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Drewscifer
Wait so if I am keeping my death counts right, Thor is the only one who has had friends who actually died.
ExplainThisJoke
good lord. Thor could unite the republicans and democrats
katseiko
Hold up.. The white tree is gone. Loki and Thor and everyone will age and die.
IPoisonedDorcasMutton
Silly Loki. Everyone knows you poison the mutton, not the mead. Just ask Dorcas.
savageworld
The reason Steve couldn't pick up Thor's hammer was because he was unworthy -- he lied to Tony about what happened to Tony's parents.
TarrkertheNewt
I love Civil War but the main premise was dumb as bricks. Movie logic :-/
KillingTlme
Iron Man lost me in Civil War. No respect for that character in the future.
KitsuneThunder
They say Thor and Hulk weren’t in Civil War due to a probable stalemate, but I think the real reason is Thor would’ve been too sensical.
Darkspire
He would have singlehandedly beat the piss out of whichever team he was up against, it would have been a short movie.
superpaul79
STEVE: "Watch your language!"
fantastapotamus
Needs more Korg being shocked by the innuendo of "really pounded each other"
Oldblindmann
To be honest we were cheated in the movie civil war because the comic story line was so much more intense and had better reasons for it.
donotlookatthelight
Haha +1
khazaria
To be fair, the premise was awful. No chance I'd let a bunch of dictatorships tell me what I could do with my superpowers!
Camelspotting
It wasn't awful, it actually made a lot of sense, they just didn't set it up very well.
ChiisuChanOffModel
StripTheFleshSaltTheWound
I just watched Ragnarok last night and it was a delight.
BurlRavenscroft
We Earthers have hangups
CharityQuill
Thor: I didn't lose my dad, my eye, and my home just to come back to you guys whining about a airport parking lot fight
Sheepyhead
I mean Civil War was mostly a fight about some misunderstandings, and not a difference in ideology.
Sheepyhead
Black Panther had way more fighting about differing ideologies than civil war
Orangicus
Really, though, whatever side Thor or Hulk picked would have won, so neither could participate logistically, if we wanted a movie.
DonnyDoNothing
Hulk wouldn't pick, he'd just beat the piss out of anyone who touched Nat.
Imhereforthelurking
Then it would been a hour of each side kissing Nats ass so she'll send the zucchini of doom down upon the other...might of been funnier.
Evenlymade
Tony's argument is complete horseshit and things continue to be mostly his fault. Deweaponized??? My ass.
FitzChevalric
TharrickLawson
ArsenalThePhoenix
but thor wasnt doing ragnarok while civil war was happening. He was in Australia working as a phone salesman lol (source: Marvel short film)
Secretlyticklingbuttholesandthenrunningaway
Link please
ArsenalThePhoenix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPNBKT6JLSU (official version)
MJaySan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzPHRHsyEDE
ikindacarebutimostlydont
Tony was so stupid at the end of Civil War. The bad guy told him, to his face that he was trying to destroy the team and Tony went with it
iwanttomountndewya
I would argue that he tried, he tried to Kerri the tan together but to no avail. Then he finds out the person who killed his mother 1/2
iwanttomountndewya
And said "fuck it, my turn now". 2/2
DelaysAction
He just saw footage of the guy next to him strangle his mother to death... I think rational thinking would be hard for anyone at that point.
ikindacarebutimostlydont
He also knew Bucky was being controlled and didn't do it of his own free will.
DelaysAction
Like I said, rational thinking goes out the door when powerful emotions comes into play.
ikindacarebutimostlydont
Considering who he is, he doesn't have that excuse. Almost everything bad that happened in Civil War can be traced back to Tony somehow.
DelaysAction
No, pretty much all bad things that happen in Civil War can be tracked back to Zemo. He played them right where he wanted them.
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
I mean, he just found out the guy to his right killed his folks, and his buddy to the left lied to him about it. It's understandable he 1/2
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
gets emotional. There's even a point in the fight where cap says killing Bucky won't change anything, and he just says "I don't care" 2/2
ikindacarebutimostlydont
But he also knows Bucky was being controlled, sooo
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
Would you care if someone was mind controlled if you just found out they killed your parents? Maybe with some time, but right away? C'mon
ikindacarebutimostlydont
Bucky under mind control+zemo telling Stark to his face his goal is to break up the team = no matter how you look at it, Stark is an idiot
Hemelsblauw
By now I find Thor boring. I like Loki better.
fortfantastic
nice try loki.
