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It is 1996. A greek of swedish nationality named Zenon Panoussis is browsing the internet for nothing it all, bored. Just before he's about to stop for the night he finds a server in the Netherlands where he downloads the bible of scientology. This spawns an idea in the mind of the brilliant Panoussis.
Since 1766 there's been a law in Sweden called "Offentlighetsprincipen". The principle of public/openess. The idea is that if a document is held by a swedish department it is, by default, open for the public to read if it is not infringred by confidentiality.
Zenon has this idea: If he proceeds to spread the copyrighted material, the Scientology church will be provoked to act against him. The documents in question will then have to be brought to court, putting the documents in the hands of Swedish departments in general, making them public.
The rest of the story is a long one. Zenon challanged the Scientology church openly, daring them to sue him, which the Scientology did. He spread the documents to several swedish departments, making them open to read for anyone.
Swedish Scientologists took turns at swedish departments, literally sitting on the text so that no one could read them during opening hours. But as they were spread to too many departments, people just needed to go a couple of meters between them to find examples of said texts.
But Zenon wasn't done. When The Swedish Enforcement Authority watned Zenon that they would come to his house and take the copyrighted material, Zenon sent the documents to a norwegian server and put a copying machine in his home. The documents were then, before the eyes of an attending crowd he had invited to his appartment, copied, not from his computer but from the server. In front of the officials, Zenon stated that they were free to take away the documents but not the copying machine, as he didn't have the documents. The officials, baffled, left without taking the papers.
Demands of copyright started coming in from the US, warning Sweden that further provocation with this "offentlighetsprincip" versus Copyright laws would be problematic. At first, one swedish department wanted to yield, and another, Stockholms tingsrätt (a department of justice in Stockholm), decided that the documents fell under Swedish founding law.
In the end, Zenon was fined for copyright infringements, but the freedom of information granted by the offentlighetsprincip held firm. To this day, a swedish citizen is free to read the holy books of Scientology.
The public image of the debacle damaged the Scientology church in Sweden, which has never grown like it has in Denmark, and people came to see Scientology as dangerous and idiotic. Swedish radio even gave an excerpt of the documents, teaching the Swedes about Xenu and his galactic empire in prime time.
Zenon has, to this day, not paid his fines to the Scientology church.
TLDR: Sweden won against Scientology.
Source: Swedish radio. P3 dokumentär, "Svenska kuppen mot scientologerna 1996".
NachoManTX
So sayeth the ruler of Bethos.
Kcinlive
Yay Sweden! Yay Zenon! Boo Scientology! Boo Xenu!
ThomsonI
Xenu is Scientology's equivalent to Satan. He's responsible for trapping Thetans on Earth as people.
AmericanSatan
Tom Cruise STILL won't come out of the closet.
somethingsomethingwittyhere
Except when going to his fudge packing job:
oKBirds
Religious documents should never be copyrighted material imo
xizar
How is that relevant to Hubbard's work of fiction?
pleaseuseotherdoor
And religions shouldn't bankrupt it's believers to support itself.
HaveYouEvenFuckedABitch
As a swede i had no idea this happend. Coolt! +1
Anamethatwasntused
Isn't Zenon that chick that saved the space station?
PuckeringButthole2
What kind of idiots believe this crap?
Appel99
I don’t know if celebs really believe this shit, or just being treated like a demigod.
IntrinsicDelay
viila
For celebs it is a country club. They're treated very well and get to hobnob and network with all their celeb friends. They're used as...
viila
...advertisement and lure to draw in the masses to be milked for all their worth.
eco79
Here is something not many Finns will say: that Swede (-Greek) is cool. OK, I am German , but still...
drizztx
Scientology is like the Darwin Awards for religion.
IDontLikeMyUsername
Hahaha, what a hero. Fuck that dangerous Cult.
thatwoodguy
I had an affair with an older windowed member of the church where I lived. She came with me to Mennonite churches I attended and left. Her
thatwoodguy
family disowned her, so she changed her will to not give them any money INCLUDING none to the local temple.
