Aug 18, 2021 11:48 PM
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TweakerTheBarbarian
We should have armed and trained the women of Afghanistan
Saxytimes
Rescue.org is taking donations. Maybe that can help a little ?
unclebenon69
I am chilled.
Returned
Just like turning away the jews during ww2. Nothing changes.
jbrontey
The fairest outcome here would be if all of the women left.
katicaV
This saddens me, I wish I could do something to help them..these poor people don’t deserve to live in fear and oppression:(
lurkilydurkiler
This is absolutely gut wrenching and devastating. The horror is surreal. ?
Holinyx05
I get that this is beyond horrible, but everyone knew the Taliban was going to come and they had 20 years to leave
prdgmshft
You make it sound so easy.
Thewayofthebear
For fucks sake. We retake the airport's, you need about 50 SAS and 500 Americans on standby. Airlift boys! Wheels barely touch.
tlamstrike
Secure the north, blow the Salang tunnel, and arm Ahmad Massoud's forces so they can hold out indefinitely. Send them there.
dunimal
Fucking hell this is harrowing.
jonlememe
Should have just armed these women, probably put up a better fight against the Taliban than those “soldiers”.
kkanne20
all I can really do about it
Bakerysnake
You can't blind yourself to this but god do you want to because your fucked every way you look at this you can't help everyone and we fucked
up ourselves so it feels like we should fix this but then we would fuck this up even further.
SyrianJesus
The USA can always be the global peace keepers. There are plenty of other capable militaries that could have stepped up and didnt.
Should have never been in Afghanistan or Iraq to begin with.
Contundo
You talk like there was no one else there
Snuggelapolous
Oh man. This is hard to watch.
doublebarrelfrecklegun
Those.men are going to have some serious ptsd after this shit
kirmes
That's what you get when you wanna play war ...
dvddspcofmrca
Much like the women left behind
ThumaUrman
They won't live long enough to develop PTSD...
moonpie1024
I hate being here and human on this planet. How can we allow this and all the other horrors we let people endure
Albertastan
How many peasant armies does it take to defeat the western empire? - laughs in Vietnamese rice farmer.
Voidstrider2230
That'd suck, and knowing you couldn't do anything wouldn't help, wonderful results from a war we didn't need to prolong, yet we did.
insomniac24x7
We will be hated … forever
MACWE
What the fuck....
NERDRAGEohacat
I know there's value in documenting this so the world can see how fucked it all is, but I can never imagine what it feels like to be in 1/2
that situation and the only (apparent) response from the other party is to whip out their phone and start recording. 2/2
HonestCommentFarmer
I think it's more like "I can't let these people in. The most I can do for them is bear witness and pass it on."
That's what I mean by "apparent response". From their perspective the soldier's only doing two things: denying them safety and filming it.
Tharagincajun
Same reaction. Like how demoralizing for the women, but how important for the world to see
AnxiaTeaDD
Even without sound, this is just…goddammit. I wish we could help them, I wish I could help them. It’s the women who will suffer the most?
HayloEffect
It’s not much, but it’s something: https://www.womenforwomen.org/
Thank you. I went ahead and donated. They deserve better.
thelonepig
Seriously can we not mail-order marry them? I'm a straight woman but I'm single and I'd marry an Afghan girl rn.
It's heartbreaking. I hate humanity.
BobaFettApproves
If we rescued all the women, the Taliban wouldn’t be able to reproduce anymore & the girls would have better lives … it’d be a win win …
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ThanatosST
Afghanistan would always have fallen because there isn't a cultural identity as "Afghanistan" for the ANA to rally behind. Pockets may
voidmain
v they are starting to get there
Put up resistance, but the western concept of Afghanistan doesn't exist for most of the people there. It's just tribes and local warlords.
atomiccheesegod
Mine you this is just one city in Afghanistan. Imagine being in Kandahar/Herat/Kuduz with zero hope
bambilambs
The guardian claims executions have already started in Kandahar stadium. Journalist #geteeazami is still missing she was taken on Sunday
From her apartment
DetectiveGaff
I've been on this subject for a while. We get to see the Kabul airlift because that's where the cameras are. That's where Taliban restraint/
/is seen and acknowledged. There's a lot more than that.
