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CodeineOlajuwon
Insufferable.
BallsToYouSirAndOrMadam
All profit is theft, comrade.
NamelessAndrew
So... he tipped the waiter as a gift but refused to give money to public services which include healthcare and preventing starvation.
denigreur
We're still listening people who wanks while reading ayn rand ?
jmulderr
You do realize that waitstaff just pretends to care about your political views to get better tips, right?
sarkastic
You do realize it's just a joke on the internet, right?
GeekAlert
I read that as 'librarian'. Imagine how confused I was.
DarkBluePhoenix
I thought it said the same thing...
Asteroidrules
You have a really weird definition of 'theft' if you expect thieves to build roads, run schools, and provide EMS and fire protection.
Exoticz
Give me your definition of theft, and I'll tell you how taxation is exactly that.
AbyssusPuella
I worked at Sonic Dtive-in and they could get away with paying use UNDER minimum wage has a carhop cause we "made tips", always pocket cash
barnwolf
They can't do that in Washington state, local minimum wage laws FTW.
humaneffigy
I'm still siding with Mr. Pink.
5po0ky
Great scene
XBOXBing
Hey, I grew up in Joplin
squatchwatch
I'm from Joplin, MO!
bummerbeth
I'm not but I've been there to visit a good friend. Nice place.
thequicksilver
Pittsburg, KS represent. Hello neighbor.
Grieger
Jeebus...if they don't like taxes, they could always leave and find a country that doesn't collect any...
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
if you don't like school shootings, just move to a country without them! that is a deadshit argument mate.
Grieger
So, a mechanism to fund police, welfare and other services is the same as murder?
Exoticz
"If you don't like thr mafia, you're free to lrave your house and family to go live somrwhere else"
kittenskittenskittens
I'd rather pay higher taxes to fund education and healthcare so that you don't wind up surround by dumb and sick people.
pegesue
You mean you aren't already? Where do you live? I want to move there!
kittenskittenskittens
Canada.
pegesue
In that case, I'll just wait until Trump orders the invasion.
ReverseTrapTsukasa
Depending on the restaurant and how their tip system works, some places split the tip with the kitchen, busing, and janitorial staff.
ReverseTrapTsukasa
Also, I'm generally certain there are laws/codes that catch this type of "gift" as something that requires recording and taxation.
dangersan
The real loser is whoever had to have dinner with that person.
5po0ky
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
to be fair, there are lots of kinds of people i would want to have dinner with less. at least i can sort of see where they are coming from
youlovemeyouhateme
I always tip in cash. I already paid taxes on that money so I have no issues with a server pocketing it.
altrdgenetics
As I think all purchases should be as well, first sale doctrine should apply to sales tax also. After initial sale, tax on item is rendered
LizardEnterprises
That's not how taxes work. If we stopped charging tax on money that someone else had already paid taxes on, literally no one would pay taxes
heyjohnnyjohnny
Yeah man! Fuck new bridges, firefighters, cops, USDA regulations, FAA, the military and anything else we are needlessly taxed for.
DarkBluePhoenix
If taxation is theft, perhaps we should bar libertarians from using any public services or roads, cause they're built with "stolen" money...
Exoticz
They're built with the libertarian's stolen money, why can't he use the services then?
sumowoman
They can stop paying taxes if they remove themselves from the tax-funded infra, security and well-being. No one will miss them.
Exoticz
But then it is still theft. Civilization belongs to the civilized, I should not have to move away from my community if I don't want to.. 1/2
Exoticz
be stolen from. Would you be okay if I move all my stuff into your house and start living in your house as if it's mine, literally 2/?
Exoticz
stealing your house and property, and when you tell me to leave, I'll just tell you that I'm not stealing from you, because you can move 2/4
gcHatMan10
Was literally told by my boss once to not report cash tips. Everyone in service already knows this.
Ethus
Good luck stealing a street or firetruck when you need one then.
Crazyname
The US had roads and firebrigades before Federal income taxes.
ZippyYeti
Yep...especially when your volunteer firefighters do it for money.
rezpawner
In the early days, firebrigades were a service offered by insurance companies, not the government.
SjorsM
And people basically got free insurance because their neighbor had it and fire doesn't stick to one house, but actually spreads.
starrychloe
Private streets exist. Private firetrucks exist.
themissingventure
I'm down for a daring daylight firehouse heist.
Thule
Muh roads! Roads didn't exist until there were central planning...
NSAgent
Wrong. Libertarians don't actually tip.