ExcelionPrime
Scientology vs. Sweden. AKA Xenu vs. Xerox.
thorkun
Is Xerox swedish or what? I dont get this joke.
ExcelionPrime
https://www.shop.xerox.com/ They make photocopiers and multi-function printers.
thorkun
Yes thank you, I know Xerox is a printer and photocopier, but not sure how that applies to the joke.
ExcelionPrime
1/ Ah, sorry. The last paragraph just above the cartoon above states that the Swedish Enforcement Authority took copyrighted materials from
ExcelionPrime
2/ Zenon's house. "Zenon stated that they were free to take away the documents but not the copying machine, as he didn't have the documents"
5inthepoo
That guy had some giant Swedish meatballs
achigreek
Wonder if he has any relationship with the original Panousis
framstjaert
Offentlighetsprincipen <3 skål förihelvete!
Vicachu
Grundlagar FTW (de flesta iaf)!!!
WuTangHan
Ligga?
Voltair
I thought Scientology wasn't recognized as a religion outside of the US.
Akillesursinne
It isn't. Still, the material was written by someone, and copyrighted.
ThomsonI
It's actually doing oddly well in Taiwan, last I checked.
justvenomcake
Scientology was founded on a 50 dollar bet.
Muad
That's probably not true (but it might as well be..)
justvenomcake
No that's pretty much its origins. The guy who made it made a bet with his friends he could start a religion.
Muad
That's the Heinlein story, right? Urban legend.
stonedrunkdoctor
Bet u I can start a religion crazier than all the others, I’ll charge people to follow me, and not pay any taxes...
dietderpsy
And that was the day Zenon defeated the mighty Xenu.
ThomsonI
No, Xenu is Scientology's equivalent to Satan. He's responsible for trapping Thetans on Earth as people.
Thebatdude
The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many, and before this battle was over, even a god-king can
Thebatdude
Bleed
RaiderNation95209
Fuck LRH and all his butt buddies
reluctantfr0ggy350
How nice of god Hubbard to copyright his bible so poors csn't be saved from Xenu
arek314
No, you need to be prepared for knowledge,or else your jaw will hurt, because humans descend from clams.And thethans will haunt you. /s
nanonator
Until 2056 anyway
Mumalot
I hate Scientology... they killed CHEF (SouthPark). **The guy who voiced Chef (a member of sci.) quit after they made the Scientology ep**
conflictmuffins
I'm still pissed about this... I miss his chocolate salty balls...
Thelrishlnquistion
And I just went and fudged your momma. They never caught on as much as his chocolate salty balls though.
Mumalot
Which is why they used old voiceclips in Chef's final episode :( I think I died a lil bit inside when Chef died :(
tehwilsonator
That was more Isaac Hayes being kind of a dick. "We'll make episodes making fun of every religion and you won't complain, but the instant>>
tehwilsonator
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RaiderNation95209
Chocolate salty balls*
Thelrishlnquistion
I heard that the cult did a lot of the thinking for him in regards to that if you catch my drift.
CelticmoonKate
Yeah, I heard the statement given wasn't his own, he was pretty sick. I mean he died two years later.
shiftingillusion
I have to wonder if the CoS pressured him to leave after that, rather than it being a personal decision? Who knows
ExecutorHideo
Scientology stalked the creators of the show after that episode trying to dig up dirt. They found nothing. They were definately involved...
Gianttesticlemonster
Leah Remini needs to interview this guy for her show.
FatherOfFour
As a Greek Swede with an interest in law this makes me all kinds of proud.
Akillesursinne
Hahah kör hårt! Rädda oss lata svenskar :D
FatherOfFour
Pluggade juridik tidigare och har alltid varit stolt över offentlighetsprincipen.
BrazilianThunderPanda
Scientology is the EA of religions.
wpfranner
A slogan for change if I ever heard one.
