Scientology versus Sweden. The story of a legal battle.

Feb 20, 2018 1:30 PM

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It is 1996. A greek of swedish nationality named Zenon Panoussis is browsing the internet for nothing it all, bored. Just before he's about to stop for the night he finds a server in the Netherlands where he downloads the bible of scientology. This spawns an idea in the mind of the brilliant Panoussis.

Since 1766 there's been a law in Sweden called "Offentlighetsprincipen". The principle of public/openess. The idea is that if a document is held by a swedish department it is, by default, open for the public to read if it is not infringred by confidentiality.

Zenon has this idea: If he proceeds to spread the copyrighted material, the Scientology church will be provoked to act against him. The documents in question will then have to be brought to court, putting the documents in the hands of Swedish departments in general, making them public.

The rest of the story is a long one. Zenon challanged the Scientology church openly, daring them to sue him, which the Scientology did. He spread the documents to several swedish departments, making them open to read for anyone.

Swedish Scientologists took turns at swedish departments, literally sitting on the text so that no one could read them during opening hours. But as they were spread to too many departments, people just needed to go a couple of meters between them to find examples of said texts.

But Zenon wasn't done. When The Swedish Enforcement Authority watned Zenon that they would come to his house and take the copyrighted material, Zenon sent the documents to a norwegian server and put a copying machine in his home. The documents were then, before the eyes of an attending crowd he had invited to his appartment, copied, not from his computer but from the server. In front of the officials, Zenon stated that they were free to take away the documents but not the copying machine, as he didn't have the documents. The officials, baffled, left without taking the papers.

Demands of copyright started coming in from the US, warning Sweden that further provocation with this "offentlighetsprincip" versus Copyright laws would be problematic. At first, one swedish department wanted to yield, and another, Stockholms tingsrätt (a department of justice in Stockholm), decided that the documents fell under Swedish founding law.

In the end, Zenon was fined for copyright infringements, but the freedom of information granted by the offentlighetsprincip held firm. To this day, a swedish citizen is free to read the holy books of Scientology.

The public image of the debacle damaged the Scientology church in Sweden, which has never grown like it has in Denmark, and people came to see Scientology as dangerous and idiotic. Swedish radio even gave an excerpt of the documents, teaching the Swedes about Xenu and his galactic empire in prime time.

Zenon has, to this day, not paid his fines to the Scientology church.

TLDR: Sweden won against Scientology.

Source: Swedish radio. P3 dokumentär, "Svenska kuppen mot scientologerna 1996".

So sayeth the ruler of Bethos.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Yay Sweden! Yay Zenon! Boo Scientology! Boo Xenu!

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Xenu is Scientology's equivalent to Satan. He's responsible for trapping Thetans on Earth as people.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Tom Cruise STILL won't come out of the closet.

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

Except when going to his fudge packing job:

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Religious documents should never be copyrighted material imo

8 years ago | Likes 58 Dislikes 1

How is that relevant to Hubbard's work of fiction?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

And religions shouldn't bankrupt it's believers to support itself.

8 years ago | Likes 42 Dislikes 1

As a swede i had no idea this happend. Coolt! +1

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Isn't Zenon that chick that saved the space station?

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

What kind of idiots believe this crap?

8 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 1

I don’t know if celebs really believe this shit, or just being treated like a demigod.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Who knows?

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

For celebs it is a country club. They're treated very well and get to hobnob and network with all their celeb friends. They're used as...

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

...advertisement and lure to draw in the masses to be milked for all their worth.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Here is something not many Finns will say: that Swede (-Greek) is cool. OK, I am German , but still...

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Scientology is like the Darwin Awards for religion.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Hahaha, what a hero. Fuck that dangerous Cult.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I had an affair with an older windowed member of the church where I lived. She came with me to Mennonite churches I attended and left. Her

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

family disowned her, so she changed her will to not give them any money INCLUDING none to the local temple.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Scientology vs. Sweden. AKA Xenu vs. Xerox.

