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First, I collected pond water. Well actually I did this last in ingredient collection, but you should do this FIRST
Here is all the ingredients laid out
From left to right: Container from a relish jar from work, pond water from a pond in Asheville, Mondo Grass (this is debated about being aquatic), Temple Compacta from PetSmart, 4 ghost shrimp from PetSmart, a 5lb bag of rocks from PetSmart, and a cute little toy from PetSmart
I littered the bottom with rocks, shoved the grass and temple into it, then added more to keep it secure
Some of the water came from the Mondo Grass bag which was in the PetSmart ghost shrimp tank, I had to empty some original water to fit my hand in without overflowing
Picture from above, you can see the 4 Temple shoots
Here's the shrimpys! You need to float the bag in the container first to equalize temperature so it minimizes shock
There's two females and two males. The two females are pregnant
Early cat tax, my girlfriend's cats. She just got them from home, they're so cute. This is Eskimo. Eskimo is my favorite
Here's a picture of three of the buggers, and the cute little decoration thingy
Sorry for rotation, noticed it too late
Here's a shot of the entire tank, you can see a shrimpy under one of the front grass leaves
I fed them some algae wafers as well to help algae growth, and to keep them from eating the entire tank clean
Now this was an interesting development, because this female was on the edge of giving birth a few hours later!
We think this is a baby shrimp, although it might have just been a water creature that came with the pond water
However later that night, all the shrimpys died and I had to rebuild the tank. Here it is completed and new!
This one only has ONE shrimp. I'm pretty sure they all ate the algae too fast and so I only bought one this time. This is the tank right after I built it and brought it home. It's murkier obviously, and I ditched the Mondo Grass, instead grabbing two unknown plants from the pond, one free floating and one planted
I also remade the base, first digging up mud to actually root the plants in as a substrate, and then adding gravel in order to keep them rooted and filter particulates (I also did research for this build)
And it came with snails!
I'm assuming the mud I dug up brought some snails with it. They're happily roaming around helping shrimpy. This is after I dumped about 20% of the water and refilled it with tap water to clear it up a little bit. If you're using tap water at all you should leave the water out for 24 hours so that the chemicals in it can dissipate, then add it to the system
Here's a snail swimming on the underside of the water
No. I'm fucking serious. I found him sticking TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE SURFACE OF THE WATER. Snails are fucking awesome
And here's the happy shrimpy! You can see him a little left of center. There's a good reason they're called ghost shrimp
If people want, I'll update later with how it's going in the system. This is my second iteration of my first attempt at anything, so I don't expect good results, but let's see what happens. And if you would like to offer advice, certainly message me. Just keep in mind I'm poor and don't have the money for filters or fancy plants, which is why I'm doing a closed system
handyrzfg
& dont worry about the negative comments. I've had my fair share in failed tanks! It takes time, especially if you're new to aquatics!
greeboismyhero
Op is like
SpiritsLink
Everyone. Everyone has that keyboard. Razer Black Widow Stealth edition? I spent weeks researching keyboards and picked that one. (1/*)
SpiritsLink
And somehow every person ever did the same. I don't understand it. Nice keyboard. Every single person EVER agrees with that apparently.
falzetla
Instructions unclear: drowned shrimp in relish
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combatwombat0
Obligatory seraplz
RolfTheSonOfaShepard
Is it a thing now to see gifs actually play in the comments?
HappySpandex
Oh thats some lovely shrimp! oh, they're dead... not to worry, more shrimp!
TheBasementNerd
That one ded too
Imthedudeplayinthedudedisguisedasanotherdude
At first I thought you had piss in a jar, Krieger would approve
MellieMckinna24
Your honey needs to be filtered before you put it in anyone's tea
Vykoz
If you have air holes it is not a closed system. Also if light is allowed in but i think we can let that one slide
TheBasementNerd
It's a sealed. It's a form where gas exchange is allowed and helps regulate pH, making setup easier. This is my first attempt so it's easier
Vykoz
Yeah but a closed system is completely closed, no energy in or out. It just an issue of terminology. Self-contained is more accurate
jentoju
Just stick with snails, they are a little more hearty.unless, you put salt in the water
FunkMasterPanda
Dude that jar is gonna smell like shit
ROARKLEBORK
I thought it was a jar full of piss.
TheCommissar1020
JARATE!
Howdoyougetaonearmedblondeoutofatreeyouwave
Granny's peach tea
lud1
having been to 4chan before, I thought it was something else
SeniorCoolio
This, i thought jizzman was loose again.
ELKronos
1) Piss in jar for month, 2) ..., 3) Profit
ThisIsGod
Dont forget to label it
kid1
I'm curious how this goes
greenandgrey
Are you sure you should just use random pond water? That would kill any pet store fish for sure. Too many random bacteria etc.
TheBasementNerd
That's what the shrimp eat
greenandgrey
I dunno man, yeah they eat certain kinds but there is a lot of different stuff in ponds. Are those shrimp even from your climate?
TheBasementNerd
I've looked it up and many things claim pond water as a good starter for the algae and other organisms for the creatures to eat
DungeonMaster69
Are you sure that's not the boiled cum from that MLP cringe post?
