasn't?
LimerickGoblin
All I can think of is maybe not capitalising the H?
WiqidBritt
I also didn't have a period.
drenix
Newborns dont have periods, specially not if they're boys.
BattloidKouji
Lack of health care and inadequate insurance for the poor and semi-poor in the united states.
Monkeyfighter
Yup. I'm in my 30s and in need of seeing two specialists for neurological and gastroenterological issues. Can't afford either, so I wait.
handytech
I was born with Tetralogy in 1985. As a parent I can't fathom the emotions my parents experienced. I'm not sure about Billy but the film 1/2
handytech
'Something the Lord Made' is an excellent film about the BTT shunt that was performed on me and made future surgery possible & saved my life
SnatchDaddy
Sadly, in the medical field it's only called the "BT" shunt. They never mention Thomas. Every time I call it "BTT" I get weird looks.
handytech
This is true. I never called it BTT until I learned the history of the procedure.
IxDAxHO
As a person who leans conservative on most issues I really do believe that we should have some sort of health care system that helps every1
vanella
Doesn't matter how you vote (or don't vote) should be honestly let anyone die because they can't afford their treatment?
missing7
We need to find a way to lower costs first. Otherwise, not even the government will be able to afford covering people.
IxDAxHO
Not just those who can afford it. I would pay more in taxes if more people in need could get good healthcare. It's a travesty that it takes
Thingamajigster
If you feel that way, so you still then vote for the people trying to take it so only ppl who can afford it, can get healthcare?
SoundFuture
Are you trolling or genuinely asking if they're a single issue voter based purely on this topic?
IxDAxHO
A late night show host with a moving story is the only thing that seems get people talking about this
kernburner
Lots of +1's for you :)
nero4ty2
and in many models an increased tax for national healthcare would be less than many pay for their private insurance, but people don't >
nero4ty2
think logically that they will save money, only that they don't want to support others expenses, which is exactly what insurance is anyway
highestoffives
Just one thing to add, we don't even need to pay more in taxes. More of our taxes go to healthcare already compared to every industrial ctry
highestoffives
We need to streamline efficiency, price regulation, price negotiate etc. More decentralized plans like in Germany for work
BoardkilL
It's insane that negotiating price on meds isn't allowed. have friends in the US that use the same (expensive) meds as I do, and the (1)
DarkSock
I am telling you right now that Kimmel fellow would make a terrible Republican…
Dirtyeel
Except now my parents deductible is 4k and my wisdom teeth are coming in. ACA still needs work.
uvwaex
Absolutely
Tunaccat
Unless I'm mistaken, ACA isn't insurance. Your insurance is what needs work.
Lizaderp
I got mine out before ACA. Look up "Care Credit." Also be up front with dental surgeons. I paid in advance and got all 4 out for $1000 just
Lizaderp
by shopping around and paying $200 a month.
KharnApproves
Yes, the system ABSOLUTELY needs work. Paul Ryan lighting it on fire and pissing in the ashes isn't work though, it's regression.
Dirtyeel
I never said he was the one...
imooforyou
Exactly. Work on it. Its what they used to do. Congress do their fucking job. Not destroy and redefine 'healthcare' as a tax cut to the rich
JadedWombat
It's a whole lot better than the current alternative---fucking nothing.
callmethelizardqueen
Its better for SOME people, for others they get screwed. I have worse medical being middle class than when I was poor & I'm paying for it.
uvwaex
Also as a joke, if you had just died then you wouldn't need teeth removed now!!;)
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
The insurance companies play a huge role in how shit our system is
spacerated
No.... my family's insurance was dirt cheap before ACA.The cost of an entire business and a $21k deductible later...
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
There's no denying the insurance companies jacked up our rates. They're for profit which is the problem
spacerated
Well when you send one of the largest sectors out of business because you don't want a corp to be for profit as it should be, then you can
spacerated
Really complain about costs. Imagine insurance companies as mortgage givers. You can't give someone a house for free. And hospitals jacked
deebaser
Insurance companies didn't "jack up their rates" in a vacuum. The ACA mandated additional (some v good)benefits that cost a lot of money.
sillysartre
You really are fucking stupid America.
daiconrad
IronicUsername
About half of us are and the systems in place allow them to impose their will on the rest of us.
SatoriEnlightenment
Not stupid. Corrupt.
doctorbees
We know.
pegesue
Yes, we do don't we. I worked a county hospital that had to take pts in any situation. But that doesn't mean they won't get a great big bill
DoublevBomb
A lot of it comes down to American Operating Principle #1: [Potential for rich people to get richer]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[quality of humans lives]
wonder89
Half of America is. The other half voted Democrat.
FajitaPrinceofAllMexicans
Wasn't it over half were for Hillary but it was an electoral college victory.
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
I would say more than half voted Democrat-thanks electoral college!
jazex
Is that the same half that argues unborn children should be killed because lots of moms can't afford them.
nero4ty2
and those moms shouldn't have received birth control or proper sex education because thats a sin
jazex
I don't see birth control as a problem, but it seems ironic that so many care so much once a baby is born but couldn't care less until then.
nero4ty2
it's also ironic that the pro birth movement cares so much about a baby until they are born but after that point they are on their own
Treblaine
The best part is total government expenditure on healthcare in the US is higher (per capita) than nations with universal healthcare.
Treblaine
So America isn't even doing it out of greed, it's not about saving money, it's just stupid.
imooforyou
Well, no it is greed. Greed from insurance companies and hospitals. Their marked up pricing is why its so expensive to tax payers.
spacerated
Not necessarily. Doctors upticked costs following ACA bc private practitioners were being sent out of business reducing supply. In my state
spacerated
Hospital costs are 2x the natl avg bc illegal immmigration costs. Even if gov spent on HC for citizens, it wouldn't reduce costs in my state
imooforyou
You could be from Mars, your hospital bill still gets paid by tax payers with no insurance. Hospitals still boon, so do insurance companies.
imooforyou
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-hospitals-prices-idUSKBN0OO2C920150608
UmbertoBench
Greed is universal. The market is designed such that it allows for greed to fuck everything up. The gov needs to redesign the market.
imooforyou
Yeah, but then enter the age old GOP argument "Get the government out of it!!". I agree, but their propaganda is just tiring as it is cruel.
highestoffives
Basically more of our taxes go to health care than other industrial nations
highestoffives
So the Republican argument that universal healthcare will cost more taxes is malarkey.
Treblaine
It's fundamentally childish, as if refusing to invest in treating the sick will just mean that costs disappears. It does not. It cannot.
nero4ty2
it would still end up costing more in taxpayer money and then larger taxes passed on to the public, but many people theorize that it >
nero4ty2
would still be a smaller cost than most people pay for private insurance.
Treblaine
By "total govt... per capita" I mean factoring not just federal spending, but other government authorities like state spending.
OPS3C
That's why St. Jude's childrens hospitals are free.
vanella
It's not free, people have to donate for it to be free to the users... It shouldn't even come to that :(
greenalbatross
I had a friend that was turned away from St. Jude's because his survival chances were too low.
flj7
St. Jude only accepts patients that fit into open research projects. There may not have been a study on your friend’s type of cancer.
Kiltcourse
And rare.
ITryToOnlyRespondInGifs
Not every kid can go to St. Jude's. Certainly an infant who needs surgery asap cannot go there. It's more for children with cancer
flj7
St Jude takes patients with cancer, blood disorders, and diseases/ disorders that predispose a child to cancer.
