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Crockpotseal
They have the right in Canada. Or at least in Ontario. For like...20 years or longer.
sexualharassments
I dont know, but I think we should practice in private in case they do
BlargoBopolis
It's legal in Ottawa. Still no one does it.
OnlyTheReactionGifOfElijahWoodSayingTerrific
KetamineMoose
You know that worst that not-good looking tits? not-good looking man-tits.. please cover your fat and hairy man-tits
Rfs103181
It's absolute madness that in America you can show someone getting their brain bashed in with a bat but god forbid there's a nip-slip.
dietderpsy
Puritans
TheDeanofLean
Breast feeding in public fine so this should be too. But I worry about perverts and the "they had it coming with the way they dress" people
So I'm more worried about what other people might do to them not the women themselves. Some people are just animals
Nattodesu
Anywhere men can, absolutely. Picking your kid up from high school? Probably best everyone keeps their clothes on.
jakethetao
For sure they should. We need to grow tf up and stop making everything about sex. It's like "oh, we retain our modesty and dignity, but here
A huge pair of tits in a bikini on a billboard to sell Coors" a thin layer of cloth isn't saving anyone's morality imo. It's just tits.
crawlingeye
It's just a tit. Who cares? Wear whatever you want, let others wear what they want.
SharkyMcSnarkface
Pretty sure smearing the corpse of a tit on yourself is a good boundry.
justforthisonecomment
Should men? Moobs are gross
narcoleptiKnickers
Beach - ok. Supermarket, bus stop, Denny's? No. No one should have that right.
LieutenantGordon
Absolutely. But thanks to stupid people it should be emphasized that it doesn't mean you can touch them without asking >:/
ChaoticNeutralNecromancer
I think when it's really hot outside or when going to the beach, yes. walking topless for no reason, man or woman, is impudent.
leroy666
Oh no; nor Impudent.
Outlavv
They already do in canada
AnonPig
There's no rules! *starts taking off shirt* (put your shirt back on!) There's one rule....
pukeachew
I say "put your shirt back on!" In that voice way too often and no one gets it!!!! So frustrating bc I loved this
unownlanguage
Fatties can keep it on?
LordStarkillerHimself
The Farm remembers
timemarcheson
This guy/girl!!
BiggestofBears
Little Caesar had the best commercials.
Neyxx
If man can go topless women can go topless if one of the sexes is not allowed, both shall be forbidden. Easy questing easy answer.
Also im disgusted by man walking topless no matter their body type, so I wouldn't mind to just make it both illegal altogether.
linustheman
unaskedtabitha
The right? Yes. Will I? No. Do I care if others do? Not really.
tooomanysteves
Yes, anywhere that a man is allowed to be topless then a woman should be allowed too. So, beaches and swimming pools.
LouderThanGodsRevolverAndTwiceAsShiny
Fun fact: German law states that only men can be indicted for exhibitionism. For nude women, it's indecent behaviour at most.
JeffreyBarter
what about your public saunas and nude beaches?
birdscribbles
what exactly does that mean? that men can't go topless, or that they can't wave their wang around?
LemonyVengeance
playing devil's advocate here, but isn't that... sexist?
According to today's standards... No, that would be a no.
"todays standards" =! common sense, it seems.
HandoB4Javert
Never bothered most women on the planet. http://www.historyandheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/nationalgeographichh2.png
protostar777
Yeah, but it's a cultural thing
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
Dayum, those are some saggy fun bags! Is this what life without a bra brings?
In 1893 it was all the rage.
MasterMirror
It is legal to be completely naked in public in the UK. People just don't seem to do it.
TedTheMan
Have you seen the english.
I am English and point taken, you savage +1
Sorry couldn't pass it up.
schroeder
It's legal for both men and women to be topless in Toronto.
only90skidswillgetthis
*Canada
Oh, I didn't know it was federal. Good to know!
imgurdmf
sure but 90% of the places i live near will refuse service do to no shirt just like they do to males.
Refusing service to a topless woman would be the result of the patriarchy. Don't you know how victim mentality works? Duh
AgressorBunx
Cant tell if sarcasm, or just completely retarded....
Sarcasm
Ijustwannagohomeandeatcalzones
Too late now buddy
Haven't they heard the Kenny Chesney libertarian song about clothing rights: "no shoes, no shirt, no problems"?
PuppyDontCare
Seems fair.
TheImageDumpersCC
Why not, it doesn't hurt anyway, I wouldn't do it, but I also won't wear shorts so you know.
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
doesnt it? really? come back when you are shaking from shock and anger and sadness over having been looked at like a steak on a buffet.
You don't have to do it moron, if it makes you uncomfortable (as it would for me) don't do it. Simple.
its not what i wear that makes me uncomftorable, its how people treat me. so fuck no, its their actions who will have to change, not mine.
No it's not if you dont like something dont do it it's that easy no one is forcing you grow the fuck up. Women like you make us all look bad
again, i have no problem with what i myself do, however i have a massive problem with how others act, because they behave as hungry animals.
Me neither. My enormous penis falls out and hits my knees... yea! That's the ticket!
bachaway
'Whoops I dropped my monster condom for my magnum dong.' Sorry that's all I could think of when I read your comment
Ah yeah...so does my...enormous cunt flaps...I...I'm not good at this.
Ha! Can you use them like bats wings and fly?
I-Is that not normal? Can't we all do that?
Sadly I was lady circumsized
xLickMyCritx
Yes, but they cant complain when people look. Just like men dont complain when people look at there bellys hangin out
yes you can, bc staring at people is rude, and something you can go up and confront someone over. you cant justify your glare by the fact 1/
that you like what you see, that just makes matters worse. people are not buffets for the eyes, they are not objects. so yes, 2/
you can complain when others treat you as if you are.
Superfuntime
People love boobs and are gonna look at them no matter what your feminist sosiology teacher tells you. Getting offended doesn't change that.
do you mean simply glance, or stare? because guess what, you have no right to stare at anyone. ever. and people "gonna" have to get a grip.
SagetandBrulesCHUDtaxidermy
Whatcha ya lookin' at my gut fer?
