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FlatPlutoSociety
Middle Flat Earth
TrombeOverride
The curvature of the world would make it impossible to see Mordor from the Shire.. unless you were an elf! Elves are flat-earthers.
popuptent
LowFlyingToaster
So you're saying it's Smaug free?
rogersimon10
Flat Middle Earth. Join the movement
NHdentist
GentlemanJawa
Ok I get the joke but the Tolkien nerd in me is still mad.
Cranbananarama
Ready the catapult.
KiwiGameDev
Can confirm. Makes a lovely red hue in the sky
nullbr
now Sauron can see you
vagueluciditee
You were so close to an upvote. But your science is shitte
eponymous
Hobbiton is between Matamata and Cambridge and can confirm you can see both The Shire and Tongariro National Park (Mordor) from Maungakawa.
DrXathrid
Thanks to a bunch of idiots at a St Patrick's day pub night in Matamata right before lock down, that walk will be tricky for a while.
Wildemoose
As a fellow kiwi. This is gold
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
There is a rather large mountain range between The Shire and Mordor, regardless of other considerations
Elnauriel
Two, actually. =)
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
I wasn't counting Mordor (or Ephel Duath) itself because I figured Mt Doom was taller than the range and would be viewable, but fair point.
jamjamjamtoast
Two according to the map in my kitchen
PineappleIsDeliciousOnPizzaFightMe
I wasn't counting Mordor (or Ephel Duath) itself because I figured Mt Doom was taller than the range and would be viewable, but fair point.
skwint
It's about 1100 miles from the shire to mordor, so _hobbits_ would not be able to see Mt Doom because of the curve of middle earth.
XAMANDER
Sitting101
Good on you for adding reality to a fantasy, smart guy.
BlueFlameKing
Unless you're an elf
grenademan125
Only the elves see the curvature.
Nandortherelentless
housev1l
Middle Earth is flat. Haven't you seen the map?
NorthernWolf3000
What are you talking about? The earth is flat!
Maxobb
TheClockWatcher
IRL its only just over 200km from the shire to mt doom.
GadenKerensky
And Elf probably could.
NightfallEverdark
Elves could.
NZSheeps
Elves would
Johnsnowden
PoorSucker
Legolas could count 105 horsemen 24 km away.
wolf387465
that could theoretically be possible... https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=24&h0=3.0480370641306997&unit=metric
GadenKerensky
Elves literally don't perceive the curve of the world as others do.
lecrinkle
Middle earth is flat. How else would it be 'middle'.
HighPriestessofSoFrickingTired
Obviously Middle Earth is not the same as Earth. Glamdring fell from Gandalf's hands before the Balrog threw Gandalf off Khazadum Dum 1/2
HighPriestessofSoFrickingTired
Yet, we can clearly see Gandalf catch up with the falling sword, catching it and continuing to fight Durin's Bane. An argument could be 2/
q2grapple
Boots of Falling. Duh
HighPriestessofSoFrickingTired
Made that Gandalf used magic to speed up his fall or slow Glamdring's fall, but from the knowledge we have, physics in Middle Earth 3/
HighPriestessofSoFrickingTired
Are obviously different. How this correlates to the size of Middle Earth or the curve of that world is up for debate.
IMakeArtAndStuff
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/49844/where-is-middle-earth-and-is-it-flat-or-curved
markmcn87
Gandalf is just wicked aerodynamic
Cheomesh
No, it's Earth.
MissivesFromTheTower
What if the Middle Earth was really, really big, so that curve isn't noticeable at 1100 miles? Or if it was sloping upwards?
Cheomesh
Middle Earth is literally Earth. The end of the 4th or 5th age was with Moses leading the Jews out of Egypt, as I recall.
kaymon
Wait what?
Cheomesh
Yeah, Tolkin's thing is a fictional pre-history, just like Howard's works (and probably others too).
SavageHonesty
You can't just call hobbits Jews simply because Gandalf looks like moses and has a wicked cool staff.
Cheomesh
Nah they were all gone by then. Apparently the Hobbits kept getting shorter and shorter until they simply died out.
Winter23
"Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again" Reminded me of this.
RatsLiveOnNoEvilStar
Man, I hope the Wheel of Time series is going to be good.
Winter23
Last I heard, Sanderson gave them a thumbs up, so I'm hopeful
Allanonshea1
When is that coming out btw
skwint
Mt Doom: 4500 feet. Hobbit: 3.5 feet. Distance: 1100 miles. Required radius for tip of mountain to be visible: 1 million km.
iDontKnowAllYourSecrets
So you're telling me there's a chance?
konijntjesbroek
having read the amount of walking descriptions in the book, that checks out. . .
skwint
That's 180x earth radius, so assume 5 or 6 million times earth mass, or about 10 times the mass of the sun.
skwint
You wouldn't need Mt Doom to melt the ring anymore. That ring would be truly screwed!
iDontKnowAllYourSecrets
But the increased gravity would explain all the homunculi (hobbits, dwarves, goblins, river folk, tom bombadil, etc)
Neoeon
You're a giant freaking nerd. :]
jikanwalker
Middle earth is flat
GingerLaird
Middle Earth is only flat to those who are Elven. All others see it as round, so they cannot find Valinor without permission.
Yamusa
Just like Galadriel.
MoccaFruit
SiegeRhinoSkillCap
If that’s true then where was Gondor when the Westfold fell?
mizzamir
Over there
Diatomfan0110
Beat me to it!
NoSax
Underrated comment
SecretlyThreeDucksInAManSuit
Only for elves.
PoorSucker
Correct, Legolas could count 105 horsemen 24 km away.
mikanskittles
Nah, he was just on a hill
derpeddeath
Elves have magic vision that let them see as if the world were flat
astrangehop
True, but everyone forgets he was standing on top of a mountain.
AbacusFinch
Yeah I just did the math. Assuming he's standing on a 4km tall hill he could look down at an 80° angle and see the orcs
matchstickmetropolis
It used to be. It later made round.
konijntjesbroek
Then it would be later earth. . . not middle earth. . .
skwint
Thanks to the large drop in air pollution, middle earth is flat again!
devanhoe
wasnt the shire gone by the time that happened?
AmbassadorOfAndrew
No, it was before the fall of Numenor, when the elven ships go to the grey havens they follow the “flat” path that used to connect them
Neoeon
Because magic.
jikanwalker
Because my balls
JamesBluntThatSmartassCunt
Because gods, more specifically.
Birchleaf
VERY specifically: because God. The gods (Valar) asked God (Illuvatar) to save them from a super uppity mortal and He rounded the flat earth
LazySpider
However the elves can just like... ignore the curve
definitelynotawolf
They flatten the curve
Zarockelite
Convenient ability
TheDoctorAndHisTrustyTardis
wow, topical AND clever. nice job