PMmeyourshatteredhopesanddreams
I'm sorry but congenital defects come under "pre-existing conditions" and our company has decided not to cover them.
fudgex
Wow username hitting close to home ;(
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lalobaciclista
Them and Joe Walsh.
Bonestorm6969
You're not Canadian
antifolkhero
The AHCA in a nutshell.
tywa
You cannot deny coverage anymore. It's the law.
TheDogAteIt
RememberTheC4nt
MERICA
ILikeYouMary
Per the HHS that's not legal unless the clause was grandfathered into an eligible plan. I hope your provider isn't rejecting these claims.
LosMinefield
Thanks Obama
digitalballz
Some people are apparently not familiar with the joke.
LosMinefield
10 to be exact
ThreeDimesDown
Username checks out
Cheesecakecrush
Defects? Don't those file under "should abort?" You lefties are confusing.
SmartnSexyRedheadinPA
Wow, even if this was sarcasm, you are an asshole!
kiddub
Fight for the right to protect babies, fuck 'em once they're born. Got it.
spetcnaz
You are a fucking moron.
doctorbees
This is a very confusing response consider the right is supposedly "pro-life" and all that.
usernamechangeswillnotbedaved
Pro-life but not quality of life you simply want that moral high ground but don't care about people once born. not pro-life it'spro pre-life
SepiaSkies
Take a good long look at yourself in the mirror, reread the post, and ask yourself what is broken within you that made you respond that way.
Cheesecakecrush
I'm on the internet? No filter? Are you really surprised?
Seppyno
A man talks about wanting his child to live. - "Snarky partisan comment." Fuck you. What fucking hypocrisy is being put on display here?
Seppyno
Keep throwing partisan shade on everything. Be the change you want to see in the world and all that, let's all make it a better place. Cunt.
SepiaSkies
No. I'm just sad for you. Even the most basic call to honor each others' humanity is met with your hate. That can't reflect a healthy heart.
ctorange
Maybe you should have been aborted.
Cheesecakecrush
I was a viable fetus, therefore by lefty rules it was my mother's choice as to whether abort me or not.
ctorange
callmethelizardqueen
I have actually seen that argument from pro-choice folks, that the option should be there in case there are birth defects like heart problem
callmethelizardqueen
because it would save the child from a life of pain and misery.
Cheesecakecrush
Thats why I'm asking, and evidently I'm some horrible, simple minded human being for wanting some clarification.
Cheesecakecrush
I guess people don't like their hypocrisies put on display like that.
Derekkocalypse
So just murder it, right? My Grandma has cancer I should just go crack her skull and suck brain from it to save her pain and misery.
slapmychipsup
How old is she? Euthanasia is reasonable in some cases when it's terminal.
Christx30
Some GOP members think the baby should have done more to lead a healthy lifestyle.
theoriginalAlphaCat
I think I almost passed out from my pre-existing condition when I saw that. What a douche.
BisonMooseDuck
Rep Brooks “...and right now, it's the good people who have done things the right way that are seeing their costs skyrocketing.”
5po0ky
Because Republicans refused to budge on key issues that would have kept costs low for most everyone. They fucked it up then point out how
5po0ky
fucked up it is. I don't understand why people still vote Republican, all they stand for is to lower taxes for the wealthy. Unreal
ChiLLeCheeze
Those people will be wealthy sooner or later, so they just have to get the laws in place for WHEN they get wealthy. Plan ahead.
fizzlebuns
Well they don't want people leading good lives to have to pay for people who don't like Jimmy's kid.
Gayforbae
Punctuation would have saved a lot of confusion here.
cuntpickles
Looking at you Cigna. Assholes
parallaxHero
You tell 'em, cuntpickles
stresstwig
and humana, and uhc, and aetna, amd paramount, and and and... they're all assholes. every last one.
kasvattaja
Aetna left me with a 5cmx5cmx8cm wound and wouldn't cover a wound van bc it was "experimental". Took 4.5 months to heal to a huge scar.
hopeyyy
Wound vacs are amazing. Can't believe they considered it experimental. How long ago was this? They suck for that.
kasvattaja
Just scabbed over. Surgery was Dec. 19, 2016. It took us 6 weeks to get a 'no, we won't do that.
wonder89
Excuse me,but Obamacare made that illegal. The Republicans want to allow it again. Thanks Obama,at least you tried.
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hopeyyy
Nah. Didn't happen.
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
"ObamaCare eliminated pre-existing conditions starting in 2014. No more pre-existing conditions means you can’t be denied coverage, 1/2
woopwooppulloverdatasstoofat
charged more, or denied treatment based on health status." this was a huge point ACA drove. I'm skeptical of your story. 2/2
usernamechangeswillnotbedaved
I'll take never happened but posted by a faggot for a million Alex.
GreaterDog
Trump claims the revised AHCA (released a few days ago) retains pre-existing condition protection, but it has no restriction on making insu
SomeCrazyNerd
It allows states to opt out of that coverage.
GreaterDog
-rance prohibitively expensive for those with pre-existing conditions. Which makes the AHCA's version of the protection practically useless.
wonder89
It allows the states to withdraw the protection. Wanna guess which states will do that? Hint: not blue ones.
kmikl
... but the emails.
freezingpilot
I think they added a line in their that says "States can ignore any portion of this act" right under the pre-existing cond protections.
Mcmcman
If you have insurance before the baby is diagnosed it's not a preexisting condition. This entire speech was misleading.
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
It's not a pre-existing condition as long as you stay with that insurance company. So if you ever change jobs, or your employer chooses...
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
a different insurer, they're fucked. And once your kid gets old enough to be kicked off your insurance, they're fucked for life.
Akran
Under the Republican plan, if you let coverage lapse for a month you would then be subject to the high-risk pools which could cost 15+k/year
SexualPeanut
Yeah, that's not how it works.
monty82
How about when the baby grows up and cannot be in his/her parents insurance? Or if the parents lose insurance? I thought he meant the future
monty82
But it got confusing as he was emotional and he seemed to jump from one idea to another. At least that was my impression.
spetcnaz
You are one of the few fine himans on his video comments section that decided to make that the point of the argument aren't you?
spetcnaz
Plus you are absolutely wrong. Research before trying to sound like a know it all. It will be a PEC as it exists before birth
spetcnaz
and it is going to stay with the person for the rest of their lives
tazerface
You are correct. When a baby is born they get automatically covered by the parents insurance. Also if he didn't have insurance, same outcome
Nobody7713
The baby won't be able to get insurance for their whole adult life though.
callmethelizardqueen
Everyone voting down ijustliketoargue when he's right. I have 2 kids with pre-existing and have one myself, always been covered thru work
Vlurk
So what if you are unable to work because of these conditions? How does it work then?
callmethelizardqueen
You then get on SSDI -the government program for disabled Americans. That others upvoted you shows how little people know of our social prog
callmethelizardqueen
insurances. Helped that my sis taught me about insurance so before taking any job I reviewed their insurance policy.
Eowyneb
Imagine if you did not check? how fucked would your children be? No one deserves to live a life with out insurance from lack of knowledge
NahYouDontKnow
He said adult life, when the parents' insurance wouldn't cover them. And there's a pretty big % of Americans who don't have employer hc
IJustLikeToArgue
1/2 Completely wrong. If you have a job at a company that offers group insurance, you are automatically accepted. Source: I've changed jobs
IJustLikeToArgue
2/2 several times, always had group insurance. Daughter was born with an unformed kidney. Had it removed and she's still fully insured.