JamieSmyth
Maybe the real discussion should be about making men cover up?
spoodermun
Their*
Zombles
OUTLAW COMPLAINING
NotAnIroningBoard
IShouldBeDoingHomeworkBut
I was just reading where it says Vancooouver
SirBaldrick
Dirty burgers
JamesReynolds
Yes they should have ti right like a man
stormegedendarklordofall
If they are sexual about it, no. If they act like a normal person, yes. If the area has laws against men going without a shirt, no.
What does that mean?
sunlight
Men could be sexual about their moobs and we let them walk around with them out
What would YOU do if a man was acting sexual about is boobs.
Probably laugh. Just like I would if a woman did.
And how would you react then if the person being harassed called the police?
I wasn't talking about being harassed. I was talking about someone being overly sexual about their bare chest. If some dummy is out there
oprahslovechild
Who desides what is sexual?
Whomever writes the version of the law that is pasted. Or whomever wrote the definition used by said law.
thegrimcoder
I agree, and I would argue the picture above has sexual undertones.
BenderBenderBender
Is it the duckface?
Definitely
astrogeek
I don't see it. They are standing topless. It's not sexual but maybe in the eye of the beholder…
Topless, arching backs, duck lips for one of the ladies, if they were standing around just chating, not sexual, but they are showing off.
liesuponlies
Many girls just pose for their photos with duck lips and frankly duck lips aren't very sexy
bamboolemur
How about if a guy acted all sexual about having his shirt off?
Then he should be charged with sexual harassment.
If I want to walk around at the beach and flex my abs, I should be able to! That doesn't count as harassment.
If your doing it in a sexual nature, no you should not. But otherwise, go ahead.
1) How do you determine what type of ab flexing is sexual? 2) In instances when you have deemed it sexual, how does it hurt/harass others?
eion85
Define "sexual", and men can't be sexual with just their shirts off?
Well, men can be. And if they go to far they get arrested. What I mean by is if they are intentionally topless just to draw attention.
So if a woman has a really short skirt to draw sexual attention is that wrong too?
No, but if you are rubbing up against a guy and he says stop then that's wrong.
Well yeah, so clothes are not the issue. They'd be in trouble for rubbing not for wearing/not wearing clothes.
PartiallyShavedSasquatch
How so? I mean, you can't just be out tweaking your nipples at people, but other than that guys have carte blanche
I can't find a single case of a shirtless man being arrested for such an act.
My point being unless you're harrasing someone you won't be bothered as a male, so why are females different?
That seems like a really hard law to enforce fairly given current cultural attitudes.
DSVII
It's legal in NY
puffinsrmybag2000
NY ruined the best part of its self :boobs
Topher4570
And in TX
JStengah
And in ME
afartnSpartan
It's legal in my old college town. Or at least that's what people said. Could be a very well-spread lie.
Jamerperson
Within Seattle city limits too.
godzilladc
And in DC.
nnythemaniac
Legal in Austin, Texas.
kirchosaurusrex
Legal in Columbus
Lythar
Is it really?
Sporkeldee
All of Ohio actually. But it's only the ones you don't want to see that do it.
RanaldMcDanald
In Texas it's legal to be nude in public as long as you don't show any reproductive organs.
So you can show butt hole?
You cannot show butt hole. That falls under genitals. Breasts do not.
Unless you shit out babies then it's legal.
[deleted]
Vermont is closer. In Vermont you can be nude in public, but it is illegal to take your clothes off in public.
theSpeciaIist
hm kinda makes the whole discussion moot. it is legal and yet still..
gotta keep em separated
dursland
The discussion is not moot when women get arrested for doing it where it's legal. They later win court cases and such but still. Google it.
but still what they took it to court didnt they
BennyAndTheJetstream
It is in Canada too...since like 96?
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Not everywhere in Canada. But in Ontario it is.
I like Canada more now.
lilmisswhogivesahoot
Yeah I remember a few years back three woman were biking topless in Ontario (?) and kept having cops stop them...
LeeDee16
I remember this being a big deal when I was a kid. I have yet to see a woman exercise this right, though.
I do all the time
Comes in handy for breastfeeding. There are people who threaten to call the cops on breastfeeding women. If being topless is legal, then /1
there's nothing they can do. /2
I admit that as a woman without kids, I've never thought of this. Thanks for posting.
No problem. I only realized it when I had kids. It's legal here, and made me feel much more secure when I had to breastfeed in public.
Cybergirl57
I've seen a few on public beaches. Not often tho
It's definitely not socially acceptable yet; which is why I usually go to the nude beach (I live in Toronto).
I should clarify that I'm a woman, so the above comment doesn't sound creepy!!!
TheMightyMoto
Sure, but with the understanding that some people will look and stare.
thuggswearuggs
So why can't I have my dick out?
inzane
I agree with this, lets make it solid
Fatherdoodle
For some women, all people would look and star.
Gasnia
You mean like when women wear a low cut top but complain that people are staring?
JustSomeRandomMan
Boobs are nothing special. I mean i have a pair of tits that are just annoying. Mainly because i am a man...shit
BonkyMcSignFace
"Some"
Simusar
It's the fact that women's breasts were made into something that should be hidden that makes people stare.
bamblebimble
Yup
It's been shown in African tribes that were previously undiscovered, that women's breasts weren't sexual, they were normal.
AllBoobsAreGreat
I second this.
FiercePufferFish
I mean. I'll accept that. They move. Movement draws the eye. (Also, boobs are great)
dancingbyherself
it'd get old after the mystery and fascination is gone
Wrong
SlavaIlin
Word. I know that I'm staring
IAgreeWithThis
I agree with this
I know someone that was drunk, needed to pee, buddy pulled over so he could pee on roadside, 12a in a neighborhood, cop sees, convicted SexO
Vazhox
Ever action has a reaction.
nokittythatsabadkitty
twentyfourcharacterslong
Fat people are counted in this equation as well.
MinorClarification
That's a risk we need to take
boobphysicist
except hot girls would'nt do it mostly fat people
Risks for you, exciting times for others.