8 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 0

Is Xerox swedish or what? I dont get this joke.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

https://www.shop.xerox.com/ They make photocopiers and multi-function printers.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Yes thank you, I know Xerox is a printer and photocopier, but not sure how that applies to the joke.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

1/ Ah, sorry. The last paragraph just above the cartoon above states that the Swedish Enforcement Authority took copyrighted materials from

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

2/ Zenon's house. "Zenon stated that they were free to take away the documents but not the copying machine, as he didn't have the documents"

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

That guy had some giant Swedish meatballs

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 1

Wonder if he has any relationship with the original Panousis

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Offentlighetsprincipen <3 skål förihelvete!

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Grundlagar FTW (de flesta iaf)!!!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ligga?

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

I thought Scientology wasn't recognized as a religion outside of the US.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

It isn't. Still, the material was written by someone, and copyrighted.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

It's actually doing oddly well in Taiwan, last I checked.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Scientology was founded on a 50 dollar bet.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 1

That's probably not true (but it might as well be..)

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

No that's pretty much its origins. The guy who made it made a bet with his friends he could start a religion.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

That's the Heinlein story, right? Urban legend.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Bet u I can start a religion crazier than all the others, I’ll charge people to follow me, and not pay any taxes...

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

And that was the day Zenon defeated the mighty Xenu.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

No, Xenu is Scientology's equivalent to Satan. He's responsible for trapping Thetans on Earth as people.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many, and before this battle was over, even a god-king can

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Bleed

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Fuck LRH and all his butt buddies

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

How nice of god Hubbard to copyright his bible so poors csn't be saved from Xenu

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

No, you need to be prepared for knowledge,or else your jaw will hurt, because humans descend from clams.And thethans will haunt you. /s

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Until 2056 anyway

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I hate Scientology... they killed CHEF (SouthPark). **The guy who voiced Chef (a member of sci.) quit after they made the Scientology ep**

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

I'm still pissed about this... I miss his chocolate salty balls...

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

And I just went and fudged your momma. They never caught on as much as his chocolate salty balls though.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Which is why they used old voiceclips in Chef's final episode :( I think I died a lil bit inside when Chef died :(

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

That was more Isaac Hayes being kind of a dick. "We'll make episodes making fun of every religion and you won't complain, but the instant>>

8 years ago | Likes 25 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 0

Chocolate salty balls*

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I heard that the cult did a lot of the thinking for him in regards to that if you catch my drift.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I heard the statement given wasn't his own, he was pretty sick. I mean he died two years later.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

I have to wonder if the CoS pressured him to leave after that, rather than it being a personal decision? Who knows

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Scientology stalked the creators of the show after that episode trying to dig up dirt. They found nothing. They were definately involved...

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Leah Remini needs to interview this guy for her show.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

As a Greek Swede with an interest in law this makes me all kinds of proud.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Hahah kör hårt! Rädda oss lata svenskar :D

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Pluggade juridik tidigare och har alltid varit stolt över offentlighetsprincipen.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Scientology is the EA of religions.

8 years ago | Likes 314 Dislikes 2

A slogan for change if I ever heard one.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I can't decide to which of them this is an insult, and to which this is praise.

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

It sounds more like Apple. Once you get entrenched in the culture, its difficult to leave.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 4

I was thinking, completely evil and their whole scheme is pay to play.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

One key difference: EA fucks you, Scientology kills you

8 years ago | Likes 66 Dislikes 1

After they drain you of every cent you can get.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Or gal

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

EA was also once semi-decent.

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Only if your a high profile guy

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Bumped into them when visiting Denmark and tried their "personality test" with a friend. We both will apperently fail in life. And for (1/?)