LizardEnterprises
1/3 You shouldn't have to choose your job based on where you can get good health insurance. Under that system no one with a preexisting
NahYouDontKnow
He said adult life, so your point doesn't really apply. And, in any case, a big % of people don't have employer provided healthcare
3toedsloth
You don't understand. Your daughter now has a pre-existing condition. When she gets health insurance on her own as an adult that 1/?
username000176
Insurance is betting you'll not use more money than u pay in, it's not charity... it's not an endless money pit
SylvesterMarcus
Aaaand we're off! Pretending that the rest of the world hasn't already figured out how to do this without insurance companies.
kevincow
Which is why it shouldn't be for profit. If people are being denied health coverage because they're sick, then the system is fucking broken.
Kyurias
You would think ^ should be common sense but then you have ppl who think bad things only happen to "bad" people so they "deserve" to suffer.
emkev
And what's the point of insurance if it doesn't do the thing you pay for it to do? Seems ridiculous.
destinoz
So you're saying a government system would be better? Yes, that's what you're saying.
username000176
Yes I am saying that, but their is definitely a better system than government out there
HalfPintKatie
How about a Mom Coalition...we'd get shit done...and done right!! Lol!
JayhawkSupreme
The reality is that it is rare for an insurance company to make a profit through premiums.
emkev
That would be like McDonald's not making a profit though food sales. Care to explain that assertion?
JayhawkSupreme
It sounds really weird, but generally speaking an insurance company merely breaking even on premium vs paying losses is seen as good.
JayhawkSupreme
There is a lag between when they collect premium and when they have to pay on a loss. During that lag, they invest the money.
JayhawkSupreme
http://insurance.credio.com/stories/3670/how-insurance-companies-make-money
Yoloswagforjesus
It's not charity, it's insurance. If there is no assurance of coverage, what's the point.
requit
It's insurance, protection from the unexpected. Healthcare is what you need if it's no longer unexpected.
Yoloswagforjesus
a practice or arrangement by which a company or government agency provides a guarantee of compensation for specified loss 1/2
Yoloswagforjesus
damage, illness, or death in return for payment of a premium 2/2
Znayx
Who the hell plans to be injured? And for that matter, who (that can afford it) doesn't have health insurance because they don't expect 1/2
Znayx
an injury to happen? 2/2
requit
That's what insurance is for. Insurance from something that may or may not happen in the future.
override367
look but the most important thing is that we get rid of obamacare and then WE TOTALLY PROMISE TO FIX HEALTHCARE LATER YOU GUYS
TheCanadianNerd
I'm neither american or a politician but it feels like itd make more sense to come up with a new plan before getting rid of the old one, no?
Neeeeeesh
JUST TRUST US WE'LL GET ON IT GUYS
override367
It boggles my mind how many people support these clowns, they tried to repeal obamacare for years and now they're trying to come up with a-
override367
healthcare plan like a fucking college freshman doing his final project the last night before the due date
CoolHandRK
You just nailed the problem. The country is being run by people who downloaded their thesis papers and paid someone to do their homework.
ShentoSama
While hung over after going to a Frat party where he knew no one.
BiasBuddies
It's like a house. You don't leave your existing house before you come up with a better solution (like renovating or buying another house)
OzmaAsimov
But this house has a black man's name on it! We can't have that! (Sarcasm, if it isn't obvious.)
calcleric
Black and non citizen Muslim who took your guns and freedom.
EricFromAccounts
It's true, I used to have guns and freedom, now I'm chained to a radiator and I can't shoot the chains loose. THANKS OBAMA
PainGwen
IT'S IN THERE, I MADE SURE IT WAS IN THERE
harbingerjo
It might suck for you guys for a while, but we promise to fix it. In the meantime, we'll exempt ourselves from the suck. -congress
annibe11e
How do they exempt themselves?
annibe11e
I'm seriously asking though. I've seen this mentioned, but I don't understand how they are exempt from healthcare?
override367
https://www.opm.gov/healthcare-insurance/healthcare/ government health insurance, among the best
Vercinger
By not being poor. Or middle class.
Curadh
^The realness.^
override367
congressional healthcare is like the secret better version of the ACA
139mod70
What the shit? Why such a lame link? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWWoMcGmo0
FacemanPeck
His line about how no parents should have to decide whether or not to save their baby's life because they can't afford it hit is the one 1/2
FacemanPeck
That struck me the most 2/2
BiasBuddies
Especially not in a developed country like America
BisonMooseDuck
That line alone might have been the final nail in Ryancare coffin.
yallmfsneedjesus
Yea, but it's not a choice you make. The chold is treated, no questions asked. It's not like you think about and say no.
jayar1st
Yeah. Treatment happens. Then bills.
werekoala
that's not entirely true. if a kid is in a hospital, they have to treat them. But if your kid needs chemo? Tough shit.
FacemanPeck
Right. Jimmy said it in the most basic terms. He didn't mean the doctor is standing there waiting for you to say yes or no to saving 1/2
FacemanPeck
your child's life in an emergency... I guess I thought it was pretty obvious. 2/2
yallmfsneedjesus
Baby is getting treated and saved whether the parents pay or not. The statement does not make sense. Access and cost are separate iasues.
jayar1st
It's not fair that you're getting downvotes.
kiddub
Cost determines access, thats his point. Jimmy can pay for top medical treatment. Youre telling me a woman with no coverage gets the same?
jayar1st
They would get treatment in an emergency.
Iwillhaveoneofeverything
he mentioned the baby needs surgery again in 6 months and as teenager. I can't imagine how much bills rack up for normal family.
kiddub
Maybe not if they can't afford subsequent care and treatment. And you're missing the point. Someone with terminal illness needs 24 hr care
sirdraco1
I've been saying for a long time if the AC act gets taken away people will die. It's not perfect but it's better than going back to before.
ImmaNeedBoutTreeFiddy
Thought you were talking about air conditioning for a sec there. But yes, I totally agree with you.
ThreeDimesDown
Well, not perfect for the dead people and those that love them. But they're not donating to politicians.
IUpvoteBoxes
People not being able to afford other things, such as retirement savings, house savings, etc can also affect health. The people hurt the (1)
IUpvoteBoxes
most by this are young people just starting their careers not old people. Germany has a nationalized healthcare system, but an almost (2)
lex0r64
kinda sad that health/education are more of a business and not a service for everyone when a lot of countries have the resources for it.
Carefuler
If the U.S. could drop it's role of World Democracy Superpower, and the military that comes with it we could spend a ton on health care. /1
Carefuler
like out do nothing NATO allies do.
NahYouDontKnow
We already spend WAY more than any of them (I think 50% more than the next highest?). We could have amazing healthcare with a similar system
callmethelizardqueen
We already spend a ton on health care, more than we do on military. Cut our military in half and give to medical still not enough.
IUpvoteBoxes
identical life expectancy. Its not necessarily better.
darkdragonempress
Germany has an insurance system. They just also have a universal system so everyone can get treatment. That's what makes it better.
TheLastFireBender
US is ranked in 31 place by WHO in life expectancy. Almost all countries above have universal health care and all pay less per capita.
Oteneo
this is true, and its a tragedy, im not sure the ACA does anything to address that though.