Hemelsblauw
:-D
Ryannihilation
I think it's easier to have funny side characters bc they don't have the burden of hard decisions.
Hemelsblauw
Probably true, I think I also like the fact that he has flaws. Perfection can be boring.
ThrowAwayAcct0000
This is why I don't like Superman. Too boring.
Ryannihilation
Loki's definitely had a better arc than thor throughout the thor movies. (seemed pretty generic-villain to me in avengers) His 1/2
Ryannihilation
confrontation with Odin about his parentage in the first was aces, relationship with Frigga in the second (and betrayal at the end) and 2/3
Ryannihilation
his wrestling with affection for Thor and lingering loyalties to (slash wanting to be the hero of) Asgard in the third. Good good good.
BeyondShadow
Having read the Civil War comics before seeing the movie, the movie was a serious letdown.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Yes
BanadecCamberbootch
I loved the comic arc (not without reservations, but hey), but a lot of people hate it, so I get why they scaled it down significantly.
bitemark
As opposed to the arbitrary letdown of the comics?
muisverriet
Eh, comic wasn't that good either. Almost everybody acted totally out of character.
SlothOfSpeed
Yes, books are normally better than the movie but not always. Civil War had different comics with different writers and not all were good.
blumpkinblowout
I was seriously disappointed in the comic. I dont get the hype.
Mikeiller
The comic was horrible in just about every way a comic can be horrible.
SnugglesaurusRex
The movie was so much better than the comics in every single way. I don't know who you people are any more.
bitemark
I really only liked the opener for the comics, for the rest of it I felt like the writers didn't know what they were doing.
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
You're 100% right. That comic is good when you're like 14 but if you ever go back and re-read it its awful.
IPostOffensiveShit
The comics were extremely controversial (me and my gf still argue about who's right) and marvel movies arent exactly made morally ambiguous.
SnugglesaurusRex
Both Cap and Tony were right in the movie up until the point Tony tried to take revenge for the death of his parents on Bucky.
Cela84
It was cap. Tony was imprisoning heroes, and the inciting incident was something that wouldn't even be a noteworthy day in superhero damage.
IPostOffensiveShit
Disagree. "Superhero damage" is objectively an extremely big issue, and while imprisoning people is not a good solution registration is.
Cela84
Except it results in supervillains finding out identities and trying to kill families, which results in satan influenced marriage ending.
KanyeWesticularCancer
I really love that Thor has much more of a personality now since Ragnarok. He’s not just the meathead with a heart of gold trope.
JayEnfield
Disney has mastered Whedon-banter.
Flyndaran
Sadly that was the only thing they had left from the original myths if you think about. He was a redheaded dumb as a brick jock.
Buddha7
You know who had a lot of personality? Doug. Come on, I'll introduce you. Oh, our luck: he's dead. Ah well. See you around, New Doug!
KanyeWesticularCancer
Piss off, ghost.
DakotaWolf
Read that in his voice
numonster
Anyone else feel Guardian's of the Galaxy vibes from Ragnarok? Love the idea that space is full of big boss fights and awesome tunes~
lexx416
I just think that's what they're going for, in Space in the MCU. It gives it a weird, alien vibe. I dig it.
numonster
Indeed!!
Odiin46
Thor is actually pretty smart, a couple millennia alive will do that to you
KanyeWesticularCancer
I mean he was knowledgeable sure but lacked the wisdom of his parents and the cleverness of Loki.
Remainder
In the mythology he was dumb as toeless socks. Literally any problem comes up: "Should I... should I hit it with my hammer?"
NotABadLookingNarcissist
To be fair, hammers do fix most problems.
JapAnus
I feel the opposite. Each Avenger had a personality at first, and now they're all gravitating towards a singularity: sarcastic douche
KanyeWesticularCancer
Exceptions: Steve, Vision, Wanda, Peter, T’challa, and for the most part Clint. It’s all about the intent for their sarcasm...
KanyeWesticularCancer
Tony’s attitude is clearly a facade to hide his self esteem issues and PTSD. Thor boasts to appear stronger because he feels he’s weak.
