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Jan 10, 2024 7:39 PM
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pleaseacknowledgethecat
Or even if you personally decide to reject it. That’s your choice. Doesn’t mean it’s not real. Believe in conspiracy theories, flat planets, dragons, Bigfoot, etc… no one cares. But stop standing in the way of empirical data. It’s annoying, dangerous and costly. Basically, shut up and sit down.
JonnyHeat
Great message, but personally I'd dial back the 5-syllable words. Gotta know your audience, ya know?
elejosh
Those people you’re talking about probably won’t understand that sign either.
StellarJay77
Science is true and exists whether you understand it or not. The same does not hold true for religion. Religion requires believers to exist.
DesdemonaMoor
Excerpt of a favorite Sam Harris argument on the Bible. https://www.samharris.org/blog/reply-to-a-christian
Godryc
This notion is actually on the list of logical fallacies - the personal incredulity fallacy:
"Argument from incredulity, also known as argument from personal incredulity, appeal to common sense, or the divine fallacy, is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition must be false because it contradicts one's personal expectations or beliefs, or is difficult to imagine."
yaymuffins0
This kind of shit is a great zinger but it doesn't stop them from voting and making decisions that effect everyone. The very fact the they don't understand the basic premise of scientific thinking means this does no good except piss people off
reddenbocker
It's not that they *can't* grasp it. They just *refuse to try* grasping it. There's a difference.
Pizza0Style0Burrito
bonoboforscale
Here’s the thing, basic scientific methods and discoveries aren’t even that hard to grasp, it’s just willful ignorance, they don’t WANT to actually understand things that might challenge their comforting illusions about reality
Groostav
I mean, a great deal of heinous shit has been done in the name of science. Eugenics was considered a form of science; it was believed we could use a scientific approach to determine good human stock. Good science is both simple and falsifiable, thus it is likely understandable.
Glaive18
Probably being held by someone who says sex is a social construct...
4thwalled
PhilKenSebban
But but... the Jewish space lasers!!!
MeowMachine12
I love a Youtube channel called Moth Light Media that focuses on evolution, especially about ancient species or big questions such as when lung developed or how feathers came to be. There's always a handful of idiots in the comments spewing nonsense about God and how he's responsible for XYZ topic, not science and evolution.
TheOneTrueZippy8
Along the same lines....
Br0doSwaggins
Their arguments these days are that "Scientists are bought out by Big Pharma/Solar/EV/Woke"
solarshado
Unfortunately, they've got part of a point: there has been bad science funded by business interests. Luckily, it tends to not hold up to scrutiny though, either just by finding something iffy about their data/methodology or failing to independently replicate the study.
SecretAgentSuperBooger
sharkmanspi4
Science is a tool. It’s a method used to get information. It’s not a question of “believing” in science. That’s a stupid way to put it really. Whether or not you believe in something, we use information. All people do. What a ridiculous argument altogether.
Clayman8
If they could read, they would probably get very mad.
Yakeshinu
SecretAgentSuperBooger
ChiliBeef
I, too, don't care for half-baked "opinons".
Wikipedo
But I chose the videos myself! That's doing my research!!1!
PicassoCT
Introducing the Anti-Gravity flat earther car. With 4 flatters where there used to be wheels, it keeps you airborn over the plate..
Shoutrr
they're stupid, so to them it's perfectly valid.
ArgentXero
Evidence Trumps Opinion
archon325
ThoseKidsWouldBeVeryUpsetIfTheyCouldRead.jpg
managedgoods
Probably too many syllables if they want to reach their target audience...
UncleMartha
woozle
Subtilico
I don't swing that way.
ShenanigansForHireExperiencedBeerTasterAndCraicFacilitator
I'll take Dennehy.
beez428
Good choice. I'd take Brown, but he's Bryan :-(
ShenanigansForHireExperiencedBeerTasterAndCraicFacilitator
Get a bryan, maureen.