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
Taliban so far is sticking to promise to allow women to go to school/work as long as theyre totally covered. They should have time to escape
Highlights333
You serious? It’s the fucking Taliban. You’re an idiot
shitnado85
If you think that shit is going to last, you need to come to terms that in all likelihood it won't once the camera crews leave.
BrovoFoxtrot
In some places. In others there are reports of stonings and executions already
CreamyPutanesca
Yeah 48 hours in…
There's a lot more than the cameras rolling in Kabul.
their true colors2/2
All these assholes care about currently is how they look to the rest of the world. Even with CNN cameras rolling they're barely hiding1/2
Yep. There was a "pistol whipping" incident that would have been a shooting without cameras. Narrative outcome: more restraint than USA cops
SovietBat
I'd be absolutely fucking devastated. I AM devastated. Not sure what I'd do if I were one of the soldiers. At. All.
PissedOffMiddleAgedWhiteAustalianMan
Follow orders
thedarkcanuck
You stay at your post and do your duty, but nobody is judged for weeping in these situations. Sometimes everybody shows their humanity
Repostradamus
One of my most heartbreaking moments when I was deployed there was an ANA soldier who knew English begging me to get him on as a terp 1/2
so he could eventually apply for the special visa to move to the US. The look in his eyes when I said I didn't have that authority has 2/3
stuck with me for the past 10+ years. I hope he's still ok. 3/3
dafaad77
PTSD. These guys will live with this forever.
hoshanabanana
Like those who were lied to about COVID and died, I feel a similar pity for those who bought the honor racket and lost their lives for oil.
dancingbarefootonlego
This is heartbreaking.
Warune
Not much you can do. If theres only so much room on the planes, theres only so many people that can be let onto the basr
Girlie1337
Some nazis would help people cross borders, so they were just moved to other posts. Their families were also threatened but I don't think >
that'd happen with US soldiers.
aweebitbmpy
Flying the Evac lines isn’t a fun experience. But the people on board have more hope than those stuck outside the wire. Still tough though.
apostlepk
Well, the VA is sending out "Don't Suicide Yourself" emails if that gives you any indication of how they're expected to feel.
notwittyenoughforimgur
They offered me pills after waiting 4 months for an appointment
I swear our briefings are only so they can say they're trying. By punting the responsibility to us.
MetalPsychologist
They can’t do anything. 115k soldiers have committed suicide during the war. That will probably increase and who knows how many have PTSD.
(Spoiler alert: nearly all have PTSD)
Cestarian
You'd follow whatever orders you're given because it's not your call to make and there's nothing you can actually do as 1 soldier.
EVO4thaW1N
You can certainly make things worse.
sailormars69420
...And then go home and cry your eyes out and internalize the guilt.
iagpjuiagernijpaergnjbpi
And that's what an average of 20 vets comit suicide every day
23. Not trying to correct you but it’s a very important number per day. To myself and thousands of others. 23 too many.
DwightSchrupert
Hope you are doing well.
AnonOmis1000
Is anyone else just so numb that this doesn't even register? Like, I know this is horrible, but my brain is just like "whatever"
ReluctantComment
Sometimes i can register either
It's the emotional calculus of knowing we're doing a shitty thing to discontinue a shittier thing. "But the Pharoah hardened his heart."
weirdoinuse
I honestly don't know enough about the situation so I think the same and scroll on... but yeah sure it's horrible
ElkThorvald
Same. It sucks but our soldiers were over their for 20 years with locals planting ieds and hiding the taliban, they shouldve changed then.
Shitposting2017
Yes. It’s so fucked up. I hear about school shootings like it’s not a big deal anymore with all the shit going on. WTF, I’m sick of the evil
rainbowcoloredpoop
Crazy enough this sitch actually made me more angry than other current events. I'm struggling to know why.
