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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41504796
Unfortunately, she was jailed for reneging on a promise she made to her ex-husband to have their child vaccinated & not for the actual refusal to get the child vaccinated.
The father has been awarded temporary custody in order to get the child vaccinated.
I'm going to type the words 'child' & 'vaccinated' again in the hopes that you've said them in your head that many times whilst reading this that they now sound weird.
Appel99
Lol, not following a Judge's orders is not a good idea.
Counterfit
Unless you're a friend of Donald Trump. Oh, and you violated the rights of non-white people.
5NoteHalf
Hey lady:I've got an uncle who was crippled by polio. Why don't you ask him if he thinks you should take time to vaccinate your beloved kid.
Tionne
This, right here. I've seen polio. Vaccination, it's free. Ffs. Do. It.
CannibalBacon
HELL YEA- oh it's only for seven days. Shit.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
At least the kid will get vaccinated though.
HarryBlackstoneCopperfieldDresden
The worst part is all the headlines about this infer she was jailed for not vaccinating, not that she was jailed for refusing a court order.
MyDogJake
Imply. But yes. This.
nesste
She was supposed to vaccinate and didn't therfore she got the cufs. I don't see the mistake in those titles?
HarryBlackstoneCopperfieldDresden
It's clickbait, and you fucking know it is. If it said "mother jailed for refusing court order", no one would even know about this story.
Unforgivn420
Good. She should've got more than just 7 days in jail. It's more like attempted murder than simply not following an agreement she signed
LustrousShadow
Except that even if her kid gets sick, it has a pretty good chance of surviving. On the other hand, it'll contribute to the spread and >>
LustrousShadow
mutation of diseases that can easily prove catastrophic. You're being too kind.
Unforgivn420
Yes. Yes I am
lawideas
Legally, the father could have just taken the kid to be vaccinated the first time he had a visitation. It only takes one parent to consent.
SainguinPixels
Unfortunately this will just create a martyr for anti-vaxxer morons. I am glad someones taking care of the kids well being, great father.
Ravenbreaker
"Temporary custody to get the child vaccinated" How about full custody because the mothers a fucking idiot?
pablopicscatcho
Give these people the same respect that you might an obstinate amateur elevator designer or freelance bridge builder.
GoldenSama
Good. Herd immunity is no joke and letting idiots who don't understand science put other people's children at risk is unacceptable.
ArmedWithATediore
According to safeguarding law, this is neglect. So she should be charged for not vaccinating rather than just reneging a promise :(
IhaveWAYtoomanyfetishes
Well at least one of the parents is smart
jgrrl22
Yes, the mother...
eroso
So the kid will be ½ smart.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Oh, look, he's smartarded...
Bob570
He procreated with an anti-vaxer. So he's not THAT smart.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
Mate I have an IQ over 130 but when I'm horny, anxious, hungry or just bored, I might as well have an extra chromosome.
TheDivineUsersub
To be fair, 99.9% of men AND women have fucked someone they shouldn't have because their genitals said it was a good idea.
JHawke
The way I figure it, we are all entitled to one really big, incredibly stupid screw-up in our lives. ~ Michael Garibaldi - Babylon 5.
Bob570
I suppose that's fair.
IhaveWAYtoomanyfetishes
My entire life is that screw up
mingotheflamingo
She wasn't jailed for not vaccinating her child, she was jailed for defying a court order.
sugarloaf27
Met a woman who was married to a doctor but said she didn't believe in medicine. Said her "strong personality" won and none of her kids 1/2
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were vaccinated or given medicine. Not surprised when she explained the doctor was her -ex-husband.
Dantethebald
She wasn't jailed for anything but violating a judges orders. Don't tell a judge you will do something and don't, it will not end well!!
theleafssuck
She disobeyed a judge's order. She was jailed for contempt of court because Trump didn't pardon her.
ChronologicalMyopia
Remember kids, don't be a reneger.
tankboy
Reneger, please.