TheLastFireBender
Ofc this is debatable but I think ACA is a small step towards universal health care. But the system in whole needs major reforms.
heyitsfred
Hospitals provided treatment regardless of insurance before the ACA.....
sangatster
Despite the idiot with the "dangerously ignorant" comment, you are correct. Astonishing how eager people are to get screwed, defending it.
walkslikeaslug
Obamacare did not change that. They'll still make you comfortable in the emergency rm while they watch you die of cancer just like before.
imooforyou
One of the most dangerously ignorant things I've read today.
sweaterbuckets
this is patently not true. at best, the er had to stabilize you - nothing else really.
freakishdarling
My mom had what she thought was the flu for about a week waiting for her ACA to kick in, two hours into having health insurance we find 1/?
freakishdarling
That her 'flu' was a ruptured colon from an undianosed diverticulitis.She spent 2 weeks in the hospital just getting her septic infection 2/
freakishdarling
Cleared up, then had 4ft of colon removed. Then had a colon bag, surgery for a bowel obstruction, hernia repairs, and then uterine cancer. 3
freakishdarling
If it wasn't for the ACA my mom would have died. She waited a week to go to the hospital because was terrified of what it would cost. 4/4
clariiiiiiiise
And some of those symptoms could have probably been avoided if the insurance hadn't been an issue. The system is so counterproductive:(#Boo$
override367
They could fix the holes in Obamacare pretty easily, they'd have 90% of the democratic votes to add to their whip
SolidusPliskin
How?
override367
they arent interested in it, the only ways to fix healthcare are to tax more or to cut out profits - period
lotharofthepotatopeople
Yep. They weren't interested in improving it before it came into effect, and they're not interested in fixing what we got stuck with now.
LizardEnterprises
But that would require spending more money, and Republicans value numbers on a ledger more than human lives.
wonder89
The Republicans know this. They don't care. Their followers want everything created by a Black President to be destroyed.
Skullcrusher908
Bullshit, its not because hes black. Quit trying to act like every republican is a racist nazi or some shit.
MrPeebles
There are actually some holding out because the replacement must cover preexisting conditions. Not many, but a few.
SolidusPliskin
And you just hate Sarah Palin and Betsy duvos because they are women! Misogynist
ObnoxiousComma
Lol, countless republicans agree with the ac act.
onlygoingtousethisonce
No, It's definitely a very countable number considering they have run on repealing it since Obama became president
ObnoxiousComma
K
justinbieberselfie
so they're doing it because he is black and that's the only reason?
TheGame21x
Only reason? No. But don't act like it isn't a factor.
justinbieberselfie
It's not a factor. There is literally zero reason to believe it is a factor.
TheGame21x
Literally zero reason. Literally. Wow. You have got to be kidding.
AceLynch
Only half-black. They don't EVER bring up that he's just as white as he is black do they? Doesn't fit the rhetoric.
TheGame21x
When was the last time you've ever seen a mixed-race person referred to as white?
AceLynch
Did you miss the news coverage of the George Zimmerman trial? Plenty of "half white" comments thrown around there.
LizardEnterprises
As of the previous version of the AHCA, 61 people a day will die, based on the number of people the CBO has estimated would lose insurance.
LizardEnterprises
More Americans will have died because of the AHCA before the end of Trumps first term than died in the entire Vietnam war.
LizardEnterprises
https://www.archives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics.html
LizardEnterprises
That's the equivalent of the Charlie Hebdo attacks ever 5 hours.
LizardEnterprises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting
LizardEnterprises
In 114 days, that will have been more deaths than all servicemen lost in combat operations in the War on Terror.
LizardEnterprises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Terror#Casualties
LizardEnterprises
That's a 9/11 every 7 weeks.
LizardEnterprises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks
LizardEnterprises
That's a Pulse night club shooting every 20 hours.
LizardEnterprises
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Orlando_nightclub_shooting
LizardEnterprises
Source on that http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
LizardEnterprises
1/2 Study is before the ACA when we had 24 million uninsured, found 122 people a day died, we have half that currently, the AHCA circa March
LizardEnterprises
2/2 would have restored us to 2008 levels of uninsurance. This new version is worse, but the CBO hasn't scored it yet, so we aren't sure.
mialynneb
What so many don't realize is that people like myself and husband benefitted from the ACA because companies, like mine, kept me just 1/
mialynneb
under 40 hours so they wouldn't have to give me benefits. The ACA changed this and my corporation's hands were tied because I'm essential. 2
mialynneb
I love my job because of the kids (work in elementary). My husband's company is 6 people. When people yell to get jobs; we have them. 3
mialynneb
Corporations need to stop being assholes and the insurance companies need to stop being greedy. Off my soapbox. Thank you :)
HeavilyBearded
This is one reason why I keep working at UPS despite being a professor. Union workers there get 100% coverage after one year. (1/2)
aceebro
Neither of those will ever happen. That is why legislation is necessary to stop them from having the option to be said things.
callmethelizardqueen
Before ACA I could afford insurance and my low copays and got the help I needed. Now I can't even get the tests I need because I cant afford
sangatster
Exactly. Health care was affordable before they started calling it affordable. Lock down the damed greedy hospital corpoations and big1/
sangatster
pharma who think they are justified with their extortion and set limits. This is pure bullshit. The real criminals have no consequences.
callmethelizardqueen
the huge deductible. I went to the Dr. last week and it was $140 for 5 minutes and blood work orders. The blood work will end up costing
callmethelizardqueen
@ $300. Just to be told what I always here "you're good". And we pay over $300 a mth for 2 people for this crapshow. Cant even deduct med-
callmethelizardqueen
ical from our taxes any more either.
LizardEnterprises
2/3 exchanges and the coverage mandate are the only reason I have insurance. It's expensive as fuck, and totally not perfect, but it's still
LizardEnterprises
1/3 That's neat story. Before the ACA I couldn't even get coverage. Pre-existing condition and I don't get insurance through work. The
sangatster
Well, you and I are in the same boat. I spent over $6000 last year, single person, on medical and dental. Just hit my deductible at EOY.
LizardEnterprises
3/3 better than taking my chances being one of the 122 people who died every day in 2008 because they weren't insured.
BubblesSayingDecent
Its despicable that you have to pay for healthcare, a basic right in most first world countries.
LizardEnterprises
Ehhhhh... no. *Most* first world countries have some sort of cost sharing. Single-payer systems are actually quite rare.
LizardEnterprises
1/3 Downvoting it doesn't make it untrue. Germany has a public option with private supplemental, Switzerland is fully private with a harsh
LizardEnterprises
However, every other first world country does have universal coverage, and pays about half of what we do overall...
LizardEnterprises
3/3 savings account...thing. Single payer only seems widespread because it's common in the British commonwealth, and they speak English.
LizardEnterprises
2/3 mandate, France has several government-regulated nonprofits, Malaysia (yes it's first world) has a truly bizarre and fascinating Health
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BubblesSayingDecent
Well i would say most.
johnlock1
do you not understand the definition of the word most?
Zyrixion
Meanwhile, my brain completely mishandles that comment. I have no idea where I was going there, my brain was on a different track entirely.
Lulabel73
Wait. Do people actually die in America because they can't afford medical treatment?!
Monka42
Yeah...shit happens dude. I can't afford the surgery to fix all my heart problems. America is fucked, check my FP post for proof.
tinyfootprints
America is all about the money. Quality of life has no cash value.
ilovecake
All the fucking time. A friend of mine is battling cancer. If ACA is repealed it will cost her $130k a year in health care just to live.
flannelCamel
Dying from lack of medical care is quickly becoming the American thing to do.
NicCagesDickRages
Dying of preventable illness - it's the American way!
