There are good jews and the bad ones think this way because of propaganda/indoctrination, but once a majority of your people start being in favor of killing kids, well eventually you must be the one responsible for what you believe, say and do. Of all people in history they ought to know better.
Yeah fuck off with that "oh we have an excuse to be worst of the worst scum of the earth bc of a trauma!". *This* shit *IS* the propaganda. This deep analytical talk for themselves while "terrorism" or "Arab" it's just full on hatred and demonisation with no redeeming value given. At least the woman cut the bullshit and went straight to her true colours. No matter how despicable.
oof, I made a comment in that direction, but wow 82% is insane. This shows how much this message of making palestinians sub humans and responsible for everything can do to an entire generation, nothing to say about a whole population when done over decades
A lot of americans probably wanted a lot of Irakis and other middle easterns people to die after 9/11. This behaviour is nothing new but from what I saw each time it is push by government or similar place of power to further an ideology to them vs us. It is always to make things black and white, you are with us or against us, they are the bad guys we are the good ones, and so one until you can just say "they are not humans, if they were x y z wouldn't have happened, ..."
And just to make clear, what is happening is the fruit of decades of manipulation from Israel, and I guess the percentage of people thinking like that only increased over time, until it reach a point where it is socially acceptable to say this in a public space. I also so teenagers and kids saying "I hope you die" to other Palestinian their ages ... this is propaganda working as intended, parents and society around them is what enable this kind of behaviour
The fact that this kind of rhetoric in Israel is normalised to the point, where someone can just spout shit like that on national television like it's just another Tuesday, should be a stark reminder to everyone everywhere that hate speech needs to be fought tooth and nail, and that it NEEDS to have consequences.
It has nothing to do with being Jewish. Israel, like the US, has a currently-powerful contingent of horrible people who want to commit genocide mainly to take land for self-enrichment purposes. Some of their support comes from religious fanaticism mostly likely, but, ultimately this is the will of arbitrary people who are horrible people, not "jews" as a group. Be more careful how you choose to express this concern.
Yeah, everyone with even a shred of common sense understands the difference between Jews and Zionists. The fact that there's a complete lack of anyone going after the Jews in the comments exemplifies that. I've no idea what the point of your comment is.
As someone who was raised Jewish and went to Hebrew school, I cannot not reconcile that a people who suffered the Holocaust can turn around and do the exact same thing to another people. My brain cannot make it make sense.
They literally more or less admitted this by the way. The vast majority of the death and destruction was caused by Israeli airstrikes under their "Hannibal Doctrine".
Yeah I don't think Bibi gave the order, but it's the cyclist sticking the stick through the tyre meme, he keeps shooting himself in the foot and asking how this could keep happening. He sets himself up for antagonisation.
Hamas meant no two state solution, No Hamas meant worldwide support for a two state solution so yea fits Bibi's plan as his party is very against two state.
Not defending Israel, they're awful, but didn't any of you notice how he said "Jewish journalist" instead of Israeli or Zionist? And then he followed that with a sweeping declaration calling for the death of all Jews. You catch those obvious antisemitic fog horns?
You shitheads upvoting this bigoted filth need to be more discerning. In case there's any ambiguity, this is what you're upvoting.
English is always more a set of suggestions than hard rules, anyways. And if I want to decide israel is not a fucking proper noun because it's such a shit-stain of a nation that it doesn't deserve to exist then I'll un-proper-noun that bitch.
Because fascists genuinely see the underclass as subhuman. These fucks justify killing children in their own heads by convincing themselves they're putting down animals.
IF Israel used their women and children as human shields everyone would have a fit. Did y'all not see the videos of what the Palestinians did at that music fest? If it had happened to my child I would be way more mean than the Jewish people have been. Give me a break.