Exoticz
This story had a happier ending than some of those circumcision stories.. when one parent refuses to let their child get 1/2
Exoticz
genitally mutilated, sometimes the other parent does it behind their back with the doctor's support. True horror...
ZuIthar
HalfSharkAlligatorHalfWeeb
Beautiful.
IAteTheUnicorns
As a STEM woman, why is it predominantly women who are anti vac?
mikeatike
Mommy bloggers.
minizeries
Maybe women are statistically more likely to be the ones making health decisions for their children--with or without good information/sense.
Captaintippie
I'm guessing this plays a big part. As a mom, I'm the one that does all the dr appointments and such, therefore making most of the decisions
Mariel141
The anti-vaxxers target them specifically and prey on their fears. There is also a long, shitty history of doctors not being honest or (1)
Mariel141
..up front with women, patronizing them and even using them as unknowing guinea pigs. This has understandably contributed to trust (2)
Mariel141
...issues. Sauce: https://gimletmedia.com/episode/history-of-vaccine-fear/
5NoteHalf
Because the misinformation is primarily targeted at gullible young mothers through channels which are frequented by them.
griduser
Just like $40 for shampoo and probiotics and "nutritional" supplements.
Corona688
Probiotics aren't a panacea but have their place
thebigcheese
Without wanting to sound patronising, maybe because most women don't follow / aren't encouraged to take STEM study further than necessary /1
superfeathers
At this point stem fields are begging for more women. I'd say it's more likely just a natural preference for social etc etc studies
Zath
Scandinavia would tend to agree with your supposition.
thebigcheese
so haven't learnt the critical thinking skills that are often taught at higher level STEM education 2 be able 2 evaluate evidence correctly?
thebigcheese
In my head it reads like I'm saying "Hur dur, women are thick"...I'm really not, hopefully that's not how it reads!
Corona688
I would add that most MEN are not taught critical thinking skills either
mentalpiggie
to "temporary primary custody" ? TEMPORARY? the fuck
copingcabana
Men, I hope you heard that: TEMPORARY primary custody. The psycho gets the kid back when she gets out of jail.
driftinginspace
Does that make her a reneger
FourFans
It's scary how fucked up these people. Them, the chemtrail people. The flat Earthers. They seriously think someone is out to poison them.
digitreal
But Facebook and my yoga teacher said it's bad for them.
RichardCrowell1
Both sources have little reliability do I hope this was a joke.
JonnyTightlips
Don't forget your chiropractor!
mechanicalchaos
Oh yeah? My aunt believed in holistic healing and crystals. When she got cancer, she stuck to them instead of modern big pharm (1)
mechanicalchaos
treatments full of toxins that just want your money. And you know what happened? ... She ded. She died from cancer. (2)
mechanicalchaos
( Sad but true. Literally let it eat her throat away while the family had to stand by and watch because she was extremely stubborn and dumb)
Counterfit
Ah yes, the Steve Jobs method
Phyrie
Besides, why use needles? Mosquitoes are nature's vaccines. (Found on a mommy forum)
dmoore182
My neighbor who sells healing crystals said they're bad.
pyrrhlis
Wow, get a load of the corporate fake news propaganda coming out of Big Crystal.
dmoore182
Corporate news is so fascist it makes me sick
eroso
This is why fake news are so dangerous and need to be stopped. Industrial-sized internet trolling is not taken seriously.
truebobby
Hahahahahahah
Jonjon2727
That is actually a very funny comment. Comedy well executed!
IJustLikeToArgue
I'm not yet convinced that the chicken pox vaccine (varicella) does not cause molluscum contagiosum. So there's that.
JonnyTightlips
And even if it did...that's a very common easily cured issue
IJustLikeToArgue
No. Not easily cured. And it wasn't common 15 years ago. Possibly common now because all kids are required to get the varicella vaccine.
IJustLikeToArgue
And chicken pox is far more easily managed and lasts less than 2 weeks. Molluscum can last years.
