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Clone5102
A doctor, physician, and car machanic are driving in the desert. The car breaks down. Guess who's the genius?
RElGNMAN
So much to do so much to see So whats wrong with taking the back streets Youll never know if you don't go Youll never shine if you dont glow
bloodydingo
All well and good but anti intellectualism has driven my country (USA) into the fucking ground on fire.
Cktony
If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing it's stupid.
verylittleinsight
You may think the fish is stupid but the fish will continue on it's way without any concept of judgement.
Klaxun
These comments have devolved into hating on the educated, rather than having respect for the uneducated.
prestonhazel
What is the problem is when people arent genius at their jobs, but they think they are and act accordingly.
RoovyRoo
If you're down at 80, you're not fixing cars, unless that test was of poor quality.
IHaveABridgeToSell
So what do you do then?
DigiT00l
Different time, different standards
Umbreon07
I've always viewed intelligence as not what you know, but your ability to learn.
IZ42
Agreed. Full-spectrum tests are important for determining intelligence, not just IQ. I'm quite good with words and mental math, but if you
IZ42
Ask me to process instructions or events mentally or remember things, I'll fail hard.
GreaseMonkeyOfLove
I have a 156 IQ score, but I’m (very literally) retarded when it come to math.
caustickiwii
Intelligence is super subjective, but it's silly to draw equivalence between learned skills and "intelligence test material". Tests like
caustickiwii
that are usually designed to test underlying reasoning/learning/comprehension skills. That's not to say they tend to do a good job of
caustickiwii
measuring those things, but it's still obviously more general. That a mechanic knows more about cars than a professor should surprise no
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one.
Masterofdisgust
Honestly despite the memes. All star by smash mouth actually has great and semi-deep lyrics.
theendissneer
I've enjoyed the meme where someone Google translated all Star into another language and back into English. It really does sound much deeper
superbest
That last edition got me laughing good
Squeleton
But intelligence tests don't test specific job knowledge, they see if you get that square block goes in square hole..
hadtodownvote1
From elsewhere in the comments it seems some old ones did test knowledge. It also seems like most people believe knowledge=intelligence
SoraHjort
You can be quite smart, but not bright. You can be quite bright, but not smart. These are but two of many metrics to measure someone's Int.
abrakadumbass
Im in IT. I have people admit how dumb they feel having to call me to fix an issue that i can resolve quickly and easily. 1/2
abrakadumbass
I have to remind them that I've got a specialist skillset, one that happens to be different from the ones they have.
stevencloser
A very specific set of skills that make you a nightmare for people like them. If they hang up now and leave you be, that will be it.
stevencloser
But if they call again, you will look for them, you will find them, and you will restart their router so their internet works again or smth.
abrakadumbass
I cant do what my customers do, Drs, Lawyers, Accountants, and even mechanics. we all have something we're good at.
bfiGamer
The only people who are truly worthless in society are the middlemen.
pyrrhlis
No we're sure the other ships are right behind us
PhailRaptor
That's a bit of a blanket statement. Some middle-men are essential. Others are superfluous. Need to be more specific.
IHaveABridgeToSell
And that is why you get your produce directly from the farm, your car from the factory and your gasoline from the refinery.
DirtyImmaturePottymouthedSmartass
I have a coworker who reads and writes like a 7-year-old. With a wrench in his hand he's a fucking genius.
tcgl
My grandfather was like that. Borderline illiterate but with a natural gift for engineering. Too bad he was also a total cretin.
georgeforsythe6911
My son very much like that but autistic.
4sheets
Any chance he's an interrogator for the NYPD?
Geracht
Meanwhile, I have a coworker with a master's in business finance, and he acts like if brains was dynamite, he couldn't blow his nose with it
assasCakeLifter
Common trait of dislexia is talent in other areas
TommyWa
My autotech instructor in HS misspelled "good day" on the board in big letters on the chalkboard on the 1st class day. Smartest prof Ive had
NautiGal
my boss is helpless with tech. But give him a ship, or ship's systems, and he's a god. Yet every cruise, i have to fix his phone for him.
Hobbes777
I’m gonna be 30 yrs old soon. One of the few wholesome non cynical outlooks that has held up, is we really do have our own strengths.
fedeColorTerror
Probably dyslexic.
CommissarFuklaw
I know somone who is barely literate due to dyslexia, but he is a gifted artist. I am really happy for them, as people who knew about it 1/
CommissarFuklaw
Were worried he would have trouble finding a career that he could have success in, and then he found his talent and has been thriving since.
