I'm just picturing the equivalent being in a story and people thinking it's nice. "An 80 year old man is shackled to push a mill wheel every day. His wife was dying and with no other option he promised 20 years of servitude to the king for his men to try to save her life. She died anyway, but he is still bound to be a slave for what will likely be the rest of his life." reader: "wow what a sweet story"
Not all US states are the same. I have a health exchange insurance plan here in MA. Its tier 2 which means I have the 2nd lowest out of pocket expenses but I never get a bill for services. I wonder if I get a check if I should need a medical service and I've switched to the lowest out of pocket plan? A month of Munjarno is $25, w/o insurance its several hundred dollars. My monthly premium is less than $200
There is for-profit healthcare in EU as well; Sweden for instance. But here it is heavily regulated, and tax-payed. Yes: tax-payed for-profits. Not everyone like it, but it does work. Regulations together with a one-payer-system is the key.
In Canada that man can watch the price is right, and his wife would not have a medical bill. or debt. Even the concept of medical debt sucks - show me again how hospitals help people?
thank you for putting ANYTHING else as a title other than the exact same text as in the picture. really hate those posts that do it. REALLY REALLY hate it. why make me read the exact same thing twice???
The only [former] 1st world country to have medical debt and medical bankruptcy. Also the only one to have refused Universal Health Care for All - because it was 'Communist', according to the Pro-Life Party. And now our President is tearing down the only help to poorest have. Fucker!
"would be a waste if you didn't use it?" Nah, that's not how they do it. It's more like "shit! The machine is going to run out of orphans. If it runs out of orphans, it might break something." "But I don't want to crush orphans." "Do you know who else didn't want to crush ophans? Bad steve. And Bad Steve took the orphans away from the machine and molested them. You don't want to be like bad steve" "what if we lubricated it with oil instead of puppy tears?" "Sounds like Steve talk."
Should have legally separated and declared bankruptcy. Everyone would have been happier. This is just financial illiteracy masquerading as boomer nobility.
Nah. That is a corrupt and fucked up system. That's what it is. You should be angry at the system and the class of people protecting it, not the guy who refused to seperate from his wife to avoid her medical debt.
Uh what the fuck? First, you can't change a system you don't understand. Second, most people can't afford to change the system. it's hard enough just to survive. Third, you gotta make the best choice for yourself at the time. I don't think he had the ability to change the entire system while his wife was dying. He sure could have consulted numerous free resources to help advise him on his medical debt, though.
Having actually gone through bankruptcy and divorce, it certainly isn’t a fix-all, unless maybe you’re rich, then it’s just a financial tool. But for the rest of us poor, it still causes a lot of other problems.
I didn't say it was a magic fix. Just that everyone would be happier. And the tax benefits from marriage are far outdone by the benefits of separation to spare the other spouse. You still live together, you still love eachother, you just dont get saddled with bulshit debt.
I’m not disagreeing with you there, but calling someone “financially illiterate” because they haven’t done that, and especially in this system designed to keep us poor is more than a bit harsh and not a fair judgement.
I don't see how that's harsh or unfair. If someone can't read, they are literally illiterate. That's what the word means. If you don't make good financial decisions, that's generally because you dont know how to. Which is financial illiteracy. I guess he could just WANT to be in medical debt, but that seems unlikely. And I see this shit all the time, old people not thinking beyond some odd sense of duty to the system, and not considering options. My wife is an OT, working with geriatrics.
They don't teach those skills in school either, right? And the Orange regime is currently working on breaking up the public schooling system entirely.....
Marital property where they're jointly liable. You see a fair amount of divorces happen explicitly to avoid this sort of situation in jurisdictions where a surviving spouse would otherwise inherit their terminal spouse's debt.
Yeah if my dad wants to get medicade that covers most of his illnesses when he passes the land and home will go to the state for reparations. Don’t mind 99% of his disabilities were caused by the DOD poisoning soldiers in Vietnam then denying them health care for it. As for VA they nearly amputated his right arm when he went in for an appendicitis in 1993 so he refuses to go. There ever again.
Our country doesn't have this kind of medical system (yet), but this seems like a good time to strap on a bomb-vest and visit the company who you own the debt to.