JapAnus
Ehh, I feel like they're all getting a bit too similar with their quips (granted I haven't watched Black Panther). Plus all the movies are 1
JapAnus
starting to follow a generic Marvel formula. It made Ragnarok dull for me, plus the fact that I was expecting something a bit more serious,2
ArsenalThePhoenix
just wait for the next movie he is in, where he'll revert to his old self again since there's a new director :P
KanyeWesticularCancer
Ehh I mean when Marvel makes a change they stick to it i.e. Tony’s behavior following Iron Man 3 and the Clean Slate Protocol.
ArsenalThePhoenix
given how Thor did a 180 on his character style in Ragnarök (going from always being serious to suddenly being a comedian), I dont think we
HugVendor
That's the thing! Comic Thor was at his best in Ragnarok. If anything else, his portrayal in the other movies was off. (1/2)
HugVendor
Don't get me wrong - I love Kenneth Branaugh's Thor. I just feel it sacrificed characterisation in favour of (stale) melodrama. (2/2)
ArsenalThePhoenix
can assume that marvel always sticks to things.
Satherian
Better than DC, probably
KanyeWesticularCancer
I mean he was always kinda funny and cocky he was just less relaxed. They didn’t change his behavior they just amplified it.
ArsenalThePhoenix
i still have to disagree. He was cracking jokes once every few minutes. He went from being super serious to suddenly jim carrey level :D
TheLavabenderGuy
I think his confidence took the place of arrogance, and he's much more himself now. A funny powerhouse.
qpx1
The main takeaway I've gotten, after seeing a bunch of Avengers stuff, is that if you oppose Captain America on any moral issue...1/2
thatshytidontlike
Yeah, I’m going to put my unpopular opinion out there. I can’t stand Cap. He is a self righteous cum gargler.
YOUAreTheMagicMan
So THAT'S where you went after touching the Tesseract, Red Skull! *pulls up chair* Man, you're gonna LOVE imgur.
qpx1
Heh yeah, that probably needs a puffin.
qpx1
...you're wrong. 2/2
ThailandExpress
QuarterWatchCup
That kind of thinking got Deadpool in a lot of trouble.
bbirbb
Yupp, which is why Cap is ultra lame. His moral compass is too perfect. There's no struggle.
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
The struggle is how someone with such strong and idealistic morals clashes with all the shades of grey in the modern world. The culture 1/2
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
clash is what makes him interesting 2/2
Jensaw101
I imagine the struggle is attempting to keep that compass in a cynical world, and how it creates conflict with other characters.
bbirbb
I get that, but I find it boring. Stark is a much more interesting character to me. Dealing with morals and his own vices. I guess Cap 1/2
bbirbb
just comes across as too inhuman to me. He doesn't have a weakness other than those he loves. He's like Superman, it just gets old.
mechanimated
idk man i feel like they reaaally had to go out of the way to make capn right and iron man wrong. like...first off bucky actually is a /1
mechanimated
dangerous murderer...like ok he was brainwashed...but he fucking murdered people, and has a LITERAL verbal murder switch. just, you know, /2
mechanimated
maybe not really safe as a free man, you know? and i personally ALWAYS found the argument of "but we cant have oversight because the /3
mechanimated
people overseeing us could be wrong!" as so childish...like...seriously, your premise is YOUR judgment is ALWAYS right? /4
Jaron58
T’Challa said that but that was when capt was hydra capt
qpx1
I've only watched the movies and cartoons...so I think I missed that chapter in cap's story.
SorDavos
Good for you.
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
It was a brainwashing thing that nobody liked and got swept under the rug. You're not missing out
Ryannihilation
In Civil War even Bucky says "I don't know if I'm worth all this, Steve." MY takeaway is he's usually right, UNLESS it's about Bucky.
Ryannihilation
He nearly screwed the pooch in Winter Soldier because of Bucky too, he becomes an idiot whenever his best bud shows up.
PhailRaptor
Anyone else think it would benefit both of them if they bang? No? Just me? Ok then.
cornballercatapult
No it would be very cathartic for them *cough and us cough*
SnugglesaurusRex
If Movie Cap has one flaw, it's that he will stop at nothing to protect the people he loves; even if it means destroying an airport.
feeltheice
Look. You don't stop loving someone because they get brain washed. You fight harder because you know they are good. Or you put them down.
SnugglesaurusRex
That's why I'm team cap.
