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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/michelle-carter-sentenced-2-1-2-years-suicide-texts-article-1.3381578
Aug 3, 2017 8:03 PM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/michelle-carter-sentenced-2-1-2-years-suicide-texts-article-1.3381578
reginaphillange
I want to downvote to show I am mad about the lack of time she got but I don't want to be unsupportive of OP.
Zzzinthevalley
She deserves worse
Slartibartfast1214
Not. Enough. THIS ... this is what a Monster looks like dressed in human flesh.
triplesees
Fuk dat gurl from suicide squad
usernametakenisthestoryofmylife
those eyebrows though...
notinmywatch
fuck that bitch
ApexBiNo
That's bullshit.
SoThenThisAssholeSaid
Well damn, now they are going to have to recast the Valarian sequel.
ponkeydunch
Lucky could have been made a real example of.
wheresurgurl
The hypocrites who lose their minds when a white guy gets off easy for rape are losing their minds over this injustice too. She's deranged
cryogenian
She and I were kids in the same neighborhood. For my bday one year, she gave me a set of tubby toys - a toaster and a radio!
ThatsWhatSheSed
The real injustice here is that whoever does her eyebrows is still at large.
BulldozerBeauty
HAHA she does them AND she's still at large, for now.
JoeKreeg
Wow, she got off EASY!!
ArtemisJonesTheFourth
Brock Turner
NuVanDibe
Yes thanks for reminding us. You're doing God's work.
kidMD
She would have a had a harsher sentence.. However her lawyers showed that she is clearly a white woman.
Crashallen1990
w0od
I am thinking she will claim victimhood for the rest of her life
melshot
Oh ????%
Iwasoutedbyatroll
And the boys in Florida filmed a man drowning without notifying anyone or lifting a finger but mocking him-charge them and see what sticks.
SlakAttak
Source?
SonBro
That shit happened in my county, what a disgrace. I hope it helps to get a Good Samaritan law passed here in Florida, in the very least.
Binsto
they should have called 911 yes,but drowning people are dangerous, you could end up drowning trying to save them
trelina
I'd actually prefer they weren't sent to prison. It could open up a whole precedent against innocent bystanders "doing nothing"
thatsuzychick
She should get at least 20.
melshot
There are 10 states in the US that have the "duty to rescue" law in place.
AreYouFuckinSorryIsAStupidComment
Those are civil law statutes, not criminal. The only states I've heard of with criminal duty laws are misdemeanors.
Meatsickle
All this focus on the girl only detracts attention from the reasons Conrad Roy was suicidal in the first place.
Meatsickle
Instead of looking for scapegoats, we should be making ourselves aware of the signs that lead to suicidal tendencies in the first place.
throwaway06061991
Anyway, I think it's important to show that pushing people to kill themselves is a crime even if you don't actively kill
hulkmad
And she'll probably get out early.
bEvil
Now she'll have plenty of time to practice putting on her eyebrows.
DarkAndMysteriousInternetGuy
Bad thing is, shes not crying be cause shes remorseful. Shes crying because she go caught.
Crispy4Skin
And you know this how? You were in the courtroom? Ot are just making presumptions
Grandmastersexy
I've got to disagree with this ruling. Involuntary manslaughter is when you unintentionally cause the death of a person. If I ask a girl /1
spitfire
I agree. People must take responsibility of their own actions. His parents want to blame her, but he was suicidal and he killed himself.
Grandmastersexy
to have sex with me, and she does, does that mean me asking her caused her to get fucked? If you say yes, you are absolving this girl I /2
Grandmastersexy
guy's death ignores the personal responsibility we all have. It's important.
Grandmastersexy
just banged of any responsibility for her own actions. That's a slippery slope. I know this bitch is cruel, but saying she caused this /3
ruferto
its not saying that he has no responsibility it's saying that her consistent urging gives her partial responsibility. which, she does.
throwaway06061991
You don't know the details. It's not like she ignored him and killed himself. She actively pressed him to do it. She read his dying messages
fluffypancakes
Great. Now this sets a precedent that people like her will be able to get away with shit like this. Smh.
CrazyGuyOnABike
No, exactly the opposite. This is the first case of an "incitement to suicide", and the guilty verdict sets a much more important precedent
CrazyGuyOnABike
than the severity of the punishment. The court took a side acknowledging that words are not just noises, and that's revolutionary.