VagisilToothpaste
Yep. I refuse medical treatment for all of my conditions because I can't afford it. If anything happens to me - let me die. I'm poor af.
WARLORD
No. It's political theater.
warlockaflocka
So all these people have crafted lies in this section, for political theater
pegesue
Have you been hiding under a rock?
Boopadasnoot
I'm going to be one!
fedillan
Yup. People refuse to go to the hospital because the fear they would have to go into debt to pay for treatment
allinvain
You underestimate the level of retardedness in the US political system!
shainamorgan
Dude. I actually HAVE insurance and still spent over $3,000 to treat a kidney infection. 'Murica
Cereaza
Kind of. If they're having a heart attack, they gotta get taken care of. But, they can either go bankrupt from the bills, or...
Cereaza
They'll die from not getting preventative care that would've prevented a heart attack.
cleverbeans
The US has higher infant mortality, more working hours lost, and lower life expectancy than Cuba. People are definitely dying because of it.
cantfuckwithme
We had a T.V. show about someone making shit ton of meth to pay for cancer treatment. What do you think
bohemiancrabcity
If you watched the show, that was an excuse.
bohemiancrabcity
I don't understand the downvotes, he literally explains it in the final season.
justorderalargefarva
All. The. Time.
Comoto
No people in America call an Ambulance for anything and everything
OzmaAsimov
Yup. If you don't have insurance (and often, even if you do) it's a choice between medical treatment and endless debt for your family.
warlockaflocka
My roommate in college skipped meals to pay for an ambulance he had to take. It's real
Wal88
Sadly yes.
Redisia
its the american dream, everyone must fight for their own prosperity on steroids. draining the non rich slowly... so sad....
Delyruin
Yes, we're a cruel and rapacious society.
cthruu11
No
Imherefortheanimalpics
As a Finn I'm embarrased that I've never had to even imagine a situation like this. And at the same time I'm very proud.
Strasburg6592
Yes, and there are people right here on Imgur right now saying that to fix this means we'll become fucking COMMUNISTS. Ideology over lives!
ProfiLurker
I live in Germany, and I was SHOCKED I had to pay the parking fee when I drove a friend at the hospital for a minor issue.
theazuremist
Parking fee?
overboard
In other related news, "Breaking Bad" now on Netflix!
daiconrad
I love the American version of that show. The Canadian remake was so boring. His chemo was covered. Ended after one episode. Lame. 1 star.
IDontLikePeppaPig
Yes, as a dutch person I find it hard to understand to...
KharnApproves
I'm an American and I don't get it.
tooomanysteves
Ditto as an Aussie.
Galdrack
Yes as the costs are obnoxious, yet still people are against universal welfare.
PerkyPineapple
Because it causes a variety of problems
Galdrack
Not having it causes far more.
PerkyPineapple
I personally don't think a socialist economy can prevent these problems that you speak of.
Galdrack
Even though more socialist based economies like Sweden, Denmark and Norway have significantly less of these issues?
BondHaimBond
People actually die in America because they can't afford clean water, what is that medical treatment you're speaking of?
DoublevBomb
There's a reason 101% of the GoFundMe links you see on this site are for Americans (sometimes their pets) that need medical assistance.
Lulabel73
Pets would be the same here although you can get some pet insurance.
Groggster2000
We should have single payer universal pet insurance. It's a right not a commodity.
DoublevBomb
I wouldn't expect them to be covered by a tax-funded system in most places. I can't have pets, so I don't have an opinion really.
Lulabel73
I have a dog but I don't bother with the insurance.
quizibuck
Yes, like everywhere else on earth. In every country someone dies because to try and treat them would be too expensive.
Lulabel73
People rarely die here because of money. Everyone gets treated at least.
quizibuck
People may not die because of a lack of *their* money, but that just means the rationing is done differently. Care is still rationed.
oieokillertofu
Yes and now they're fined for it. Thanks Obama.
Sekolah
All the time sadly
C18H27NO3
In the USA, the Hippocratic Oath has an addendum stating ''Unless they don't have money''.
hardlyfatal
...are you new? What do you think we've been shitting our pants over, since the election? Yes, ppl die here bc they're too poor for care.
Lulabel73
Not new but I kind of thought you'd get treated but lumped with a large bill. Not refused care for not being able to afford it.
spacerated
You would be correct, yes.
hardlyfatal
Oh. No, they'll still treat you, but it's so expensive that many ppl don't go. I'd literally rather die than be saddled w/a million $ bill.
Lulabel73
Thanks for clearing that up. Technically not turned away but will be bankrupt by it and left on the streets.
Gayforbae
And then you'll die, but it will be slower and with more suffering.
Cereaza
To be clear, you can not just get all the healthcare you need. They'll treat you if you're dying on the floor of the hospital. Nothing more.
hardlyfatal
Yes. I've seen ppl's lives destroyed by it. Before insurance, I embraced the old maxim: ignore pain, either it will go away or you will.
tinyfootprints
A guy, who had cancer, robbed a bank for $1 so he could go to prison where medical care is free. That's fucking sad but true.
whyyougottabesorude
Also prescription medication. Capitali$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$m bitches.
quaintpearl
type 1 diabetic-i'm going through SHIT with insurance right now for blood test strips. $70 with prescription, $35 on Amazon for the same
quaintpearl
I'm sticking with online supplies from now on, and not going through my insurance for a lot of things
viila
Where I live (Finland) diabetes is on the list of 100% subsidized medications because there is simply no alternative. You can't live without
quaintpearl
Can I come live with you lol!?!
warlockaflocka
Makes sense, especially since we know like Jack shit about type 1 diabetes
OmenJones
Yep. 'Merica.
Irmageddon
Yes.
Aylasita
I don't undertsand how you can call that a civilized coutry..
ZoidbergIsGreat
Oh yes... or they go for lifesaving procedures and then have medical debt that can follow them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxUAntt1z2c
Alegrispa
It's actually incredibly cruel when you really think about it...
jayar1st
Sort of. Hospitals have to stabilize, but that's all. A baby in the hospital will not be denied treatment due to poverty.
Typhian
But in a case like Jimmy's, the parents would be asked for consent, and then billed.
jayar1st
It's all pretty complicated, but parental decision-making ought to be accepted unless it is obvious to many that the decision is patently...
jayar1st
not in the best interest of the child or adolescent.
jayar1st
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2720471/
Typhian
Thanks for the info. Loss of power to consent gives parents an excuse to go further into poverty at least.
jayar1st
Yeah. It seems like the debate is framed as a choice between life and death. Really though, death is rare, but bankruptcy is common.
WhatIsThisImgurIHearAbout
I've literally heard people yell, "Don't call an ambulance I cant afford it" after a bad accident. It's pretty terrible
Kiltcourse
(1/2)I'm a college student with perfect health who has never been hospitalized my rates in 2016 were 182 per month, in 2017 rates changed to
Kiltcourse
(2/2) $340 over night and I can't possibly make the payments I cancelled and still owe two months advance + I now have no health insurance.
Lulabel73
That's crazy.
Silverforte
Are you joking or seriously unaware of this? I'm falling apart from several different issues because I can't afford treatment.
Lulabel73
Not joking, I thought you'd still get treatment just be billed after the fact. I didn't realise people were actually not treated due to $$
Silverforte
Sometimes you can get immediate help for things like a broken leg or something at the ER.
Lulabel73
That's madness
Silverforte
Add insult to injury: most of the staff don't care about you and are callous toward your issues, rude, talking down to you.