SaintOfBloodletting
It's legal in NYC
OfficialSponsor
It's odd that it isn't in California
TalkingSnake
People stare anyway.
pirate4lifes
Not... to the same degree
forgetthisnoise
I Have dd-e cups. I'm not worried about being stared at more, I'm worried about people hurting their eyes
Dragon10449
Roughly how big is that in fruit? I don't know boob sizes, all I knows is the fruit chart...not wanting pics, don't want to be creepy...
Uhh about a large cantaloupe and a half each.
At first there would be more staring because it's new. But then it'll go back to the regular staring.
Cats stare more. Often at invisible dimensions, but they do stare more.
GoodForYouu
This guy knows whats up, lets follow this fucker!
ImNotReallyADoctor
Why not? Women stare when a man with a saucy set of abs and pectorals go topless...
motherfluffer
Shit if it's a less than saucy man people stare too.
kissmyassets
Yes. Can't help it.
pugofstardock
They stare at wobbly me also. With a different expression and dialing 911
Riddick11
What type of sauce would you say looks best?
EmmaLovesCuddles
This. +1
Fuck, men stare when a man has saucy abs
GomuGomuNope
Let’s just agree that the Greeks knew what they were doing when they picked the ideal form.
mynewcharacter
Yeah, whenever I see an attractive guy I'm like, dammit, why can't I be pretty like that.
rubbarz
"damn bro, how much you bench"
houtaku
I know I do. 'Fuck. Why is his stomach slathered in hollandaise sauce? Was he just eating a shitton of eggs Benedict?'
NoodleDriver
Benidict Eggsonabs
NotACanadian
Everybody's gotta mire
TheEmperorOfMankind40000
Yea, like "Fuck I'm fat."
Aimanfire
r/me_irl
FlyingScotsman27
I accidentally snorted part of the ice cream cone I am eating when I read that.
Or the old "I could have that....if I wanted to. But I don't want to"
TypicalGayMan
Or "Is fuck that but I don't know if he's gay too"
blackguard89
So you are saying Jason Momoa is not attractive no matter sexual orientation then? BURN THE HEATHEN!
ihavebeenbanned10timesforspammingthatstupidparrot
It's been legal in Canada for years but I've never seen or heard a girl doing it
Mrtonypjs
Its too cold
XavierIbanez
Unlike stereotypical Canadian weather, our summers here get to a good 30 degrees Celsius (where I live). Some places have the same as NYC
If 0 (32 f) is freezing, 100 (212 f) is boiling, and 36 C (98.6 f) is body temp, you can easily estimate weather in both.
PrismZet
It's like 34c right now in Winnipeg, coincidentally we also have the like -45c weather too
yourmomisminenow
It's embarassing, well I dunno, I suppose it is.
ReverendJ
Even though you said Celsius I still interpreted it as Fahrenheit.
BoofBoofPass
Well knock it off
That's like 80 90s in freedom units
iPretend
Boobs are sexually stimulating by our biology not our culture. Telling us to not sexualize boobs is just stupid.
Take it of. I will HARDly enjoy it at all.
BionicToad
You have never been to Africa then...
I have been to Kenya and guess what? Dem boys love titties too!
rosiethereaver
Source? Because there are a lot of cultures that seem to contradict that.
Look up the evolution a human breast tissue. We are the only Ape to maintain large breasts outside of reproduction.
We are also the only hominid to stand upright at all times. does this mean anything? Maybe, but Correlation =/= Causation.
Yes, but there is more than one theory as to why that's the case. There's no compelling evidence one way or another, and the fact that 1/
some cultures do not sexualize the breasts suggests that they did not evolve for that purpose. Here's an alternative theory: 2/
itsokayimadoctor
They may say that they don't sexualize breasts on the sense that they respect a womans right to let them free. But that doesnt mean they 1/
Fishticuffs
There is no consensus about why human breasts are the way they are. Your paper states the same.
http://www.academia.edu/1827492/Evolutionary_perspectives_on_permanent_breast_enlargement_in_human_females
Thank you for this.
Wobbixx
How the hell are they sexually stimulating by nature? They're used for feeding young, not creating them...
HopeHubris
Except there are also people that prefer more slender bodies, there is no universal "most attractive" with humans
MoreLikeLawlSchool
There's no universal most attractive, but we find attributes attractive due to biology.
The real question is why humans are the only apes with permanently enlarged breasts
Iputthebestinbestiality
Because they're the best!
Salpinus
All that "excess" fat wouldn't be there without a purpose...
astrangehop
Babies don't have snouts to allow for a bigger braincase. It's so they don't smother.
What?
Lots of things happen without a purpose, as long as they're not actively detrimental
Biologist here. Fuck "lots of things happen without a purpose". Theyre heavy, in the way etc. They're more than just foodbags.
jonestown
How about photos? I don't see any reason to ban being topless but there are a lot of creeps out there.
tops on or off, creeps are still creeps.l
infernalspectre
So if they understood that and still wanted to go top less why not?
If it is a public place people have the right to take photos without permission as long as they aren't used for profit
IllusivePanda
I don't know why you are being down voted, you are correct that there is no expectation of privacy in public places
thisnameistaken
I think it would be a different case if they were the subject of the photo. Not just the background.
Nope, even a private spy webcam is fine. As long as it doesn't record audio. I've read some fucked up stories about that bit.
Nope. I was a punk kid with a mohawk and people took pictures all the time. Never asked and i hated it, but it was my choice to hawk it up.
tinytyrant
have a look but don't stare.. unless that person is requesting you to stare. psa:staring is just fucking weird you sick staring ass cunts.
Newoneiguess1
How to lose all your points in one comment chain 101:
Why the hell would someone say "ey stare at me fam"
HumorLeech
As long as it's just staring, and not verbal or physical harassment, they're perfectly within their rights, just like you are. 2/?
You'll just have to accept that some people aren't able to not be creepy. Maybe don't target everyone who IS being respectful in your 3/?
Sometimes you can't help it though. Like when you see a car crash.