ElSuperbeasto
The world sucks. Life sucks. Sorry. Not our problem anymore. All the best to them, let’s do what we can to help. But no more soldiers there.
Jakkerak
yep
Exevium
It doesn't register as it used to do.
Elviondel
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/signs-compassion-fatigue
IsolatedAsshole
I’m in the same boat. It’s like my empathy meter has been overloaded these past few years, and just kinda broke.
AssistantRegional
No. Lotta historical significance. Ever sit in history class and wonder what it was like to live in a crazy time? Well you are so stay awake
Nah I never wondered that.
NotAPervert
“It’s 2021 what else did we expect” “time to cross taliban-retake-Afghanistan off my 2021 bingo”
PorneliusHubertII
I know this is terrible. I also know that there isn't a God damn thing I can do about it.
BoopleSnoot615
Same. I've been desensitized by all the negativity in the world.
limbodog
Not yet. My heart still has more breaking to do
My condolences
Human beings evolved to have enough empathy for a small number of people, not enough for the billions suffering around the world. You can't
Blame yourself for being unable to handle the pain, suffering, and torture happening everywhere all the time.
DelCorazon
I don’t so much feel “desensitized,” it’s more like a need to cling to my sanity instead of falling down the “well of pain and sorrow…..”
It can be so fucking depressing…….
thefuzziestofbutts
"Total disassociation, fully out your mind.Googling "derealization", hating what you find."
Indecurtsy
Derealization is a fucking crazy doc. All on youtube. Check it out.
Those lyrics have been hitting me hard lately.
Afroman8675
Literally had a panic attack on the leg extension machine at the gym the other day when this song came on through my headphones
SexDrugsBirdsandRocknRoll
Love love love that song. So many great lyrics
l3ulwark
What's the songs title?
Proffesional1Downer
Sandstorm darude or something idk
That funny feeling bo burnham
Mcknizzle
The afghanis have chosen, through lack of action, to live under the taliban. We need to leave and let them live their lives as they see fit.
LooseSeall
The male *afghans (afghani is currency) chose this. The women did not get a choice.
zbobet2012
We should have armed and trained the women. They were the ones with something to lose, but they did not choose this. It was forced on them.
Men and women both of quite a bit to lose. The population has chosen not to fight, at least to this point, and we have to accept that.
HollyRex
…and that’s how to say you’re a conservative without actually saying you’re a conservative.
sweetnaivety
what? my Dad is conservative and watches fox news and they are saying how horrible Biden is for doing this to the Afghan people though?
Biden could save a bus full of kittens from a burning house and Fox would find something wrong with it. The pull out was initiated by Trump,
if Trump had been the one to follow through, they’d be singing his praises. They aren’t a good baseline to compare values.
I’m a very liberal Dem, I do not agree with the pull out, but I recognize that Biden’s hands were tied by the previous admins actions.
Not conservative. We just can’t fight everyone’s war. They have to decide their own fate
Nobody chooses what the innocent Afghans are going through right now. Many of them want out…obviously. Grow a fucking heart.
I’ve had a heart for 20 years. They need to grow a backbone and fight. A nation of nearly 40 million fell to less than 100k in just days.
Yes, let’s say “too bad little 12 year old girl, you didn’t do enough to prevent this. Here’s a gun…good luck!” That’s how you sound.
You have literally stated you’re a conservative in the past, so don’t pretend you aren’t one to push this point.
I’ve changed my mind on it. I’m a fan of universal healthcare and believe in increasing gun regulation. Also, I’m pro-choice. I am not a
conservative any more and hold no allegiance to any party.
TweakerTheBarbarian
We should have armed and trained the women of Afghanistan
Saxytimes
Rescue.org is taking donations. Maybe that can help a little ?
unclebenon69
I am chilled.
Returned
Just like turning away the jews during ww2. Nothing changes.
jbrontey
The fairest outcome here would be if all of the women left.
katicaV
This saddens me, I wish I could do something to help them..these poor people don’t deserve to live in fear and oppression:(
lurkilydurkiler
This is absolutely gut wrenching and devastating. The horror is surreal. ?