What if someone kills 15000 ppl, fathers, mothers, children.. while also drives 900000 away from their homes where their families have lived for centuries. Just because of their ethnicity.. do you think they're the good guys? That is what "plan Dalet" did. It was written by the same ppl that proposed military alliance with Hitler in 1941.. still the good guys? Then they do the same stuff for 75 years.. and still the good guys? Oh.. they also have been using women and children as human shield
for all of that 75 years while killing and stealing generational land and homes from local ppl. And theppl used as human shields have also been local population they have captured. But sure when ppl get pissed off at the european and american born invaders who call themselves "Israelis" and lash out.. they are "terrorists".
Yitzak Shamir was a goddamn Polish Jew born in Bialystok and he wanted to ally with Hitler in 1941... He KNEW what was going on...
Ah, because a few did something, that means everyone who remotely identifies similarly deserves death, including innocent children. Where have I heard such a concept before ... ?
Hey loser! First off: Isntreal has been oppressing and murdering Palestinians for decades, with zero accountability. The music festival attack was in no way firing the first shots - and it was tiny compared to the vast number of deaths that Isntreal has caused over the years. Second: Isntreal's response to the attacks is, again, completely out of proportion as it is the systematic murder and ethnic cleansing of an entire country. There is no justification for it, zero justice here, just murder.
What would you suggest "winner" That they wait till just the right time when THEY are having a music fest and hang glide in and tit for tat give them a taste of their own medicine? That sounds great . Maybe it can go on for another 2000 yrs ... great idea
Ok good one . Yes im 200 yrs old and personally responsible for the civil war. Quit framing everyone that disagrees with a point that youve made as a Maga SUPPORTING snuff dipping idiot . I didnt vote for trump, and I think the 2 party system is dividing our country. BUT since your so inteligent and enlightened please tell me one thing good those people think about America or our way of life. If the shoe were on the other foot those people would be dancing in the streets...even the children
Ive been on imgur for years DB,and im not some maga HATE filled political a hole. Im just saying the Palestenian people treat their women like shit they preach hate for america and they suck.
No one is talking about maga. We're talking about you shilling for an evil government committing genocide. And you're doing it with an account that is only a year old and only has 3 (now 4) comments. If you actually have been here for years, come back with your main account, you pathetic little coward.
Typing pathetic little coward doesnt change that im right . The people you a defending dont give a shit about America. Oh and war isnt pretty. Baby rats dont grow up to be bunnies .
Then use your main account instead of this year old alt account with a hand full of comments. Stop blaming civilians on the sins of the government. Unlike you who bases all your opinions on baseless assumptions, I actually realize both Hamas and Israel are evil. The civilians are not and do not deserve this hell that they are being put through. Stop falling for the worlds dumbest propaganda.
Dont bother responding with this account. I wont read your replies until you use your main account.
I hope that their God exists, and that he judges them for all of this. Their faith teaches them to be better than this, yet instead they use it as an excuse to be the most abhorrent they possibly can be. Their sins are extensive.
He slept through the Jewish Holocaust part 1. I doubt he's been paying any *more attention* to parts 2 through 19, especially now that a large contingent of "the Chosen People" are the perpetrators rather than the victims.
"Gods will" somehow is always interpreted by some fuckshit, who coincidentally finds out, that his world view is the same as Gods. Seems legit. A unfathomable being, that created the universe, is totally interested in our world politics.
Well given that Zionism was founded by an avowed atheist, that was never on their list of worries to begin with. Zionism is completely antithetical to Judaism when you think about it especially given that they were exiled from the land for not doing as God had commanded to begin with. Rabbi Yisroel Weiss does a great job breaking it down and explaining how in both scriptural and rabbinic texts, Judaism fundamentally opposes Zionism but God and judgment aren’t two things on their list of worries.
But that Rabbi sure the hell is. Poor dudes suffered physical abuse at the hands of Zionist Jews just because he doesn’t believe they should be or are “superior” in any way and gives others a voice.
I don't know about the God of the Bible, but a decent God who cared about human suffering would either prevent people from becoming evil in the first place, or prevent evil people from causing suffering to others.
You assume it is a decent God. And not a sink or swim kind of God. One that gives the ability to do something, but offer no support to do it. Like a parent who throws their child into the deep end of a pool and expect them to work out how to swim on their own.