SideEffectsOfJuice
I can't decide to which of them this is an insult, and to which this is praise.
NonFungibleUsername
JewishMonk
It sounds more like Apple. Once you get entrenched in the culture, its difficult to leave.
BrazilianThunderPanda
I was thinking, completely evil and their whole scheme is pay to play.
YouCantGetDiseasesFromABird
One key difference: EA fucks you, Scientology kills you
Appel99
After they drain you of every cent you can get.
digitalist1
Or gal
barnsley1001
EA was also once semi-decent.
digitalist1
Only if your a high profile guy
Callidryas
Bumped into them when visiting Denmark and tried their "personality test" with a friend. We both will apperently fail in life. And for (1/?)
GOWood
My boss went to Los Angeles on a business trip from Australia 40 years ago and did the personality test at the airport. 1/2
GOWood
2/2 To this day they still regularly send hand written letters to him suggesting he join their “church”
Callidryas
Damn hand written! He must have made a huge impression
GOWood
Well, he never did tell us about the results of that test.
Callidryas
Shit an giggles I said that I will go to a psychologist instead of buying their book. they wanted me to buy the book so I could teach the
Callidryas
(they hate everything that involves psychology)
Ketheres
Probably because they use psychology themselves to fool people into joining them, and if you know their tricks they are far less effective
Ketheres
on you
Callidryas
Precisely my thought. Would be fun to get a psychology scientist to pick the book apart
Callidryas
Psychologist about the brain and then they turned aggressive when I turned it down.
Chpgmr
Did you tell them "No thanks, ill just go get your book for free from Sweden"?
Callidryas
Had I known! The look on their faces would have been hilarious
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
The fact that they've seemed to get a foothold in Copenhagen sickens me. They have this huge building, advertisements on the street and...
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
They audit on plazas sometimes. They're vermin.
eggmuffin
They're dangerous scam-artists.
Callidryas
They didn't say that they were from scientology only that it was a Oxford test. Only inside the building did we notice x) sneaky fuckers
Thelrishlnquistion
I would never have expected Denmark to fall for that shite.
HappyMetalhead
I think only Copenhagen has a small concentration of those blithering idiots. Never met any of them anywhere in the country.
undungubungu
Scientology is free to buy a building in CPH just like any other religion. Its located there because of the geography, not cus of the Danes.
undungubungu
To be clear, I hate their shit just as much as anyone. But we have freedom of religion. Cant discriminate because we dont like them.
777isHARDCORE
Its L Ron Hubbard's fandom, not a religion.
Z0op
What if we could prove its a cult? (Because it is)
hetriedtokillmewithaforklift
Nor would I:( It's so sad and maddening. I spit at their building every time I bike past.
woolensocks4life
So do they really teach about galactic empires etc crazy stuff in scientology?
KeeleonOhms
Only if you pay enough. Thats secret until youre at the highest level.
idownvoteplottwist
Not until you get pretty high up, is my understanding. All the low-level people will deny any of that stuff being a part of it.
eggmuffin
They don't want people to read it, because it's too stupid. It turns people away. They want to sink their claws into your brain first.
arek314
It used to be high in OT levels, that took like 200k $ to get.Now you can just watch that South Park episode
Akillesursinne
Yepp, it's all in there!
ImaginaryMamboNumber5
Love that little dig at the Danish in there - no Swedish story is complete without one...
Hahoolah
Well, only a dane would fall for that shit...
Invada
Your bait is insufficient ;)
Huldra
Same with Norway :)
TheGingerBeardedBiologist
DavveZ
undungubungu
Yeah, Scientology is as small here as in Sweden. What he means is their big department in inner Copenhagen.
StreetKenny
Damn Danes.... Using my offentlighetsprincip
FibiEntgegen
500 medlemmer i DK imod 3000 i Sverige - så LØGN
Akillesursinne
Source?
