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MrsPrendsen
Yes, I will make sure to watch at least two of these before bed tonight. I apparently do not need to sleep.
mutableair
Thanks, I hate it.
Doumdidoum
#7 Capturing the Friedmans messed me up. Father & son both confessed to avoid charges against the other. Evidence was scanty, family ruined.
WorshipTheSun
Never forget who shot J.R.
BoredomConspiracy
I thought Cropsey wasn't real and just a mockumentary
AtsaMattaForMe
Bobbutnotthatbob
None for me in 2020, thanks. I got enough evil this year
mikeatike
Kids of Cash was a lot more than a "suspicion". Two judges went to jail and a lot of cases were overturned.
Thispostisaboutacat
DO NOT WATCH DEAR ZACHARY
StarfishSex
I cry so hard every time.
paulhollywood9
More Save than Likes? Cmon show some love. BTW its missing "Missing 411 - Hunted". Its on Amazon.
WhateverIsTrendyRightNow
Watched that about a month ago. Freaking weird, man.
kittykat
Agreed. I feel like if I save a post I owe them an upvote.
prettydumb
i dont know why ya'll like this shit
SpammaJamma
Dear Zachary is fucking depressing.
HollowDuckQuack
I created IMDB list for for convenience: https://www.imdb.com/list/ls083766820/
Flailingkitten
You're a hero. Thank you.
IHeartSwissChocolate
AndyFrazzle
coolio, thank you
mycleverusernameisthis
The Bridge was really sad and educational for me.
haveueverwentfast
I found it very educational and interesting. Very emotional at times though for obvious reasons
Sonorum
I have to add: The Iceman - confessions of a mafia hitman.
DesertLeporid
I read the book and it was freaking insane. Mind blowing stuff.
TurtIeproof
If you like spooky stuff but don't to feel visceral terror, My Favorite Murderer is a great podcast, just two classy ladies dishing about it
threechis
Those ladies are funny as hell
thatscool22
My favorite murder. It’s a comedy true crime podcast. If you don’t like that jokes will be made while discussing murderers, get the fuck out
2ndplaceisasetofsteakknives
#2 wasn't just a "suspicion". It legit happened and the judges were given prison time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal
ICantThinkofaUsernameFML
Pretty sure they made a Law & Order: SVU episode about it too
Newfangledtomfoolery
If you value your emotional sanity, DO NOT watch Dear Zachary. Go outside. Read a book. Donate to charity. Do anything but view that tragedy
nutjob2
I took your advice and read Dear Zachary, the novel. Thanks a lot.
weirdscottishguy
Thanks for the advice. Really.
HollowDuckQuack
None of them are on Netflix sadly.
smellslikeflowers
The Dahmer interview with Stone Phillips is on YouTube. Pretty sure it's where I watched The Bridge as well.
HollowDuckQuack
I will just find my pirate head, movies on youtube are usually bad quality.
pinatafarmer
Dear Zachary kicked my ass, that one and Life According to Sam
SeeMyVests
Exactly zero of these are currently on Netflix
abraxis
There's Something Wrong With Aunt Diane is on hulu I think, I watched it recently
CitizenPrime
Not sure why you're getting downvoted my dude
dizzyturtle
I favorited this for nothing.
AtlasFutureOverthrowsAmerica
Thanks for saving me from searching
mallerzkay
I just watched the Aunt Diane one. The guy needs to accept his wife was drunk and move on, it's painful/disrespectful to the other victims.
PornhubsFirstTree
Yeah I remember this like it was yesterday. Very poor decisions made that day and it crushes families forever.
Ensy
Same. Live in NY tri state area so was HEAVILY on local news at the time. Couldn’t get the family out of my head that lost 3 of their kids
Ensy
At the same time (her nieces)
saltyPopcornkitty
I felt completely mislead into believing that there was something mysterious or controversial - NOPE. Just a drunk driver with kids in car.
mallerzkay
Her husband refuses to accept it. Saying she wasn't an alcoholic. It's alcoholic behavior sure, but you don't HAVE to be an alcoholic to -
mallerzkay
Get wasted and drive one time. It's a fact she was drunk, whether she never drank a day in her life is irrelevant cuz she did that day and -
mallerzkay
It had catastrophic results.
Excludos
#3 It's been known for a while now that the events of the Stanford Prison experiment didn't occur quite as Zimbardo described.
