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FP EDIT w/ full quote:
“The schools we go to are reflections of the society that created them. No one is going to give you the education you need to overthrow them. Nobody is going to teach you your true history, teach you your true heroes, if they know that that knowledge will help set you free.”
- Assata Shakur, Assata: An Autobiography (1987)
somerandomtwat
you dont need education to overthrow "them". not that any sane person would want to overthrow "them"
BroDameron
Purposely. I finished it.
UserSubZer0
They just take a phrase of an amendment out of context to placate, letting think a gun can take on drones. Enjoy that pacifier.
VoiceofVeganReason
You have to learn how to make Molotov Peace Candles yourself.
rusrsdude
Untrue. Good educators do the exact opposite. There are many of them out there. They want you to succeed and surpass them.
wadenelson1
Probably why civics classes were curtailed.
cpnbeeb
Unless you forego the classist rhetoric that trades are for poor ignorant people and everyone absolutely must attend college/university.
88wut
Overthrow a government with the best military on earth?
Attaroo
The entire point is to make your kids better than you.
TheGodEmperorOfChaos
This also goes for a work environment.
chillerluvcats
Oh.
heebiejeepie
Very specious statement.
Thismuchistrue
HeartMlemBreaker
Assays Shakur: convicted of murdering new jersey state trooper Werner Foster in 1973, escaped from prison in 1984, and fled to Cuba.
HeartMlemBreaker
Currently on the FBI most wanted list for 2 million dollars.
whitefire14
What people think after taking Sociology 101 and all of a sudden think they're Marxists.
Drew442
I teach people how to do my job on a daily basis, knowing full well it's likely not one of them will put in the work do it on a basic level
OwenRawk
And they'll always tell you that it would be impossible.
DVSBSTrD
Did you go to a Catholic school?
o4kill
MRW when I realize I've educated myself most of my life... I don't really want to rule the world, that would get boring and hard. 1/2
o4kill
And I'd probably have to send the economists to gulag for raining on my parade and I don't like gulag.
Bysiyan
My reaction when when
Carefuler
Doesn't matter. 1/2 our population is trying to get rid of right to have the tools to do it before the revolution even starts.
H3fTyy
omg you guys. revolution iz bad ok? the system is the people. change the people dont force them to obey. that is fascist.
Carefuler
those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. : (
BishlamekGurpgork
The trick to not getting overthrown is to provide an education that can foster change without the need for overthrow.
VoiceofVeganReason
The trick to not getting overthrown is to give your subjects in far away, poorer countries no rights, while allowing your subjects in (1)
VoiceofVeganReason
Richer, morepowerful countries who are made to feel as separate from the act as possible all the benefits of the exploitation.
BishlamekGurpgork
If they're in other countries, are they still your subjects? You're talking about citizens living abroad?
VoiceofVeganReason
The mistake is to assume the nation is the one doing the oppressing, rather than the multinational corporations within the nations.
BishlamekGurpgork
The argument has no meaning in that context. Overthrow, regime, and citizenship have no meaning in a corporate context.
AcrimoniousDragon
One must learn to teach one's self, A teacher can only teach you so much.
StonedLikeACheatingMuslimWoman
We live in a society
dingusmcgeeinkinson
Well, the jerk store called...
heynsa
They’re running outta you!
VoiceofVeganReason
And that's relevant to this how?
Lilshadow48
It's a meme. Essentially the same as saying r/im14andthisisdeep
bumCandle
George Costanza ladies and gentlemen
boukalele
window seat gets the window, aisle seat gets extra leg room, middle seat gets the fucking armrests!
ijerkofftothingsyoureport
That’s how it should work, but we’ll know it dosnt
Imhonestlypartying
Is the point of an education to overthrow someone? If so, I've been using my degree completely wrong
Justalobstercowboy
no, to make wise choices instead of the choice they want you to make
heynsa
Lol
IAmTheNewOne
"WE DON'T NEED NO EDUCATION"
RetConMan
unclemeat70
Hey! Leave them kids alone!
AOCsUnshavenChode
-Assata Shakur, convicted murdered of a NY state trooper, Black Lib Army, Black Panthers... still true though
heynsa
I was incorrect. Credit given to Shakur in caption edit. Thank you for informing me.