FibiEntgegen
https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/">erige">https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/vielsesret-til-scientology-i-sverige og https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
BrutaldeLuxe
In ancient times back in Sweden you had to pay weregild (a fine) if you killed someone, the cost of killing a dane was only roughly a third.
StonesOnTheHill
Well, Danes have a law that says they can beat us with sticks, so we beat them with words, knowing they're to mush-mouthed to hit back.
FredrikNyberg
Do they really? (I doubt the law, not that they try to talk with warm tomatoes in their mouths.)
definitelynotawolf
Oh I’m sure it exists. There are English laws that allow you to kill Welsh and Irish as longs as it’s with a longbow and you’re on a rampart
StonesOnTheHill
law was never formally invalidated. Sadly, I cannot find a proper reference to it, so it may just be folklore. (2/2)
KurtHamster
Pretty sure that one is bullshit...
StonesOnTheHill
And it's almost impossible to google, because I drown in links about hockey! life's not fair!
StonesOnTheHill
I've read about an old law stating that any Dane seeing a swede cross the ice over Öresund must beat him with a stick, and that the (1/2)
NamelessFacelessAverageJoe
If there’s 2 things I can’t stand it’s the intolerance of other cultures, and the Dutch!
HylianFox
"I'm one of the Danish Van Houtens! Not the Dutch Van Houtens..."
Invada
Funny you should say that. Because in fact, Scientology is not recognized as a religion in Denmark. But it is in Sweeden.
Akillesursinne
From what I know the Swedish state doesn't rate whatever a movement is a religion or not.
Invada
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_status_by_country
Akillesursinne
Well I stand corrected! Although the status in Germany is "contested". And France seems to imply shifting status.
Invada
It's also a difficult issue. Religious freedom is important.
Invada
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_status_by_country
PsychoDK
As a dane, i don't think we have that many luckily.
RepostFromLastWeek
I think they might be "hidden". In Finland you won't see Scientologist often (or ever) but they have other associations they work through.
RepostFromLastWeek
Last one I saw was a substance abuse help group.
HorribleWifey
Lucky! As an American in Florida, they essentially own the whole city adjacent to mine.
somethingsimpel
Also a dane, and I have never heard of Danish scientology
Imalwaysready
https://www.thelocal.dk/20170605/scientologists-are-rearming-in-copenhagen-researcher
c991257
Their office is 150 m or so from Tivoli's main entrance.
Hich1337
Also a Dane here. Scientology had a bus billboard advert just before Christmas in 2017 running the majority of December.
Stofand
I went to one of their churches in Denmark, and nobody in it spoke Danish.
knoldpold
Nope, never met one either
LeadByBadExample
They have had a huge ad on the side of a building for years and years in Cph. Also, there are 2 Cph locations.
Onemorewow
And an abundance of “free stress tests” on the main shopping streets.
kaihp
Searching for CoS on google maps shows 7 location near/around Copenhagen. Including the "Continental Liaison Office for Europe" in Glostrup
LeadByBadExample
Oh, and I forgot to mention that their European HQ is in Copenhagen, too.
somethingsimpel
Strange... but at least it is only on Sjælland. Im safe from their nonsens in north jutland. Only Jehovas up here =(
LeadByBadExample
https://cdn.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/sites/default/files/historier/scientology/images/bygningergif2.gif
LeadByBadExample
The location at Nytorv 11 is actually the visitor/information centre.
Turboners
Fuck scientology.
thereverseapachemaster
OH YOU ARE SO SUED!
MFDork
I think this might be the best AND easiest way to farm upvotes :D
Thelrishlnquistion
newsguycraigevans
You'd have to be Trump Supporter stupid to believe in Scientology
ANicePairofSlacks
Hello how are you? *hands you envelope* you have been served by Scientology. We will see you in court, or HELL!!
SHIKAKAAAAA
Serving is not a thing here, sorry.