XFMR
Haha. Sometimes it is literally like looking at a car crash. It's so terrible you have to look to make sure.
have a look, sure. driving? don't slow down, maintain speed if safe and gtfo there. don't stare. don't create traffic jams, you cunts.
bwendan
Sounds perfect in theory but it never actually works out that way.
Nccoffee
Hey man I waited 2 hours in traffic to get to the wreck, I'll have a fucking tea party up there if I want
If you have the right to dress provocatively or go topless as a woman, people have the right to oggle as weirdos. It's how it works. 1/?
You have the *right*, doesn't make it less of a creep thing to do
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodVillain
I'll stare at whomever I damn well want. And if they give me a dirty look, I shall stare at them more creepily.
TonyTin
Going full kanye
Tassyr
A faint hint of a grin with possibly the tip of your tongue poking from between your teeth REALLY fucks with peoples' heads.
TaintJuicer
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha
rant about those few who aren't being respectful. Don't generalize men, just like you ask not to be mistreated. It goes both ways. 4/?(4)
yep, agree. also, if you stare, at any person, that person (and other judgemental cunts like me) have the right to call you a weirdo.
as a dude, in my opinion you downvotey cunts are fuckin' weirdos, too.
Yatengaki
Idk he would make boobs less sexy and exciting to see them 24/7
EitherImRightOrYoureWrong
Damn this unwanted yet inevitable fact
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Not to mention, the eventual sagging problems
That one is still up for debate. We're not sure how much is nature and how much is nurture.
How about back problems?
Cannonberry
Still not sure whether you stunt the muscles by wearing a bra. If you don't wear a bra, you may not get that pain in the first place
There's only one way to tell.
OldEricCool
If the logic is that female breasts are not necessarily sexual, then would public toplessness extend to girls of all ages? If the answer 1/2
ZeroHedge
Very nuanced discussion. I believe if you could Socrates up an ideal society, then toplessness wouldn't matter regarding age or sex. But 1/2
Now that we live in a society where the stigma does exist for underage women, it would be difficult to implement. 2/2
ChrisMendez123
Interesting point
hblb229
What I think is weird is that people give me a hard time for letting my 5 year old not wear a shirt when she doesn't want to when playing.
Like, wtf is wrong with you people!?!
is no, then clearly they must be considered sexual, even to those in support of public toplessness. I'm curious to see what people think.2/2
hahah dude you do realize most young girls do walk around "topless", right?
zoool
Dude that is a REALLY good point. Nice +1
Alicecold
I am curious what age you believe it'll be not ok? There is not really much difference between boobs and boobs and not boobs, really.
GoIIum
I'd be okay with living in a world where being topless is accepted for all ages and sexes but I think it might be difficult to jump there 1/
Clothes are, in many circumstances a social construct.There are, after all, only two basic models( more or less). Get over body consciousness. Wear em if you wish; or not!
from where we are now with female beasts being so sexualized in most cultures. An intermediate step could be to restrict by age first.
Dustbina
Male abs and pecs are also quite sexualized, despite how much people ignore the fact. Surely this can be applied to adolescent boys etc too
crookednixon
True, but so are female thighs. And those CAN be shown in public, so I think degrees matter here.
Kids don't usually get abs and pecs.
I knew several boys with very adult bodies from ages 13-16, who were pretty ripped too.
leekyfaucet
They don't usually get tits either
I don't know, girls usually get them pretty young.
JonathanHoag
At least where I'm from (SE USA) it is acceptable for prepubescent girls to be topless, because breasts are sexual and little girls are not.
Also I realized that when I was a kid it was really common to see men without shirts but it's really uncommon now and I wonder why.
So if we're going to say that breasts are not sexual then we're just extending topless freedom to all ages.
ah, and from the 70s up until the 00s, this was completely normal in Norway, by women of all ages. And no, the women were not sexualized.
izoli413365
Norway knows best, or maybe places like Pakistan have it right where ppl throw acid on women who dare refuse men, then get persecuted for it
moosehugger
Breasts will be sexual here, its too ingrained in our society atm. These laws are about equal rights, even rights most people may not use.
TheTitan94
Here's my take on the whole ingrained thing. If my gf touches my nipples I get nothing. If I touch hers she gets off. Waaaaay off.
So I don't think it's society as much as human anatomy just makes nipples on a woman seem alot more sensitive
rayvn
That's just natural variation tho...my nipples (female) do nothing at all for me, I've been with a couple guys who say theirs feel amazing
MeezerStandardTime
In countries where women bare their breasts, the children go topless too. Here people would take pictures and post on adult websites...
spetcnaz
I have yet to see a country where women openly walk topless on the streets.
People don't normally walk around topless on the street. Men, women and children would go topless at beaches and pools. Why not?
grobesviech
Beaches in Spain have a lot of topless women and girls
Those are special areas, and not the norm. People who enjoy seeing bare breasts go to those beaches for that reason.
Those are "special places" where people don't to wear much clothing, yes.... we aren't talking about supermarkets.
Crockpotseal
They have the right in Canada. Or at least in Ontario. For like...20 years or longer.
sexualharassments
I dont know, but I think we should practice in private in case they do
BlargoBopolis
It's legal in Ottawa. Still no one does it.
OnlyTheReactionGifOfElijahWoodSayingTerrific
KetamineMoose
You know that worst that not-good looking tits? not-good looking man-tits.. please cover your fat and hairy man-tits
Rfs103181
It's absolute madness that in America you can show someone getting their brain bashed in with a bat but god forbid there's a nip-slip.
dietderpsy
Puritans
TheDeanofLean
Breast feeding in public fine so this should be too. But I worry about perverts and the "they had it coming with the way they dress" people
TheDeanofLean
So I'm more worried about what other people might do to them not the women themselves. Some people are just animals
Nattodesu
Anywhere men can, absolutely. Picking your kid up from high school? Probably best everyone keeps their clothes on.
jakethetao
For sure they should. We need to grow tf up and stop making everything about sex. It's like "oh, we retain our modesty and dignity, but here
jakethetao
A huge pair of tits in a bikini on a billboard to sell Coors" a thin layer of cloth isn't saving anyone's morality imo. It's just tits.
crawlingeye
It's just a tit. Who cares? Wear whatever you want, let others wear what they want.