Excludos
It is no longer being considered as an accurate model for how humans behave in that sort of situation
Matsuuu
Imo it is good model for how they behave in that sort of situation. They did behave certain way in certain situation. But it wasn't 1/2
Matsuuu
scientific experiment. It lacked the science part. But it showed that higher authority seems to affect to brutality. 2/2
Excludos
The problem with the experiment was that the guards had been directed to be cruel, and that the victims were acting.
Excludos
It's not a good model for how humans behave because most parts of it were completely faked.
MasonHess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawney_Bean
Jellyyy81
Also allegedly a source of the legend behind Sweeney Todd
jesusisherelookbusy
https://youtu.be/mvR_rgm2nBM
SausageCowboy
Cropsy was a good documentary
Hexx05
I'll have to try watching it again. I started it years back but after like 30 minutes in the narrators voice was just irritating me too much
balover1996
EXACTLY what I thought seeing it in the list!
Hexx05
Glad im.not the only one then.
Daddymememaster1
Leaving this here for when the courage hits.
CancerAintReal
After you watch Cropsey, I high recommend watching Killer Legends. Same guy who made Cropsey. Both are great documentaries.
brodyestes4
Replying so you have a notification
Mercurybird
Good idea. Here’s another notification in case anyone needs one more.
saltyPopcornkitty
If I can save just ONE person from "Whats Wrong With Aunt Diane?" because there is no mystery, its just a family in denial, SHE WAS DRUNK.
ChrisCorona
Yep. Grasping at straws to avoid accepting an unpleasant but very obvious truth.
DesertLeporid
I guess we'll never know what her motive really was. Sure, she was drunk but she wasn't an alcoholic. Why did she get drunk that day? (1
DesertLeporid
I'm curious about the motive behind the choice and I'm curious to know if it was planned or not. And if it was, what an awful way to die (2
DesertLeporid
I feel like there must've been something behind it that took her to that sadistic point. I wish they'd make another docu w/o the family (3
DesertLeporid
So they could really research what was going on behind close doors. Maybe they're defending her to keep *their* name clear . I also (4
DesertLeporid
thought the relationship behind the husband and his SiL was weird as hell. Almost like they were together? (5
LaserDolphin
It was such a weird, horrible story. It seemed like there was more to it than just her being drunk
Imavampire6
There's a nosleep story that is based on this, worth a listening to if anyone is up for it.
Brucecori2
Link please
Imavampire6
If you have spotify you can listen to the nosleep podcast there, let me do some digging for that specific story.
Imavampire6
https://amp.reddit.com/r/nosleep/comments/2oeaai/copper_canyon/ This is the readable version.
Brucecori2
Wow, good read!
saltyPopcornkitty
There is no answer. Everyone denies that she was a drinker, everyone denies that she smoked pot. There is NO CONCLUSION. Its a waste.
Brucecori2
People close to her said she did those things in moderation. Nobody knows WHY she snapped though and drank a bottle of vodka while driving.
Brucecori2
Problem is it's all he said she said. Interviews with people who want to play the blame game. I suspect some argument or incident occurred
Brucecori2
that never came to light. It's pretty clear that she was drinking and driving though. Going 80 mph the wrong way is intentional.
gradeD
Denial is a powerful force.
SJohnson23
No it isn’t.
KeanuReevesBeardTrimmings
Well played
SJohnson23
No it wasn’t.
MsMax75
Letters to Zachary will wreck your soul
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ThickTomato
Thank you, that is the tldr for the tldr except for all the horror I dont want to read/know
hoshanabanana
Spoilers dude
YankeeWhite
That'll be a hard pass for me then.
saltyPopcornkitty
Agreed. I will NEVER gorget that one.
longwalksoffshorttangets
Never gorget
gradeD
Gorget: not even once
Kemyo
Never Gorget Yesterday
eddiefuckyoueddie
Gorget: not even once
LoRdRePeNt
I watched Dear Zachary once. I have never forgotten it.
Kilkaranoga
Same here. I recommend it to everyone, not revealing a lot, but tell them to prepare themselves
MotherEffinSatan
One of the hardest cries I've ever had. I'm so happy about what happened with his parents after. Check out the followup movie/Doc on YouTube
lostoutside
It really is heartbreaking
lobsterslovebutter
I sobbed uncontrollably watching it. I was literally shaking. I was not prepared for that ending. It still hurts thinking about it today.
kjb72
I did too. Never again.
Princebabyeater
Once is all it takes
DillPixels
It’s over. I need a hug. I need someone to cuddle with to sleep. David and Kate are incredible people.