Except if that God were all knowing, and the one who set everything in motion, then he would not only know if we end up sinking or swimming, but he would be the cause of us sinking or swimming. By creating us the way we are he would determine our choice.
Even if they know how we will act, we do not. We still make the choice, and that's the important part. In much the same way, parents sometimes have to deal with their child. You tell them not to do something even though you know they are going to do it.
Dershowitz isn't a nobody--he's highly respected for his legal expertise and still called upon. I think he's a shadow of his former self and has debased himself with all sorts of far fetched legal twists that have other experts denouncing him. But he was Epstein's lawyer and Trump's lawyer. He may be useful, but there's much doubt on his trustworthiness. Schumer has really screwed up so badly on so much. He has not been a leader. His time should be up!
There's a lot of variation in beliefs about what happens in the mean time but the end result is usually a resurrection of the body once the Messiah is crowned.
Catholics have kept a version of this with their reverse-rapture. Since Jesus didn't actually do any of the prophesied Messiah stuff in his life he's eventually going to come back and do that and everyone will return to life then for the events of Revelation.
Hes also very big on the rules, and this violates dozens of them, plus arguably the biggest of the bunch which was that this whole jewish exile thing is meant to be a punishment from god for their disobedience and unworthyness. They are meant to return only when the end times are upon us and that time is to quote scripture "Known to god alone".
They are essentially throwing a party while their parents are away after being explicitly told no partying. Only their parent in this context likes 1/
To burn entire cities to the ground, flood entire continents, exterminate entire generations and many other horrific things as punishment for disobeying him.
So yeah, I echo what Targe said, I would love to be there to see gods face when the Jews try to explain to him that they ignored his rules, disregarded his judgement and slaughtered an innocent people in the process.
Somehow I dont think they'll be getting a third chance. 2
“Murder is ok when I tell you to do it, it's not ok when you do it on your own” ~God Which is much the same way that murder is totally legal when the Government makes you their solider and orders you to kill. But if you just go out and kill on your own, it's a crime.
God explicitly told them to not kill people. Didn't even use complex wording like some of the other sins. It's literally “Thy shall not kill” and yet all 3 Abrahamic faiths have found ways to justify killing people. Even though its one of the few bits of scripture they agree on.
God says "thou shalt not kill", and then immediately orders his followers to go commit multiple genocides.
You can cherry-pick verses to support nearly anything.
There are no good moral concepts in the bible that are original or exclusive to it, and most religious people don't actually know or care what their scripture says. They'll ignore or creatively reinterpret the parts they don't like, while focusing on a few out-of-context verses that confirm their biases.
The longest paper I ever wrote in college was regarding how religions justify violence. During my research, I found exactly one (1) that had not justified the use of violence in some way, Jainism. Interestingly, I also found that having a central holy text, the Bible, had a high correlation with greater religious violence.
There could be some survivorship bias there. In that the religions that don't do that, are displaced by the ones that did. So it might not be that all religions justify violence, it might be more accurate that the ones that do are more likely to wipe out the ones that don't. As, a fight between a pacifist and a warmonger is likely to not go the in the pacifists favour.
So it's just divine command theory, or might-makes-right, and morality has nothing to do with it.
God is bigger and stronger than me, so whatever he says goes, even if anyone can recognize that it's evil.
Murder a woman for being raped, execute people for working on the wrong day, commit genocide to steal land and keep children as sex slaves, it's all just fine because God says so.
Which is different because they were instructed to do so. The sin is killing when God has not commanded it. Because the faiths make it quite clear that you don't go against what god tells you when they tell you it directly. It doesn't tend to end well for the people who do.
Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. All murders are killings but not all murders are killings
Dehumanizing your enemy is a very common thing amongst all groups that fight I remember hearing some very serious slurs from people who served in our military against people in the Middle East it's way of detaching yourself from the horrible things you've done or plan to do
That's just dehumanisation. That happens in any conflict that goes on too long. And the Gaza conflict has been on and off for 70 years. You will struggle to find anyone in a conflict that has gone that long that doesn't consider the other side lesser than them, because doing that helps people kill each other. Militaries used to intentionally make their troops see their enemy as less than human. It's just a war thing.
RigidGristle
Terpomo11
Horrifying. I hope that some day there can be real peace in Palestine but that's a hope that seems further away every day.
BizzareHopkins
Apathy is a scourge onto mankind.
Freyja33
archon325
There are good jews and the bad ones think this way because of propaganda/indoctrination, but once a majority of your people start being in favor of killing kids, well eventually you must be the one responsible for what you believe, say and do. Of all people in history they ought to know better.
DocFunkenstein
"No, it's just a couple people in the government, the majority of Israeli's don't think that!"
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itsthevoiceman
...and?
Khanamana324
Zionists are sadistic scum and I hope they experience even a modicum of the suffering they gleefully revel in.
CuppaJeaux
If I remember correctly, Judaism doesn’t believe in a Hell, and that’s a damned shame.
fnordy
"Schindler's List? Yeah. Well, I mean, the first 20 minutes. I got an urgent call and had to cut out early. Why, what did I miss?"
nation543
"Evil is the absence of empathy."
wadeye
Exhibit A:
AwwYEE
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWE1NzM3M2U1bHMwYXZnODd3Y3pkOXl0cWR3bGcxdnZtMWd6MWM0MzF2ZnFqOHRqcyZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n/lNrNLRLmpC3VIjl82D/200w.webp
pareidoliaperson
Yeah fuck off with that "oh we have an excuse to be worst of the worst scum of the earth bc of a trauma!". *This* shit *IS* the propaganda. This deep analytical talk for themselves while "terrorism" or "Arab" it's just full on hatred and demonisation with no redeeming value given. At least the woman cut the bullshit and went straight to her true colours. No matter how despicable.
4Astaroth
The question should be "Why do you hate?".
Bigblackdick69
wadeye
Exhibit B:
Thojira
oof, I made a comment in that direction, but wow 82% is insane. This shows how much this message of making palestinians sub humans and responsible for everything can do to an entire generation, nothing to say about a whole population when done over decades
orp0piru
misterCT
I mean is this breaking news at this point? Zionism is a cult
GermanGuy79
How old is this guy? He only knows Netanyahu's propaganda from the last 30 years. After all, he grew up with it.
Thojira
A lot of americans probably wanted a lot of Irakis and other middle easterns people to die after 9/11. This behaviour is nothing new but from what I saw each time it is push by government or similar place of power to further an ideology to them vs us. It is always to make things black and white, you are with us or against us, they are the bad guys we are the good ones, and so one until you can just say "they are not humans, if they were x y z wouldn't have happened, ..."
Thojira
And just to make clear, what is happening is the fruit of decades of manipulation from Israel, and I guess the percentage of people thinking like that only increased over time, until it reach a point where it is socially acceptable to say this in a public space. I also so teenagers and kids saying "I hope you die" to other Palestinian their ages ... this is propaganda working as intended, parents and society around them is what enable this kind of behaviour
Cataleast
The fact that this kind of rhetoric in Israel is normalised to the point, where someone can just spout shit like that on national television like it's just another Tuesday, should be a stark reminder to everyone everywhere that hate speech needs to be fought tooth and nail, and that it NEEDS to have consequences.
xsculder
religion will be the death of our species
anononanonanona
It has nothing to do with being Jewish. Israel, like the US, has a currently-powerful contingent of horrible people who want to commit genocide mainly to take land for self-enrichment purposes. Some of their support comes from religious fanaticism mostly likely, but, ultimately this is the will of arbitrary people who are horrible people, not "jews" as a group. Be more careful how you choose to express this concern.
Cataleast
Yeah, everyone with even a shred of common sense understands the difference between Jews and Zionists. The fact that there's a complete lack of anyone going after the Jews in the comments exemplifies that. I've no idea what the point of your comment is.