Razblaze
I am surprised the judge didn't give a long sentence just as a "deterrent" to others. That's what normally happens, than later reduces the
IUpvoteBoxes
Because the odds this gets struck down by SC are massive
Razblaze
sentence as the message is across.
AsteridLowenmaul
She won't serve a day until all appeals are exhausted, which could take years. She left that courtroom and had dinner with her family.
GDSTEVE
She will not serve a day. This will be overturned. He killed himself, she didn't. She's a piece of shit, but that isn't illegal.
ifuckdragons
Truth. https://aclum.org/uncategorized/aclu-massachusetts-statement-michelle-carter-guilty-verdict/
CrazyGuyOnABike
While I support much that the ACLU does, that's not right. Granted there's not a specific law, but there is long-standing precedence from
CrazyGuyOnABike
the courts that incitement and fighting words can be held as exceptions to the first amendment.
Quessan
Yet talking about other commiting other crimes is against the law? It might get appealed but I can see new laws being written for this.
Thereisnosafeword
I love that someone downvoted you saying this which is just so typical of internet snowflakes. You're spot-on.
CrazyGuyOnABike
Incitement has been upheld time and time again by the supreme court.
BruhStop
If she were a male.... she'd be doing 20. #everydaysexism
3angryOwls
Agreed
BlacksMcNutt
Sorry but i cant upvote more than once
CitizenDickbag
So y'all are just gonna ignore the Stanford Rapist, the fuckhead in Idaho who sodomized the black kid w/ a hanger, and all the other times
CitizenDickbag
2/ males get light sentences for heinous crimes, huh?
BruhStop
Mannnnn. Chill. Read through the comments.
FishLords
William Melchert-Dinkel. Male. Licensed nurse. Two counts of encouraged suicide. 360 days.
ruferto
i need more info
VioletDaisy
Sauce: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Melchert-Dinkel
Thrawn1985
That is BRITAIN different countries different laws.
FishLords
He was judged in a Minnesota court, under Minnesota law.
fluffypancakes
DINKLEBERG!!!
iAmTheTravinator
That piece of shit lives like 10 minutes away from me. What the fuck
Assbassador
That's messed up. He was deliberately seeking out vulnerable people and giving them perverse justifications to commit suicide. 360 days...
Timexican
Not if she had a promising swimming career.
BruhStop
Actualllllly . Damn. Valid.
BruhStop
How did my Keenan comment get down-voted? It's perfect use!
BruhStop
I only see one common denominator....
BruhStop
Blonde
melshot
So true.
THEfreshestbrew
Should've gotten an extra 2.5 for them fucking eyebrows.....wtf woman
FartBoner69
Why I wish we could favorite comments
mrwthisusernamewasfree
Insensitive bastards, every single one of you
opal11
I'm glad I'm not the only one concerned ab them brows
TheOnlyPtylerdactyl
JestPilot
I thought those belonged on a mans upper lip.
melshot
amazonalicia
@ThumpThankYou
ObiWankChernobyl
Eyebrows are fake. When the cameras go away she will wash them off and they will be all people remember.
HsuDoNihm
Read the verdict; it's six months for Involuntary Manslaughter and two years for Aggravated Assault - Eyebrows.
mibango
Ill fuck her eyebrows
JediMasterFett
I'll pray for you
BruhStop
PokoOnoandtheJamJams
Walked under a tree with too many catapillars
BlacksMcNutt
Or be forced to bleach them!
SasquatchKimono
Maybe there's a third landing strip somewhere else
37PiecesOfFlair
Well they'll probably find it in prison.
TraitorousTrump3
It'll probably get overgrown in prison.
Cartoones
Abit South too ;)
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ObiWankChernobyl
It is very deliberate .it will be what people remember. When the cameras go away shell wash them off and live normal life.
PunchaYaBuns
Yeah but did you see her eyebrows?
BlacksMcNutt
Don't be offended, we're here for fun!!
Ih8urlife
ThatsWhatSheSed
Hi, welcome to Imgur. We like to tell jokes that we don't really mean. Enjoy your stay!
JudgeMentaI
don't really mean? You mean op isn't a bundle of sticks and his mother is actually a nice lady?