8 years ago | Likes 53 Dislikes 0

My boss went to Los Angeles on a business trip from Australia 40 years ago and did the personality test at the airport. 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

2/2 To this day they still regularly send hand written letters to him suggesting he join their “church”

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Damn hand written! He must have made a huge impression

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well, he never did tell us about the results of that test.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Shit an giggles I said that I will go to a psychologist instead of buying their book. they wanted me to buy the book so I could teach the

8 years ago | Likes 45 Dislikes 0

(they hate everything that involves psychology)

8 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

Probably because they use psychology themselves to fool people into joining them, and if you know their tricks they are far less effective

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

on you

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Precisely my thought. Would be fun to get a psychology scientist to pick the book apart

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Psychologist about the brain and then they turned aggressive when I turned it down.

8 years ago | Likes 37 Dislikes 0

Did you tell them "No thanks, ill just go get your book for free from Sweden"?

8 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 0

Had I known! The look on their faces would have been hilarious

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

The fact that they've seemed to get a foothold in Copenhagen sickens me. They have this huge building, advertisements on the street and...

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

They audit on plazas sometimes. They're vermin.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

They're dangerous scam-artists.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

They didn't say that they were from scientology only that it was a Oxford test. Only inside the building did we notice x) sneaky fuckers

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I would never have expected Denmark to fall for that shite.

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

I think only Copenhagen has a small concentration of those blithering idiots. Never met any of them anywhere in the country.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Scientology is free to buy a building in CPH just like any other religion. Its located there because of the geography, not cus of the Danes.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

To be clear, I hate their shit just as much as anyone. But we have freedom of religion. Cant discriminate because we dont like them.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Its L Ron Hubbard's fandom, not a religion.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

What if we could prove its a cult? (Because it is)

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Nor would I:( It's so sad and maddening. I spit at their building every time I bike past.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

So do they really teach about galactic empires etc crazy stuff in scientology?

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

Only if you pay enough. Thats secret until youre at the highest level.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Not until you get pretty high up, is my understanding. All the low-level people will deny any of that stuff being a part of it.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

They don't want people to read it, because it's too stupid. It turns people away. They want to sink their claws into your brain first.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

It used to be high in OT levels, that took like 200k $ to get.Now you can just watch that South Park episode

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Yepp, it's all in there!

8 years ago | Likes 29 Dislikes 0

Love that little dig at the Danish in there - no Swedish story is complete without one...

8 years ago | Likes 673 Dislikes 3

Well, only a dane would fall for that shit...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Your bait is insufficient ;)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Same with Norway :)

8 years ago | Likes 70 Dislikes 1

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8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yeah, Scientology is as small here as in Sweden. What he means is their big department in inner Copenhagen.

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Damn Danes.... Using my offentlighetsprincip

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 1

500 medlemmer i DK imod 3000 i Sverige - så LØGN

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Source?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/">erige">https://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/vielsesret-til-scientology-i-sverige og https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In ancient times back in Sweden you had to pay weregild (a fine) if you killed someone, the cost of killing a dane was only roughly a third.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Well, Danes have a law that says they can beat us with sticks, so we beat them with words, knowing they're to mush-mouthed to hit back.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Do they really? (I doubt the law, not that they try to talk with warm tomatoes in their mouths.)

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Oh I’m sure it exists. There are English laws that allow you to kill Welsh and Irish as longs as it’s with a longbow and you’re on a rampart

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

law was never formally invalidated. Sadly, I cannot find a proper reference to it, so it may just be folklore. (2/2)

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Pretty sure that one is bullshit...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And it's almost impossible to google, because I drown in links about hockey! life's not fair!

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I've read about an old law stating that any Dane seeing a swede cross the ice over Öresund must beat him with a stick, and that the (1/2)

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

If there’s 2 things I can’t stand it’s the intolerance of other cultures, and the Dutch!

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 2

"I'm one of the Danish Van Houtens! Not the Dutch Van Houtens..."

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Funny you should say that. Because in fact, Scientology is not recognized as a religion in Denmark. But it is in Sweeden.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

From what I know the Swedish state doesn't rate whatever a movement is a religion or not.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

Well I stand corrected! Although the status in Germany is "contested". And France seems to imply shifting status.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's also a difficult issue. Religious freedom is important.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

As a dane, i don't think we have that many luckily.