MrsHowVeryDareYou
As someone who was raised Jewish and went to Hebrew school, I cannot not reconcile that a people who suffered the Holocaust can turn around and do the exact same thing to another people. My brain cannot make it make sense.
quade
These people are proof that there is no Jehovah, God, or Allah.
dedpan
Or that there is and he's exactly who the Tanakh says he is
frankmanhattan
The what?
LuminoZero
Why blame God for what people do?
Like, you wanna blame God for Earthquakes and shit? OK, go nuts. Humans killing other humans? That's on us.
eathotdog
God tells them its justified
KingdomsCrown
Because technically God created us in his image so you could argue God created us to kill eachother.
LuminoZero
So do you credit God for all the good people do as well? Or just the bad stuff to promote your own beliefs?
Rael77
The 10/7 "attack" was an inside job. Bibi was behind it all.
Freyja33
They literally more or less admitted this by the way. The vast majority of the death and destruction was caused by Israeli airstrikes under their "Hannibal Doctrine".
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Techhead7890
Yeah I don't think Bibi gave the order, but it's the cyclist sticking the stick through the tyre meme, he keeps shooting himself in the foot and asking how this could keep happening. He sets himself up for antagonisation.
WireWynaut
Yep. Hamas was an Israeli weapon, bought and paid for, that Netanyahu sacrificed his own civilians to.
Filanwizard
Hamas meant no two state solution, No Hamas meant worldwide support for a two state solution so yea fits Bibi's plan as his party is very against two state.
walnutbreath
Not defending Israel, they're awful, but didn't any of you notice how he said "Jewish journalist" instead of Israeli or Zionist? And then he followed that with a sweeping declaration calling for the death of all Jews. You catch those obvious antisemitic fog horns?

You shitheads upvoting this bigoted filth need to be more discerning. In case there's any ambiguity, this is what you're upvoting.
walnutbreath
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RaxianTheta
Once again and I cannot say this enough. As a JEW. fuck israel , no capital letters for nazi mf's
Terpomo11
Capital letters aren't a sign of respect, they just indicate a proper noun.
AreYouABadPerson
israel doesn't get to be a proper noun. Fuck 'em.
Terpomo11
I... don't think that's how grammar works. Let alone decapitalizing it at the beginning of a sentence.
AreYouABadPerson
English is always more a set of suggestions than hard rules, anyways. And if I want to decide israel is not a fucking proper noun because it's such a shit-stain of a nation that it doesn't deserve to exist then I'll un-proper-noun that bitch.
Grimlinnan
ShadeMeadowsArt
FOR WHAT REASON???
doctorId
Because fascists genuinely see the underclass as subhuman. These fucks justify killing children in their own heads by convincing themselves they're putting down animals.
Oncorlaydown
IF Israel used their women and children as human shields everyone would have a fit. Did y'all not see the videos of what the Palestinians did at that music fest? If it had happened to my child I would be way more mean than the Jewish people have been. Give me a break.
usernameusedinlessplatforms2
What if someone kills 15000 ppl, fathers, mothers, children.. while also drives 900000 away from their homes where their families have lived for centuries. Just because of their ethnicity.. do you think they're the good guys?
That is what "plan Dalet" did. It was written by the same ppl that proposed military alliance with Hitler in 1941.. still the good guys?
Then they do the same stuff for 75 years.. and still the good guys?
Oh.. they also have been using women and children as human shield
usernameusedinlessplatforms2
for all of that 75 years while killing and stealing generational land and homes from local ppl. And theppl used as human shields have also been local population they have captured.
But sure when ppl get pissed off at the european and american born invaders who call themselves "Israelis" and lash out.. they are "terrorists".