HelpfulCorn
This yoga teacher is pro vax all the way
toasteheh
I once had 5 single mothers tell me on Facebook that vaccines are bad. When I proved otherwise they said "You think you're better than us??"
stormegedendarklordofall
What did you reply with?
toasteheh
I didn't bother anymore. They had no intention to change their mind and evidence of the contrary only strengthened their faulty beliefs..
ltsDizzyD
Did you tell them yes?
toasteheh
At that point they were disagreeing just out of spite and didnt want to learn anything, so I just left the discussion.
baconandplagues
Once upon a time. My ex fiancee's heroin addicted sister was explaining that she wouldn't vaccinate her kid because she thought it caused
baconandplagues
Autism
baconandplagues
I cannot explain in words how happy I was when her kid got taken away
digitreal
Lol
scnottaken
There's no think about it.
Sublimesymmetry
And I hope you said, "I am."
toasteheh
I didn't reply. Fucking hopeless response to a long discussion.
Armin2015
Awwwww, cmon. The show was just getting started
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
"Objectively."
SelfawareFetus
I am very conflicted about this issue. On one hand I enjoy the thought of children being sick on the other i enjoy stabbing children.
CliveBixby
You sick fuck... That's nice work, you keep it up.
GingerLaird
Why not stab sick children with "get-well" needles?
secretoaster
You can always stab sick children and their mothers. Why not both?
secretoaster
Sure he does it it's funny, but I do it it's in "bad taste"
Gatadata
you, i like you.
IndyAndyJones
Is there a third hand where you like not getting smallpox?
CongratsYouAreHereNow
i am sooooooooo not interested in these antivaxxers, hearing about them and how stupid they are all day is almost as bad as them
GrantLeavitt
Almost as bad as flat-earth believers?
CongratsYouAreHereNow
hearing about them constantly is worse than knowing they exist because people complaining about obviously brain damaged dopes proves that
CongratsYouAreHereNow
they're ALSO just as dumb and now the dumbness level has doubled
Youreahooker
Hey That's Daniel Tosh's line. Stealer.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
You can always use an empty needle.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
Air bubbles are funny.
PriestOfLordVote
Oh fuck you, I almost managed to forget that was a thing.
TheSpeakerOfTheHouse
Don't go into the dark comment threads expecting unicorns, and if you find one anyway, its horn will be covered in blood, 100% of the time.
ucfh
So you give them a live virus vaccine instead of a dead one.
WallpaperProblems
I agree
mc2222
we eradicated Smallpox from the face of the earth through vaccination. Vaccinations work.
jgrrl22
Hahaha suuure we did. Or much better sanitation and hygiene did the trick. Do some reading and stop being a sheeple.
mc2222
False. "After vaccination campaigns throughout the 19th and 20th centuries, the WHO certified the global eradication of smallpox in 1980"
Counterfit
Hygiene does fuck all for smallpox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox#Transmission there's your reading assignment
ComeOnManYouHadOneJobToDo
I’m pretty sure I can wash my nostrils.
Counterfit
Thalys not going to stop you from contracting or spreading Smallpox.
slickjim86
Well to be honest I believe in vaxing against current threats but vaxing against old diseases that hasn't been seen for over 100 yrs nah
LiveTestDummy
Herd mentality.
ElRadis
niamhysticks
I wonder why they haven't been seen...
slickjim86
Bc we stopped immigration for a while then resumed it bringing new strains over that we had no cure for.
niamhysticks
And now with mass travel you'd presume there'd be weekly outbreaks no?
slickjim86
No immigration might suck but they do check for disease among other things. Through inoculation most diseases have died out.
HitachiMagicWand
There are ppl who actually believe in mermaids. I find them less harmful than anti-vac and flat-earth ppl.
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
Can you give your reasoning as to why flat-earthers are harmful and not just moronic?
5NoteHalf
Well, I mean, if you let them pilot a plane...