8 years ago | Likes 43 Dislikes 0

I think they might be "hidden". In Finland you won't see Scientologist often (or ever) but they have other associations they work through.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Last one I saw was a substance abuse help group.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Lucky! As an American in Florida, they essentially own the whole city adjacent to mine.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Also a dane, and I have never heard of Danish scientology

8 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 1

Their office is 150 m or so from Tivoli's main entrance.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Also a Dane here. Scientology had a bus billboard advert just before Christmas in 2017 running the majority of December.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

I went to one of their churches in Denmark, and nobody in it spoke Danish.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Nope, never met one either

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They have had a huge ad on the side of a building for years and years in Cph. Also, there are 2 Cph locations.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

And an abundance of “free stress tests” on the main shopping streets.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Searching for CoS on google maps shows 7 location near/around Copenhagen. Including the "Continental Liaison Office for Europe" in Glostrup

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Oh, and I forgot to mention that their European HQ is in Copenhagen, too.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Strange... but at least it is only on Sjælland. Im safe from their nonsens in north jutland. Only Jehovas up here =(

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The location at Nytorv 11 is actually the visitor/information centre.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Fuck scientology.

8 years ago | Likes 2890 Dislikes 5

OH YOU ARE SO SUED!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think this might be the best AND easiest way to farm upvotes :D

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

You'd have to be Trump Supporter stupid to believe in Scientology

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 13

Hello how are you? *hands you envelope* you have been served by Scientology. We will see you in court, or HELL!!

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Serving is not a thing here, sorry.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Indeed, bloody scammers. My Lizard Overlords would not be amused if I'd be selling the Holy Book of the Church of Reptilism for money.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

You have been officially served a cease and desist to remove this post, and delete your account or transfer to Scientology for 1000000000/y.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

With a long, Swedish, d... STICK.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Fuck scientology. Bullshit like theirs is going to usher in a new dark age of unreason.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Indeed.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

All hail Xenu

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I know a guy who put his entire savings into it, then when he had health problems they convenient decided he want worthy of their shit. 1/

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

They dumped him with no money and crazy medical debt. Now he lives in a room in his daughter's house wheelchair bound. With nothing 2/

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Else going on. He's made the best of living with his grandkids and became pretty optimistic, but his life was clearly ruined by evil people.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Fuck all religions!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

With a galactic empire-sized cactus.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Sir, those are the easiest fucking points you have ever made on this community

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I didn't realize it had spread outside of the US

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

You stole my comment but I upvote.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Hi would you like to join scientology? that'll be 5000$. why because scientology TOTALLY isn't a scam!

8 years ago | Likes 161 Dislikes 0

The shocker is, L Ron Hubbard, the founder of scientology fully admitted during his lifetime that it was a scam. He was all about the money.

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 0

"Truth is what truth is to you" - The Counsel of L. Ron.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

It isn’t even good science fiction

8 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 0

Agreed.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

they are starting to advertise through facebook in Ireland. i have flagged every ad ive seen so far as offensive.

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 0

Me too!!!!! I was like THIS IS A SCAAAAAAAM

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

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You want to fuck an ideas?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Here, here!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

b nice

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 68

NoOo

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

To Scientology?

8 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

That's just your Thetans talking. Or something...

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

I have a non Scientology thetan removal procedure for the low cost of 29.99$

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

That's sort of steep for a home enema, don't you think?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Under market value actually. Reinsertion is double

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Aye.

8 years ago | Likes 322 Dislikes 0

You know the difference between a pirate saying aye vs saying aye aye?

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Aye captain

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

Aye Aye captain

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

I can't hear you!

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

AY AY CAPTAAAAAIIIIN!!!!

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

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v

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

Im a firm believer in Star Wars *nods*

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Scientology is the actual Illuminati

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 24

No?