BlueskydragonFX
Indeed, bloody scammers. My Lizard Overlords would not be amused if I'd be selling the Holy Book of the Church of Reptilism for money.
ptenopus
You have been officially served a cease and desist to remove this post, and delete your account or transfer to Scientology for 1000000000/y.
SideEffectsOfJuice
With a long, Swedish, d... STICK.
richardson1701
Fuck scientology. Bullshit like theirs is going to usher in a new dark age of unreason.
JoSu13
Indeed.
NobleSeven
JudgeMentaI
All hail Xenu
Darthran
I know a guy who put his entire savings into it, then when he had health problems they convenient decided he want worthy of their shit. 1/
Darthran
They dumped him with no money and crazy medical debt. Now he lives in a room in his daughter's house wheelchair bound. With nothing 2/
Darthran
Else going on. He's made the best of living with his grandkids and became pretty optimistic, but his life was clearly ruined by evil people.
UnstableProductions
Fuck all religions!
IMayOrMayNotHaveTroubleFindingAndOrChoosingAUsername
With a galactic empire-sized cactus.
WordsComeOutOneWayFartsTheOther
Sir, those are the easiest fucking points you have ever made on this community
GrammarPoliceSergeant
I didn't realize it had spread outside of the US
Hellrzr33
You stole my comment but I upvote.
Narwhaligator
Hi would you like to join scientology? that'll be 5000$. why because scientology TOTALLY isn't a scam!
WhellerNG
The shocker is, L Ron Hubbard, the founder of scientology fully admitted during his lifetime that it was a scam. He was all about the money.
ptenopus
"Truth is what truth is to you" - The Counsel of L. Ron.
WhatTheHeII
It isn’t even good science fiction
jsnforce
Agreed.
RodgerRodger
they are starting to advertise through facebook in Ireland. i have flagged every ad ive seen so far as offensive.
polkadotnurse
Me too!!!!! I was like THIS IS A SCAAAAAAAM
RodgerRodger
RoseSheepy69
You want to fuck an ideas?
AutisticSatan
Here, here!
ezzmann
b nice
DrakeRamorayMD
NoOo
jsnforce
To Scientology?
TheUpdootist
That's just your Thetans talking. Or something...
Skulties1
I have a non Scientology thetan removal procedure for the low cost of 29.99$
ClayBones548
That's sort of steep for a home enema, don't you think?
Skulties1
Under market value actually. Reinsertion is double
Akillesursinne
Aye.
DrShitwagon
You know the difference between a pirate saying aye vs saying aye aye?
OptimisticDownvoteLover
Aye captain
Cyanide2817
Aye Aye captain
ButtFaceChase
I can't hear you!
butterflyperson
AY AY CAPTAAAAAIIIIN!!!!
GuyLuomo
lncorrectGrammerNazi
ODSTsRule
Im a firm believer in Star Wars *nods*
DylanIsBored
Scientology is the actual Illuminati
Mokelzwerg
No?
DylanIsBored
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Snow_White
Mokelzwerg
What has this to do with Illuminati?
DylanIsBored
Did you read the article? They're not the actual Illuminati but they're not just a group of crazies, they just use the crazies for their $
quixotegut
Wait, he's being sued by CoS for spreading the Bible of the CoS and making it easier to get at?
Imalwaysready
One of many examples of how fucked up that religion is.
TheNextPresident
Because Scientology is a pyramid scheme and access to books about it is supposed to be a reward for giving them more money or recruits.
Sprixxen
If you are exposed to the Xenu story too soon your body thetans explode or something causing you to become a psychologist probably.
27yoUGLYvirgin
It is kept secret so that people can take read the insanity until they are properly brainwashed to believe it. I'm sadly not kidding.
drfarren
Scientology is pay to play. EVERYTHING costs money.
harryplt788
That’s affirmative. CoS just wants your $. That’s how they continue to thrive and pay for those fancy lawyers to exact their bidding.
Cereaza
Yeah. CoS controls those books very closely. The whole thing reads like a Khan Academy Course. You go through the levels and 'learn more'.