They meant that usually you aren't responsible for another person's medical debt (or debt in general). Even a spouse or other family member. That debt is *theirs*, exclusively, and can't just be passed along to you if they're unable to pay - such as by dying. ... In this case, I think the guy took on a lot of extra burden himself by keeping his wife at home, buying things she needed, etc. There are no details provided, other than that she was on medicare and he accrued debt keeping her at home.
The reference to WKRC likely places him in Ohio, where debts (including medical debt) accrued by married couples are the responsibility of both individuals. He's still on the hook for it.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
tarataqa
"America has to one of the only..."
lightfoot2
yep, medical debt is generational
AnythingMuchShorter
I'm just picturing the equivalent being in a story and people thinking it's nice. "An 80 year old man is shackled to push a mill wheel every day. His wife was dying and with no other option he promised 20 years of servitude to the king for his men to try to save her life. She died anyway, but he is still bound to be a slave for what will likely be the rest of his life." reader: "wow what a sweet story"
eion85
I'm starting to be really glad that my State is passing euthanasia as an option for the terminally Ill.
StephenDaniels
Not all US states are the same. I have a health exchange insurance plan here in MA. Its tier 2 which means I have the 2nd lowest out of pocket expenses but I never get a bill for services. I wonder if I get a check if I should need a medical service and I've switched to the lowest out of pocket plan? A month of Munjarno is $25, w/o insurance its several hundred dollars. My monthly premium is less than $200
Ababybunny
Universal healthcare approves your suffering
ImYourWifesBoyfriend
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FeloniousMonk13
The very fact that healthcare in the US is a profit-making enterprise is deeply morally repugnant
RealPenguin
There is for-profit healthcare in EU as well; Sweden for instance. But here it is heavily regulated, and tax-payed. Yes: tax-payed for-profits. Not everyone like it, but it does work. Regulations together with a one-payer-system is the key.
Medellei
RatoMolhado
djangojazz
Brought to you by Sinclair Broadcasting.
sexualtyrannosaurus
ol orphan crushing machine..
Comboverman
In Canada that man can watch the price is right, and his wife would not have a medical bill. or debt.
Even the concept of medical debt sucks - show me again how hospitals help people?
oudyn
thank you for putting ANYTHING else as a title other than the exact same text as in the picture. really hate those posts that do it. REALLY REALLY hate it. why make me read the exact same thing twice???
ididntgetthejobatfruitloops
This is a fucking travesty
TNSCLuotaMEa4fVN
The only [former] 1st world country to have medical debt and medical bankruptcy. Also the only one to have refused Universal Health Care for All - because it was 'Communist', according to the Pro-Life Party. And now our President is tearing down the only help to poorest have. Fucker!
hfctom
Source is here and literally every comment was "Luigi was Right" https://www.facebook.com/WKRCTV/posts/pfbid02anauvpUGaQbHcY4XrbBHjokcexi4VttfKMYKZMd3t8t7VjaNA9kPnMB7Qo58tPxFl
Mithi
Maybe not, he should have gone for Blackrock directly.
Imadethisaccounttopost
Wife's dead, there should be no more debt.
Fuck America.
Karma1970
Ababybunny
There is blood in this beet!!!
Karma1970
euphoricopportunity
"would be a waste if you didn't use it?" Nah, that's not how they do it. It's more like "shit! The machine is going to run out of orphans. If it runs out of orphans, it might break something." "But I don't want to crush orphans." "Do you know who else didn't want to crush ophans? Bad steve. And Bad Steve took the orphans away from the machine and molested them.
You don't want to be like bad steve" "what if we lubricated it with oil instead of puppy tears?" "Sounds like Steve talk."
Karma1970
Damn Steve!
thedtp
TZO2k15
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Mehtoes
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frozenlake247
Hey it’s DongLover!
MacklinBurtMacklinFBI
Late Wife! Late wife's medical debt! Yeahhh at that point come fucking get me
Snooj
She's dead. Let her pay the bills.
DeadWhiteMale
That makes Mike Collins proud. /gallery/theyre-so-endlessly-transparently-disgusting-uUzKHVI
lightfoot2
Think this is bad? The hospital kidnapped my dad to keep milking him for money. Kind of wild to be honest.
ScienceIsNotALiberalConspiracy
Wait - you mean there are people who will milk me? And they pay for the pleasure??
fantabuloustimewaster
Just for your money.