Wildzebucxl
Loyal to a fault
HurtYou
Meine Ehre heißt Treue
GhstKng13
In the comics Thor put Tony in his place when he comes back after Ragnorok.
HyunJ00n
I loved it. [[SPOILERS]] He depowers Tony's suit and sends him scampering home. Last shot of tony is him climbing over a fence to walk back.
SpiderDetective
OBJECTION!! In the comic Civil War, the 'Thor' Tony had on his side was a cyborg he and Mr Fantastic built to give their side an edge
axionzetaone
Yes but they are talking about AFTER the CW event, when the real Thor showed back up very pissed about said cyborg, and gave Tony a thrash.
SpiderDetective
Oh that was a beautiful moment. Having Tony get his shit kicked in was so satisfying. Although he didn't get Thor on his side. Just immunity
Username1010101
Boy does he ever.
DigitalMau
To be fair, there were more significant ramifications in the comics
ikindacarebutimostlydont
Tony is such an awful person. I don't get why people like him (fans of the character and in the universe)
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LesserSam
Man, the J. Michael Straczynski run was criminally underrated and underviewed.
Himura82
Damn... Thor wasn't playing. Thanks for posting this.
pyr666
sigh *unzip*
C141Clay
Thanks! Thats good.
HD2composer
Thank you for this :)
PhunsukhWangdu
I would absolutely love it if the MCU ended like this.
EricFromAccounts
SHRAKOOOOOM!
DevonGronka
Yes, it needs to have exactly five Os to convey the proper onomatopoeticness of the sound
MandatoryEyeRoll
God, I loved J. Micahel Strczynski's run on Thor. He did amazing things with thor. It was an immediate down turn in quality when he left.
Senguie
I really need a list of comics to this story.
GhstKng13
https://www.comixology.com/Thor-2007-2011-3/digital-comic/1762
Senguie
Thaaaaaaaank you
SkeletonsLoveBooty
What abomination did Tony make? I'm not super clear on Marvel lore.
GreatOdinsTaint
Tony stole Thor's DNA and made a clone/cyborg Thor that murdered another superhero.
DevonGronka
SHRAKOOOOOM!
Allanonshea1
He's got the boom that shakes the room. That's the lightning and the thunder
MFuzzySmock
The boom that shakes the room
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Allanonshea1
Lol
GigglingWordBearer
I shame myself by not being able to upvote this more than once.
RupertR
Loved this run, gave me a much bigger appreciation for Thor. First series to really get me into his comics outside of Avengers
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Isn't this civil war 2
GhstKng13
No this is after the comics version of the first civil war.
MyFrontPorchInMississippi
Ah okay.
GhstKng13
I'd highly recommend this storyline though. It's a great Thor story for sure.
Skornish
Awesome.
TerminalGear
I'm Tony Stark and welcome to Jackass, today we're going to really piss off Thor the God of Thunder!
IFoundABodyByTheLake
In the civil war comic, isnt thor just a robot thingy, and doesnt cap die?
yourmomisminenow
I really wanted cap to die in civil war but no way that happens.
LordDebuchan
The robot thingy killed Goliath. When Thor came back he beat the piss out of Ironman for using his image in such a manner.
kr18
Cyborg clone
SargentSarcasm
Oddly enough the cyborg was called Ragnorok.
SorDavos
Because being one of those things wouldn't be enough.
JevinKiao
Well to be fair pure robots require programming for emotion/personality while pure clones are usually unhealthy/die quickly.
thesixfingerman
In the comics both Thor and Steve were in the wrong, and Tony was poorly written.
GhstKng13
How is Thor in the wrong?
VictarionsCrispyArm
What? Tony is totally in the wrong.. The government should have zero jurisdiction over the superpowered. Especially ones who save the world.
thesixfingerman
I can see why governments and people would be nervous of vigilantes running around with the power to level cities.
VictarionsCrispyArm
I could see laws against vigilante activity, sure, but the registration violates basic human rights. Which was Cap's issue.
thesixfingerman
I suppose they could do it the same way as the X-men and straight up murder their own.
Schmuck4hire
'Kinda bothered me on a personal level. I'm a suck up for stories about mortals overcoming gods, so any story where they reinstate that 1/
sahold
to each their own, but they're gods for a reason, no real way 'mortals' should have a chance to begin with.