Grandestboom
I knew a guy who while bleeding heavily drove himself to a hospital cuz he couldn't afford an ambulance. It was crazy
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
yep. It's also not unheard of for people to die while fighting for their insurance to approve necessary treatment, because if you go ahead
ExtraordinAri
Was in court 10mos. Said I made too much for tier 1 but not enough for tier 2. Tried to fine me for not having insurance...
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
bastards
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
and get treated without their approval they don't have to pay
Gayforbae
So these are the real death panels huh?
Lulabel73
Unbelievable!
mkingi
Yeah, I had testing in January indicating a brain tumor (secretory adenoma) and a few days ago got approval for more testing to confirm.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
Jesus, that's vile. Hope your treatment goes well.
Lulabel73
I hope everything turns out ok for you.
cpdgcibseg
Yes. My sister has many medical conditions and cannot afford to see a doctor or afford medication. She's slowly dying.
Lulabel73
I'm so sorry.
cpdgcibseg
Thank you <3
lurkinginpublic
I had an asthma attack when I didn't have insurance and kept refusing to be taken to the hospital because I knew I couldn't afford it. 1/2
lurkinginpublic
Eventually a friend took me, and when I got to the hospital, I nearly collapsed. The doctors later told me that the level of oxygen in 2/3
lurkinginpublic
my blood was so low that my fingertips were blue and I nearly suffered a stroke. I was 22.
Lulabel73
That's alarming. I'm glad you survived.
LachyRK
When I see stuff like this I remember how lucky I am to be living in Australia, Yeah we have our fair share of problems but at least we 1/2
LachyRK
Don't have to choose between life and bankruptcy.
RJ123abc
Im 23 and in constant pain cause i was in an accident and was denied coverage, left with 8 herniated disks, woulda cost me close to $350,000
Lulabel73
Now that's crazy. Here you might have to go on a waiting list but you would be treated.
RJ123abc
It happened 3yrs ago, its to late for treatment.. to much scar tissue.. as long as i exercise and workout properly i won't need a wheelchair
Lulabel73
I hope things improve for you.
RJ123abc
Thank you
TotallyNotTheCIA
Yes
Lulabel73
That's terrible, where's the compassion?!
NotABadLookingNarcissist
There's a "god helps those who help themselves"/"pull yourself up from your bootstraps" philosophy that is impervious to facts or figures.
Lulabel73
In Australia our philosophy is "everyone deserves a fair go"
LaughterhouseFive
too many americans believe tax dollars shouldn't be spent for silly reasons like "compassion" or "saving human lives" or "any reason at all"
BlumpkinPie69
IT'S INHIBITING MUH FREEDOMS
Knion
Compassion doesn't exist in several American politicians' vocabulary, unfortunately
Lizaderp
Yeah. Compassion isn't profitable
Lulabel73
People vote them in.
Sekolah
And keep voting them in for some fucked up reason
ExtremeAndViolentButtFun
There is none.
GiantRobotsRule
There's a big chunk of the US population for whom people suffering and dying doesn't seem as awful as government doing something about it.
Lulabel73
I'll never understand that. Tax funded health care would solve more problems than not having it causes.
EricFromAccounts
Decades of reductionist and slanderous polemic blasting universal healthcare programs have sunk into America's bones.
lotharofthepotatopeople
Taxpayer-funded healthcare would take profits away from the giant corporations that make money off the joke that is American healthcare.
Reconcephelafacon
We prefer the freedom to die
GoodSameeritan
45,000 a year.
mkingi
And that's not counting those who don't die but end up suffering immensely and cannot work b/c of treatable illness
Lulabel73
Sorry scrub that. There are 45,000 deaths a year?!
Lulabel73
Medical insurance costs $45,000 a year?!
GoodSameeritan
45,000 thousand people die a year due to bot having health insurance.
Lulabel73
That's terrible.
BisonMooseDuck
Bots shouldn't need health care!
GoodSameeritan
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
GreyMorgan
Absolutely. Somewhere between several hundred to several thousand a year. Also, impossible medical debt is a major cause of homelessness.
Vercinger
Several tens of thousands actually.
fromthevalley77
I don't have insurance bc I absolutely cannot afford it. I need a particular surgery, I cannot afford it. I very well may die.
christiangoth
Gofundme?
tazerface
Just get insurance the day you walk in for the surgery then never make another payment.
pegesue
That would really work. I've been in health care for over 30 years. The only thing is you'd have to carry the insurance for at least three
pegesue
months so as your bills trickle in they would be paid. Imgur' s can we help this person out?
IJustLikeToArgue
That's the beauty of forcing insurance companies to accept pre-existing conditions without rules or cost differential. Thanks, Obama.
Cacapeepeepoopoo
Pls don't die!
Project25o1
So is it cheaper for you to pay the penalty for not having insurance? I've often wondered if people really do this since ACA was implemented
Frogsarethebestest
It depends. There are some people that make so little they are not penalized because it is not affordable, either through work or the market
Abysse
Yes it was $2000 per year scaling with the time you were uninsured. That is what makes the ACA unconstitutional and why so many
Counterfit
The Supreme Court said it falls under Congress' power to tax, so...
Abysse
conservatives are against it. It is the government forcing you to buy a product. Take that mandate out, and you'd have a lot less opposition
JustAnotherPOG
The problem with that is you must have the mandate if you are going to force insurers to cover preexisting conditions, which was a huge(1/2)
JustAnotherPOG
part of the ACA to begin with. Adverse selection is a bitch. (2/2)
smurfster
There's something called medishare. Its not health ins. Everyone shares the medical bills and it like 350/mth for a family. And you're
smurfster
Covered under ACA and won't be charged a penalty for not having health insurance.
pegesue
What procedure do you need?
RosegoldEverything
How much is your insurance? It tends to be around a few hundred a month tops for one person, from what I gather.
SmartnSexyRedheadinPA
My stepfather is retired (collecting no pension because he was self-employed)and my mom is a minister (earning only 20k yearly. Not TD 1/
SmartnSexyRedheadinPA
2/ Jakes money) and they pay well over $800 monthly for his Blue Cross through the ACA Marketplace. So yeah, it's expensive af! Still
SmartnSexyRedheadinPA
3/ better than having NO insurance though! He survived prostate cancer 4 years ago. Now he has tumors in his spine they think cancerous.
Kiltcourse
For any of thousands of people living on minimum wage or even up to $15 an hour that's not feasible on top of bills and rent. Esp. students.
RosegoldEverything
Then make a little extra on the side. $300/mo isn't hard. There are tons of options a lot of people don't look enough to find, or ignore.
RosegoldEverything
In the time you guys whined and DV'd, I finished several days' worth of coursework and made $25. Lol @ you.
Kiltcourse
Ohhhh silly me totally forgot, my grandma always said I should strip!
RosegoldEverything
"Wahh I don't have enough money, but god forbid I actually try something besides whining!" I'll be here with my easy extra income, lol.
RosegoldEverything
Do you people just enjoy struggling so much that you refuse to hear anything besides "you're doomed unless you're born rich"?
Bravacado
Ahahaha this is what you are:
ClimbThemCrimps
Lol my 60+ hours a week of work grad program totallyyyy allows for me to work the extra 30 hours a week it would take to make that. Right.
Lulabel73
So if you get cancer and can't afford treatment they turn you away?
Kiltcourse
I had a friend who was born with half a fukn GI tract, her mom had to file bankruptcy in order to get all the medical treatment necessary.