TylerTheAnarchist
I'm libertarian and I never tip less than %20 even with shitty service.
justanotherpeon
Yes we do. I love to reward great service.
ready2die666
how do you define great service? sometimes a restaurant is slammed, and a server doesn't have time to go out of their way for you
NSAgent
That's just the invisible hand of the market.
ready2die666
i don't get that? a restaurant being busy = high sales for the owner, yet low yield for server (gets paid $2.13/hour even w high sales)cont
ready2die666
bc their pay is based off tips. if customers came during a rush and didn't receive "great" service bc of how busy server was, cont
LewdSomnambulist
Gifts can still be taxable if they sum to more than $14,000 per year! I'm great at parties.
mitchconnor
Taxable to the gift giver, not the recipient.
DigitalBang
You have a lifetime exemption of 5.4 million as well.
NunoSP
This american tipping bullshit is ridiculous.
totallyrealname
Every time it gets brought up I am legit shocked by how much people get screwed by their employers over there. Crazy.
CyborgScribe
I'm assuming you're from a place without a tipping culture?
Alegrispa
Ever heard of a little place called EUROPE?
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
what, you mean a civilised country? i cant wrap my head around that a portion of your wage depends on peoples moods.
SanSilv
Do you even know how the system works are you jusy going to let the stupid keep falling out?
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
i'm not sure what you are trying to say. what exactly did i say that is stupid?
stefanreckson
Nothing ur rite N the sense that it can depend on their mood, but 4 most part people tip 18-20% regardless, unless the server is 2 blame 1/?
koldfusion
Tipping should never exist. Business owners should pay decent wage to begin with.
TheCouldHaveBeenKing
most civilised country's don't use the tipping system
JaxAndHisLampPost
Most servers would prefer to receive tips. My sister makes 60k/yr as a server mostly "tax free". The median income is 54k.
ellert0
Even if it's efficient it's not right for people to have to beg while working full time. Pity money doesn't feel good to receive.
JaxAndHisLampPost
Well if that's your mindset. Everyone "begs" for money. Sales is basically begging your customers.
ellert0
You're talking about exchanging currency for goods and services, services are included in the bill for the meal, anything extra is alms.
TylerTheAnarchist
My brother is making 80K at a Sushi restaurant, but is technically minimum wage. I'm sure he doesn't care about getting an hourly wage.
drasparagus
Some restaurants tax servers' income based on their sales with the expectation of at least 10% gratuity...really sucks when you get stiffed.
pineapplepuppy
15% is basic in my restaurant in Florida. Whether I claim it or not, automatic tipping of bussers and bartenders is based on that too.
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mosesfunk
While I disagree with the whine about servers making so little (because in reality they can make a ton!) many restaurants do this.
ZacMuerte
This is how tip share is decided where I work. You pay 4% of your sales out of pocket to tip the other staff.
MoreLikeLawlSchool
I agree that it sucks. I lived on tips for years, but it's the IRS that requires a minimum 8% reported to them. That number can be larger
MoreLikeLawlSchool
Based on individual rate agreements that they file with the IRS based on their accounting software and tax filings.
Riptide00
No, it's Congress that writes the tax law. If it's broken, blame your Congressman. Blaming the IRS is what Congress hopes you do.
MoreLikeLawlSchool
Congress writes the tax law but the IRS handles the regulations and things like withholding rate agreements for individual restaurants
mritty
Pedantic, but: restaurants don't tax servers. They *withhold* taxes from their paychecks, and report to the gov't the amt they withheld.
catsaregroundowls
1/2 Honestly this whole thread is little whiny. I always tip 20%, but I'm a teacher and I pay for supplies, get about 40% of my paycheck
catsaregroundowls
2/2 held for taxes, and have several teacher friends who are bartenders/waiters instead of teaching because they make more money.
catsaregroundowls
So be as pendantic as you want.
leftyshuckles
Shallow, and pedantic?
FatThor89
Peter griffin
leftyshuckles
denbabbe
Is that legal?
yodadude
My province, Ontario, Just passed laws protecting tips from employers.
Hellstorm99
Used to bartend at a casino, we were taxed on assumed tips. We had to log what we made each night to contest taxes amount at end of year.
Mavgurian
Regretfully there is now a high import duty on steel, so I cannot easily send you the needed pitchforks.
Hellstorm99
+1 for creativity, but... what?
Mavgurian
All a bit vague still http://www.politico.eu/article/trump-plans-executive-order-on-steel-imports/
Hellstorm99
Ah, I can see both good and bad from this. Tough call, not sure I can comment on this yet.