Yitzak Shamir was a goddamn Polish Jew born in Bialystok and he wanted to ally with Hitler in 1941... He KNEW what was going on...
itsthevoiceman
Ah, because a few did something, that means everyone who remotely identifies similarly deserves death, including innocent children. Where have I heard such a concept before ... ?
worm61
Israel had literally done exactly that.
hufflesnuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FCcDEA6mY&t=3s
truthputer
Hey loser! First off: Isntreal has been oppressing and murdering Palestinians for decades, with zero accountability. The music festival attack was in no way firing the first shots - and it was tiny compared to the vast number of deaths that Isntreal has caused over the years. Second: Isntreal's response to the attacks is, again, completely out of proportion as it is the systematic murder and ethnic cleansing of an entire country. There is no justification for it, zero justice here, just murder.
Oncorlaydown
What would you suggest "winner" That they wait till just the right time when THEY are having a music fest and hang glide in and tit for tat give them a taste of their own medicine? That sounds great . Maybe it can go on for another 2000 yrs ... great idea
hufflesnuff
"Y'all" probably ought to consider apologizing for the Confederacy before you go out supporting new genocides.
Oncorlaydown
Ok good one . Yes im 200 yrs old and personally responsible for the civil war. Quit framing everyone that disagrees with a point that youve made as a Maga SUPPORTING snuff dipping idiot . I didnt vote for trump, and I think the 2 party system is dividing our country. BUT since your so inteligent and enlightened please tell me one thing good those people think about America or our way of life. If the shoe were on the other foot those people would be dancing in the streets...even the children
hufflesnuff
Being pro genocide is not a disagreement. It's just evil.
Don't forget what your Good Book says, Southern Man.
IGotMyDreamJobProgrammingGames
you're a brand new account with 3 comments and this was your first in 5 months. Classic puppet account made to shill for Israel. Pathetic
Oncorlaydown
Ive been on imgur for years DB,and im not some maga HATE filled political a hole. Im just saying the Palestenian people treat their women like shit they preach hate for america and they suck.
IGotMyDreamJobProgrammingGames
No one is talking about maga. We're talking about you shilling for an evil government committing genocide. And you're doing it with an account that is only a year old and only has 3 (now 4) comments. If you actually have been here for years, come back with your main account, you pathetic little coward.
Oncorlaydown
Typing pathetic little coward doesnt change that im right . The people you a defending dont give a shit about America. Oh and war isnt pretty. Baby rats dont grow up to be bunnies .
IGotMyDreamJobProgrammingGames
Then use your main account instead of this year old alt account with a hand full of comments. Stop blaming civilians on the sins of the government. Unlike you who bases all your opinions on baseless assumptions, I actually realize both Hamas and Israel are evil. The civilians are not and do not deserve this hell that they are being put through.
Stop falling for the worlds dumbest propaganda.
Dont bother responding with this account. I wont read your replies until you use your main account.
Targe0
I hope that their God exists, and that he judges them for all of this.
Their faith teaches them to be better than this, yet instead they use it as an excuse to be the most abhorrent they possibly can be.
Their sins are extensive.
datphone777365
Ehh the abrahamist mythhead is a blood thirsty rapist slaver so dont expect any clutched pearls from that tooth fairy...

Necrothean
He slept through the Jewish Holocaust part 1. I doubt he's been paying any *more attention* to parts 2 through 19, especially now that a large contingent of "the Chosen People" are the perpetrators rather than the victims.
RigidGristle
encrypteddecryption
It's not *their* faith, as in the faith of all Jews, any more than suicide bombers and roadside IEDs are the faith of all Muslims.
StrokeFlavoured
"Gods will" somehow is always interpreted by some fuckshit, who coincidentally finds out, that his world view is the same as Gods.
Seems legit. A unfathomable being, that created the universe, is totally interested in our world politics.
homoerection
Their god is a genocidal ego maniac.
Targe0
Most gods are
SursieMetzger
Well given that Zionism was founded by an avowed atheist, that was never on their list of worries to begin with. Zionism is completely antithetical to Judaism when you think about it especially given that they were exiled from the land for not doing as God had commanded to begin with. Rabbi Yisroel Weiss does a great job breaking it down and explaining how in both scriptural and rabbinic texts, Judaism fundamentally opposes Zionism but God and judgment aren’t two things on their list of worries.