Counterfit
As long as they stay in the northern hemisphere, it'll be fine
cousteau
Yeah, thinking that the earth is flat rarely causes your death or the death of others
VindictiveRidge
I would argue that they encourage a wider mindset that refuses to understand scientific reasoning or even simple observable facts. It's not>
VindictiveRidge
that thinking the Earth is flat is itself harmful, it's the gross ignorance that their position promotes.
HitachiMagicWand
This, all day.
wellofmimir
There shouldn't be any allowances for personal beliefs on things that are dependent on herd immunity.
PandaDander
Mandatory vaccines would create a bunch of aggravating red tape for children with contraindications, I wish people would just vaccinate 1)
PandaDander
their children if they could. It's like the no gluten craze, but dangerous. 2)
Kittypurfect
Especially simce their stupid decision can cost countless lives.
cousteau
I'm OK with people not being vaccinated as long as they're kept on an island or something like that where they can't spread diseases.
chloramphenicolderivative
Have it be restrictions on financial aid then. Once it become punishable by jail or mandatory by force, the government legally own your body
NapkinBob
bofh420
You cannot goto college in the US unless you show your vaccination records. I did in 1989.
SciGuy
That is not how ownership works.
chloramphenicolderivative
Because of civil forfeiture you didn't really own property. They government can tell you what you can't do and now what you must put into1/2
chloramphenicolderivative
4/4 something when you are the sole decider of what happens to that object?
SciGuy
Considering that even in your bizarre exaggeration the government wouldn't be "the sole decider of what happens to that object"...?
chloramphenicolderivative
3/4 a vaccine. This is essentially the tools a less benevolent government has used for eugenics in the past. How is it not ownership of
chloramphenicolderivative
2/4 your body. And when you say only vaccines would be mandatory you still give the government the sole power to specify what constitutes
slickjim86
So your for the gov forcing ppl to inject stuff in their bodies? That's an extraordinarily dangerous precedent to start don't you think?
njorunn
Vaccination is a great idea, but I'm suspicious of what crap the vaccine companies put in those injections and how it affects us.
slickjim86
I mean really who does it hurt other then ppl who don't vax?
1n50mn1a
Old people and babies too. Babies can't get measles vaccine until 1 year
slickjim86
Eeeewe
slickjim86
Old ppl are nasty
enybi
A) Children who are misled by their moron parents and thus risk horrific illnesses B) People with immune disorders who rely on herd immunity
slickjim86
They arnt your children so why do you care? And ppl with immunity disorders can still get viruses from vaxed ppl bc they still can carry it
jgrrl22
You mean like my 70 year old mother who has never had a single vaccine in her life and is literally the healthiest person I know?
enybi
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasty_generalization Congratulations, a sample size of n=1 is useless for a population. On the other hand1/2
jgrrl22
Herd immunity is a lie and a joke.
enybi
It's basic logic. If you prevent the majority of population from being infected you limit spread to at risk people who can't be vaccinated.
Counterfit
You're a lie and a joke.
minipancho94
theres no real excuses anymore too. muslims can even get vaccines made specifically for them that aren't pork based. amish and such 1/2
dorenavant
Tailored vaccines free of pork gelatin were initially made for Jewish people; in fact they were the first ones to request it. 1/2
dorenavant
In Islam, the well-being of an individual supersedes any dietary laws. If it's good for the person but not halal, it's allowed. 2/2
minipancho94
thanks for the correction!
dorenavant
Oh, not a correction, just an observation. I'm sure there are a few Muslims who'd rather die than vaccinate but that's their ignorance. :)
minipancho94
are the only ones who could have an argument, but you can just inoculate them instead and let them if they argue about it being modern. 2/2
ashcans
The Amish generally do vaccinate. Probably because they don't watch Jenny McCarthy or get medical advice online.
wotemer
Aside from you lack of knowledge about modern pharmacology, in health issues, muslims are always exempt from what the quran says, anyways.