SharkyMcSnarkface
Pretty sure smearing the corpse of a tit on yourself is a good boundry.
justforthisonecomment
Should men? Moobs are gross
narcoleptiKnickers
Beach - ok. Supermarket, bus stop, Denny's? No. No one should have that right.
LieutenantGordon
Absolutely. But thanks to stupid people it should be emphasized that it doesn't mean you can touch them without asking >:/
ChaoticNeutralNecromancer
I think when it's really hot outside or when going to the beach, yes. walking topless for no reason, man or woman, is impudent.
leroy666
Oh no; nor Impudent.
Outlavv
They already do in canada
AnonPig
There's no rules! *starts taking off shirt* (put your shirt back on!) There's one rule....
pukeachew
I say "put your shirt back on!" In that voice way too often and no one gets it!!!! So frustrating bc I loved this
unownlanguage
Fatties can keep it on?
LordStarkillerHimself
The Farm remembers
timemarcheson
This guy/girl!!
BiggestofBears
Little Caesar had the best commercials.
Neyxx
If man can go topless women can go topless if one of the sexes is not allowed, both shall be forbidden. Easy questing easy answer.
Neyxx
Also im disgusted by man walking topless no matter their body type, so I wouldn't mind to just make it both illegal altogether.
linustheman
unaskedtabitha
The right? Yes. Will I? No. Do I care if others do? Not really.
tooomanysteves
Yes, anywhere that a man is allowed to be topless then a woman should be allowed too. So, beaches and swimming pools.
LouderThanGodsRevolverAndTwiceAsShiny
Fun fact: German law states that only men can be indicted for exhibitionism. For nude women, it's indecent behaviour at most.
JeffreyBarter
what about your public saunas and nude beaches?
birdscribbles
what exactly does that mean? that men can't go topless, or that they can't wave their wang around?
LemonyVengeance
playing devil's advocate here, but isn't that... sexist?
SharkyMcSnarkface
According to today's standards... No, that would be a no.
LemonyVengeance
"todays standards" =! common sense, it seems.
HandoB4Javert
Never bothered most women on the planet. http://www.historyandheadlines.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/nationalgeographichh2.png
protostar777
Yeah, but it's a cultural thing
Ihavewaytoomanyfavoritestosort
Dayum, those are some saggy fun bags! Is this what life without a bra brings?
HandoB4Javert
In 1893 it was all the rage.
MasterMirror
It is legal to be completely naked in public in the UK. People just don't seem to do it.
TedTheMan
Have you seen the english.
MasterMirror
I am English and point taken, you savage +1
TedTheMan
Sorry couldn't pass it up.
schroeder
It's legal for both men and women to be topless in Toronto.
only90skidswillgetthis
*Canada
schroeder
Oh, I didn't know it was federal. Good to know!
imgurdmf
sure but 90% of the places i live near will refuse service do to no shirt just like they do to males.
Crockpotseal
Refusing service to a topless woman would be the result of the patriarchy. Don't you know how victim mentality works? Duh
AgressorBunx
Cant tell if sarcasm, or just completely retarded....
Crockpotseal
Sarcasm
Ijustwannagohomeandeatcalzones
Too late now buddy
ImgursLibertarian
Haven't they heard the Kenny Chesney libertarian song about clothing rights: "no shoes, no shirt, no problems"?
PuppyDontCare
Seems fair.
TheImageDumpersCC
Why not, it doesn't hurt anyway, I wouldn't do it, but I also won't wear shorts so you know.
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
doesnt it? really? come back when you are shaking from shock and anger and sadness over having been looked at like a steak on a buffet.
TheImageDumpersCC
You don't have to do it moron, if it makes you uncomfortable (as it would for me) don't do it. Simple.
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
its not what i wear that makes me uncomftorable, its how people treat me. so fuck no, its their actions who will have to change, not mine.
TheImageDumpersCC
No it's not if you dont like something dont do it it's that easy no one is forcing you grow the fuck up. Women like you make us all look bad
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
again, i have no problem with what i myself do, however i have a massive problem with how others act, because they behave as hungry animals.
ImgursLibertarian
Me neither. My enormous penis falls out and hits my knees... yea! That's the ticket!
bachaway
'Whoops I dropped my monster condom for my magnum dong.' Sorry that's all I could think of when I read your comment
TheImageDumpersCC
Ah yeah...so does my...enormous cunt flaps...I...I'm not good at this.
ImgursLibertarian
Ha! Can you use them like bats wings and fly?
TheImageDumpersCC
I-Is that not normal? Can't we all do that?
ImgursLibertarian
Sadly I was lady circumsized
xLickMyCritx
Yes, but they cant complain when people look. Just like men dont complain when people look at there bellys hangin out
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
yes you can, bc staring at people is rude, and something you can go up and confront someone over. you cant justify your glare by the fact 1/
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
that you like what you see, that just makes matters worse. people are not buffets for the eyes, they are not objects. so yes, 2/
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
you can complain when others treat you as if you are.
Superfuntime
People love boobs and are gonna look at them no matter what your feminist sosiology teacher tells you. Getting offended doesn't change that.
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
do you mean simply glance, or stare? because guess what, you have no right to stare at anyone. ever. and people "gonna" have to get a grip.
SagetandBrulesCHUDtaxidermy
Whatcha ya lookin' at my gut fer?
JamieSmyth
Maybe the real discussion should be about making men cover up?
spoodermun
Their*
Zombles
OUTLAW COMPLAINING
NotAnIroningBoard
IShouldBeDoingHomeworkBut
I was just reading where it says Vancooouver
SirBaldrick
Dirty burgers
JamesReynolds
Yes they should have ti right like a man
stormegedendarklordofall
If they are sexual about it, no. If they act like a normal person, yes. If the area has laws against men going without a shirt, no.
leroy666
What does that mean?
sunlight
Men could be sexual about their moobs and we let them walk around with them out
stormegedendarklordofall
What would YOU do if a man was acting sexual about is boobs.
sunlight
Probably laugh. Just like I would if a woman did.
stormegedendarklordofall
And how would you react then if the person being harassed called the police?
sunlight
I wasn't talking about being harassed. I was talking about someone being overly sexual about their bare chest. If some dummy is out there
oprahslovechild
Who desides what is sexual?
stormegedendarklordofall
Whomever writes the version of the law that is pasted. Or whomever wrote the definition used by said law.
thegrimcoder
I agree, and I would argue the picture above has sexual undertones.