SursieMetzger
But that Rabbi sure the hell is. Poor dudes suffered physical abuse at the hands of Zionist Jews just because he doesn’t believe they should be or are “superior” in any way and gives others a voice.
zHurk777
Um, if their god exists, then they are the "chosen people", so everything they do is according to their god's will.
Targe0
Only if they follow the rules, otherwise they will end up with the rest of the Sinners.
vallejoattorney15
Collective narcissistic delusions
tgiaa
New name for organised religion just dropped.
archon325
I don't know about the God of the Bible, but a decent God who cared about human suffering would either prevent people from becoming evil in the first place, or prevent evil people from causing suffering to others.
Targe0
You assume it is a decent God.
And not a sink or swim kind of God.
One that gives the ability to do something, but offer no support to do it.
Like a parent who throws their child into the deep end of a pool and expect them to work out how to swim on their own.
archon325
Except if that God were all knowing, and the one who set everything in motion, then he would not only know if we end up sinking or swimming, but he would be the cause of us sinking or swimming. By creating us the way we are he would determine our choice.
Targe0
Even if they know how we will act, we do not.
We still make the choice, and that's the important part.
In much the same way, parents sometimes have to deal with their child. You tell them not to do something even though you know they are going to do it.
cytherians
Alan Dershowitz and Chuck Schumer unequivocally support Israel. This stuff coming out doesn't deter them, which speaks volumes.
IamMadeOfShamrocks
Dershowitz is a disgraced pedo-friendly nobody. Schumer is the leader of the Democratic party. He HAS to go. They need to rebuild.
cytherians
Dershowitz isn't a nobody--he's highly respected for his legal expertise and still called upon. I think he's a shadow of his former self and has debased himself with all sorts of far fetched legal twists that have other experts denouncing him. But he was Epstein's lawyer and Trump's lawyer. He may be useful, but there's much doubt on his trustworthiness.
Schumer has really screwed up so badly on so much. He has not been a leader. His time should be up!
IamMadeOfShamrocks
Yea you're right. I just wish he was a nobody.
cytherians
You're telling me! I wish all of these people would become nobodies... and only "somebodies" in a maximum security prison.
garbuhj
Judaism doesn't believe in an afterlife
Terpomo11
They believe in a general notion of "the world to come" but the specifics are not very solidly fixed in doctrine.
Targe0
They still believe in the word of god.
And they are going against it.
It is part of the Moses story, which Judaism very much does believe in.
PresldentClef
why would they enter a covenant with god if there wasn't an afterlife?
garbuhj
I just did some googling and it seems i was misinformed. It appears that Jews do believe in an afterlife, but that a
garbuhj
i websearched it and it appears i was misinformed. Apparently Jews do believe in an afterlife, but
there's nothing known about it
Hevach
There's a lot of variation in beliefs about what happens in the mean time but the end result is usually a resurrection of the body once the Messiah is crowned.
Catholics have kept a version of this with their reverse-rapture. Since Jesus didn't actually do any of the prophesied Messiah stuff in his life he's eventually going to come back and do that and everyone will return to life then for the events of Revelation.
InfocalypseRising
To be fair Old Testament God is kind of a massive shitheel and might be totally cool with all of it
FrancsTireur
Hes also very big on the rules, and this violates dozens of them, plus arguably the biggest of the bunch which was that this whole jewish exile thing is meant to be a punishment from god for their disobedience and unworthyness. They are meant to return only when the end times are upon us and that time is to quote scripture "Known to god alone".
They are essentially throwing a party while their parents are away after being explicitly told no partying. Only their parent in this context likes 1/
FrancsTireur
To burn entire cities to the ground, flood entire continents, exterminate entire generations and many other horrific things as punishment for disobeying him.
So yeah, I echo what Targe said, I would love to be there to see gods face when the Jews try to explain to him that they ignored his rules, disregarded his judgement and slaughtered an innocent people in the process.