EngorgedPhallus
Should have legally separated and declared bankruptcy. Everyone would have been happier. This is just financial illiteracy masquerading as boomer nobility.
LtRooney
Hey quick question. What in the ever-loving fuck is wrong with you?
powerrangerpl
Nah. That is a corrupt and fucked up system. That's what it is. You should be angry at the system and the class of people protecting it, not the guy who refused to seperate from his wife to avoid her medical debt.
adsmit82
I mean, pretty sure "everyone would be happier" if you didn't have such a bloodsucking bullshit system in the first place...
Thorinori
Or, hear me out... we could have a system that doesn't require people having to find loopholes to not go into debt due to medical issues?
EngorgedPhallus
I dont recall ever saying the system was good.
Dustorn
No, but you sure fucking defended it by describing *not* taking those loopholes as "financial illiteracy".
EngorgedPhallus
Uh what the fuck? First, you can't change a system you don't understand. Second, most people can't afford to change the system. it's hard enough just to survive. Third, you gotta make the best choice for yourself at the time. I don't think he had the ability to change the entire system while his wife was dying. He sure could have consulted numerous free resources to help advise him on his medical debt, though.
CurbYourClassWar
Having actually gone through bankruptcy and divorce, it certainly isn’t a fix-all, unless maybe you’re rich, then it’s just a financial tool. But for the rest of us poor, it still causes a lot of other problems.
EngorgedPhallus
I didn't say it was a magic fix. Just that everyone would be happier. And the tax benefits from marriage are far outdone by the benefits of separation to spare the other spouse. You still live together, you still love eachother, you just dont get saddled with bulshit debt.
CurbYourClassWar
I’m not disagreeing with you there, but calling someone “financially illiterate” because they haven’t done that, and especially in this system designed to keep us poor is more than a bit harsh and not a fair judgement.
EngorgedPhallus
I don't see how that's harsh or unfair. If someone can't read, they are literally illiterate. That's what the word means. If you don't make good financial decisions, that's generally because you dont know how to. Which is financial illiteracy. I guess he could just WANT to be in medical debt, but that seems unlikely. And I see this shit all the time, old people not thinking beyond some odd sense of duty to the system, and not considering options. My wife is an OT, working with geriatrics.
Mirrormancer
They don't teach those skills in school either, right? And the Orange regime is currently working on breaking up the public schooling system entirely.....
EngorgedPhallus
...yes. thus "illiteracy."
Noodlesocks
Why would he have to pay off his late wife's debt?
sleepinggreenidea
Marital property where they're jointly liable. You see a fair amount of divorces happen explicitly to avoid this sort of situation in jurisdictions where a surviving spouse would otherwise inherit their terminal spouse's debt.
RealPenguin
It's interesting that something horrible can be turned into something worse...
Goatfer
You'll be happy to learn that if you need MedicAid in life, the State will take your home when you die! So no generational wealth there!
retailmemedrone
Yeah if my dad wants to get medicade that covers most of his illnesses when he passes the land and home will go to the state for reparations. Don’t mind 99% of his disabilities were caused by the DOD poisoning soldiers in Vietnam then denying them health care for it. As for VA they nearly amputated his right arm when he went in for an appendicitis in 1993 so he refuses to go. There ever again.
CaldariBob
They'll likely take his home otherwise?
pyr0max
Our country doesn't have this kind of medical system (yet), but this seems like a good time to strap on a bomb-vest and visit the company who you own the debt to.
paintingagency
Read Cory Doctorow's story "Radicalized" some time.
westellar
They meant that usually you aren't responsible for another person's medical debt (or debt in general). Even a spouse or other family member. That debt is *theirs*, exclusively, and can't just be passed along to you if they're unable to pay - such as by dying. ... In this case, I think the guy took on a lot of extra burden himself by keeping his wife at home, buying things she needed, etc. There are no details provided, other than that she was on medicare and he accrued debt keeping her at home.
CaldariBob
The reference to WKRC likely places him in Ohio, where debts (including medical debt) accrued by married couples are the responsibility of both individuals. He's still on the hook for it.
westellar
The 80 year old guy? Article says he's in Utah.
CaldariBob
And are marital debts shared by both individuals in Utah? The answer may surprise you!