Gigas85
Definitely sticks with you. Love it though.
kermitopus
Rage crying. The best two word summary of the movie, not mine, but it got me interested in seeing it to find out the fuss. Sticks with you
DillPixels
I’m finally watching it. I’m so fucking emotional. This is so well done.
Mustardbumps
An incredibly well made doc. Absolutely heart wrenching and maddening. Carol Baskin move over.
JustMe4455
Same
kellydubs
My heart drops every time I see it on one of these lists. It haunts me
Sixsystems
I drive by the murder/suicide location on the way to work almost every day.
ThePerro
Just finished watching it, and aside from forcing back tears (just writing this comment even) I feel like I got punched in the gut.
DillPixels
This made me decide it’ll be the first one I watch.
kellydubs
Masochist
DillPixels
I’m almost finished watching it. I’ve never sobbed like this at a show or film.
getotterhere
freakwaph
It hurt when I watched it. I have a 10 month old now, I don't think I could handle re-watching it now.
SaveAChocoboRideAnAirship
I've seen it three times and it's awful each time.
dizzyturtle
The person who let that bitch out of jail deserves to go to jail.
Blazingpantloads
My wife and I watched it after seeing it recommended on another imgurians must watch list. We were both gutted by the story, so upsetting.
meepmorprobotnoises
I watched it at my brothers house and he was genuinely worried about me driving home after on account of my sobbing. It was so devastating.
H4V0
That doc honestly fucked me up for a long time.
Cranbananarama
Could I get a summary?
aintnothinbutahounddog28
.
theoneandonlyandrewtheonly
A summary would not do the revelations justice.
Stuffsalotamuff
.
Crackedfingers78
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dear_Zachary:_A_Letter_to_a_Son_About_His_Father
mentallychallengeaccepted
Everything sad you can imagine and just multiply that shit. I cried. I cried so much
DarkSock
TrynaHelp
Saddest documentary ever. There's a part where the doc maker/narrator starts crying while narrating and it's too damn heartbreaking
JustSlootin
1/ Andrew is killed by his ex, who turns out to be pregnant with his child. His parents get custody of the son and the ex is jailed but
JustSlootin
2/ is later released on bail and is given joint custody of the child. While she has the boy she commits suicide by jumping into
JustSlootin
3/ a lake or ocean, can't remember exactly. So she and the boy both die. The people responsible for releasing her were found guilty
JustSlootin
4/ of misconduct. It is a tremendously sad documentary.
StAnonymous
A letter to Zach about his dad turns into a docu about the mom committing murder/suicide by walking into a lake with Zach tied to her chest.
nikkioli
Wtf
Cranbananarama
Rough stuff...
AnApologeticCanadian
Jesus Christ...
StarscreamAndHutch
I have it in the queue, haven’t found a good time to take it on.
carmen0302
Find time but make sure you have the emotional bandwidth to deal with it.
RonSwansonsGirl
It is probably the most heartbreaking and deeply affecting documentary I have ever seen. Make sure you're in a decent head space.
TheTimesTheyAreAChangin
Make sure you have tissues
boshbashbish
Its not showing up for me on Netflix in the UK? Anyone else?
RonSwansonsGirl
It's on youtube and probably a few free documentary sites. https://youtu.be/2EQI0bO9KSw
boshbashbish
Thank you.
RonSwansonsGirl
You're welcome!
namelessone
Just remember that the Stanford prison experiment has been somewhat discredited, if I recall, and putting Jeffrey Dahmer in the spotlight 1/
IWishPeopleWouldStopStealingMyUsernames
Not just somewhat - entirely discredited. In similar experiments, noone has observed similar behaviour, and participants reported afterwards
IWishPeopleWouldStopStealingMyUsernames
that Zimbardo actually directed the students playing the guards to be violent and aggressive towards the prisoners so as to create conflict
IWishPeopleWouldStopStealingMyUsernames
and create an effect. Basically the dude was a sociopath and wanted to make students torment each other. As an experiment its literally
IWishPeopleWouldStopStealingMyUsernames
worthless and provides no valid or useful data.
theshinobi23
They could've declined to do so,but instead followed his directions.Doesn't that prove the point that people often follow authority blindly?
whatsthataboot
When you say no one reports the same behavior in “similar experiments”: a similar experiment after that era couldn’t get approval. (...)
whatsthataboot
... People absolutely follow instructions with known terrible consequences and abuse power in other documented experiences.