minipancho94
from what i understand there was a strong argument from some claiming that they could not be vaccinated due to pigs being used in the 1/2
spLagger
1/? that's lame. Islamic Organization for Medical Sciences had a meeting over 20 years ago about this subject and concluded that when you
spLagger
2/? convert an impure substance into something completely different that is pure it no longer has any issues with the quran. Thus the
minipancho94
gestation of the virus that is then used in the vaccine. that said im using old info, am not a pharmacist, and am to lazy/busy to check. 2/2
echonite
Spain once had their herd immunity drop to 90%. One girl with measles caused over 15,000 deaths.
jgrrl22
Got proof to back up that claim?
echonite
I admit I made an error. However the outbreak was still a big deal. It was in 2006.
wellofmimir
That's fucking terrifying.
Armin2015
Outbreaks. They ain't no joke
cousteau
I live there, I should know, why didn't I know?
echonite
Well this is embarresing. I misremembered the number by a lot. Forgive me.
spLagger
how many outbreaks?
echonite
Information about the outbreak: http://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/esw.12.08.03144-en
cousteau
Still, 213 cases are a lot of cases. (I didn't find anything about deaths though; maybe I read it too fast)
echonite
Yeah, like I said, I remembered it incorrectly. I don't know how many deaths.
ErinFromTheOffice
z3lfmoord
So their education and health sucks because of mandatory vaccinations causing autism!? (Sarcasm)
Svartlebee
That's really confusing.
Genini
The dominant religion there isn't anti-vaxx. It's not that they are pro-religion, but pro the dominant one.
Cheomesh
Nothing in The South makes any sense.
awildcharmander
This picture is presented in a way that implies that being #1 in vaccinations is the reason they are 50th in health and education.
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
Only to the uneducated
TheFirstFurst
Yeah, I am in Honors English III as a Junior in High school and I was confused by the picture.
MyPseudoIsAlduinSkyrimStoleItFromMe
English is my second language and I was not.
z3lfmoord
*only to the vaccinated.
shitcantgetintomyoldone
Is this true? A southern state without any religious waiver...?
Koshunae
Georgia is like this too. You HAVE to have your vaccinations (unless medical situations persist) to even go to public schools
NotMyUsualOnlineName
Same in TN. Medical exemptions are the only ones allowed.
shinybeard
In my experience, most parents that refuse to vaccinate also insist on homeschooling their children.
ErinFromTheOffice
They know their population is too dumb to be allowed to make important decisions for themselves.
moon2A
"You know it's sad but truuuuuuueeeAHHH" - Metallica
kageboshi
AccountCreatedToUpdogVotes
I watched this once and thought "Eh, this gif is an ok reaction." I watched it twice and started to appreciate it. After the third time it's
poopMagnet
I think everyone should be vaccinated, and I think people are idiots if they don’t but I’d be very wary of mandated health procedures
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wellofmimir
We already kinda do. Most primary schools require them, colleges definitely do, and I imagine so do many jobs. It's not gov, but still.
thecuteocalypseishere
College dorms are germ pits already, I hate to think what a whole dorm building of anti-vax-raised kids would be
Setsylarper
I had to get a god damn malaria shot to go-to college. no idea why given it was in the damn states, but no idea how anti Vax kids get educ.
SalvalecRhaplanca
Agreed, I think the only excuse should be medical reasons.
stormegedendarklordofall
The problem is, if herd immunity drops below what's needed, you have a nasty epidemic. Happened in France. Don't remember how long ago.
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
I get what you mean, but typically government enforcement has to do with individual freedoms having an impact on other people. If (1)
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
to be vaccinated, and therefore rely on herd immunity. The more people who choose not to vaccinate, the higher risk those who can't have.(3)
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
choosing not to vaccinate only affected you, so be it. Your choice to be an idiot. The problem is that many people are medically unable (2)
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
I generally wouldn't agree with government mandated medical practice, but because this poses a danger to others, I think it should be, (4)
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I'm not a fan of having to load a new page to continue the reply thread, but I see your point.
itsimpossibletofindausernamethatisnttaken
But I suppose even if I was gonna keep it in a single thread, numbering at the front, instead of the back, would have helped.