BenderBenderBender
Is it the duckface?
stormegedendarklordofall
Definitely
astrogeek
I don't see it. They are standing topless. It's not sexual but maybe in the eye of the beholder…
thegrimcoder
Topless, arching backs, duck lips for one of the ladies, if they were standing around just chating, not sexual, but they are showing off.
liesuponlies
Many girls just pose for their photos with duck lips and frankly duck lips aren't very sexy
bamboolemur
How about if a guy acted all sexual about having his shirt off?
stormegedendarklordofall
Then he should be charged with sexual harassment.
bamboolemur
If I want to walk around at the beach and flex my abs, I should be able to! That doesn't count as harassment.
stormegedendarklordofall
If your doing it in a sexual nature, no you should not. But otherwise, go ahead.
bamboolemur
1) How do you determine what type of ab flexing is sexual? 2) In instances when you have deemed it sexual, how does it hurt/harass others?
eion85
Define "sexual", and men can't be sexual with just their shirts off?
stormegedendarklordofall
Well, men can be. And if they go to far they get arrested. What I mean by is if they are intentionally topless just to draw attention.
PuppyDontCare
So if a woman has a really short skirt to draw sexual attention is that wrong too?
stormegedendarklordofall
No, but if you are rubbing up against a guy and he says stop then that's wrong.
PuppyDontCare
Well yeah, so clothes are not the issue. They'd be in trouble for rubbing not for wearing/not wearing clothes.
PartiallyShavedSasquatch
How so? I mean, you can't just be out tweaking your nipples at people, but other than that guys have carte blanche
eion85
I can't find a single case of a shirtless man being arrested for such an act.
PartiallyShavedSasquatch
My point being unless you're harrasing someone you won't be bothered as a male, so why are females different?
eion85
That seems like a really hard law to enforce fairly given current cultural attitudes.
DSVII
It's legal in NY
puffinsrmybag2000
NY ruined the best part of its self :boobs
Topher4570
And in TX
JStengah
And in ME
afartnSpartan
It's legal in my old college town. Or at least that's what people said. Could be a very well-spread lie.
Jamerperson
Within Seattle city limits too.
godzilladc
And in DC.
nnythemaniac
Legal in Austin, Texas.
kirchosaurusrex
Legal in Columbus
Lythar
Is it really?
Sporkeldee
All of Ohio actually. But it's only the ones you don't want to see that do it.
RanaldMcDanald
In Texas it's legal to be nude in public as long as you don't show any reproductive organs.
DSVII
So you can show butt hole?
Topher4570
You cannot show butt hole. That falls under genitals. Breasts do not.
RanaldMcDanald
Unless you shit out babies then it's legal.
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Topher4570
Vermont is closer. In Vermont you can be nude in public, but it is illegal to take your clothes off in public.
theSpeciaIist
hm kinda makes the whole discussion moot. it is legal and yet still..
DSVII
gotta keep em separated
dursland
The discussion is not moot when women get arrested for doing it where it's legal. They later win court cases and such but still. Google it.
theSpeciaIist
but still what they took it to court didnt they
BennyAndTheJetstream
It is in Canada too...since like 96?
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Not everywhere in Canada. But in Ontario it is.
TedTheMan
I like Canada more now.
lilmisswhogivesahoot
Yeah I remember a few years back three woman were biking topless in Ontario (?) and kept having cops stop them...
LeeDee16
I remember this being a big deal when I was a kid. I have yet to see a woman exercise this right, though.
BennyAndTheJetstream
I do all the time
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
Comes in handy for breastfeeding. There are people who threaten to call the cops on breastfeeding women. If being topless is legal, then /1
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
there's nothing they can do. /2
LeeDee16
I admit that as a woman without kids, I've never thought of this. Thanks for posting.
InkyBlinkyPinkyAndClyde
No problem. I only realized it when I had kids. It's legal here, and made me feel much more secure when I had to breastfeed in public.
Cybergirl57
I've seen a few on public beaches. Not often tho
LeeDee16
It's definitely not socially acceptable yet; which is why I usually go to the nude beach (I live in Toronto).
LeeDee16
I should clarify that I'm a woman, so the above comment doesn't sound creepy!!!
TheMightyMoto
Sure, but with the understanding that some people will look and stare.
thuggswearuggs
So why can't I have my dick out?
inzane
I agree with this, lets make it solid
Fatherdoodle
For some women, all people would look and star.
Gasnia
You mean like when women wear a low cut top but complain that people are staring?
JustSomeRandomMan
Boobs are nothing special. I mean i have a pair of tits that are just annoying. Mainly because i am a man...shit
BonkyMcSignFace
"Some"
Simusar
It's the fact that women's breasts were made into something that should be hidden that makes people stare.
bamblebimble
Yup
Simusar
It's been shown in African tribes that were previously undiscovered, that women's breasts weren't sexual, they were normal.
AllBoobsAreGreat
I second this.
FiercePufferFish
I mean. I'll accept that. They move. Movement draws the eye. (Also, boobs are great)
dancingbyherself
it'd get old after the mystery and fascination is gone
BonkyMcSignFace
Wrong
SlavaIlin
Word. I know that I'm staring
IAgreeWithThis
I agree with this
thuggswearuggs
I know someone that was drunk, needed to pee, buddy pulled over so he could pee on roadside, 12a in a neighborhood, cop sees, convicted SexO
Vazhox
Ever action has a reaction.
nokittythatsabadkitty
twentyfourcharacterslong
Fat people are counted in this equation as well.