MrTay
No they will always treat You if don't have money but it will put you into heaps of debt. They don't turn away people without insurance.
Cereaza
Yeah. Cancer is not an acute condition. You go to the hospital and say you've got Cancer, they don't have to cure it.
ncstarbuck
That's fucked up
Lulabel73
That's a crime to me.
Cereaza
Do no Harm. Not "do all things you can to help everyone be the healthiest they can possibly be." That's the US System.
Jonataurus
thepowerofthebooty
In some cases, yes.
Lepiment
Breaking Bad. Seriously, that plot could not have worked in Europe, because you don't get broke from chemo...
PerkyPineapple
Would rather have the whole country go broke instead
Lepiment
Dude, I have universal healthcare and our deficit is way lower than yours. And we don't let people die for not being millionaires.
samsonguy920
Not just not afford. There are doctors in America that have their butt so far up their ass they dismiss lifesaving treatments and >
samsonguy920
> will actually work to prevent you from finding someone who will give proper treatment.
pegesue
I know from observation this is true.
LizardEnterprises
Yes. 61 people die every day because they can't afford insurance. Back before the ACA that was 122 people a day. The ACA halved uninsurance.
BikiniSamuraiBun
Well that's 43000 a year. So give him a second mandate and he may be a competitive mass murderer. Throw in a few wars and he gets top score.
Cereaza
And with Trump in office, we're gonna get those numbers back up. Make America Great Again!
BikiniSamuraiBun
Make America dead again?
Cereaza
The deadest! The most dead. You're gonna be so tired of being dead. Believe me.
Gayforbae
Thems rookie numbers, son. Aim for Holocaust levels!
Cereaza
Make American Reich Again!
lilmonkie
Too far man, too far.
Gayforbae
Or not far enough...
LizardEnterprises
*Source http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
LizardEnterprises
The previous version of Republicare would have doubled it, putting us back to 2008 levels and killing those 61 extra people, every day.
BikiniSamuraiBun
It is scary what they are trying to give you Americans as health care... In Europe the costs for everyone is approx 10% of salary. But works
LizardEnterprises
1/2 Almost every country in Europe has decent cost controls and universal coverage. All of them have strong government involvement to keep
LizardEnterprises
2/2 that way, but apparently about half of my countrymen would rather die than have any government involvement - until they hit 65 yrs old.
LizardEnterprises
This new version is probably worse. I can't wait to see what the CBO says about it...
Lulabel73
It's a real shame.
LizardEnterprises
1/2 Non-rhetorical question. How is it when Islamic Terrorists try to kill Americans it's a crime against nature, but when Republicans try
LizardEnterprises
2/2 to do it, it's just "a real shame". I'd like an actual answer on that.
StevenQUrkel
But don't worry. If you have a mental illness you can still get a gun, no problem.
DeercSnissassa
If it is known that you have the mental illness you can't
Lulabel73
That's funny because it's true.
JSBM
Hum... More it's not funny because it's true.
IOnlyFavoriteDickButtAndImNotEvenMad
This.
Dionysus187
I'm pro 2nd amendment but yeah, people with mental illness or you know, investigated for terrorism repeatedly shouldnt be able to get guns
whatsisname
Apparently you're not a big fan of the 14th amendment though.
Dionysus187
Good thing I didn't say 'without due process of law' or you might be right.
KharnApproves
Took my cousin who has severe depression and extreme anxiety six months to get into treatment. I bought a handgun in 10 minutes.
crazydiamondmlp
People in America will refuse to call or take an ambulance to get medical treatment because that alone can cost hundreds of dollars.
ilovecake
Yeah, a friend of mine got in an accident last year that broke both arms. He was sobbing in the ER over the cost. Almost turned down surgery
undungubungu
But how does that work with the hippocratic oath? Would doctors actually not save the child in a case like Kimmels?
rshini
They would, but then the parents will end up going bankrupt
PieAndPunch
Try thousands, with insurance
1Plebian
Hundreds??? It's thousands dude.
VagisilToothpaste
I almost died in 2015 because I couldn't afford ANOTHER trip to the hospital. I suffered some mild brain damage, but ya know...whatever.
LifeWithLyn
Broke my leg playing rec soccer, had signed a waiver saying they HAD to call ambulance, cost me $1000 on top of hospital bills to ride 5 min
Imissthe80sandIwanttogohome
You guys are getting completely fucked over. And then your politicians tell you that the NHS is some kind of communist thing.
Vercinger
Well, it is. The problem is amercians are thoroughly brainwashed into thinking communist things are bad.
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
I rode in an ambulance once. They performed no medical services, just drove me 2 miles to the hospital, and charged me $850.
BlueCanaryInTheOutletByTheLightSwitch
But that was 15 years ago, prices have likely tripled since then.
27yoUGLYvirgin
That's a normal cost though, in Europe as well. You have to keep in mind how incredibly expensive an ambulance is, the cost of equipment etc
27yoUGLYvirgin
Differce is, in Europe it's covered by insurance.
JadedWombat
As someone who got in an accident and had what the officer thought was a broken arm, I insisted on no ambulance. Couldn't afford it.
Cereaza
Must've been a tough motorcycle ride to the free clinic.
Falos
Hasn't happened to me yet, but that'll be me. "Oh you're insured they pay the other 90,000" "No *WE* pay it, in time. I'll build a cast."
StoneDick
And yet, EMTs and Paramedics can't make a decent wage.
j442
Why should we? We're just known as "ambulance drivers". Sad..
EdwardStarsmith
Lowest pay for the highest amount of training of any profession in the USA.
Counterfit
Uh, don't doctors require more training?
EdwardStarsmith
And they get paid more than Paramedics.
trippingthelightfantastic
That would cut into the insurance companies bottom line.
missing7
Insurance companies don't make a huge profit. Pharmaceutical and medical device companies do. That's where the cost comes from.
trippingthelightfantastic
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/news/health-insurance-industry-rakes-in-billions-while-blaming-obamacare-for-losses-110116.html
trippingthelightfantastic
http://www.weeklystandard.com/insurers-profits-have-nearly-doubled-since-obama-was-elected/article/2005073
trippingthelightfantastic
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/18/business/health-insurers-profit.html?_r=0
thetsunami
Then you have the people on the lowest end of the spectrum who will call an ambulance five to ten times a month to score pain meds from ER.
Monkeyfighter
After splitting my head open, I called an Uber.
NarfButterslut
Uber Ambulance™
whyyougottabesorude
Ambuluber™
ErasmusTycho
I thought I was getting something else when I booked this ride.
ngrneer
This is ingenious.
Falos
This is like a bad millennial joke except no one's fucking laughing because it's got 2real4me set to max.
Gayforbae
nosuchluck
Most uber drivers are told they are not allowed to transport to hospitals. Make sure the uber driver doesn't know your the one in need :)
Monkeyfighter
I'm an uber driver now and was never told that. Must be a regional thing.
Monkeyfighter
I didn't tell the driver I had a head wound, though. I wadded a heavy towel under the tightest beanie I had.
chunkyFunky
How is medical treatment in America so expensive??
Winterkalt
Medical treatment is expensive everywhere - but usually an insurance covers it.
Vercinger
Yes and no. Healthcare in the US is more than twice as expensive as in other wealthy countries.
BreadyStinellis
Hospitals are businesses here. The end goal is to profit.
scnottaken
Gotta pay those CEO's somehow.