IWishPeopleWouldStopStealingMyUsernames
Similar as in trying to establish unprompted aggression against strangers. You're right in that an exact copy of the "study" has never been
IWishPeopleWouldStopStealingMyUsernames
repeated due to the blatant ethical violations involved, but there have been a great many small scale studies where people are given the
whatsthataboot
Elliott: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/lesson-of-a-lifetime-72754306/
whatsthataboot
Milgram: https://opentextbc.ca/socialpsychology/chapter/obedience-power-and-leadership/
whatsthataboot
Wynn & Bloom: https://youtu.be/FRvVFW85IcU (even babies are capable of arbitrary bias and children can be vindictive, as many already know.)
namelessone
romanticizes serial killers and makes them do things for the spotlight. 2/2
sprinkledonutyummy
Yep. This is why you’ll never catch me watching movies like that.
amp99
In the same way news coverage focusing on body count, killer's identity, and specific details of mass shootings often results in copycats.
makethefrogblockthelog
Thx for the PSA. Alternately, we didn't have a word for serial killers until 40 years ago cuz they acted normal. So this is public awareness
namelessone
Not sure the minutiae serve public awareness much.
makethefrogblockthelog
Well keeping shit in the dark deffo doesn't
UltraLincoln
I like you, oh namelessone
namelessone
Why, thank you.
SeeMyVests
Now kith!
DancesWithHedgehogs
Plot twist: @UltraLincoln is a serial killer.
BluntSword
It is very possible that the Stanford Prison Experiment was bad science. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment
humptysorthopedic
SPE was more of a "demonstration" than scientific "experiment" ..... he told "guards" to act like a-holes. "prisoners" played roles to help
Rabidwoodchuck1119
https://www.prisonexp.org/
colsanders2002
© 1999-2020, Philip G. Zimbardo. Hardly an unbiased source.
Rabidwoodchuck1119
True, but it does explain original purpose & finds of the experiment. Gotta be better sauce than Wikipedia.
whereisausername
“the guards received precise instructions regarding the treatment of the prisoners” https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/2019-letexier.pdf
Arcian
It's pretty much universally accepted it was bad science.
Myrectumhousesasmallindonesianfamily
Probably, entertaining, though.
retailmemedrone
No it was bad science. The group sample is too small no real controls, and also lack of proper documentation fails it
retailmemedrone
I honestly think psychology should not be required for so many degrees. Especially since after one credit people think they know everything
somethingawesomeandgreat
Yeah, it can’t be held as scientific experiment, it was an act. Guards were pushed and adviced to act certain way etc
SkeletorXD
That and people generally treat one another like shit for no particular reason at all.
SkeletorXD
We even stereotype this behavior with nicknames like "Karen" or "Chad".
Ghaiths3id
No the whole issue is that the participants were almost literally told to be shitty to one another
amp99
Yep, and the fact it's been referenced so frequently (particularly in defence of nonsense theories in pop psychology) is infuriating.
Ebo352
DhuQarnayn
Didnt they not separate control groups, or have no researchers on site or something? I forget, it's been a while
amp99
Also, 'Knowing Better' on YouTube did a video featuring a breakdown of the experiment (starts at 6:47): https://youtu.be/LMbuUUlSQ5w?t=407
amp99
Well, there was no control group (it wasn't really possible with the setup), plus they told the "guards" what results they expected... 1/2
amp99
and when guards weren't being as aggressive as they wanted they encouraged/forced them to do so. Ultimately, it was simply fraudulent. 2/2
CommonRobot
Legit question: How has it been used in defense of nonsense theories? I haven’t seen that
amp99
Perhaps unsurprisingly, Malcolm Gladwell's 'The Tipping Point' had a chapter referencing it, presenting it as though it wasn't deeply flawed
igivetheinternets
Malcolm strikes me as the same kind of mentality sometimes. If something feels right it's ok to make shit up to fit that narrative.
Komradekrampus
People used it as a defense of the torture at abu ghraib prison
ronnyhugo
You know the point really was to warn about the dangers of authority trust. A wise thing in a nation where corporations give money 1/2
ronnyhugo
to political campaigns "because a corporation is its own entity/individual" (supreme court case in '79 decided that). 2/3
ronnyhugo
This results in those politicians' whos opinions are profitable, get the most funding, so they get the authoritative position in election3/4
ronnyhugo
after election. The ones with the least campaign funding are sort of just encouraged to go and hide. And the stanford experiment 4/5
ronnyhugo
Showed us even back then that self-proclaimed rational people will bow to authority in what was later discovered to be many ways. 5/5
localsurfer
Well yeah. At best it only shows that middle class college kids would do this.
igivetheinternets
True if by "this" you mean fake an experiment for an agenda.