Sildroni
narniasreal
You have to be at a certain level of scientology magic to be allowed to read these texts as a member
Akillesursinne
Becuase he was spreading copyrighted material.
Bystandr
Of course, because Scientology, like other shams, is an expensive book club cult more than it is a religion.
IfYouAreReadingThisILoveYou
Important to note, he basically did the same thing to Scientology that Martin Luther did to Catholicism/Christianity except Martin Luther -
IfYouAreReadingThisILoveYou
Actually believed the religion he outed the holy book of and just wanted to critique the monopoly the Catholic church had on faith.
FyreHaar
Yeah, vernacular bibles were a huuuuge deal back in the day.
IProvideFakeContext
As a Catholic, most of us (not the hierarchy) like what he did. The Catholic Church at the time were way too big for their boots.
IfYouAreReadingThisILoveYou
Exactly, holding a monopoly on basically anything comes misplaced pride, greed, and lower quality service. In a time when people are-
IfYouAreReadingThisILoveYou
Literally burned alive on the regular for not believing the right faith it's inevitable and necessary.
eggmuffin
Yes. The "church" of Scientology don't actually want you to read their scripture. They know it's just fan fiction.
YouSuckBigTime
Yeah I’m with you on that on
kahless01
they make you pay to be audited before you have the right to know. they think youll go crazy if you know too soon
6ft1DickC
Basically he bypassed the DLC payment process for the religious equivalent of EA
ThomsonI
Oh God, that's how I'm going to describe the Co$ to my gamer friends now.
TinnyOctopus
Then proceeded to use the cheating lawsuit to make the DLC publicly available.
abigmoosenamedjerb
Because the church knows that the religion is ridiculous and that only brainwashed people would believe any of it
Luck9000
This. I think more than the pay to play they need control of the material to successfully brainwash new members.
lethaldoobie
kind of the same principles at work here...
GlenL
Scientology is a business, he's giving away their product for free.
Timeandrelativedimensionsinspaghetti
That story is reserved for people that have already been brainwashed. Normal people hear about the Xenu stuff and turn tail
jridley
Because the upper level stuff is seriously whack-a-doodle crazy fucktown stuff, and it takes years to brainwash people enough to buy it.
lethaldoobie
its pay to win in religion form...want salvation or wtvr? pay up to unlock the prestige class with access to the text with instructions
KiltedCurmudgeon
All about the DLCs, man! Pay up to level up and get the goodies.
Wolfandre
According to history, this means we're up for a protestant reformation within the Church of Scientology. That should be fun.
thenamenooneknows
EA must own Scientology (or vice versa)
Imguralterego
I want to upvote this, but it is currently at 42 points . Too appropriate! So much about EA becomes clear!
CanadianFurr
Now this conspiracy theory I can believe.
eriksarcasm
Very good analogy, I've never heard it put that way.
richsmit
You have to pay thousands as a member to eventually see them.
dietderpsy
Yes as it would be considered intellectual property.
TheDepartmentOfMilitarySciences
Yes because it isn't a church, it's a pyramid scheme and he just gave away the secret manual.
Invada
According to the Washington post, this was all reversed in 1997 :( couldn't share the link, too long and I don't know how to upload..
Invada
.. pictures in conversations.
3mikey1
It is my understanding that much of it is kept secret until you pay to ascend the ranks or such.
swatz
Religious DLC! P2W model? ROFL.
Sleevey27
OT level 3 I believe. They will tell you Xenu is not in their beliefs in OT levels 1 and 2, but reveal it when you’re already in the hole.
InnerCthulhuVoice
And after having thoroughly indoctrinating you so you don't question the more outlandish bits.