The701
And the beloved shareholders.
trippingthelightfantastic
The supermassive black holes that we call health insurance companies.
missing7
Pharmaceutical and medical device costs are extremely high. So, care and coverage providers have to charge a lot of cover their own costs.
BreadyStinellis
Well, they also have to turn a profit. Hospitals are businesses. Drugs and equipment don't cost as much in other countries.
Denpants
No free healthcare. That's the actual, raw cost of medical stuff without government intervention
scnottaken
Damn epi pens costing hundreds of dollars to make, randomly.
obarey
Plus a fat profit margin.
Bossdogs
Your prices are also somewhat inflated by a system that incentivises overcharging
CDubbs
Also, the system as a whole is less efficient due to competition. Two MRIs within 5 miles, neither operating at 50% utilization...
CDubbs
Also, when I worked for a hospital group that merged, two of similar size were paying up to 10x difference for certain supplies. Same vendor
27yoUGLYvirgin
No it's not. Your drugs are up to 1000 times more expensive than ours. Just because they can. It's a business, they rip you off. Healthcare
27yoUGLYvirgin
In American on average is twice as expensive as anywhere else. Because they can. It's sometimes he exact same drugs that cost more.
Vercinger
Bullshit. The US government spends more on healthcare per capita than most other industrial nations. And slightly more than that amount 1/2
Vercinger
is paid privately. So you end up spending 2.5 times as much as the OECD average, and twice as much as other wealthy nations. 2/3
SirusKing
Capitalist economics, capitalist government.
infinitecorgis
Yeah. Got into an accident and first hospital couldn't treat my injuries. Was only there 8 minutes before I was transfered.
infinitecorgis
Those 8 minutes though? My bill was 23k for basically being diagnosed and sent to another hospital. That first ambulance ride was around 3k.
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
Many epileptics will wear an alert bracelet telling people not to call an ambulance if they have a seizure because it's so expensive
koalalover
Also because seizures (as long as they are not new, nor result in serious injury) should not be a reason to go the hospital
HoneyBunchesOfStoats
Fair point
Lulabel73
I'm Australian, we have to pay for an ambulance but you can get insurance for that which is about $100 a year for a family.
FiveDollars
People can get a insurance in America too.
Lizaderp
Holy fuck I'm paying $285 a month, because it's mandatory to do so
ireallycantthinkofanythingoriginal
I pay €20 a month for access to private hospitals with private rooms, nicer food and shorter waiting lists but I can still go 1/2
ireallycantthinkofanythingoriginal
go to a public hospital and be treated for free. My right to do so is literally guaranteed by the constitution 2/2
DukePhelan
My silver family plan is $850/ month with a $6500 deductible. USA land of the free but only if you can afford it.
Lulabel73
We pay less than that in tax.
DukePhelan
Oh I understand that, I am in full support of a national healthcare system, rest of the world does it no reason it can't work here.
IsuckAsthis
It's free in Queensland for our permanent residents.
Lulabel73
That's good. I'm in Victoria
whyyougottabesorude
I pay more than that for fucking Netflix
Lulabel73
And can you believe some people don't buy the insurance?!
LurKaiSen
2 persons covered, I'm paying $125/yr. That covers nothing. It's literally just so we don't pay the penalty. I have to have an HSA just 1/
LurKaiSen
to cover things like office visits and medications. I have to spend $10,000 in a year for my insurance to kick in and cover things 20/80. 2/
LurKaiSen
That's me paying 80%. AFTER I shell out $10,000. Co-pay doesn't exist in my plan and this POS is putting us in the red monthly. 3/3
LurKaiSen
Sorry, $125/mo. Not year. Stupid brain moment.
LurKaiSen
Also, HSA is a Health Savings Account. I have to take MORE money out of my paychecks and put it into this to be able to cover expenses.
Ordinarygirl
Our family insurance is 214 a month and that is cheap. We would still probably have to pay part of an ambulance ride.
Lulabel73
Here that's only for private insurance. If you don't have it you might have to share a room and be seen by a doctor not of your choice.
RPeggio
$1800/month for a healthy family of 4. That's down from $2100. Just a normal $1000 deductible plan. Yes, California.
RPeggio
Yet we have plenty of money to go screw up countries no one gives a shit about while Americans die from awful health care. Makes sense.
TracyAllenParks
$214 a MONTH?? who are you blowin' to get that rate! and is there a slot open?
Ordinarygirl
Ha! It is my husbands work. He is union, box factory. About to become supervisor (fingers crossed) and it will go up to 400.
TheImgurNeoConConcious
100 a year? please tell me ur kidding
AphroditesDimples
Not kidding. I've never heard of anyone hesitate to call an ambulance.
Raeilgunne
In America it is common to receive serious injury or be ill to the point of death and not call an ambulance or go the the hospital.
Cereaza
Considering a single ambulance ride is like... $3,000 minimum, you're guessing one person will need it in the next 30 years. Good bet.
Iastfan112
It's highly variable depending on your location. Parents work at a hospital, there's is ~600, in the town I live it cost my roommate $900.
Lulabel73
That's just for an ambulance not hospital cover because hospital cover is tax payer funded. You can also have private hospital cover 1:
Lulabel73
2: which can cost $2000 to $5000 depending on single vs family and ages.
Lizaderp
Can confirm. A 3 mile ambulance ride was $800. I hope my next car accident kills me. I don't wanna deal with bancruptcy or depression
SatoriEnlightenment
Harsh.
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NarfButterslut
Not sure the govt should be paying for 19 y.o. who decide they want to ride a death magnet.
flapperfemmefatale
why should old people be covered for it, then?
cleverbeans
Then maybe they should make death magnets illegal instead of denying people basic healthcare. Seems less evil.
terribleadvicecommentor
not sure you understand how much hospitals cost, i was 10, crashed my bicycle, 25,000 in bills, my family lost their home because of it.
terribleadvicecommentor
the government shouldnt pay for any of it, but maybe figure out how to reduce the cost? an accident shouldnt cost you everything you own.
Resh45
No fucking wonder this country is going down the shitter with morons like you.
bttycrckr
u can't be serious
sumowoman
Land of the free (terms and conditions apply)!
Sekolah
Often cheaper to get uber or such to drive you to hospital
SatoriEnlightenment
Hmmm... new Service? Ambuluber?
Gayforbae
That's a nightmare of a name
SatoriEnlightenment
You don't like it? :)
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Cereaza
Basically. If you need heart medication, you won't get it. But they'll pop your heart back on if it stops.
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Lulabel73
That's shocking! Here(Australia) cover is tax funded. It's not perfect and you might need to go on a waitlist for some things. 1:
Lulabel73
2: there are a few things that are not covered like experimental cancer treatments but for the most part it's pretty good.
chicktracy
thats insane, my uncle had cancer and bit later heart attack. treatments, drugs and few months in care cost him under 10k euros.
yallmfsneedjesus
Nope. Hospitals treat. They just bill later. NEVER is a pediatric patient denied care. This is a big misconception
mechanicalhemiola
You should read the other comments in the same comment tier giving multiple examples of how you're wrong, it'll be fun.
kiddub
Sure but then you are dealing with fatal illness, rather than providing preventative care to minimize fatal illness.
prelude
exactly
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Kiltcourse
(1/2)I grew up on Medicaid, as an orphan and was awful. My hearing aids weren't even totally covered because my impairment was "cosmetic"
Kiltcourse
(2/2) but get this, they cover more of the cost of braces than hearing aids. I may not be deaf, but cosmetic? Excuse me?