KbrAtx
They paid credit then "tipped" cash. This was not a stiff. They disclaimered the cash as a gift to avoid the server being taxed on it.
bringbakfirefly
I tip, but I don't consider it stiffing. It is not my responsibility to pay their salary. I'm a worker, not an owner.
mosesfunk
Do you tell them up front you won't be tipping?
bringbakfirefly
Did you skip over the whole first two words of the sentence I wrote?
mosesfunk
I guess I did. My bad.
RockTheCatBox
It does suck when you get stiffed, but where I work, I usually make about 30% tips avg. -- def makes up for the shitty tips, or lack of.
altonbrowndeserveshisownmemefuckyouifyoudisagree
Unless it's over $14,000, u idiot. 55% gift tax, sucker❗️！！
SplashesinPuddles
How did you make that red exclamation point?
altonbrowndeserveshisownmemefuckyouifyoudisagree
Japanese Keyboard on my phone
DigitalBang
The person gives the gift, pays the tax. There is also a lifetime exemption total, which is over 5 mill
MultiTrackDrifting
The day I make 14k in "gifts" as a server is the day I suck my own dick.
DavidBrooker
Don't lie, everyone tries on their own once or twice.
MultiTrackDrifting
Well yeah, but few are (if ever) successful. Same with making $14,000 a year in tips.
cole5law
But not until then!
doctorninja
Because you can finally afford that spinal surgery
MidiArbite
It's 14k per year, but the giver pays the tax.
JaxAndHisLampPost
Except the receipient doesn't pay the tax. Additionally, You're allowed to gift 5.45M over your lifetime tax free(on amounts over 14k/yr).
MidiArbite
So you can gift 14k a year, plus 5.45m as a limit after,. Complicated but interesting.
Excalus
Giving something closely related to a service performed is not a gift. Other than that, yes, the exclusion is a thing.
HanShotFirst39
I don't oppose taxes as much as I oppose the bloated bureaucracy that wastes money on the stupidest shit imaginable.
LordSloththeUndead
What you oppose and why doesn't matter to anyone but you.
Larkos
We don't pay enough taxes to support the government anyway. It's propped up by selling debt or borrowing form the future.
ishouldprobablybeplayingpokemonATM
I oppose the lack of equal taxes for corporations and the extremely wealtgy
psrobyn
Learned in Bio class that Planned Parenthood is getting defunded to the point where they'll have less money than the Pentagon's dry-clean 1)
psrobyn
2) -ing allowance, but hey: USA! USA! USA! (I will provide sauce if I remember to do so.)
LizardEnterprises
1/2 You don't get to choose though. Taxes are not an a la carte system. If you want to pay for different shit, elect different people to
LizardEnterprises
2/2 write the budget. In the mean time, stfu and be glad you don't live in an anarchy, or a Russian-style kleptocracy... yet.
ChinchillaStars
Or like stupid fucking walls...
BaldBandit
Looking at you, F-35.
Loxachi
So being the cheapest and best piece of equipment in its category is now wasting money? Wow, has the world gone mad in the last 8 hours?
SanSilv
Securing US air dominance is dumb? You like watching pilots get shot down and die? Okay I guess...
Pharsydephreak
Exactly, taxes is one thing, over taxation because the government is incompetent and blows way more than necessary!
craz3d
"I'm from the govt and I'm here to help." Translation: You're fucked.
Silmarilcrown
Mid-1940s France might have a different interpretation when American GIs said that
FnordGallop
Yeah, more than a third of the military budget (1/6 of the national budget) is waste, fraud and abuse.
KeisatsuOtaku
Yep. GSA is the top of that FWA. We pay $15 for a small box of pens & half leak/don't work. Because we HAVE to buy GSA due to gov policy
Sandyundertones
Like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security? That is like half of the budget. Add the rest of safety net and debt interest, you have 1/3
Christx30
There are a thousand ways the government wastes money every day. If they'd eliminate those, I'd feel better about paying taxes.
sirpayneful
Social security is a Ponzi scheme
lurkermclurkington
It is not a pyramid scheme since it only has 2 levels. Beneficiaries and those paying into it. See what retirement looked like before it.
darkdragonempress
Actually social security is closer to a pension fund. The only reason it has any comparison to a Ponzi scheme is because it was 1
darkdragonempress
Supposed to be its own account but started getting raided as a slush fund. 2
MidiArbite
Eh it still requires new blood to pay for the old blood, which is kinda the definition of a Ponzi scheme.