MinorClarification
That's a risk we need to take
boobphysicist
except hot girls would'nt do it mostly fat people
twentyfourcharacterslong
Risks for you, exciting times for others.
SaintOfBloodletting
It's legal in NYC
OfficialSponsor
It's odd that it isn't in California
TalkingSnake
People stare anyway.
pirate4lifes
Not... to the same degree
forgetthisnoise
I Have dd-e cups. I'm not worried about being stared at more, I'm worried about people hurting their eyes
Dragon10449
Roughly how big is that in fruit? I don't know boob sizes, all I knows is the fruit chart...not wanting pics, don't want to be creepy...
forgetthisnoise
Uhh about a large cantaloupe and a half each.
PuppyDontCare
At first there would be more staring because it's new. But then it'll go back to the regular staring.
HandoB4Javert
Cats stare more. Often at invisible dimensions, but they do stare more.
GoodForYouu
This guy knows whats up, lets follow this fucker!
ImNotReallyADoctor
Why not? Women stare when a man with a saucy set of abs and pectorals go topless...
motherfluffer
Shit if it's a less than saucy man people stare too.
kissmyassets
Yes. Can't help it.
pugofstardock
They stare at wobbly me also. With a different expression and dialing 911
Riddick11
What type of sauce would you say looks best?
EmmaLovesCuddles
This. +1
NotAnIroningBoard
Fuck, men stare when a man has saucy abs
GomuGomuNope
Let’s just agree that the Greeks knew what they were doing when they picked the ideal form.
mynewcharacter
Yeah, whenever I see an attractive guy I'm like, dammit, why can't I be pretty like that.
rubbarz
"damn bro, how much you bench"
houtaku
I know I do. 'Fuck. Why is his stomach slathered in hollandaise sauce? Was he just eating a shitton of eggs Benedict?'
NoodleDriver
Benidict Eggsonabs
NotACanadian
Everybody's gotta mire
TheEmperorOfMankind40000
Yea, like "Fuck I'm fat."
Aimanfire
r/me_irl
FlyingScotsman27
I accidentally snorted part of the ice cream cone I am eating when I read that.
NotAnIroningBoard
Or the old "I could have that....if I wanted to. But I don't want to"
TypicalGayMan
Or "Is fuck that but I don't know if he's gay too"
blackguard89
So you are saying Jason Momoa is not attractive no matter sexual orientation then? BURN THE HEATHEN!
ihavebeenbanned10timesforspammingthatstupidparrot
It's been legal in Canada for years but I've never seen or heard a girl doing it
Mrtonypjs
Its too cold
XavierIbanez
Unlike stereotypical Canadian weather, our summers here get to a good 30 degrees Celsius (where I live). Some places have the same as NYC
NoodleDriver
If 0 (32 f) is freezing, 100 (212 f) is boiling, and 36 C (98.6 f) is body temp, you can easily estimate weather in both.
PrismZet
It's like 34c right now in Winnipeg, coincidentally we also have the like -45c weather too
yourmomisminenow
It's embarassing, well I dunno, I suppose it is.
ReverendJ
Even though you said Celsius I still interpreted it as Fahrenheit.
BoofBoofPass
Well knock it off
ihavebeenbanned10timesforspammingthatstupidparrot
That's like 80 90s in freedom units
iPretend
Boobs are sexually stimulating by our biology not our culture. Telling us to not sexualize boobs is just stupid.
TedTheMan
Take it of. I will HARDly enjoy it at all.
BionicToad
You have never been to Africa then...
iPretend
I have been to Kenya and guess what? Dem boys love titties too!
rosiethereaver
Source? Because there are a lot of cultures that seem to contradict that.
iPretend
Look up the evolution a human breast tissue. We are the only Ape to maintain large breasts outside of reproduction.
NoodleDriver
We are also the only hominid to stand upright at all times. does this mean anything? Maybe, but Correlation =/= Causation.
rosiethereaver
Yes, but there is more than one theory as to why that's the case. There's no compelling evidence one way or another, and the fact that 1/
rosiethereaver
some cultures do not sexualize the breasts suggests that they did not evolve for that purpose. Here's an alternative theory: 2/
itsokayimadoctor
They may say that they don't sexualize breasts on the sense that they respect a womans right to let them free. But that doesnt mean they 1/
Fishticuffs
There is no consensus about why human breasts are the way they are. Your paper states the same.
rosiethereaver
http://www.academia.edu/1827492/Evolutionary_perspectives_on_permanent_breast_enlargement_in_human_females
iPretend
Thank you for this.
Wobbixx
How the hell are they sexually stimulating by nature? They're used for feeding young, not creating them...
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HopeHubris
Except there are also people that prefer more slender bodies, there is no universal "most attractive" with humans
MoreLikeLawlSchool
There's no universal most attractive, but we find attributes attractive due to biology.
iPretend
The real question is why humans are the only apes with permanently enlarged breasts
Iputthebestinbestiality
Because they're the best!
Salpinus
All that "excess" fat wouldn't be there without a purpose...
astrangehop
Babies don't have snouts to allow for a bigger braincase. It's so they don't smother.
Salpinus
What?
HopeHubris
Lots of things happen without a purpose, as long as they're not actively detrimental
Salpinus
Biologist here. Fuck "lots of things happen without a purpose". Theyre heavy, in the way etc. They're more than just foodbags.
jonestown
How about photos? I don't see any reason to ban being topless but there are a lot of creeps out there.
leroy666
tops on or off, creeps are still creeps.l
infernalspectre
So if they understood that and still wanted to go top less why not?
infernalspectre
If it is a public place people have the right to take photos without permission as long as they aren't used for profit
IllusivePanda
I don't know why you are being down voted, you are correct that there is no expectation of privacy in public places
thisnameistaken
I think it would be a different case if they were the subject of the photo. Not just the background.
bamblebimble
Nope, even a private spy webcam is fine. As long as it doesn't record audio. I've read some fucked up stories about that bit.
BoofBoofPass
Nope. I was a punk kid with a mohawk and people took pictures all the time. Never asked and i hated it, but it was my choice to hawk it up.
tinytyrant
have a look but don't stare.. unless that person is requesting you to stare. psa:staring is just fucking weird you sick staring ass cunts.