JapaneseGeneticists
I'm probably the most educated in my family, college graduate, have never felt dumber in my life. My greatest moments all involve 1/2
JapaneseGeneticists
Improvising repairs and using the items and tools I have on hand or whatever's nearby. Can put together just about anything with right tools
EddyWantok
My dad is not great at writing an has trouble reading. 4 trades an a amazing faceter. Carpenter, Motor mechanic, Plumber an Electrician.
avh02
I sense his writing problem may be hereditary
EddyWantok
Charmed I'm sure.
verylittleinsight
If you absolutely must be pedantic about the English language then please end your sentences with a full-stop.
MuffinsSpelledBackwardsIsSniffum
Where can I get one of these wrenches?
TooManyLibtards
Hahaha
mikeatike
Knife (int+)
KingOfAntarctica
... yo dawg. I'm stealing this for my dnd campaign
BaldProfessor
gastonlikegaston
IQ test still measure people's ability to acquire new information and learn efficiently. Doesn't mean your stupid, just may not be able to
gastonlikegaston
Pick up multiple/new things efficiently. People shouldn't throw out IQ because "oh mechanic is still good with cars, and my lawyer isn't"
gastonlikegaston
That's not how that works. People with low IQ can be good at one thing, but not be able to develop other skills because of that.
gastonlikegaston
It's still a good measure of potential success in children and determining how apt people are for certain things
Onlyhereforthelaughs
Mom would read us the Black Widowers by Asimov. Never solved any myself, but I liked hearing it be solved.
JustinSane6
I once dated a woman that was the most genius idiot ever.
Mermaidgirl916
I know many people like this. Partner is a programmer, half of his colleagues are extremely intelligent idiots! All brain, no common sense.
supraman2turbo
go on
AdobewanKenobe
Yes, go on...
HonestCommentFarmer
Intelligence is ability to learn and integrate knowledge together. It is not knowledge or skill itself.
HonestCommentFarmer
Although there are jobs and skills that require you to be smart in order to perform them well. Rocket science comes to mind.
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Fuck this. I get that the mechanic is smart in his own trade but doesn’t mean he’s smarter than someone who’s more educated.
intaglioguy
Educated people can still be ignorant. "Smart" is subjective and dependent on the milieu. The mechanic is smarter than the educated when 1/
intaglioguy
2/ it comes to his specialty. He also demonstrates common sense. He also is able to recognize that education does not equal common sense.
BendOverAndIllShowYa
Yes common sense is completely different than being educated. Agree on that point. It also says nothing about a persons value or worth.
ProgeriaProstitutes
Smarter in another way.
Averien
More educated in a field =/= smarter in.. any way. Asimov could have been an incredibly knowledgeable mechanic if he'd bothered to learn 1/
Averien
it. His mechanic could not have replicated Asimov's deeds.
stevencloser
Experienced. Not smart. If the doctor spent as much time working on cars as the mechanic, he'd likely become just as capable.
stevencloser
But you can't learn how to be intelligent. You can learn skills, information and facts, but that is not the same as intelligence.
wanderingTravaler
I love the saying that an intellectual is a person educated past their intelligence.
iamthisguy247
You push that much in, you’re bound to push some stuff out.
AdobewanKenobe
Karl Pilkington, the archetypal idiot savant said the same when explaining why he didn't want to learn new stuff.
joeyjojosharknado
Quote from Asimov's great counterpart, Arthur C Clarke. I'm a lecturer, worked with many highly educated people and damn is this accurate.
kittykat25909
This is why I hate when parents or teachers or even other people use to berate me for being "so smart why can't you learn this"
intaglioguy
"Because you're incapable of teaching to my way of learning." Not everyone learns in the same way.
kittykat25909
im good at science damnit, not English fucking history or social studies or whatever the fuck else they wanted at the time.
AwesomeTeddybear
When I was young I was good at sports and science, but I could not, if my life depended on it, commit to studying. I wanted to be outside,
AwesomeTeddybear
playing or doing sports or cycling through the woods. Nearly had a burnout when I was 16 because of the mismatch in careerpath vs feelings
JohnBlevins
My response was usually "Because I just don't care about it."
SolomonSinclair
Don't care about it and don't enjoy it were usually my answers.