HitlersArtCritic
Yeah SS is "I put money in, and take it out" like Retirement funds. A Ponzi Scheme is "everyone puts money in, some take it out happily"
PoppaBigBear
"Taxation is theft but man do I like these roads. Who paid for these?"
TylerTheAnarchist
In my city the casino did but I like the TurnPike idea.
PoppaBigBear
In my city, taxes pay for a lot of shit. I gladly pay taxes in exchange for schools, infrastructure and healthcare for all.
TylerTheAnarchist
We have a lot of private and homeschools here and a non-profit helps people with health care, must be nice living in a rich city.
PoppaBigBear
Wow, you have a lot of private and homeschools but I'm the one living in a rich city?
TylerTheAnarchist
It was cheaper to build a charter school than a public school.
Exoticz
The person that had to pay his taxes involuntarily.
PoppaBigBear
is it really involuntarily? Because we all need roads, I guess you could live in the forest, but living in the city costs money.
Exoticz
If I want something (roads, for example) then I will pay for them. But, if you want something and force me to pay for that what you want 1/2
Exoticz
then it is involuntary and becomes immoral (by force). I also don't have the right to take your money to pay for the stuff that I want:) 2/2
PoppaBigBear
By living in society with the rest of us, you agree to pay for things a society needs. You're welcomed to live in the forest 1/2
SnoBored
People need to understand what their taxes go to. Quebec mails a statement from hospital after you are treated. The province paid the bill
nicklefarts
People in the US don't understand how elections work. Our president doesn't understand how politics work. Or anything, really.
murlokotam
Let's see: waging wars, bailing out wall street, protecting corporate interests. Does not go to healthcare nor road maintanence.
circlebreaker
"Do you enjoy traveling on paved roads?", is my standard question in these situations.
CatchyUsername123
The province didnt pay anything, the people paid, and usually you, paid the bill
SnoBored
I see what you are trying to get at but the point was to ensure people understood that you wouldnt receive a bill you individually had 2 pay
SnoBored
Rather the province as an entity which does represent the people did
Thule
Yes, they need to understand. Look at the Middle East. Look at the government bureaucracy.
SnoBored
But the point is to communicate how much things cost so people understand value of taxes
SumdumCanadiun
Well; "Quebec" didn't really pay for it. 5 other provinces did.http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/budget/fallstatement/2013/chapter4.html#chart4-2
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waitwhat1234
Haha. Canada would be in a depression if not for the "tar sands". Even at $45 a barrel Alberta is still the economic engine of Canada.
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SumdumCanadiun
The fact that you call it "tar sands" tells people how little you know about unconventional oil.
samsonguy920
Pretty much what doesn't come back as refund goes into my congress's payroll. Money being fluid and all that jazz, I like where a bit >
samsonguy920
> goes towards the NEA and CPB....or did.
koldfusion
Quebec is a special part of Canada the rest of us hate. More people speak Hindi and Mandarin out west than French. It's communist Canada.
SumdumCanadiun
And them taking in the most transfer payments. More than the east coast provinces COMBINED.
SnoBored
Quebec is its own special kind of fucky. The prov gov hates thing not their idea. Back in the day they shutdown a proposal for federal
koldfusion
I love the country. The people of Quebec are good one on one. But once a politician gets involved the fighting starts. And tipping sucks.
SnoBored
Education assistance and said just give us the money and we will do it. Cause it wasnt their idea. So all provinces lost out
safetcup
We get a bill? Jamais rien reçu...
SnoBored
Bill might be the wrong term more like the receipt. Its mailed but it might seem like junk mail so people might discard it
SnoBored
Its also been a while since ive been in quebec so it may no longer be done :(
safetcup
I've only have been to the hospital twice for the birth of my kids. I imagine the bill would be very high.
StTriniansHeadBoy
Most USAians seem to think the idea of not paying for their own healthcare is communism.
OaksParcel
Yet somehow they think paying trillions for a socialized government owned military force isn't socialism.
SnoBored
True but world=USA and i think countries should do it for more then just healthcare. Put the taxes in terms of things people care about and
SnoBored
Suddenly they arent as bad
Mazeradaville
Lol no one else on the two continents call themselves American except us
whyexactly
There's a good reason for that.
craz3d
It's socialism & we're afraid of that generally. Except for the old fogies who hate both socialism & someone touching social security
craz3d
Oxymoronic senile bastards.
907JesseJones
Except for the minor detail that your Social Security "benefit" is based on what you paid into it.