Holinyx05
I get that this is beyond horrible, but everyone knew the Taliban was going to come and they had 20 years to leave
prdgmshft
You make it sound so easy.
Thewayofthebear
For fucks sake. We retake the airport's, you need about 50 SAS and 500 Americans on standby. Airlift boys! Wheels barely touch.
tlamstrike
Secure the north, blow the Salang tunnel, and arm Ahmad Massoud's forces so they can hold out indefinitely. Send them there.
dunimal
Fucking hell this is harrowing.
jonlememe
Should have just armed these women, probably put up a better fight against the Taliban than those “soldiers”.
kkanne20
Bakerysnake
You can't blind yourself to this but god do you want to because your fucked every way you look at this you can't help everyone and we fucked
Bakerysnake
up ourselves so it feels like we should fix this but then we would fuck this up even further.
SyrianJesus
The USA can always be the global peace keepers. There are plenty of other capable militaries that could have stepped up and didnt.
prdgmshft
Should have never been in Afghanistan or Iraq to begin with.
Contundo
You talk like there was no one else there
Snuggelapolous
Oh man. This is hard to watch.
doublebarrelfrecklegun
Those.men are going to have some serious ptsd after this shit
kirmes
That's what you get when you wanna play war ...
dvddspcofmrca
Much like the women left behind
ThumaUrman
They won't live long enough to develop PTSD...
moonpie1024
I hate being here and human on this planet. How can we allow this and all the other horrors we let people endure
Albertastan
How many peasant armies does it take to defeat the western empire? - laughs in Vietnamese rice farmer.
Voidstrider2230
That'd suck, and knowing you couldn't do anything wouldn't help, wonderful results from a war we didn't need to prolong, yet we did.
insomniac24x7
We will be hated … forever
MACWE
What the fuck....
NERDRAGEohacat
I know there's value in documenting this so the world can see how fucked it all is, but I can never imagine what it feels like to be in 1/2
NERDRAGEohacat
that situation and the only (apparent) response from the other party is to whip out their phone and start recording. 2/2
HonestCommentFarmer
I think it's more like "I can't let these people in. The most I can do for them is bear witness and pass it on."
NERDRAGEohacat
That's what I mean by "apparent response". From their perspective the soldier's only doing two things: denying them safety and filming it.
Tharagincajun
Same reaction. Like how demoralizing for the women, but how important for the world to see
AnxiaTeaDD
Even without sound, this is just…goddammit. I wish we could help them, I wish I could help them. It’s the women who will suffer the most?
HayloEffect
It’s not much, but it’s something: https://www.womenforwomen.org/
AnxiaTeaDD
Thank you. I went ahead and donated. They deserve better.
thelonepig
Seriously can we not mail-order marry them? I'm a straight woman but I'm single and I'd marry an Afghan girl rn.
dunimal
It's heartbreaking. I hate humanity.
BobaFettApproves
If we rescued all the women, the Taliban wouldn’t be able to reproduce anymore & the girls would have better lives … it’d be a win win …
[deleted]
[deleted]
ThanatosST
Afghanistan would always have fallen because there isn't a cultural identity as "Afghanistan" for the ANA to rally behind. Pockets may
voidmain
ThanatosST
Put up resistance, but the western concept of Afghanistan doesn't exist for most of the people there. It's just tribes and local warlords.
atomiccheesegod
Mine you this is just one city in Afghanistan. Imagine being in Kandahar/Herat/Kuduz with zero hope
bambilambs
The guardian claims executions have already started in Kandahar stadium. Journalist #geteeazami is still missing she was taken on Sunday
bambilambs
From her apartment
DetectiveGaff
I've been on this subject for a while. We get to see the Kabul airlift because that's where the cameras are. That's where Taliban restraint/
DetectiveGaff
/is seen and acknowledged. There's a lot more than that.