ThatsWhatSheSed
Whoa whoa whoa, Let's not get ahead of ourselves...
TheMoest
She deserves to go to jail but her eyebrows? Isn't the moral of this tragedy to be kind ? She's a sociopath, all bullying needs to STOP!
JestPilot
Ahhhh very good point.
cowboyshooter
It's like she is trying out for the role of Enchantress in the next Suicide Squad movie.
KingMojoIV
CRAAAAATE
Came here for this
TysonGoesOutside
Fashion crimes are typically tried separately.
TheGreatBlueHeron
Tried here, apparently.
HotSpoon
In the Criminal Fashion Justice System eyebrows are two separate but equally spaced groups: these are their stories. DUN DUN!
crimsonghost1
That's it?
imshibagel
Well she was tripping balls and hallucinating. This is also a justice system breakthrough with manslaughter via text
IFellOnMyKeys
15 of the 30 months is suspended, so it will be over her head during her supervised probation. She'll likely serve less than a year.
Kougeru
Only serving 15 months
BababaMoooya1
Saved
MrPredator
This is the best that can be done right now.
AssistantUnderSecretaryOfOnlyOkay
15 months in jail, the rest probation. Plus, she gets to stay out of jail until her case is appealed.
melshot
Does that say rape lol?
benderisgr8
Rampage
melshot
Oh! Lol
OatmealElbose
This is groundbreaking for the legal system though. Manslaughter based on words? That's huge
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SolidSnayke
You could say the same thing about a psychologist telling a patient to commit suicide.
SlightlyRacistBanana69
Uh yeah that would be just about the biggest breach of ethics imaginable, never mind the legal repercussions
Travistymx13
Charles Manson got the same thing 40 years ago.
Thelegaldeagle
Slightly different, but yes.
OatmealElbose
That was different. That was conspiracy to commit murder I believe
crimsonghost1
Yeah, but a whopping two and a half years? I have workboots older than that. That's not manslaughter, that was pre-meditated.
Belanus
I know it's not right, she got off so light because she's "mentally unstable".
Demoneli
She's not an adult though. The Juvenile Justice systems errs on rehabilitation.
redbob5k
As if minors havent been tried as an adult, although for more serious felonies.
Tcob2031
The PIECE OF SHIT gets a slap on the wrist, and she gave her boyfriend a death sentence. She got away with a murder. She will do it again
DemonDoc
This "piece of shit" as you claim got constant death threats from your boy Connor. She even insisted he get treatment in the beginning.
EddieFitzgerald
Terbler
This enrages me. She's a piece of shit.
phxcreature
Ha. No she won't.
Tcob2031
That is why she will do it again
ItsJustCole
Probably wont do it again though honestly
NCEric
Probably not... This was a crime of opportunity. She saw a way to get sympathy from her classmates but it backfired
banthis
You really don't understand the situation. "Crimes of opportunity" come along every few years for socially active people. She got away 1/2
banthis
with it this time, she'll probably get away with it next time too. 2/2
myteenyverse
It didn’t backfire, she encouraged a suicide. It would have backfired if he hadn’t died.
Skuzzbucket
That's exactly how I feel about it. I've had a couple friends commit suicide. In my opinion this kid was not suicidal but had made 1/2
Skuzzbucket
Mentions of it to her before... like a lot of young men do with their first "love". And she took advantage of it to get sympathy from 2/3
Skuzzbucket
Classmates. The texts that I read between them were abhorrent
MadeThisAccountToCorrectSomeone
I don't see how this is any different from normal harrassment
CamWing
She was using pretty intense psychological manipulation on a mentally ill person. It's no longer just harrassment at that point.