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djethex
@thelastofusrodah is correct. The quote was originally said by Assata Shakur.
heynsa
I was incorrect. Credit given to Shakur in caption edit. Thank you for informing me.
heynsa
Sauce?
djethex
@OP I already posted the source above. FFS though, a simple Google search shows numerous sources for this. Seriously, fucking Google it.
heynsa
Damn man chill...link didn’t work on mobile........
Traja01
I don't know and I don't care, but isn't it possible that Schulz was pulling from another source
heynsa
Yes I suppose it is possible but not probable
djethex
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=No+one+is+going+to+give+you+the+education+you+need+to+overthrow+them
heynsa
I was incorrect. Credit given to Shakur in caption edit.
Traja01
Impressive. Upvoted.
mldidnothingwrong365
I just laugh at idiots who say stuff like this. They've been given more information than almost any human being has in history.
unclemeat70
Data is worthless without critical thinking.
mldidnothingwrong365
What's stopping you from learning critical thinking?
shhep
This. There are many crippling faults in US ed system, but fuck's sake, not teaching creative problemsolving =/= destroying creativity.
shhep
And I say that as someone from post USSR occupied country, where you actually were taught shit that was meant to destroy your intelligence.
SomeWeirdGuyOnTheInternet
Though the knowledge of the average person has raised, so has the knowledge of most governments. But it's a worthless thing to point out. 1
SomeWeirdGuyOnTheInternet
Yes, no country is going to willingly teach you how to make a missile unless it's your job, but I'm also more than happy with that fact. 2
MaverickTama
Its not that we're starved of information. Its not being taught how to interpret information through critical thinking.
PrinceSatisfactory
Idk if there is in fact a better way to teach critical thinking, but Id say the biggest issue with the current model is that it's competing/
PrinceSatisfactory
with Netflix and free porn. 2/2
DVSBSTrD
You have to actually try to think critically in order to learn it.
MaverickTama
Yes but kids dont want that. They want multiple choice easy questions and we give it to them even tho we know its not in their best interest
shhep
Okay, hold up, I've seen imgurians demand from US education system both teaching advanced critical thinking and FUCKING COOKING or taxes,
shhep
one of which is literally follow instructions and don't fall asleep, while the other is, know how to use an easy dedicated program, chose
shhep
what you want, because you can't expecting from schools to be both catering to idiots and teaching the polar opposite of that.
MaverickTama
Thats the issue with education. As it stands we only go as fast as the slowest person. Leaving clever ones unchallenged and often lazy.
MaverickTama
You could say that in a way we are killing ourselves with kindness by trying not to leave anyone behind.
mldidnothingwrong365
Everything you need for that is at your fingertips. Just stop looking at cat videos and big anime tiddies for a five minutes.
Scave
I prefer to combine my learning with big anime tiddies, it helps with mamerization. Oops pardon me memorization.
MaverickTama
Learning how to think is a process. Extrapolating and interpreting data is a skill. Practicing a skill the wrong way doesnt hone it.
mldidnothingwrong365
You're on a gigantic communications network. You don't need spoonfed.
MaverickTama
I dont have the same neuroplasticity i had in my younger years. And besides its a crucial tool for education why not teach it in school?
itsdarkandicantseewhatimtyping
Tell that to the Sith.
Mumalot
you're confusing this with "over head throw" them.
LordBaneoftheSith
This guy gets it.
AngrySpaceStarfish
Sooooooooo trueeeeeee, Damn I love the sith.
mattihase
Yeah how's that working out for them?
PowwerOrb13
Pretty good considering they were all dead for a time and yet they still rose to a position of power again.
mattihase
Fair enough.
inbadtaste
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise?
JustCallMeBean
https://pics.me.me/cello-there-general-tromboni-30546455.png
o4kill
I have not seen this before! @ExtraUpvote !
LiarLiarPantsUntier
I know as much as it’s a story the jedi wont tell you. A Sith legend.
FrenziiTheSuccubus
MrThomasShelby
isn't it ironic? dontcha think?