Somehow I dont think they'll be getting a third chance. 2
ToSisPoS
G_d is like an abusive spouse that blames you for his actions.
chewmaca2
He is definitely a rules for thee none for me, kinda god.
abrazenfool
Murder - wrong
Smite - just fine
Targe0
“Murder is ok when I tell you to do it, it's not ok when you do it on your own” ~God
Which is much the same way that murder is totally legal when the Government makes you their solider and orders you to kill.
But if you just go out and kill on your own, it's a crime.
chewmaca2
Right, and when your government tells you to go to war in the name of god, it's even more kosher with both.
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Targe0
God explicitly told them to not kill people.
Didn't even use complex wording like some of the other sins.
It's literally “Thy shall not kill” and yet all 3 Abrahamic faiths have found ways to justify killing people.
Even though its one of the few bits of scripture they agree on.
foreverinchains
God says "thou shalt not kill", and then immediately orders his followers to go commit multiple genocides.
You can cherry-pick verses to support nearly anything.
There are no good moral concepts in the bible that are original or exclusive to it, and most religious people don't actually know or care what their scripture says. They'll ignore or creatively reinterpret the parts they don't like, while focusing on a few out-of-context verses that confirm their biases.
xcelita
And then god told Joseph to destroy all the people in Jericho. Jewish god is incredibly violent in some passages
ArchMagos
The longest paper I ever wrote in college was regarding how religions justify violence. During my research, I found exactly one (1) that had not justified the use of violence in some way, Jainism. Interestingly, I also found that having a central holy text, the Bible, had a high correlation with greater religious violence.
Targe0
There could be some survivorship bias there.
In that the religions that don't do that, are displaced by the ones that did.
So it might not be that all religions justify violence, it might be more accurate that the ones that do are more likely to wipe out the ones that don't.
As, a fight between a pacifist and a warmonger is likely to not go the in the pacifists favour.
indyliberal
I don’t think you’ve read the Bible..
In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church.
Kill Followers of Other Religions. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB) and (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
Death for Blasphemy.
(Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)
Death to those who work on the Sabbath.
(Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)
Kill Children for taunting a bald priest
(2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
More Rape and Baby Killing
(Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
Targe0
And killing because God Directly commanded it, is a very different thing to killing people because you want their land.
foreverinchains
So it's just divine command theory, or might-makes-right, and morality has nothing to do with it.
God is bigger and stronger than me, so whatever he says goes, even if anyone can recognize that it's evil.
Murder a woman for being raped, execute people for working on the wrong day, commit genocide to steal land and keep children as sex slaves, it's all just fine because God says so.
It's fucking gross.
Religion is poison.
ThanosDei
Then their god literally told Elijah to kill the prophets of baal, so…
Targe0
Which is different because they were instructed to do so.
The sin is killing when God has not commanded it.
Because the faiths make it quite clear that you don't go against what god tells you when they tell you it directly. It doesn't tend to end well for the people who do.
Lynkfox
And that's the double think. Because they just claim it's God's will to kill whomever. It always has been this way.
The Bible has always been used as a tool to manipulate people and attack those who are hated, disliked, or feared by those in charge.
NairouTryyshokk
Not so different. They will still use the excuse that god wills it.
allenvasher3000
Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. All murders are killings but not all murders are killings
Swedishbouldering
Ever notice how israeli people often refer to non Jewish people as animals? That's the loophole. Can't murder if it's an animal you are killing
allenvasher3000
Dehumanizing your enemy is a very common thing amongst all groups that fight I remember hearing some very serious slurs from people who served in our military against people in the Middle East it's way of detaching yourself from the horrible things you've done or plan to do
Targe0
That's just dehumanisation.
That happens in any conflict that goes on too long.
And the Gaza conflict has been on and off for 70 years.
You will struggle to find anyone in a conflict that has gone that long that doesn't consider the other side lesser than them, because doing that helps people kill each other. Militaries used to intentionally make their troops see their enemy as less than human. It's just a war thing.