MadeThisAccountToCorrectSomeone
No that's pretty much just assisted suicide at that point
MadeThisAccountToCorrectSomeone
Big deal
IUpvoteBoxes
While I could see a way of making this harassment, this is definitionally an exercise of free speech. If I convince you to buy a time (1)
IUpvoteBoxes
like this are exactly where we can come up against our rights, not where they are easy to hold on to, but where its hard. Where every (3)
ifuckdragons
https://aclum.org/uncategorized/aclu-massachusetts-statement-michelle-carter-guilty-verdict/
IUpvoteBoxes
fiber in our being wants to cast them away in order to get justice, revenge, whatever. Having rights means even defending the worst, most(4)
IUpvoteBoxes
share, so long as I don't lie (fraud), you can't turn around and sue me if its a bad decision. At the end of the day, your choice. Cases(2)
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IUpvoteBoxes
The intensity of a circumstance has little to do with underlying principles. 3*X=X+X+X, regardless of how large X is. But to follow you, (1)
IUpvoteBoxes
7 is under 6, there is no 3
IUpvoteBoxes
convincing you to not speak, is that a crime? I doubt you want to criminalize shut up, so no, i think not. If i tell you, as a doctor, (5)
IUpvoteBoxes
I convince you to cut off your hand. No crime. I convince you to burn down your house. No crime. And so on. Unless i deceive you (fraud) (2)
IUpvoteBoxes
about factual realities, like "the only way to stop the poison is to cut off your hand". But these are all property-examples. What about (4)
IUpvoteBoxes
your last days are going to be filled with suffering, and you kill yourself, am i a criminal? Roy made a decision, a tragic decision, (6)
IUpvoteBoxes
but his alone. He chose to do something to himself. We wish he hadn't, but punishing one person for another's decision that we don' like (7)
IUpvoteBoxes
Is wrong
IUpvoteBoxes
vile, and utterly reprehensible of their uses. It would be interesting, from a legal standpoint, to try and nail her for harassment of (5)
IUpvoteBoxes
the mentally ill. This issue is far from settled in the eyes of the law, and our culture as a whole. (6).
CrazyGuyOnABike
Free speech already doesn't defend many types of speech, including defamation, fighting words, captive audiences, and many types of speech
CrazyGuyOnABike
by corporations. Most interestingly, incitement can be legally punished, in which case this would be incitement to suicide.
IUpvoteBoxes
defamation: involuntary damaging of someones reputation. If i convince you to go out and start being racist, you're damaging your own rep.
IUpvoteBoxes
Often it is not the speech, but what you /do/ with the speech. If i follow you around calling you slurs, im harassing you, theres the crime.
IUpvoteBoxes
I could harass you by banging a cone behind you as you walk around. same thing, no speech involved (you could stretch expression..i guess)
IUpvoteBoxes
captive audience: read the second paragraph https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/captive-audience-doctrine/, he chose to associate with her.
IUpvoteBoxes
fighting words: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fighting_words, this is the closest you get to what happen, ill talk more in comments.
IUpvoteBoxes
SC case where fighting words got mentioned: https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/315/568, for mutual convenience
IUpvoteBoxes
injury, but assuming she did indeed want Roy to kill himself, the words were designed to convince him to injury himself, rather than to (3)
IUpvoteBoxes
inflict injury. These two things seem to break with the SC's definition of "fighting words", but there's another division between this (4)
IUpvoteBoxes
-er. So she's not even being charged with a comparable or appropriate charge. It still doesn't change the fact that rhetoric, which is (11)
IUpvoteBoxes
SC definition: These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or "fighting" words (1/2)
IUpvoteBoxes
what this was, despite its perverseness in this instance, is not a crime and should not be a crime. Roy made a voluntary decision. (12)
IUpvoteBoxes
could be charged is if 1. the communication was involuntary with its recipient. 2. she was doing it in a public place in a manner (8)
IUpvoteBoxes
that could be widely picked up on. 3. There was some immediacy to the incitement and his immediate suicide. 4. The words were designed (9)
IUpvoteBoxes
-- those which, by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. (2/2)
IUpvoteBoxes
that's private beyond private. People can't even listen in on this by accident. Using the fighting words principle, the only way she (7)
IUpvoteBoxes
to directly damage him as an end goal. None of these apply, hence, this principle doesn't apply. Further she was convicted of manslaught(10)
IUpvoteBoxes
The constraint on the use of "fighting words" where it wouldn't apply here comes at two places. One, there was no "immediate breach of (1)
IUpvoteBoxes
and fighting words. The SC upheld the law in question here, noting that CT had narrowly confined the law, in part, to the "use in a (5)
IUpvoteBoxes
public place of words likely to cause a breach of the peace." Public place. They did this through text messages, on their phones. (6)
IUpvoteBoxes
the peace", or attempt to immediately breach it. This happened over weeks. So there's no immediacy. Two, the words weren't to inflict (2)