907JesseJones
Socialism takes what you've earned to give to someone else who didn't do anything.
ImAShittyTransAm
I'm sure that trust fund kids living off multigenerational wealth did so much for their millions.
Thetwitchy1
Socialism taxes your income to provide services to everyone. Including a minimum living allowance, which is really low.
Thetwitchy1
Wait, you guys have to claim tips? That's fucked up.
DigitalBang
It's income tax(ed)
LilacDoozy
Only tips paid with credit card - it's automatically reported. MANY people here seem to be missing that. Hence the cash tip. Also....1/?
LilacDoozy
They likely wrote "Taxation is theft" on the tip line so the server couldn't whine about getting stiffed (yes, some will do that). I... 2/?
LilacDoozy
I generally write "cash" on the tip line for that same purpose.
ilovemynami
I've owed dominoes money on a paycheck before
rabaal
Yeah, exactly why I only leave cash tips.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
Income is income.
MidiArbite
Gifts under 4k or so a year aren't taxed.
ImHereToExplainTheJoke
I was referring to tips
Corrodias
Mostly, yes. Gifts up to a certain amount don't count, thus the idiot in the picture trying to fool the IRS with that receipt.
mitchconnor
Gifts of any amount are tax-free for the recipient. Over $14,000 the gift giver actually has to pay tax. 1/2
mitchconnor
Either way, the pictured "gift" does not qualify as a gift under the tax code.
KimKumdashian
They should just, I don't know, pay them a substantial wage like other countries. Tips are not expected where I live (Oz).
Begotten
As bizarre as tipping might seem to you, the idea of not tipping for certain things is equally bizarre to me
KimKumdashian
Oh I agree. If someone has given great service, you tip them appropriately but depending on tips makes me feel for the servers/workers.
Begotten
Why? It's a job they choose to do. Tipping goes beyond waitresses and servers for me too.
nasukkin
Twitch streamers also have to claim subscriptions and donations as taxable tips.
macthelost
How much exactly is a no donating subscription worth? You tubers don't pay tax on their "likes".
nasukkin
Subscriptions are $5 USD per month.
lostintransmutation
Credit tips are usually already claimed, cash tips you have to put in manually. If I make no tips at all, my 5.05 gets bumped to 8.13. Wooho
Spikelf
If remember. clam just enough not to get in trouble. If you make no tips let go.
lostintransmutation
And 5.05 is actually A LOT compared to everywhere else in the US, aside from california.
noxiousSaucyBeast
Yeah I get 4.08, it's usually just enough to cover the taxes on my claimed tips
ImOnlyHereBecauseTheAppMakesYouMakeAnAccountGoodbyeLurking
I made about $3 an hour when I served
mosesfunk
Then you must have been a terrible server.
ImOnlyHereBecauseTheAppMakesYouMakeAnAccountGoodbyeLurking
Not in tips lol that's what the restaurant paid every server hourly
mosesfunk
I figured, it's just misleading because you didn't make $3/hr, you probably made MUCH more than that. I usually averaged between $15-$20
ImOnlyHereBecauseTheAppMakesYouMakeAnAccountGoodbyeLurking
I meant hourly pay from the restaurant before the tips we made. We had to enter those manually at the end of the night when we closed out.
Okiedokieartichokie7
That's how they get away with such low hourly wages for wait staff
ImOnlyHereBecauseTheAppMakesYouMakeAnAccountGoodbyeLurking
Looking at the schedule like please say I'm cooking not serving on weekdays
mosesfunk
As a former server, I hate this argument. I saw it a bad night when I averaged less than $17/hr. Sure, it's not a great wage, but let's (1)
mosesfunk
*not pretend. oops!
mosesfunk
pretend it was minimum wage. Plus, if a server doesn't make minimum wage w/ tip, the restaurant is required to pay the difference. (2)
Moradeth
You're correct but people are dicks, plenty of stories where they don't pay out the minimum wage or try to take some tips.
mosesfunk
That's great and all, but in the 7 years that I served between high school and college, I never once made less than minimum wage in a (1)
bamcockseverywhere
Here in Oregon they just pay regular minimum wage for waitstaff plus tips and it's fine
mosesfunk
That's pretty cool. I didn't know any states did that.
idostufftooxo
As a former server I think making these huge profiteers pay good wages to servers that way tipping is not obligatory is better 1
idostufftooxo
A company shouldn't need to rely on their customers to pay the employees. It creates animosity.
mosesfunk
You can disagree with the tipping system, but let's not pretend servers don't get paid. I loved serving because of how much I could make!