Bystandr
Quite a few psychiatrists would flinch at this inconvenient truth if served with proof on their own theories.
Rapturesfall
Like who? They're scientific studies and theories, there has to be a basis in literature for any theory you have.
Bystandr
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-experiment-fraud-psychology-replication
Ghaiths3id
It doesn't show this, the students were literally told to "be tough" on the "prisoners". Its basically a bad version of Milgram's (1/3)
Ghaiths3id
Experiment on authority. The Stamford experiment also selected for people interested in prisons and reform which as you may have (2/3)
Ghaiths3id
Guessed is guaranteed to attract people who long for authority (3/3/
Arzcheron
Is that the one the wave is based on?
BriefausdemGeist
No, Stanford was the “fake prison” one. You’re thinking of Ron Jones ‘the third wave’ experiment in 1967
Arzcheron
Oh ok thanks for the clarification
Bojangles87
Yes, The Wave was based on the same principals as the Stanford Prison Experiment. Just took place in a school instead of a prison.
BriefausdemGeist
Uh, not really. One was about fascism and the other was about tribalism. Related, but not same principles
BriefausdemGeist
ThankYouForYourTime
Is there another source other than Wikipedia?
somethingawesomeandgreat
3/ https://gen.medium.com/the-lifespan-of-a-lie-d869212b1f62
somethingawesomeandgreat
1/ https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html
ThankYouForYourTime
Thank you!
GeneralWho
Yes - all the sources cited in Wikipedia under Footnotes, References, and External links. Click on the little numbers in the article.
ThankYouForYourTime
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source
GeneralWho
They're talking about the Wikipedia article itself as an unreliable source, not the cited sources. You still have to use the sources cited.
GeneralWho
Think of going to the works cited as clicking on a link to a non-wikipedia link that someone gave you here.
TheBluntForce
Wikipedia is literally full of citations and references. Read the article, click on the number after a sentence, link to the citation.
TheBluntForce
Wiki cant be reference source. But you can use wiki to find associated sources within the wiki article.
Hoarderofsecrets
This has some good stuff. https://youtu.be/KND_bBDE8RQ
Rabidwoodchuck1119
https://www.prisonexp.org/ dr. Zimbardo is listed as owner of the copyright if this site
ThankYouForYourTime
Thanks!
Ghaiths3id
That's not reliable Zimbardo consistently lied about the experiment to make it look better
jennym123
The link is too long to fit into the comments but citation 32 from the wiki page looks like what you want.
ThankYouForYourTime
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source
RevolutionOnHerLips
Oh, nvm. Just a troll account. Move on people.
somethingawesomeandgreat
2/ https://www.livescience.com/62832-stanford-prison-experiment-flawed.html
ThankYouForYourTime
Thank you!
SydneySleeper
All the sources the article uses are at the very bottom of the webpage. It's why I trust wikipedia, all the sources are right there
ThankYouForYourTime
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source
liquidestswords
You do realize everything on wikipedia is cited, right?
ThankYouForYourTime
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source
thor0486
You don't cite wikipedia as a source, you go to the bottom and go directly to the sources cited by wikipedia and check those and cite them
ztygs
Don't waste your time. This guy is just straight up trolling by now.
dingofdong
Once again: Everything on Wikipedia is cited. The way to find "another source" is to follow the references and see if they're credible
Septcanmat
You keep posting the “Wikipedia is not a reliable source” page from Wikipedia itself, which means you don’t understand either the value or
Septcanmat
the purpose of a citation. People aren’t telling you to read the Wikipedia article itself as a source, but that the Wikipedia article HAS
Septcanmat
citations you can look at, and you can judge the quality of these sources for yourself (eg. Are they scientific papers, or random blog
Septcanmat
posts?) The whole point of Wikipedia saying “don’t source Wikipedia” is so that you don’t get into a situation if there being a series of
ThankYouForYourTime
Oh they aren’t telling me to read an article by linking to an article?
ztygs
You can look at the bottom for citations for anything the article claims you absolute spanner of a person.
RevolutionOnHerLips
Are you seriously this dense?