TygrF
Lootboxes, FTW!
mushycow
Then how did this guy get the whole book? Are Scientologists really that lazy?
jasgstock
Seems like he could have made a TON of money blackmailing the CoS.
jasgstock
Says he got it off a Swedish server. Sounds like it was unsecured and/or he hacked it.
swedishpancakeswithlingonberries
Sounds like you need the DLC to progress
GDSTEVE
microtransactions...can you imagine if any other church asked for money in exchange for favors...or asked for a percentage of your income???
TheCarolingian
I think you will find that this was the backbone of the catholic church for many centuries...
GDSTEVE
Yeah, I thought I was laying the sarcasm on pretty heavily. My great grandfather was offered the chance to buy his wife out of purgatory.
TheCarolingian
Seriously? (The grandfather buying wife out of purgatory part)
foulballtocenterfield
Yeah, they can't have you knowing about the absurdity of their religion until you've got two feet in the boat.
Mumalot
Scientology... if the pay2win "mechanic" from videogames went into Religion.
thenamenooneknows
A bit like EA
KWJester49
Wait, what do they win?
eagleandy93
another page of the text
ThePastmaster
Ranks, titles, and levels. All of which you have to pay for. I wish we could do it like Germany and ban the fucking thing as a bad business.
Appel99
After paying literally thousands and thousands. It’s a cult for profit.
TheyStoleTheSun
The EA of "religion"
kepler20c
Goldenteckel
Oh, nice one !
koops
Those days you just release a game with loot boxes!
Nostradamuswaswrong
Completely different than tithing, yes...not like the Catholic church hoarding billions of dollars at all. They're *all* for profit.
BenSnow97
But you'll have a hard time finding a church as evil as the Church of Scientology. And yes, this includes the Spanish Inquisition too.
Nostradamuswaswrong
Really? I'm pretty sure the Catholic church's done more against safe legal abortions and AIDS prevention than Scientology. Evil is relative.
Nostradamuswaswrong
Also that whole protecting child molesters thing.
27yoUGLYvirgin
I always find it fascinating to watch documentaries where you can see the cult leaders. And I try to look at them and wonder what goes on in
27yoUGLYvirgin
That person's mind, like he must laugh himself silly about how it's possible that he can tell these people such an insane story and get rich
27yoUGLYvirgin
Off of it. And then I always want to catch them lose their guard but they never do of course.
Twatimz
Same could be said for every sort of religion, I'm an agnostic myself, so I'm not "for" any variation of any religion
rickanddianne
Too general. Non believer myself. Some good does escape the rot.
Ketheres
Well, any ideology can be turned into means of profit because we humans like to do that, though luckily not all have done so.
quixotegut
Ah, that's the missing info I needed. Why would any religion not want their word spreading like wildfire? When you have to pay for it.
ssjalhazred
1 Another part of it is that it's clearly stupid and people who aren't groomed by the church for years
ssjalhazred
2 (while paying the church the entire time) will instantly realize how batshit insane it is.
bitemark
Because when you finally read it, you realize just how fucking stupid it all is. I heard when Tom Cruise was finally permitted to read it 1/
annibe11e
By then you're so invested, you're psychologically likely to accept.
isildur
2/2 political parallels.
isildur
1/2 Bingo. You'd feel like an idiot at that point to admit the absurdity. Easier for ego to just go with it. There are boil-them-by-degrees
bitemark
he almost left the church because he couldn't accept it.
ExecutorHideo
I almost wonder if he didnt because they wouldnt let him.
quixotegut
Whatta dink.
Pawnderlust
I'm sure his taped confession of his sins kept him loyal even when his doubts didn't
TxGoatWhisperer
Him and Travolta get treated like gods in the church, I'm sure that allows them room for rationalization.
FrogBotherer
Because they need to build up the cognitive dissonance a bit beforehand so that your sucker will take it in without laughing.
beholder87
Scientology is what you get if EA were to found a religion. For $60 you get the title, but each paragraph of the book is an extra $14.99
GunnarrTheMadd
aRootinaTootin
Because it's a cult, not a religion. The main difference being that most information in the cult is withheld until you level up or pay in.
thenamenooneknows
Sounds a bit like EA
estavali
This... sounds a bit like a mobage D=
aRootinaTootin
I don't know what that is.