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

What has this to do with Illuminati?

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Did you read the article? They're not the actual Illuminati but they're not just a group of crazies, they just use the crazies for their $

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Wait, he's being sued by CoS for spreading the Bible of the CoS and making it easier to get at?

8 years ago | Likes 1214 Dislikes 4

One of many examples of how fucked up that religion is.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Because Scientology is a pyramid scheme and access to books about it is supposed to be a reward for giving them more money or recruits.

8 years ago | Likes 139 Dislikes 0

If you are exposed to the Xenu story too soon your body thetans explode or something causing you to become a psychologist probably.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It is kept secret so that people can take read the insanity until they are properly brainwashed to believe it. I'm sadly not kidding.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Scientology is pay to play. EVERYTHING costs money.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That’s affirmative. CoS just wants your $. That’s how they continue to thrive and pay for those fancy lawyers to exact their bidding.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah. CoS controls those books very closely. The whole thing reads like a Khan Academy Course. You go through the levels and 'learn more'.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

You have to be at a certain level of scientology magic to be allowed to read these texts as a member

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Becuase he was spreading copyrighted material.

8 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 2

Of course, because Scientology, like other shams, is an expensive book club cult more than it is a religion.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Important to note, he basically did the same thing to Scientology that Martin Luther did to Catholicism/Christianity except Martin Luther -

8 years ago | Likes 24 Dislikes 1

Actually believed the religion he outed the holy book of and just wanted to critique the monopoly the Catholic church had on faith.

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Yeah, vernacular bibles were a huuuuge deal back in the day.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

As a Catholic, most of us (not the hierarchy) like what he did. The Catholic Church at the time were way too big for their boots.

8 years ago | Likes 10 Dislikes 0

Exactly, holding a monopoly on basically anything comes misplaced pride, greed, and lower quality service. In a time when people are-

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Literally burned alive on the regular for not believing the right faith it's inevitable and necessary.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Yes. The "church" of Scientology don't actually want you to read their scripture. They know it's just fan fiction.

8 years ago | Likes 13 Dislikes 0

Yeah I’m with you on that on

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

they make you pay to be audited before you have the right to know. they think youll go crazy if you know too soon

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Basically he bypassed the DLC payment process for the religious equivalent of EA

8 years ago | Likes 48 Dislikes 0

Oh God, that's how I'm going to describe the Co$ to my gamer friends now.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Then proceeded to use the cheating lawsuit to make the DLC publicly available.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Because the church knows that the religion is ridiculous and that only brainwashed people would believe any of it

8 years ago | Likes 55 Dislikes 1

This. I think more than the pay to play they need control of the material to successfully brainwash new members.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

kind of the same principles at work here...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Scientology is a business, he's giving away their product for free.

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

That story is reserved for people that have already been brainwashed. Normal people hear about the Xenu stuff and turn tail

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Because the upper level stuff is seriously whack-a-doodle crazy fucktown stuff, and it takes years to brainwash people enough to buy it.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

its pay to win in religion form...want salvation or wtvr? pay up to unlock the prestige class with access to the text with instructions

8 years ago | Likes 266 Dislikes 0

All about the DLCs, man! Pay up to level up and get the goodies.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

According to history, this means we're up for a protestant reformation within the Church of Scientology. That should be fun.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

EA must own Scientology (or vice versa)

8 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 1

I want to upvote this, but it is currently at 42 points . Too appropriate! So much about EA becomes clear!

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Now this conspiracy theory I can believe.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Very good analogy, I've never heard it put that way.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

You have to pay thousands as a member to eventually see them.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Yes as it would be considered intellectual property.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Yes because it isn't a church, it's a pyramid scheme and he just gave away the secret manual.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

According to the Washington post, this was all reversed in 1997 :( couldn't share the link, too long and I don't know how to upload..

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

.. pictures in conversations.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

It is my understanding that much of it is kept secret until you pay to ascend the ranks or such.