Fistouille
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SaberShots
Well at least he spelled USA correctly!
woozle
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skipweasel
They'll probably counter with "Your inability to grasp religion is not an argument against it" which they'd probably think very clever.
StellarJay77
Counter would be "I fully grasp religion and can likely quote scripture circles around you due to my superior understanding of religion. That understanding is the whole reason I decided to leave religion behind because the way so many people practice and abuse their religious power does not comport with my morals to not bring undo harm on to others." Then proceed to bring the receipts showing how religion has and is harming others repeatedly.
MatePotate
Indeed
Cilvaa
I don't "need to understand" or even see the Twilight movies to know they're garbage. Fiction is fiction, and isn't important in the grand scheme of things. Science is real and governs the world, it is important.
TinaH
Me: "Not my religion."
Mumalot
"my imaginaryfriend says fuck you AND your imaginaryfriend"
maday1br
Ironic that their own failure to grasp their nominal religion so often becomes an argument against it.
370zSteve
Yeah but I can say Jesus spoke Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. They’ve been praying to him in English. Checkmate uncultured swine!
AranaDiscoteca
And, I mean, they'd be equally valid. Not getting the concept of something isn't a flex.
sturmhauke
Atheists usually understand more about Christianity and religions in general than evangelical Christians.
MrWobblyHead
People that gain a better grasp on their religion by studying it fully will often leave it behind, because they come to the conclusion that it's bullshit.
iquestionthepinappleeveryday
Or simply being exposed to it. Not that I’m against studying the religion, but you don’t need to go that far to reject it.
MrWobblyHead
Multiple paths to rejecting the religion you adhered to. It's just that I've heard stories of people wanting to be a better member of their faith, so began studying their holy book thoroughly. And it led to them rejecting it all.
ChaopsPyramydBuylderCompany
First of all, can they read?
beez428
What's to grasp? It's myth, and not complicated myth. Though it is nonsensical at times. "Hey Abraham...d'ye love meh?"
HonHomes
"If you loved me, I mean *really* loved me, you'd sacrifice your son to me Abraham! If you won't do that, then you don't love me, which means I can't love you. And that means bad things will happen Abraham. You love me, don't you Abraham?"
beez428
Y'ever drink Bailey's from a shoe, Abraham?
shyasen
The "Your inability to grasp religion is not an argument against it" argument is equal to the "Prove it isn't real" argument because provable facts are a requirement to A. Prove something and B. Understand something. You are right about them, though.
AranaDiscoteca
No. It isn't. I understand Hinduism just fine even though I'm not Hindu. I don't have to prove the gods are real so much as I understand the tenets and history.
shyasen
You make a valid point.
KuldFyt
After 13 years of Catholic school, having my scripture teacher as a baby sitter and a school chaplain who took his ordination classes from my mother, I would give so much to be able to ungrasp religion.
Cthulhuonabike
That's an easy one. Stop viewing religion as gospel, but instead as philosophy. It makes much more sense that way. I was raised vaguely scottish protestant, but I always looked at modern religion and mythology as basically the same, just people making up stories to help understand the world they live in. It is meant to be allegory, not litaral.
reichstein
Just the bible. It full of so much nonsense and so many contradictions that it's a good way to get yourself to see the bullshit.
HillOfBeans
It took me a couple of decades to really rid myself of the knee-jerk thinking, even though I’d never “accepted” religious teachings, but went along to appease my parents. Other Catholics (huge family, neighbors) and born-again types as well looked at me like vermin when I questioned anything. The freedom of mind that I eventually attained is worth the struggle.
chilledcoyote
Dude, saaaame but (thank god no longer) Mormon
KuldFyt
I'm 15+ years into my deconversion. Mostly clean of the reactionary instincts, but every now and then I have to fight them off. Worth it, I agree, but I do sometimes despair of ever being truly free.
Eilonwyy
Pratchett referenced "second" and "third" thoughts for this in Discworld, and I feel like the underlying concept is that it's part of being human. If it weren't religion, it would be something else. It's catching those thoughts that matters.