My attempt at creating a closed system aquarium using ghost shrimp

May 25, 2016 1:00 AM

TheBasementNerd

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First, I collected pond water. Well actually I did this last in ingredient collection, but you should do this FIRST

Here is all the ingredients laid out

From left to right: Container from a relish jar from work, pond water from a pond in Asheville, Mondo Grass (this is debated about being aquatic), Temple Compacta from PetSmart, 4 ghost shrimp from PetSmart, a 5lb bag of rocks from PetSmart, and a cute little toy from PetSmart

I littered the bottom with rocks, shoved the grass and temple into it, then added more to keep it secure

Some of the water came from the Mondo Grass bag which was in the PetSmart ghost shrimp tank, I had to empty some original water to fit my hand in without overflowing

Picture from above, you can see the 4 Temple shoots

Here's the shrimpys! You need to float the bag in the container first to equalize temperature so it minimizes shock

There's two females and two males. The two females are pregnant

Early cat tax, my girlfriend's cats. She just got them from home, they're so cute. This is Eskimo. Eskimo is my favorite

Here's a picture of three of the buggers, and the cute little decoration thingy

Sorry for rotation, noticed it too late

Here's a shot of the entire tank, you can see a shrimpy under one of the front grass leaves

I fed them some algae wafers as well to help algae growth, and to keep them from eating the entire tank clean

Now this was an interesting development, because this female was on the edge of giving birth a few hours later!

We think this is a baby shrimp, although it might have just been a water creature that came with the pond water

However later that night, all the shrimpys died and I had to rebuild the tank. Here it is completed and new!

This one only has ONE shrimp. I'm pretty sure they all ate the algae too fast and so I only bought one this time. This is the tank right after I built it and brought it home. It's murkier obviously, and I ditched the Mondo Grass, instead grabbing two unknown plants from the pond, one free floating and one planted

I also remade the base, first digging up mud to actually root the plants in as a substrate, and then adding gravel in order to keep them rooted and filter particulates (I also did research for this build)

And it came with snails!

I'm assuming the mud I dug up brought some snails with it. They're happily roaming around helping shrimpy. This is after I dumped about 20% of the water and refilled it with tap water to clear it up a little bit. If you're using tap water at all you should leave the water out for 24 hours so that the chemicals in it can dissipate, then add it to the system

Here's a snail swimming on the underside of the water

No. I'm fucking serious. I found him sticking TO THE UNDERSIDE OF THE SURFACE OF THE WATER. Snails are fucking awesome

And here's the happy shrimpy! You can see him a little left of center. There's a good reason they're called ghost shrimp

If people want, I'll update later with how it's going in the system. This is my second iteration of my first attempt at anything, so I don't expect good results, but let's see what happens. And if you would like to offer advice, certainly message me. Just keep in mind I'm poor and don't have the money for filters or fancy plants, which is why I'm doing a closed system

& dont worry about the negative comments. I've had my fair share in failed tanks! It takes time, especially if you're new to aquatics!

9 years ago | Likes 14 Dislikes 0

Op is like

9 years ago | Likes 33 Dislikes 1

Everyone. Everyone has that keyboard. Razer Black Widow Stealth edition? I spent weeks researching keyboards and picked that one. (1/*)

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

And somehow every person ever did the same. I don't understand it. Nice keyboard. Every single person EVER agrees with that apparently.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Instructions unclear: drowned shrimp in relish

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9 years ago | Likes 58 Dislikes 1

Obligatory seraplz

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Is it a thing now to see gifs actually play in the comments?

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

Oh thats some lovely shrimp! oh, they're dead... not to worry, more shrimp!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

That one ded too

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

At first I thought you had piss in a jar, Krieger would approve

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Your honey needs to be filtered before you put it in anyone's tea

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

If you have air holes it is not a closed system. Also if light is allowed in but i think we can let that one slide

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

It's a sealed. It's a form where gas exchange is allowed and helps regulate pH, making setup easier. This is my first attempt so it's easier

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Yeah but a closed system is completely closed, no energy in or out. It just an issue of terminology. Self-contained is more accurate

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Just stick with snails, they are a little more hearty.unless, you put salt in the water

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Dude that jar is gonna smell like shit

9 years ago | Likes 8 Dislikes 0

I thought it was a jar full of piss.

9 years ago | Likes 163 Dislikes 0

JARATE!

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Granny's peach tea

9 years ago | Likes 12 Dislikes 0

having been to 4chan before, I thought it was something else

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

This, i thought jizzman was loose again.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

1) Piss in jar for month, 2) ..., 3) Profit

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 1

Dont forget to label it

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I'm curious how this goes

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Are you sure you should just use random pond water? That would kill any pet store fish for sure. Too many random bacteria etc.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 1

That's what the shrimp eat

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 5

I dunno man, yeah they eat certain kinds but there is a lot of different stuff in ponds. Are those shrimp even from your climate?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I've looked it up and many things claim pond water as a good starter for the algae and other organisms for the creatures to eat

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 1

Are you sure that's not the boiled cum from that MLP cringe post?