Newoneiguess1
How to lose all your points in one comment chain 101:
Fatherdoodle
Why the hell would someone say "ey stare at me fam"
HumorLeech
As long as it's just staring, and not verbal or physical harassment, they're perfectly within their rights, just like you are. 2/?
HumorLeech
You'll just have to accept that some people aren't able to not be creepy. Maybe don't target everyone who IS being respectful in your 3/?
TheMightyMoto
Sometimes you can't help it though. Like when you see a car crash.
XFMR
Haha. Sometimes it is literally like looking at a car crash. It's so terrible you have to look to make sure.
tinytyrant
have a look, sure. driving? don't slow down, maintain speed if safe and gtfo there. don't stare. don't create traffic jams, you cunts.
bwendan
Sounds perfect in theory but it never actually works out that way.
Nccoffee
Hey man I waited 2 hours in traffic to get to the wreck, I'll have a fucking tea party up there if I want
HumorLeech
If you have the right to dress provocatively or go topless as a woman, people have the right to oggle as weirdos. It's how it works. 1/?
HopeHubris
You have the *right*, doesn't make it less of a creep thing to do
YourFriendlyNeighborhoodVillain
I'll stare at whomever I damn well want. And if they give me a dirty look, I shall stare at them more creepily.
TonyTin
Going full kanye
Tassyr
A faint hint of a grin with possibly the tip of your tongue poking from between your teeth REALLY fucks with peoples' heads.
TaintJuicer
HumorLeech
rant about those few who aren't being respectful. Don't generalize men, just like you ask not to be mistreated. It goes both ways. 4/?(4)
tinytyrant
yep, agree. also, if you stare, at any person, that person (and other judgemental cunts like me) have the right to call you a weirdo.
tinytyrant
as a dude, in my opinion you downvotey cunts are fuckin' weirdos, too.
Yatengaki
Idk he would make boobs less sexy and exciting to see them 24/7
EitherImRightOrYoureWrong
Damn this unwanted yet inevitable fact
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
Not to mention, the eventual sagging problems
FiercePufferFish
That one is still up for debate. We're not sure how much is nature and how much is nurture.
OriginalNameDoNotSteal
How about back problems?
Cannonberry
Still not sure whether you stunt the muscles by wearing a bra. If you don't wear a bra, you may not get that pain in the first place
ReverendJ
There's only one way to tell.
OldEricCool
If the logic is that female breasts are not necessarily sexual, then would public toplessness extend to girls of all ages? If the answer 1/2
ZeroHedge
Very nuanced discussion. I believe if you could Socrates up an ideal society, then toplessness wouldn't matter regarding age or sex. But 1/2
ZeroHedge
Now that we live in a society where the stigma does exist for underage women, it would be difficult to implement. 2/2
ChrisMendez123
Interesting point
hblb229
What I think is weird is that people give me a hard time for letting my 5 year old not wear a shirt when she doesn't want to when playing.
hblb229
Like, wtf is wrong with you people!?!
OldEricCool
is no, then clearly they must be considered sexual, even to those in support of public toplessness. I'm curious to see what people think.2/2
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
hahah dude you do realize most young girls do walk around "topless", right?
zoool
Dude that is a REALLY good point. Nice +1
Alicecold
I am curious what age you believe it'll be not ok? There is not really much difference between boobs and boobs and not boobs, really.
GoIIum
I'd be okay with living in a world where being topless is accepted for all ages and sexes but I think it might be difficult to jump there 1/
leroy666
Clothes are, in many circumstances a social construct.There are, after all, only two basic models( more or less). Get over body consciousness. Wear em if you wish; or not!
GoIIum
from where we are now with female beasts being so sexualized in most cultures. An intermediate step could be to restrict by age first.
Dustbina
Male abs and pecs are also quite sexualized, despite how much people ignore the fact. Surely this can be applied to adolescent boys etc too
crookednixon
True, but so are female thighs. And those CAN be shown in public, so I think degrees matter here.
NotACanadian
Kids don't usually get abs and pecs.
Dustbina
I knew several boys with very adult bodies from ages 13-16, who were pretty ripped too.
leekyfaucet
They don't usually get tits either
NotACanadian
I don't know, girls usually get them pretty young.
JonathanHoag
At least where I'm from (SE USA) it is acceptable for prepubescent girls to be topless, because breasts are sexual and little girls are not.
JonathanHoag
Also I realized that when I was a kid it was really common to see men without shirts but it's really uncommon now and I wonder why.
JonathanHoag
So if we're going to say that breasts are not sexual then we're just extending topless freedom to all ages.
TheGirlWhoWantsATiger
ah, and from the 70s up until the 00s, this was completely normal in Norway, by women of all ages. And no, the women were not sexualized.
izoli413365
Norway knows best, or maybe places like Pakistan have it right where ppl throw acid on women who dare refuse men, then get persecuted for it
moosehugger
Breasts will be sexual here, its too ingrained in our society atm. These laws are about equal rights, even rights most people may not use.
TheTitan94
Here's my take on the whole ingrained thing. If my gf touches my nipples I get nothing. If I touch hers she gets off. Waaaaay off.
TheTitan94
So I don't think it's society as much as human anatomy just makes nipples on a woman seem alot more sensitive
rayvn
That's just natural variation tho...my nipples (female) do nothing at all for me, I've been with a couple guys who say theirs feel amazing
MeezerStandardTime
In countries where women bare their breasts, the children go topless too. Here people would take pictures and post on adult websites...
spetcnaz
I have yet to see a country where women openly walk topless on the streets.
MeezerStandardTime
People don't normally walk around topless on the street. Men, women and children would go topless at beaches and pools. Why not?
grobesviech
Beaches in Spain have a lot of topless women and girls
spetcnaz
Those are special areas, and not the norm. People who enjoy seeing bare breasts go to those beaches for that reason.
MeezerStandardTime
Those are "special places" where people don't to wear much clothing, yes.... we aren't talking about supermarkets.