TheAssassinArtemisEntreri
Taliban so far is sticking to promise to allow women to go to school/work as long as theyre totally covered. They should have time to escape
Highlights333
You serious? It’s the fucking Taliban. You’re an idiot
shitnado85
If you think that shit is going to last, you need to come to terms that in all likelihood it won't once the camera crews leave.
BrovoFoxtrot
In some places. In others there are reports of stonings and executions already
CreamyPutanesca
Yeah 48 hours in…
DetectiveGaff
There's a lot more than the cameras rolling in Kabul.
shitnado85
their true colors2/2
shitnado85
All these assholes care about currently is how they look to the rest of the world. Even with CNN cameras rolling they're barely hiding1/2
DetectiveGaff
Yep. There was a "pistol whipping" incident that would have been a shooting without cameras. Narrative outcome: more restraint than USA cops
SovietBat
I'd be absolutely fucking devastated. I AM devastated. Not sure what I'd do if I were one of the soldiers. At. All.
PissedOffMiddleAgedWhiteAustalianMan
Follow orders
thedarkcanuck
You stay at your post and do your duty, but nobody is judged for weeping in these situations. Sometimes everybody shows their humanity
Repostradamus
One of my most heartbreaking moments when I was deployed there was an ANA soldier who knew English begging me to get him on as a terp 1/2
Repostradamus
so he could eventually apply for the special visa to move to the US. The look in his eyes when I said I didn't have that authority has 2/3
Repostradamus
stuck with me for the past 10+ years. I hope he's still ok. 3/3
dafaad77
PTSD. These guys will live with this forever.
hoshanabanana
Like those who were lied to about COVID and died, I feel a similar pity for those who bought the honor racket and lost their lives for oil.
dancingbarefootonlego
This is heartbreaking.
Warune
Not much you can do. If theres only so much room on the planes, theres only so many people that can be let onto the basr
Girlie1337
Some nazis would help people cross borders, so they were just moved to other posts. Their families were also threatened but I don't think >
Girlie1337
that'd happen with US soldiers.
aweebitbmpy
Flying the Evac lines isn’t a fun experience. But the people on board have more hope than those stuck outside the wire. Still tough though.
apostlepk
Well, the VA is sending out "Don't Suicide Yourself" emails if that gives you any indication of how they're expected to feel.
notwittyenoughforimgur
They offered me pills after waiting 4 months for an appointment
apostlepk
I swear our briefings are only so they can say they're trying. By punting the responsibility to us.
MetalPsychologist
They can’t do anything. 115k soldiers have committed suicide during the war. That will probably increase and who knows how many have PTSD.
MetalPsychologist
(Spoiler alert: nearly all have PTSD)
Cestarian
You'd follow whatever orders you're given because it's not your call to make and there's nothing you can actually do as 1 soldier.
EVO4thaW1N
You can certainly make things worse.
sailormars69420
...And then go home and cry your eyes out and internalize the guilt.
iagpjuiagernijpaergnjbpi
And that's what an average of 20 vets comit suicide every day
notwittyenoughforimgur
23. Not trying to correct you but it’s a very important number per day. To myself and thousands of others. 23 too many.
DwightSchrupert
Hope you are doing well.
AnonOmis1000
Is anyone else just so numb that this doesn't even register? Like, I know this is horrible, but my brain is just like "whatever"
ReluctantComment
Sometimes i can register either
HonestCommentFarmer
It's the emotional calculus of knowing we're doing a shitty thing to discontinue a shittier thing. "But the Pharoah hardened his heart."
weirdoinuse
I honestly don't know enough about the situation so I think the same and scroll on... but yeah sure it's horrible
ElkThorvald
Same. It sucks but our soldiers were over their for 20 years with locals planting ieds and hiding the taliban, they shouldve changed then.
Shitposting2017
Yes. It’s so fucked up. I hear about school shootings like it’s not a big deal anymore with all the shit going on. WTF, I’m sick of the evil
rainbowcoloredpoop
Crazy enough this sitch actually made me more angry than other current events. I'm struggling to know why.