Abekrampe
Its like raee--aaaiinn on a padmes grave, like a mortal pri-ice that you already paid
fizzlebuns
If they were a good teacher, yes they would because it means they prepared you for independent thought and agency to change things.
Ablackguywithnorecord
Public schools don't have good teachers
NotShakespearesSchool
Actually no. They have to follow strict curriculums Or face disciplinary action. Unless you are referring to gifted and talented teachers...
classyname
I was going to comment the same thing but looked to see if someone already did. Have my upvote fine sir.
JapAnus
This is public school we're talking about. Not imagination land.
Elroydb
No that's really how the US public school system was designed. The top 10% or so were taught a traditional liberal arts education
Elroydb
If any of you were in advanced classes in school just think of how you were sequestered from the rest of the students and how
Elroydb
acting superior like "Oh you're reading THAT book" or "We did THAT math last year" wasn't chastized at all
shhep
Okay, while I see you point, I'd like to remind everyone you actually NEED to sit through the boring stuff before getting to independent
shhep
thought. I see students complaining about that very thing and I'm like, bitch, you see (x+y)^2 and fucking panic, how about you get basics
shhep
before getting to what is actually the most tasking and difficult part of education?
Ablackguywithnorecord
Or you could read world history, something not taught in public school. But at least I know the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell!
IAmAHollow
Which is why it's a comic, it's a satirical comment on our current selection of teachers (not school teachers, don't crucify me pls ':)
fizzlebuns
It's also trying to condition you that education is a lie and this 'comic' is an insidious propaganda tool.
IAmAHollow
Or that we should question authority because blind obedience saps our humanity. You can make anything sound dramatic with the right words :)
stormegedendarklordofall
Cough Hitler cough
unclemeat70
And they’ll pile on the debt for that worthless education so you will never be free of them.
flapperfemmefatale
my education was pretty fucking awesome. you only get out what you're willing to put in.
DVSBSTrD
Then maybe don't get a worthless degree? I get a job with a history major, but I know damn well how to overthrow them.
somerandomtwat
no you dont. and even if you could why would you want to go against democracy just so you can put your shitty opinions into practice
ijerkofftothingsyoureport
Like your projecting your shitty options right now?
somerandomtwat
i aint overthrowing democracy to do it, you can just ignore my opinion. also saying that you should not overthrow a democracy so some idiot
somerandomtwat
can put in some half baked idea they came up with is a "shitty opinion"
TresusIbor
Colleges pile on a fuckton of expensive core classes on top of the ones you actually want to take.
ijerkofftothingsyoureport
Than could you go ahead and do it please
DVSBSTrD
I'm trying, but nobody is listening.
ijerkofftothingsyoureport
Never stop
somerandomtwat
why would you want that?
shhep
It's fucking terrifying that the most powerful country on earth has made its citizens think education can be worthless, jesus fucking christ
Ablackguywithnorecord
If it's worthless then it's not an education. A lot of doublespeak coming out of you, well brainwashed.
ActionJohnnie
And that it’s someone else’s fault for their debt. No one piled it on. Debtor signed the papers.
ianyuy
Ah, yes. Fuck you, 18-year-old me! You should've known better than to listen to your elders. I deserve to pay for this lesson until I'm 45.
CygloPargen
Lol yeah, it's pretty low to swindle people who are, by definition, uneducated.
unclemeat70
If they don’t teach you any thing of value then it is worthless. https://www.jamesgmartin.center/2017/03/college-graduates-still-cant-think/
shhep
Are you really implying that critical thinking is everything one learns at university? And if that's lacking in 40% of graduates, it was
shhep
worthless to them?
CyborgScribe
I got a page not working error. Who is james martin?
shhep
and all they needed to do was to charge crazy money for teaching it. Where is the future in such actions, it's awful.
minepagan
It's not that education is bad, but that not everyone needs the same exact type of education.
Traja01
Between the two options, educating everyone is the more moral and proper thing to do.
Traja01
There is also value outside of simple knowledge that education confers, that all people can benefit from.
Traja01
If you're a citizen in a democracy, then there's a basic standard everyone must meet. Or not, but then those people shouldn't get to vote.