8 years ago | Likes 1263 Dislikes 1

Religious DLC! P2W model? ROFL.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

OT level 3 I believe. They will tell you Xenu is not in their beliefs in OT levels 1 and 2, but reveal it when you’re already in the hole.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

And after having thoroughly indoctrinating you so you don't question the more outlandish bits.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Lootboxes, FTW!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Then how did this guy get the whole book? Are Scientologists really that lazy?

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Seems like he could have made a TON of money blackmailing the CoS.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Says he got it off a Swedish server. Sounds like it was unsecured and/or he hacked it.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Sounds like you need the DLC to progress

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

microtransactions...can you imagine if any other church asked for money in exchange for favors...or asked for a percentage of your income???

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

I think you will find that this was the backbone of the catholic church for many centuries...

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, I thought I was laying the sarcasm on pretty heavily. My great grandfather was offered the chance to buy his wife out of purgatory.

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Seriously? (The grandfather buying wife out of purgatory part)

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah, they can't have you knowing about the absurdity of their religion until you've got two feet in the boat.

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Scientology... if the pay2win "mechanic" from videogames went into Religion.

8 years ago | Likes 44 Dislikes 0

A bit like EA

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 2

Wait, what do they win?

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

another page of the text

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ranks, titles, and levels. All of which you have to pay for. I wish we could do it like Germany and ban the fucking thing as a bad business.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

After paying literally thousands and thousands. It’s a cult for profit.

8 years ago | Likes 538 Dislikes 2

The EA of "religion"

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Oh, nice one !

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Those days you just release a game with loot boxes!

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Completely different than tithing, yes...not like the Catholic church hoarding billions of dollars at all. They're *all* for profit.

8 years ago | Likes 22 Dislikes 12

But you'll have a hard time finding a church as evil as the Church of Scientology. And yes, this includes the Spanish Inquisition too.

8 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 1

Really? I'm pretty sure the Catholic church's done more against safe legal abortions and AIDS prevention than Scientology. Evil is relative.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 4

Also that whole protecting child molesters thing.

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 1

I always find it fascinating to watch documentaries where you can see the cult leaders. And I try to look at them and wonder what goes on in

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

That person's mind, like he must laugh himself silly about how it's possible that he can tell these people such an insane story and get rich

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Off of it. And then I always want to catch them lose their guard but they never do of course.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Same could be said for every sort of religion, I'm an agnostic myself, so I'm not "for" any variation of any religion

8 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 17

Too general. Non believer myself. Some good does escape the rot.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Well, any ideology can be turned into means of profit because we humans like to do that, though luckily not all have done so.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Ah, that's the missing info I needed. Why would any religion not want their word spreading like wildfire? When you have to pay for it.

8 years ago | Likes 120 Dislikes 0

1 Another part of it is that it's clearly stupid and people who aren't groomed by the church for years

8 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

2 (while paying the church the entire time) will instantly realize how batshit insane it is.

8 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Because when you finally read it, you realize just how fucking stupid it all is. I heard when Tom Cruise was finally permitted to read it 1/

8 years ago | Likes 84 Dislikes 1

By then you're so invested, you're psychologically likely to accept.

8 years ago | Likes 16 Dislikes 0

2/2 political parallels.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1/2 Bingo. You'd feel like an idiot at that point to admit the absurdity. Easier for ego to just go with it. There are boil-them-by-degrees

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

he almost left the church because he couldn't accept it.

8 years ago | Likes 70 Dislikes 0

I almost wonder if he didnt because they wouldnt let him.

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

Whatta dink.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I'm sure his taped confession of his sins kept him loyal even when his doubts didn't

8 years ago | Likes 21 Dislikes 0

Him and Travolta get treated like gods in the church, I'm sure that allows them room for rationalization.

8 years ago | Likes 53 Dislikes 0

Because they need to build up the cognitive dissonance a bit beforehand so that your sucker will take it in without laughing.