ElSuperbeasto
The world sucks. Life sucks. Sorry. Not our problem anymore. All the best to them, let’s do what we can to help. But no more soldiers there.
Jakkerak
yep
Exevium
It doesn't register as it used to do.
Elviondel
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/signs-compassion-fatigue
IsolatedAsshole
I’m in the same boat. It’s like my empathy meter has been overloaded these past few years, and just kinda broke.
AssistantRegional
No. Lotta historical significance. Ever sit in history class and wonder what it was like to live in a crazy time? Well you are so stay awake
AnonOmis1000
Nah I never wondered that.
NotAPervert
“It’s 2021 what else did we expect” “time to cross taliban-retake-Afghanistan off my 2021 bingo”
PorneliusHubertII
I know this is terrible. I also know that there isn't a God damn thing I can do about it.
BoopleSnoot615
Same. I've been desensitized by all the negativity in the world.
limbodog
Not yet. My heart still has more breaking to do
AnonOmis1000
My condolences
ThanatosST
Human beings evolved to have enough empathy for a small number of people, not enough for the billions suffering around the world. You can't
ThanatosST
Blame yourself for being unable to handle the pain, suffering, and torture happening everywhere all the time.
DelCorazon
I don’t so much feel “desensitized,” it’s more like a need to cling to my sanity instead of falling down the “well of pain and sorrow…..”
DelCorazon
It can be so fucking depressing…….
thefuzziestofbutts
"Total disassociation, fully out your mind.
Googling "derealization", hating what you find."
Indecurtsy
Derealization is a fucking crazy doc. All on youtube. Check it out.
thefuzziestofbutts
Those lyrics have been hitting me hard lately.
Afroman8675
Literally had a panic attack on the leg extension machine at the gym the other day when this song came on through my headphones
SexDrugsBirdsandRocknRoll
Love love love that song. So many great lyrics
l3ulwark
What's the songs title?
Proffesional1Downer
Sandstorm darude or something idk
Proffesional1Downer
That funny feeling bo burnham
Mcknizzle
The afghanis have chosen, through lack of action, to live under the taliban. We need to leave and let them live their lives as they see fit.
LooseSeall
The male *afghans (afghani is currency) chose this. The women did not get a choice.
zbobet2012
We should have armed and trained the women. They were the ones with something to lose, but they did not choose this. It was forced on them.
Mcknizzle
Men and women both of quite a bit to lose. The population has chosen not to fight, at least to this point, and we have to accept that.
HollyRex
…and that’s how to say you’re a conservative without actually saying you’re a conservative.
sweetnaivety
what? my Dad is conservative and watches fox news and they are saying how horrible Biden is for doing this to the Afghan people though?
HollyRex
Biden could save a bus full of kittens from a burning house and Fox would find something wrong with it. The pull out was initiated by Trump,
HollyRex
if Trump had been the one to follow through, they’d be singing his praises. They aren’t a good baseline to compare values.
HollyRex
I’m a very liberal Dem, I do not agree with the pull out, but I recognize that Biden’s hands were tied by the previous admins actions.
Mcknizzle
Not conservative. We just can’t fight everyone’s war. They have to decide their own fate
HollyRex
Nobody chooses what the innocent Afghans are going through right now. Many of them want out…obviously. Grow a fucking heart.
Mcknizzle
I’ve had a heart for 20 years. They need to grow a backbone and fight. A nation of nearly 40 million fell to less than 100k in just days.
HollyRex
Yes, let’s say “too bad little 12 year old girl, you didn’t do enough to prevent this. Here’s a gun…good luck!” That’s how you sound.
HollyRex
You have literally stated you’re a conservative in the past, so don’t pretend you aren’t one to push this point.
Mcknizzle
I’ve changed my mind on it. I’m a fan of universal healthcare and believe in increasing gun regulation. Also, I’m pro-choice. I am not a
Mcknizzle
conservative any more and hold no allegiance to any party.