AlmostScientist
any chance you know how they could have died? I'm not sure how an animal can die by eating algae too fast.
TheBasementNerd
They ate it all I mean, and ended up starving. I feel like an animal that eats constantly starves pretty fast
AlmostScientist
ooooooh it starved. Okay, I thought you meant they died of overeating which didn't make sense to me. I thought you had flakes to feed them?
TheBasementNerd
I had algae tabs, which they quickly scoured most of then left alone
AlmostScientist
okay; that's incredible that 4 shrimp can clean out a jar that big fast enough to starve. That's like a gallon jar perhaps?
TheBasementNerd
They're very fast eaters. It was a lot murkier at the start, and many sites recommend a 10 gallon tank as minimum
joe6paques
Not really a closed system if you have holes in the lid.
TheBasementNerd
Actually it is, a sealed system would mean no holes. The holes allow gas exchange so the pH is a little more regulated. Its easier to do
FireLizzard
'Closed system' in a physics sense? For that it would have to exist as its own universe.
FlowbeeRevival
You're thinking of an isolated system
FireLizzard
Ah
TheBasementNerd
In an ecology sense. Earth is a closed system, as all materials recycle through the environment to keep it running
FireLizzard
Then I agree that it is not, as materials are entering and leaving the system from and to the atmosphere. Mostly closed.
TheBasementNerd
It's about as closed as this one, which allows gas exchange to help regulate pH, but I'm planning to not help it any further
Mikeybeeee07
G-g-g-g-g-ghost shrimp!
DumbBr0ad
Hey guys, check out this filthy jar full of shit I've killed.
TheBasementNerd
If you read that it's a remade system......
volatiley
Your honey needs to be filtered before you put it in anyone's tea
Zibounet
Dump shrimps in a jar full of mud, let them die, but do not forget to call this a "close system build" and make a tutorial.
TheBasementNerd
Read it again, read where I never said tutorial, and read where I said "My attempt and let's see what happens
TheBasementNerd
Does no one read? I don't know what I'm doing, I've never tried this shit before, so if you want to comment how it's wrong, say how to fix
Steffn
Maybe you should inform yourself before killing more creatures, just a suggestion.
TheBasementNerd
I tried, I followed the guides I found on how to build a closed system aquarium exactly
ViciousOtter
It's a common misconception to think the less water you have to take care off the less it's difficult, it's the opposite, it's easier to 1
ViciousOtter
run a 500L tank than a 20L nano aquarium. In a closed system every change in the chemicals of the water will destroy your ecosystem. 2
Kehy
Research on aquarium forums first. And second. Also, mondo grass is a non-aquatic (yes, you ditched it).
MonkeyHittingPianoDramatically
They need higher PH level, since their shells need calcium to build, acidic water breaks down their shells. Then - shrimps need better...
MonkeyHittingPianoDramatically
... filtration as a general rule. They cant cant live in bad water. Some fish can. I have tried this as well. Shrimps died fairly quickly...
MonkeyHittingPianoDramatically
... some fish that I tried was Microrasbora rubescens and the alike. They live in pond like, muddy waters. Eat everything. Had one in my...
MonkeyHittingPianoDramatically
...closed eco system for like half a year. The ecosystem was a bit bigger than yours and had more plants. Good luck!
MonkeyHittingPianoDramatically
YougotthetouchYougotthepower
how is the aquarium holding up?
TheBasementNerd
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TheBasementNerd
I moved on from this it was a horrid first attempt it never worked
YougotthetouchYougotthepower
Mate I've been commenting on old posts to see who is still around.
sonjatheotter
Leaving the water out for 24hrs does nothing. You need a water conditioner. I recommend Seachem Prime - 7$ for a mid-size bottle, and will
sonjatheotter
last you years. A few drops in a jar that size would suffice. Do NOT use pond water, too many contaminants. Conditioned tap is fine.
sonjatheotter
Also, especially for fragile little shrimpers, filtration is a necessity. Small systems are actually harder to care for. The
sonjatheotter
"baby shrimp" was NOT at all, and in fact looks like damselfly nymph. They're predatory and can harm your aquatic critters.
sonjatheotter
Temperature, pH, and water chemical levels are harder to keep on track in such a small system. You'd need to get a freshwater testing kit
sonjatheotter
and keep an eye on ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates as well as the other chemical levels in the jar to make sure your shrimp arent
sonjatheotter
suffocating in their own waste. They're 35$ at petsmart, but they last years and years if you keep them stored right. Make sure you get
sonjatheotter
a LIQUID test kit, not strips! Strips begin to lose their accuracy the minute they're exposed to air, ie every time you open the jar.
TheBasementNerd
I created a new post that follows me doing this properly (I think) go check and tell me what you think. I want criticism
Jutana
Snails are asexual. They will wreck your shit.
MonsterMashGrrrrr
I've had to commit snailocides sooooo many times. If you don't understand how exponential growth works, try snails!