Threeleggedcow
I was the same but with maths. Nailed every other subject, got a c average in maths couldn't keep the numbers in my head. Got yelled at alot
SeriousSeamstress
There's actually a learning disability called Dyscalculia. It means you have trouble with math and numbers.
leopardspotster
Same here. Honors English, A’s & B’s everything else. Advanced artistic ability too. But Math? C’s, D’s & F’s tho I tried very hard. Had to
leopardspotster
take Geometry over in HS because I failed first time. Then had to take remedial math class to get into college. My brain & abstract numbers
leopardspotster
don’t do well but then worked in graphic design -lots of practical application of numbers- fractions, percentages, etc. & did great. Didn’t
Barrum
1/This confuses intelligence with experience. A test based on experience will be difficult to pass without that requisite experience. I
Barrum
2/don't necessarily claim to know what metric can be accurately used to measure intelligence, but presumably intelligence is ones ability to
Barrum
3/learn, or perhaps comprehend complexity. Either way, I think this is more telling commentary on the value of intelligence alone. Being
Barrum
4/academically intelligent isn't alone helpful, and it will not substitute hard work and practice in a given field
Adderkleet
I think that's Asimov's point. IQ is not a measure of "intelligence" since the test was originally designed to show experience (& still is)
Adderkleet
The questions on the first IQ test used in the US included "who wrote Romeo & Juliet" and "what color is Ruby?". Easy if you're educated.
alsoAzrael
It's worth noting that accurately measuring actual intelligence is notoriously hard and is still very dependent on arbitrary definitions.
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gastonlikegaston
Measuring intelligence can be a good indicator for success in life, but like you said, experience can be used to succeed in one thing.
Jordinatinglybeautiful
Yes. On all. Intelligence measures inherent capacity to understand, not experience, ambition, fondness for expertise, physical dexterity etc
doesntmatter
According to the people who are good at the first but not with the others (is Aasimov's point)
Jordinatinglybeautiful
This is slightly bullocks mixed with a dash of old wives tale. Intelligence is based on 22 facets and sets out the CAPACITY to understand...
DickDastardly404
Well it is Asimov, and as much as I love the guy he did write a lot of shit.
Jordinatinglybeautiful
... not the learned ability.
Jordinatinglybeautiful
That should read 12 facets. AUTHOR’S NOTE: intelligence is not linked to spelling either.
MathiasTolerain
12 is a pretty specific number, I assume you have a theory of intelligence in mind when quoting it. I'm curious, which one?
TheGalacticLeprechaunwithtinynipples
Kinda spits on the effort that goes into making IQ tests that give reliable results across nationality and training based on basic skills
shadowex3
The CAPACITY to understand... things that are overwhelmingly skewed towards western academia. Which is why IQ tests are a proxy for wealth.
stevencloser
Didn't know western academia had a monopoly for spatial awareness, pattern finding and stuff like that.
theSungamer
No, my intelligence is based on 4 rolled d6 where I picked the highest 3.
IProbablyDontKnow
I have a good friend of mine that doesn't pride himself on being a book smart, but has the most amazing nursery. He has a gifted green thumb
sydbaby1
My first thought was a baby nursery and I was perplexed yet intrigued.
WoefulWombat
Knowning a lot about plants is book smarts though. There's heaps of courses in schools about agriculture/horticulture.
girIfriendinacoma
I'm a horticulturalist, you learn waaaaay more with hands on experience than what you read in a book
thefiresoflurve
While it's true it is often taught in schools, it doesn't necessarily mean everyone learns it there.
WoefulWombat
Not everyone learns chemistry or engineering either, still book smarts.
Nickelbackfat
I think it’s so cool that we aren’t all good at or interested in the same things.
Varimothras
And information for so many fields is readily available
mayodash
Yes.. I was thinking the other how it's sad I get paid more to sit at my computer than people who work in retail having to deal with people
mayodash
When I would chose to do my job even if the pay was the other way round
barryleaper
very few people are truly stupid, ignorant, yes, stupid, no
safespacesnowflake
The irony.
NeoHelios
Kevin ate crayons. Twice.
Ryzanify
I never call anyone stupid. intentionally. unless I want to hurt their feelings
barryleaper
well, there you go
VeteranKamikaze
Yeah, I'd be willing to bet that said mechanic was highly intelligent but applied that intelligence to knowledge of automotive mechanics.
claudesniper
You're not stupid, you just have to stop believing that you can't understand, stop saying "oh im not a (car/insert skill) guy"
StigsMilwaukeeCousin
Word. People surrender way to easily when met with a challenge. If you try, you might fail, but the next time you try you'll fail less.
StigsMilwaukeeCousin
Too*
LetMeSeeMyKids
Intelligence is subjective, while common sense is something more universal and can be evaluated equally per populations. Consider how much..
LetMeSeeMyKids
Common sense the average person has. Now, half the world's population is below that.