Slattefors
Im swedish and i actually went "under cover" as a school project and went on a few meetings. Sad, fooled people everywhere.
Kesohhosek
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gowronscrazyeyes
You might like to try the podcast "oh no ross and carrie" they have a great multi part undercover investigation if you want to compare
KeeleonOhms
Oh shit i just made the same comment! ONRAC4LYFE
gowronscrazyeyes
Nice!! Fantastic show, great chemistry, interesting topics and a horribly hummable theme song
JunkMonk
sounds like a religion
GodzillaHarddiskson
You, and any other Swede, should listen to P3 Dokumentär about him. It's hilarious
Appel99
I did the same but just outta curiosity, they were tryin to sell hard too. Hell they wanted me to join em full time. I just left.
Lischu
I was under the impression that one can't leave the church. They are being blackmailed or something so they wouldn't resign.
TheTimeless
A friend tried to leave recently, "suddenly" a girl (from the church) wanted to marry him and he stayed.
Suntok
HBO had a documentary called Going Clear. They mentioned 'squirrel busters' are teams that harass anyone who tries to leave.
ShrubNinja
Sounds like he never signed anything, but went to seminars and such where they were recruiting.
Sildroni
Leah Remini is an American actor that has left Scientology and has been pretty vocal about their tactics. Forcing church friends /1
Sildroni
and family/loved ones to break contact is a big first stage. /2
lazlo09
Sounds like any and all religions...
BabySharkEtc
Yeah, and sports, and life...
szepasszony
Secret societies want to keep their holy books secret, most religions want everyone everywhere to read their holy books.
kuba913
And yet many people dont understand their religions
szepasszony
That is true, atheists/agnostics score higher on religious literacy tests than most religious groups.
kuba913
Christians - were supposed to love and forgive, meanwhile - many think their religions is good explanation for hate of others, its not.
Samsquantch82
I think we need to hear some stories.
Laposed
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Slattefors
I spoke lenghty to a 30 y/o dude there, he had to pull 3 jobs to be able to pay for the level he was at. To gain more knowlege, he would 1/2
Slattefors
have to make even more money. He was like in some kind of trance, longing for more and deeper knowledge.
Slattefors
Also, i would take tests, to see if i was suitable to become one of them. "Do you ever feel tired, do you ever feel out of place".
Ketheres
Autodots, roll out!
gowronscrazyeyes
Not from OP but you might want to check out the podcast "oh no ross and carrie" they have a good multipart undercover investigation
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Think right wing fanboys. They believe everything if you just say it right. "You can breath on the moon but you aren't allowed on the moon"
SideEffectsOfJuice
Think ANY fanboys.* I mean, not just politics, any subject. People will believe objectively false things all over the place. E.g. anti-vax
HeretiCorpHasAnDFAcannon
Ergo: because we aren't allowed on the moon, it's possible that you can breath on the moon. The government lies to us daily. (Stupid stuff)
DukeDarkwood
Well, now I feel obligated to point out that the people the government has allowed on the moon had no trouble breathing. In space suits.
phe0n1x
they put chemicals in the water to turn the fricken frogs gay?
MLGsamantha
holyguacamonica
I would love a post on this.
shmekie
Going Clear is excellent. As is Leah Ramini's interview on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Twatimz
I don't think it would stay up long, a British reporter done a documentary on CoS ,scary stuff
holyguacamonica
Really??? Interesting.
Twatimz
There has been 2 ,one was with Lois through (?) ,But the one I was on about is by another British fella
yepthatguy
The doc was scary or what happened to him for doing the doc was scary?
Twatimz
What happened was scary, it's wasn't Lois , it's was a balding heavyish fella
HermausMora
Both
NeutralPitStopCommenter
Louis theroux was the journalist