8 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 0

Scientology is what you get if EA were to found a religion. For $60 you get the title, but each paragraph of the book is an extra $14.99

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Because it's a cult, not a religion. The main difference being that most information in the cult is withheld until you level up or pay in.

8 years ago | Likes 36 Dislikes 0

Sounds a bit like EA

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 1

This... sounds a bit like a mobage D=

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I don't know what that is.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Im swedish and i actually went "under cover" as a school project and went on a few meetings. Sad, fooled people everywhere.

8 years ago | Likes 454 Dislikes 3

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8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

You might like to try the podcast "oh no ross and carrie" they have a great multi part undercover investigation if you want to compare

8 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Oh shit i just made the same comment! ONRAC4LYFE

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Nice!! Fantastic show, great chemistry, interesting topics and a horribly hummable theme song

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

sounds like a religion

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

You, and any other Swede, should listen to P3 Dokumentär about him. It's hilarious

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

I did the same but just outta curiosity, they were tryin to sell hard too. Hell they wanted me to join em full time. I just left.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

I was under the impression that one can't leave the church. They are being blackmailed or something so they wouldn't resign.

8 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 1

A friend tried to leave recently, "suddenly" a girl (from the church) wanted to marry him and he stayed.

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

HBO had a documentary called Going Clear. They mentioned 'squirrel busters' are teams that harass anyone who tries to leave.

8 years ago | Likes 35 Dislikes 0

Sounds like he never signed anything, but went to seminars and such where they were recruiting.

8 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Leah Remini is an American actor that has left Scientology and has been pretty vocal about their tactics. Forcing church friends /1

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

and family/loved ones to break contact is a big first stage. /2

8 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Sounds like any and all religions...

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Yeah, and sports, and life...

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

Secret societies want to keep their holy books secret, most religions want everyone everywhere to read their holy books.

8 years ago | Likes 20 Dislikes 1

And yet many people dont understand their religions

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

That is true, atheists/agnostics score higher on religious literacy tests than most religious groups.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Christians - were supposed to love and forgive, meanwhile - many think their religions is good explanation for hate of others, its not.

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I think we need to hear some stories.

8 years ago | Likes 193 Dislikes 0

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8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I spoke lenghty to a 30 y/o dude there, he had to pull 3 jobs to be able to pay for the level he was at. To gain more knowlege, he would 1/2

8 years ago | Likes 27 Dislikes 0

have to make even more money. He was like in some kind of trance, longing for more and deeper knowledge.

8 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 0

Also, i would take tests, to see if i was suitable to become one of them. "Do you ever feel tired, do you ever feel out of place".

8 years ago | Likes 18 Dislikes 0

Autodots, roll out!

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Not from OP but you might want to check out the podcast "oh no ross and carrie" they have a good multipart undercover investigation

8 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Think right wing fanboys. They believe everything if you just say it right. "You can breath on the moon but you aren't allowed on the moon"

8 years ago | Likes 47 Dislikes 15

Think ANY fanboys.* I mean, not just politics, any subject. People will believe objectively false things all over the place. E.g. anti-vax

8 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

Ergo: because we aren't allowed on the moon, it's possible that you can breath on the moon. The government lies to us daily. (Stupid stuff)

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Well, now I feel obligated to point out that the people the government has allowed on the moon had no trouble breathing. In space suits.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

they put chemicals in the water to turn the fricken frogs gay?

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I would love a post on this.

8 years ago | Likes 52 Dislikes 0

Going Clear is excellent. As is Leah Ramini's interview on Joe Rogan's podcast.

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I don't think it would stay up long, a British reporter done a documentary on CoS ,scary stuff

8 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Really??? Interesting.

8 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

There has been 2 ,one was with Lois through (?) ,But the one I was on about is by another British fella

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

The doc was scary or what happened to him for doing the doc was scary?

8 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

What happened was scary, it's wasn't Lois , it's was a balding heavyish fella

8 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Both

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Louis theroux was the journalist

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