ChrisVZ
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Mar 17, 2022 7:15 PM
ChrisVZ
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yourekillingindependentgeorge
F that. Know your worth and don't let them try to back you into a corner about an offer because they think you're desperate.
JinxRocks
When a Cheney of all people call you a “useful idiot”, you done fucked up, now!
ProcrastinatorMasturnater
If I made $11 less than I make now I would be in the $6 an hour range oof.
GuillotinesRUs
Fuuckin hate the "we will tell you how much the job pays at the end of the process" bullshit
Cats2cats
Did you laugh at them?
slyvic
Counter offer mate. You're quite happy where you are now. It would take x amount to get you to budge.
superscout0233
I got a job offer like that. When I turned them down they were “upset I wasted their time”. I pointed out they were the ones wasting time.
Hiboredimdad
I took a job 17$ less than my last. I was really bummed but the other perks are so worth the change.
Santac99
Some employees here in Denmark give 8% pension, 40h/week and only 5week vacation. Others give 17%, 37/w, 6w. The 8/17% is easy to adjust for
bikergeek6249
Laugh in their faces and tell them "It's not 2008 any more."
WeirdStealth
Did you tell them that you don't even roll out of bed for anything less than what you make now?
dogboybastard
Counter offer with an $11 per hour raise to what you make now and tell them "That's my final offer".
ElviraQueenOfDarkness
Currently looking for new work. Asking 500more for 10% less hours. If they really want me thell pay.
KillEmAlllllllllllwithkindness
110% this.
Roguishpotato
I was once told that these were just grounds for negotiating the salary. But im not sure because i have yet to get an interview.
wesruv
Not in my experience, if they come in much lower than expected it usually means it's not going to happen.
clarkWhogotsanity
Sound about right. Even just state to state rate differences are bad
softsuit
If you agree don't think it's their final offer.
sweetandsmokey
11$*40hrs/week*52weeks per year 22,880.00$. It makes a difference.
chimchim666
tell them their days on this earth are numbered while plucking out one of your own eyes
icannotthinkofanyrationalname
I have been getting weekly job offers over the last 18 months, all with a 20% to 30% pay cut.
icannotthinkofanyrationalname
I tell them that, right up front, but they just keep explaining what a great opportunity it is.
theinternetkeepsmealive
Don't settle for less than you are worth. They can afford to pay you they just don't want to. Stand your ground.
Lurkninja
But JUST THINK of the exposure!!! /s
Cultistchan
congratz on making enough money that you can be paid 11$ less and it to be legal i guess XD
ChrisVZ
Yeah, job pays well, but corporate mentality is all about maximum production w/ minimum staff to cook the books for shareholders.
Daxton
I'm an experienced night Auditor and can't find a new position for anything over than minimum wage. The current job market HURTS.
GreatDaneGirl
I was offered a job with worse Healthcare and less money. Don't ask for 10+ yrs experience to pay entry level.
IdiotSavantTinker
So... $22,000 LESS per year? Did you laugh at them?
ChrisVZ
Was nice about it, but instantly said no thanks.
IdiotSavantTinker
I'd say an $11/hr pay cut doesn't deserve "nice".
CommanderFraeyaShepard
I make 11 an hour ...
soulman901
That’s a nope on that good buddy. They don’t know their employees worth and would probably treat you like crap.
Palenimbuswhite
My job is giving 7-8% raises this year just to keep people here. It's a mass exodus everywhere. I do corporate AV for a large hotel.
VibratingNipples
I started out with 11$/hour and now I make 13$/hour after 4 years. It will take time
AGrammeIsBetterThanADamn
you lost money
VibratingNipples
Explain
AGrammeIsBetterThanADamn
Cooper1977
I have an interview Monday and I suspect the pay is going to be about 7-10k less a year than I currently make. Gonna have to say "no thanks"
displacedgothamist
I took a $40K pay cut to get my foot in the door. Now back to normal levels after 2 years. QoL majorly improved.
neospor1n
My wife told last interviewer, negotiations start at x. First offer was x-20k. They later claimed “ohh we thought that was your goal”
freakstate
You may be a stronger candidates than others. Stick by your expectations, you will either be beyond what their budget is or.....
freakstate
....they will have to make an internal business case to take you on because you're awesome. Depends on the type of business though
ladylambi
Yeah I was looking elsewhere but with jobs the way they are I'd take the same. Gonna try to suffer the microaggressions and bullshit for now
Atomic2
You havent discussed comp before getting this far in? I start with comp first and if they don't want to talk about it, its because they >>
Atomic2
know its not competitive. At the very least if its a job I really want, I tell them my expected range up front and asked them if it makes >>
Atomic2
sense for us to continue. //
putcleverusernamehere
Anything less is just wasting everyone's time
otherJeffsarefalseJeffs
Not really, there is value in making sure your interview skills are staying sharp.
slinkhi
I'd be willing to take a pay cut if other things were better, like insurance, work travel, job/role stability, etc.
Baltzdelirium
Agreed less stress is reverb sometimes a nice trade off.
swanglemydangle
My wife took a job paying $10k/yr less, the benefits are better and she brings home more now with bumping up her 401(k) contributions
RevRagnarok
If I can work from home, that would be an extra hour a day in my pocket... that's a full day every two weeks...
slinkhi
Adds up even more if you consider things like transportation $$ saved, meal $$ saved, laundry $$ saved. Depends on your job and status quo.
RevRagnarok
Yep; 60 miles a day...
thricebakedxyz
As a +55yo I took pay cut for less stressful job at diff company. Ended up w under 35yo's who hated me the minute I arrived. Pure hell.