JeezusJuice
Gotta define stupid. If stupid is below average intelligence, then there are a lot of stupid people. The degree of stupidity varies widely,
JeezusJuice
but because one is less stupid than another doesn’t matter. Imo, cars are very easy to fix, it’s more a matter of having the right tool than
JeezusJuice
anything else. Point being, people who score highly on intelligence tests probably suck at fixing cars because they don’t do it, nor do they
JeezusJuice
care to do it, but if they had to, they’d figure it out. On the other hand, the guy who can’t read, write, or do basic math, but can fix any
JeezusJuice
car you put in front of him is still stupid. Being good at a thing doesn’t negate stupidity. Being stupid doesn’t mean you’re worthless.
barryleaper
stupid is a pejorative term, i have a bro with development issues, never going to be a physicist but he is very savvy about humanity 1/
JeezusJuice
It may be used that way, but it has a definition. It means someone greatly lacking intelligence or common sense. Ignore that all you want.
JeezusJuice
I mean, FFS, you started using it as a non-pejorative, and when that’s used against you, suddenly it means something else so you can still
JeezusJuice
make your point? Go fuck yourself.
barryleaper
i have also worked with many vulnerable groups and if you want to class them as stupid i cannot stop you, fill your boots, this is your call
barryleaper
if you want to go around calling people stupid that is your call
ElbowDeepInASeahorse
I can name a few
barryleaper
good for you buddy
Threeleggedcow
Hes not your buddy, pal.
mynameajefff
Surely you can't be serious
RoyaIeWithCheese
He's not your pal, friend.
elbowdeepinachicken
He's not your friend, guy.
barryleaper
here we go...
pennetteAlfredoIsNotAnItalianDish
And yet those few have managed to move right next to my door.
barryleaper
nae luck
ChristosMylordos
I agree with the sentiment, but the way I read this as list made me chuckle.
barryleaper
i too have worked with the public, we can be punch bags for all sorts
johnvictor
Still, if we're just talking like 2% of the population that's something like 8 million idiots fouling things up.
johnvictor
US population that is.
morelikeconsham
General intelligence is a very difficult topic to wrangle - it's not clear yet how much deviance there is on "smartness". That being said,
morelikeconsham
as a teacher, the majority of students who struggle with school do not struggle due to a lack of intelligence. Most of the time work ethic,
morelikeconsham
attitude, foundation, or being underprivileged are the culprits. That being said, talent is clearly real and a factor. Some of my most hard
morelikeconsham
working students had terrible grades because at the end of the day, they weren't that smart.
SpringToMyWinter
Nearly anyone who has held a customer support role may disagree.
barryleaper
i said few
barryleaper
that is subjective, it has many factors, airs of superiority, entitlement, ignorance, just pain bad, it does not indicate stupidity as such
garamasike
I had a woman today trying on shoes, who couldn’t figure out if the shoes on her feet fit. I can’t call that anything but stupidity.
NotAfraidToOffendYou
I’ve had the same thing with gloves. Like dude it’s on your hand and you can’t tell if it fits? You are fucked then
garamasike
If I have to describe to a grown adult what to assess— does the shoe hurt anywhere? Does it rub uncomfortably against your foot? Etc
garamasike
Not just once, not just twice, but at least three different times...then I’m sorry., but you’re just stupid.
barryleaper
we all do derpy things, i have, but i do not consider myself stupid 100% of the time, you have just seen a person for a few minutes
barryleaper
and shoes are an important buy, wait till age hits, shoes might fit at some points, not at others, i have health issues, some daysfeet swell
myr14d
That mechanic was telling that joke because someone got him with it.
LeSethX
Reminds me of the Scrubs episode: What 2 coins add up to 30 cents, one of them is not a quarter?
myr14d
Two of these: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6763.html
NobodyWorthThinkingAbout
A nickel and a quarter. One is not a quarter, but the other is.
SophieClockwise
Correction: One of them isn't a nickel. The answer is a penny, and a 1972 dime with a Roosevelt imperfection, today worth exactly 29 cents.
Barantor
A teaching moment by a mechanic who had learned knowledge that Asimov did not have.
TheBestRussian
Someone has 3 brothers named North, West and East. What’s the fourth brother’s name?
secretoaster
Bob
flyingmonkeystick
Timothy.
MitchBeaucannon
There are guys who call him … Tim.
piewacket
Someone doesn’t have a 4th brother.
LetMeSeeMyKids
4th brother is named Whats
Jeeveswife
There is a question mark not a period
Bastion144
Assuming "Someone" is a guy, then it's "Someone."
SonderingStrike
Steve, obviously.
Damiv
Someone.
HerrBisch
https://xkcd.com/169/
TheBestRussian
There’s always an XKCD. Always. Excellent.
Jeeveswife
Assuming someone is a girl there is not a fourth brother. She only has 3.
TheBestRussian
Aha +1 for creativity
LetMeSeeMyKids
Did you just assume someone's gender? It's 2020, fack.
paintbullits
Is there still only two """jokes""" about gender in 2020? Please get new material.
LetMeSeeMyKids
The brothers name is Someone. Literally, he assumed Someone's gender.