StepUpYourGame
IDrinkTeaInBritish
gengumby
Your username is kinda relevant
ShentoSama
When I first learned what his actual voice sounded like, I was like
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Zigor22
I don't care if people get vaccines or not. Not my business.
TheRealBigChungus
House said it best. That fucking brilliant man.
coreyjayb
Damn good scene
LegHavinAssLandBitch
House tells it like it is, even if it hurts. You gotta respect him for that though.
BoxcarAlex
Why does this command my respect?
derekmatters2
His real name is Hugh, and he is reading a script in someone else accent.
SnarkySophia
Especially if it hurts. He particularly likes that bit.
onewomanriot
Loved that scene!
MalthusAndreusDrake
the post says "unfortunately" but i would say it's fortunate. the kid will be protected and he will help maintain herd immunity.
echonite
Didnt that episode end with it being something unrelated?
YodasLeftEar
she had a cold
shinydev
I think that scene was just a bit in the clinic rather than the case.
DancesWithDancesWithDancesWithDancesWithWolverines
I just watched it, he brought up the point of breastfeeding until 6 months
TheRealSpaghettiMonster
I think every single doctor who comes face to face with an antivaxxer should say something like this.
AnonOmis1000
This is one of the several reasons why I wouldn't be a good doctor....also why I wouldn't be good in retail.
Ninjadel
Sadly... Lawsuit and loss of license is extremely easy in America
Maranour
Unforgivn420
Always upvote House
SaikyoStyle
But what if I don't like House?
Zeus541
Unforgivn420
Downvotes
SaikyoStyle
That's not fair. I'm sorry for having my own preference in medical shows?
ShentoSama
I'm pretty sure he meant that you should downvote the House related posts and comments if you don't like House.
Unforgivn420
Nah it's not fair. I was just playing lol. I don't like most doctor shows either
TheFastpaws
I liked it till they brought in that bullshit asshole cop story. Then it jumped the rails just like Bones with that hacker.
Unforgivn420
The cop thing was irritating at times, but was a great part of the story in the end
TheFastpaws
Maybe but when something is that bad in my opinion to a story. I think the whole journey matters not just the end. So I stopped watching.
allegedlynerdy
Bones was always fuckin off the rails though. And unlike bones house ended in a way that made sense to the character of the show
TheFastpaws
The journey is as important as the ending in a story. Once the cop came in it just got dumb. There is off the rails good though or funny 1/2
TheFastpaws
as well as just off the rails what the hell is going on. The cop thing might have ended well but during it didn't fit the tone at all. 2/2
ireplysometimes
Speaking of House, is the Good Doctor any good? The ads for it look waaay too light-hearted for me
nottinghampan
Definitely not House, but it has the same sort of satisfying end. Not sure if I'm into most of the characters yet, but it's only two eps in.
Unforgivn420
You talking about the show? If you have never watched House I highly recommend it. Perfect blend of comedy and feels
DanTheReactionMan
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ireplysometimes
Cool, thanks! Ill set my dvr to record tonight :)
Unforgivn420
House is one of the greatest smart asses of our time. Enjoy
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strakur
go back to where you came from with those YouTube sources l
baconandplagues
"Hundreds" compared to millions saved from life threatening and debilitating diseases. I'll take those numbers.
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baconandplagues
Clearly your knowledge of history is quite limited.
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PjJonez
Yeah, I never get flu shots they make a new one every year. But for polio and stuff? That's been around for decades. They do way more good 1
PjJonez
Than harm. Its worth it for those. But I don't trust flu shots
UniKornzRainBowz
Flu vaccines are a gimmick and the HPV vax for kids is just poison. Facts!
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DoctorGiz
Doctor here. Narcolepsy - treatable, non-life threatening. Flu? Deadly to infants and the elderly.
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baconandplagues
What you fail to mention is the insanely low frequency.
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baconandplagues
The statistics are quite clear.
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baconandplagues
Incorrect.