Samperr
Thats my exact situation. Taking a $25k/yr paycut to work somewhere WAY better for me.
LocketRauncher
I get paid literally a third of what I used to and couldn't care less because it's so much fun. (Went from industry to grad research)
tooomanystevesgotbanned
Relying on your job for health insurance is still a fucking crazy idea to me. --Aussie.
slinkhi
I agree. I hate it.
mantabloke
NO
Feralphobia
Daycare! I would leave my job for 10 less an hour if the job had on-site daycare
Einherion
Probably a savings actually lol
Feralphobia
thisisagoodnametrustme
Seven months ago I took a near $30K/yr pay cut. Went from 75+ hrs/wk with shit insurance to City job with amazing retirement.
TheN8
But did you actually take a cut in $/HR, or did you just get a job working less hours with better benefits?
thisisagoodnametrustme
New job has better hourly wage (it's a salaried position) for sure.
spacecowboyein
Ya I'm taking at least a $50k pay cut to work 10-20 hrs less a week
DewkNukem
Working 80 hours is like having 2 jobs. 30k a year for 40 extra hours a week is not a massive paycut. congrats on life :)
thisisagoodnametrustme
Best decision ever. Now have time with family and newborn son. Haven't looked back.
DonutOlympian
I switched cities a few years ago. Took a 33% pay cut and I'm still not back up where i was at, but it was worth it to get out
Ffleance
Good for you!! The important things in life. :)
ReVOzE
This. I took a 2k paycut for the 1st year because better QoL and a higher earning ceiling. Worth it to me.
spookyactionatadistance
I now refused to compromise. I'm in a position where employers are fighting. So today I accepted an offer for 30k more, Twice the vacation
spookyactionatadistance
2) better insurance, WFH, bonuses, etc
chefsoda
$11/hr cut is almost $23K/yr. That's a huge loss, unless the pay is question is massive
wipethatfaceoffyourheadbitch
Sometimes medical costs alone can make that worth it. Especially seeing how much insulin is.
slinkhi
Yah but some benefits are also huge, like how much vaca/pto you get. Whether or not you can WFH, whether or not insurance is fully paid, etc
slinkhi
Hell, even if all other things are equal, working for a shady startup company vs. well established stable company is a huge factor.
slinkhi
Pay rate doesn't mean anything if company goes under a month after you start. Or starts asking you to do questionable things..
FartsSmellBad
for $11/hr those things better be fucking amazing
Ssemo
22k/yr buys a lot of things
hwatL4bloopy
I mean it might be ok if the cut was from 100 dollars per hour. And they're still getting 89 an hour
BiggestofBears
On average I'd guess it would be fine all the way down to 45-50 or so.
sweetandsmokey
At that rate it’s a senior position with a lot of stress and responsibility. I will not accept even -1$ less! Company ride you like a horse.
RandomlyAppointedNSAAgent
I couldn't live off of 11 an hour anymore.
SmeesNotVeryGoodTwin
$11 *less.* OP is losing a part-time worker's paycheck.
RandomlyAppointedNSAAgent
Oh yeah I missed that qualifier lol
LetsEatGrandpaCommasSaveLives
Yeah single dad with 2 kids...we would all die
RandomlyAppointedNSAAgent
I feel you dude. My wife and I are having our third this year (unplanned, and literally while u was researching vasectomies with my -/
RandomlyAppointedNSAAgent
Insurance). We are hitting a real lean week this week. Fortunately I finally talked her into letting me start a pantry this year, so I -/
ChrisVZ
Would actually be losing benefits from 20 years at the previous place. Applied looking for relief from endless forced overtime
Newfehotep
Hope your counter offer goes somewhere, but it sounds like you're both really far apart. ?
QuintinParry
Have you factored in the over time into the hourly salary. Lots of positions pay less when you consider that.
AlmostScientist
That sounds like a horrible deal ngl
SplicketyLit
Oh. You work for FedEx?
RawSugarPackage
What kind of work you into?
ChrisVZ
Pharmaceuticals, low level management. Offer was from fabrication place that has contracts with NFL, MLB
sweetandsmokey
I hear you, you need a change. Just not at that cost. You might end up doing overtime and getting stressed for less money anyway!
bustercuster
Just did the same last year. Took a $8/pay cut plus benefits are higher but now I work 4 10’s instead of 6-7 10-12’s. If you can afford it….
bustercuster
BreathBeStank
Oh it's a different company?
ChrisVZ
Yeah
BreathBeStank
Well companies don't always negotiate wage from other businesses immediately. You will have to do that yourself and just reject cur offer
Bmxtucker
Depending on country/state, type of work, they likely can’t fire you for refusing overtime. Look up your local laws and only communicate>
Bmxtucker
Through texts and emails. If they fire you in person, pull out your phone immediately and record. Even “at will” states won’t allow>
Tr1gg3rH4ppy
You can be charged in pa for recording audio of a conversation without permission.
Bmxtucker
Them to fire you without providing UI benefits for refusing overtime.
IsaystoMable
Would u need to work OT with an $11 pay cut?
sweetandsmokey
Without OP choosing to make up for the 11$ with OT …. You don’t know it’s all rosy at the interview. They might still ask him for overtime.
Einherion
I can't follow your question.
IAmTheBadW01f
They're asking if, making 11 less per hour, that OT would now be needed for OP to survive
ChrisVZ
Could have made ends meet with a $5 cut, but to do so with their offer, I would have to drain my retirement savings to pay off some debt.
ChrisVZ
With a 40 hour week I mean.