CapableTrash
I think the official term is hermaphroditic? If you're referring to the "you fuck me,I fuck you, let's both pop out babies" dealio
IDontAgreeWithAnything
Yup. In one week you'll have hundreds. In another week, everything will be ded. D-E-D... Ded. :(
QueenCousland
Like aquatic tribbles?
TheBasementNerd
Think I should remove one?
KomradKomarov
Or you could dig around in the jar to find and kill their eggs before they hatch.
araspberryberet
They look like common pond snails and yes, they multiply fast and you will take over soon. I'd get rid of all of them.
KomradKomarov
Yes
Ecxusemeisthisnametaken
Snails ate a fish I owned once... Little bastards...
Magpiebones
Depends on the species; some need a partner to reproduce, some don't. Also you need to get the closed ecosystem run smoothly without 1/2
Magpiebones
animals first so that there's nutrients and oxygen to support them, otherwise they just die. No-filther tanks usually need to be huge, too.
KnightWhoSaidNi
Not necessarily. Snails only start breeding if there's an abundance of food, and the shrimp should be able to outcompete the snails
KnightWhoSaidNi
https://www.reddit.com/r/Jarrariums/comments/4j6ccy/amano_jar_1_year_and_counting/
TheBasementNerd
That is a beautiful little jar
thatoneflyfishingbum
@OP , that wasn't a baby shrimp, it was a Damselfly nymph.
joe6paques
Pound for pound, the damselfly nymph is the deadliest hunter in the water: https://youtu.be/RD5wsoycsqI
TheBasementNerd
Wonderful, what do I do when it grows, assuming the shrimp doesn't eat it up first
thatoneflyfishingbum
It's actually an aggressive hunter and will eat other insects. When ready, it'll go up to the surface and molt into a flying adult.
obviouslythisisntmyrealnamewhatwereyouthinking
Will it fly out of the jar? Sounds scary.
ProjectKurtz
damselflies are those little dragonfly looking things. They're actually quite harmless (to you)
TheBasementNerd
.......and not fly anywhere
TheLordOfTheDeep
it flies, also likely ate the ghost shrimps from before
TheBasementNerd
Good assumption
cookieway
You just grabbed random pond water, didn't even FILTER it, have no idea what's in it, and just fucking dumped the shrimp into it???
TheBasementNerd
I tested it first, and it met the requirements
cookieway
What did you test it for?
TheBasementNerd
A water testing kit at PetSmart. I don't remember what it said exactly
cookieway
These NOT good enough for random pond water. Dissolved metals, pathogens, ammonia, BOD, and many more things are important.
cookieway
Also, if you want to try the same thing again at LEAST get water from a flowing water body; they tend to be much less contaminated!
Tippster
Needs more air. And plants.
TheBasementNerd
More air, no. More plants, maybe
Henpemaz
Those two microscopic holes are definitely NOT enough aeration.
Henpemaz
Also more plants is not the answer for such a small aquarium, they will just consume even more oxygen during the night...
TheBasementNerd
They're for consuming ammonia
smogswallowssuns
Razer Blackwidow Ultimate? I have the same keyboard. How do you clean it?
Izalitha
By getting a good keyboard.
smogswallowssuns
It was a gift, more or less.
skydivingbigfoot
Well, first you get some pond water....
smogswallowssuns
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bliindness
Ayeeeeeeee lmao
TheBasementNerd
If you don't have a key puller, use flat objects that you can pull up on the keys with, gently from both sides. Space/shift/enter (1/20
TheBasementNerd
are stabilized by a wire, so you'll have to push it gently to the side after lifting to remove it from the wire, then clean the wire (2/3)
TheBasementNerd
too using a damp cloth then dry everything. The part of the hook where the wire goes will jut out towards the back of the key (3/4)
TheBasementNerd
so have fun sliding it back on. If you have trouble, google it. Just remember to be very gentle. All other keys just go on and off (4/4)
smogswallowssuns
Thanks. This gon' be fun.
TheBasementNerd
UPDATE: New shrimp is dead. I have a friend whose husband has a degree in aquarium science. I will post in a while don't forget to remind me
DrawingBlind
It might be worth trying a more hardy shrimp. Ghost shrimp do better with heaters and filters (mostly heaters) and die from any change at 1/
DrawingBlind
All in water, bacteria and temperature. I buy them on a regular basis just because they die easy or get eaten in 2/3 of my betta tanks. 2/
TheBasementNerd
I will create a HEALTHY tank on my next run. Maybe not perfect, but healthy. Thanks for all advice. Remind me in a few weeks Imgur!
TheyHunger
Hey OP, the aquarium-itch is a bitch, let me tell you :) I would recommend a few things. 1. Don't use pond water. All sorts of nastiness *1
TheyHunger
*2 in there. 2. Get de-chlorinator. US water supplies have chloramine now, which is very stable and takes a LONG time to dissipate. 3. Mondo
TheyHunger
*3 grass does take longer to drown than most plants, but it IS terrestrial, and will die soon, then rot and give you an ammonia spike. Last,
TheyHunger
*4 After setting up the aquarium, give it a week (so painful, I know) before adding shrimp and monitor water changes everyday as it might