Schmuck4hire
humanity is at the gods' mercy gets on my grill. 2/2
VioletMoonRising
Yeah, but I'd be fine with a god laying smackdown on a corrupt government, for which Tony was the pony boy.
Mikeiller
Does it make a difference that Tony had the role of "the government" for this story?
Schmuck4hire
Metaphorical gods are cool and all, but what I like to see is the literal god of thunder getting his ass kicked by a lowly human. I think 1/
Schmuck4hire
someone once linked me a comic where a Mutant absolutely decimates him, and it felt great. 2/2
Goatsarepeople
Those arcs are honestly just poorly written. Thor has gone even against Galactus, him losing to humans is just absurd.
solaslunas
Hulk is technically human, so...
SexuallyImpotentTyrannosaur
At the end Cap told Iron Man he could call on him if and when he needs him.
superanth
It was that moment, when Steve put the needs of the world ahead of their ideological differences, that he really won the fight.
KingOfTheAnarchists
And likewise, if Cap ever needed some solid dick from an Iron Man...
CookiesaurusRex
Maybe I do, shellhead. Maybe I do.
acinonyxjubatus
That was a message for Tony Stank.
javer80
Yep. Cap would never turn his back that hard. He goes where he's needed.
thegreatfatass
Civil War!! With no substantial fallout. Cop out.
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
The Avengers are split in two, half of them are fugitives on the run, War Machine needs prosthetics to walk. What more fallout do you need?
iwanttomountndewya
Well we got Black Panther it of it. Easily my favorite marvel movie
Godsfireworks
If you came out of that movie thinking that there was no fallout then you must not have been paying attention.
thegreatfatass
Substantial I believe was the word I used. Sure there was, but not like the comic
Godsfireworks
Fair.
TheOnlySon
I mean, in the comic the cast of characters dwarfs that of the movies?? Idk what you expected.
DukeOfChutney608
ya they made up. or cap tried to anyways
BigHowse75
Cap is a pos and caused the rift to begin with. Idc who you are the winter soldier needed to be punished for the things he did.
deonizm
Saying "Call me maybe" and ghosting might not be a viable strat.
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
It was not really them making up, more like Steve apologizing extending an olive branch. I dont think Iron Man's forgiven him just yet
BannedbyastupidMod
Why has everyone forgotten what Tony did at the prison?
LtKifKroker
Idk. Cap was the asshole all movie defending a mind controlled terrorist and preventing him from going to get therapy.
NauticalRimJob
Wait, I haven't seen Civil War yet. Is it not about whether or not the heroes need to reveal their identities and work for the government?
NauticalRimJob
Why change it from the comics for no reason. This is Watchmen all over again.
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
1. the MCU is it's own universe. Most of the plot and details are different from the MULTIPLE comics. 2. it's essentially the same thing,(1)
IamMelonLordeYaYaYa
but with extra plotpoints and fewer characters. It's a good movie and fanboys like you ruin the image of comib book fans (2/2)
Suravik
Eh, I think the fact that he never really tried communicating before going rogue was pretty dumb, but I wouldnt say he went full asshole
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
Tbf, he didn't really have a chance to talk before going rogue. They were discussing the accords, and then he had to rush off to London 1/?
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
for the funeral, and then after the funeral the UN got bombed and the hunt for Bucky began. He didn't get a chance to talk things out 2/?
TheFriendliestGiant
Not just therapy, there was pretty much every reason to assume Bucky would get "killed during capture" after the bombing.
noimnot
But now he is save in wakanda
SmolTenk
And, although the cap doesnt hear it, ist confirmed for the audience.
ImNotAsDumbAsIAm
He does hear it. Sharon tells him the police have orders to shoot on site. He only gets involved to bring Bucky in alive, and make sure 1/2
SubZeroWithAFever
Well.. the dude did kill Starks parents. I'd probably start repulser blasting the guy who killed my parents too. In the heat of the momen
Beezlebubble
Heaaaaat of the moooment
SubZeroWithAFever
sonikkuruzu
Telling me what your heart meant!
YourWaifuIsTrash
https://imgur.com/ZojJ7r1 One of my favorite episodes of SPN
DukeOfChutney608
i think therapy is a bit of a stretch, government imprisonment and study would not be very therapeutic
YourWaifuIsTrash
Not even imprisonment, it was made explicitly clear they intended to kill Bucky
BlackOpalGalaxy
safer though
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