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

any chance you know how they could have died? I'm not sure how an animal can die by eating algae too fast.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

They ate it all I mean, and ended up starving. I feel like an animal that eats constantly starves pretty fast

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

ooooooh it starved. Okay, I thought you meant they died of overeating which didn't make sense to me. I thought you had flakes to feed them?

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I had algae tabs, which they quickly scoured most of then left alone

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

okay; that's incredible that 4 shrimp can clean out a jar that big fast enough to starve. That's like a gallon jar perhaps?

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

They're very fast eaters. It was a lot murkier at the start, and many sites recommend a 10 gallon tank as minimum

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Not really a closed system if you have holes in the lid.

9 years ago | Likes 23 Dislikes 5

Actually it is, a sealed system would mean no holes. The holes allow gas exchange so the pH is a little more regulated. Its easier to do

9 years ago | Likes 17 Dislikes 7

'Closed system' in a physics sense? For that it would have to exist as its own universe.

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 1

You're thinking of an isolated system

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ah

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

In an ecology sense. Earth is a closed system, as all materials recycle through the environment to keep it running

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 2

Then I agree that it is not, as materials are entering and leaving the system from and to the atmosphere. Mostly closed.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

It's about as closed as this one, which allows gas exchange to help regulate pH, but I'm planning to not help it any further

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 2

G-g-g-g-g-ghost shrimp!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Hey guys, check out this filthy jar full of shit I've killed.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

If you read that it's a remade system......

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Your honey needs to be filtered before you put it in anyone's tea

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Dump shrimps in a jar full of mud, let them die, but do not forget to call this a "close system build" and make a tutorial.

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 1

Read it again, read where I never said tutorial, and read where I said "My attempt and let's see what happens

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Does no one read? I don't know what I'm doing, I've never tried this shit before, so if you want to comment how it's wrong, say how to fix

9 years ago | Likes 28 Dislikes 6

Maybe you should inform yourself before killing more creatures, just a suggestion.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 8

I tried, I followed the guides I found on how to build a closed system aquarium exactly

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It's a common misconception to think the less water you have to take care off the less it's difficult, it's the opposite, it's easier to 1

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

run a 500L tank than a 20L nano aquarium. In a closed system every change in the chemicals of the water will destroy your ecosystem. 2

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

Research on aquarium forums first. And second. Also, mondo grass is a non-aquatic (yes, you ditched it).

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

They need higher PH level, since their shells need calcium to build, acidic water breaks down their shells. Then - shrimps need better...

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

... filtration as a general rule. They cant cant live in bad water. Some fish can. I have tried this as well. Shrimps died fairly quickly...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

... some fish that I tried was Microrasbora rubescens and the alike. They live in pond like, muddy waters. Eat everything. Had one in my...

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

...closed eco system for like half a year. The ecosystem was a bit bigger than yours and had more plants. Good luck!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

end result

9 years ago | Likes 4 Dislikes 0

how is the aquarium holding up?

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Ahahahahahahagahahsgagahaga

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

I moved on from this it was a horrid first attempt it never worked

5 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Mate I've been commenting on old posts to see who is still around.

5 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Leaving the water out for 24hrs does nothing. You need a water conditioner. I recommend Seachem Prime - 7$ for a mid-size bottle, and will

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

last you years. A few drops in a jar that size would suffice. Do NOT use pond water, too many contaminants. Conditioned tap is fine.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also, especially for fragile little shrimpers, filtration is a necessity. Small systems are actually harder to care for. The

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

"baby shrimp" was NOT at all, and in fact looks like damselfly nymph. They're predatory and can harm your aquatic critters.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Temperature, pH, and water chemical levels are harder to keep on track in such a small system. You'd need to get a freshwater testing kit

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

and keep an eye on ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates as well as the other chemical levels in the jar to make sure your shrimp arent

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

suffocating in their own waste. They're 35$ at petsmart, but they last years and years if you keep them stored right. Make sure you get

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

a LIQUID test kit, not strips! Strips begin to lose their accuracy the minute they're exposed to air, ie every time you open the jar.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

I created a new post that follows me doing this properly (I think) go check and tell me what you think. I want criticism

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Snails are asexual. They will wreck your shit.

9 years ago | Likes 107 Dislikes 1

I've had to commit snailocides sooooo many times. If you don't understand how exponential growth works, try snails!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

I think the official term is hermaphroditic? If you're referring to the "you fuck me,I fuck you, let's both pop out babies" dealio

9 years ago | Likes 15 Dislikes 0

Yup. In one week you'll have hundreds. In another week, everything will be ded. D-E-D... Ded. :(

9 years ago | Likes 34 Dislikes 2

Like aquatic tribbles?

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

Think I should remove one?

9 years ago | Likes 41 Dislikes 1

Or you could dig around in the jar to find and kill their eggs before they hatch.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

They look like common pond snails and yes, they multiply fast and you will take over soon. I'd get rid of all of them.

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 0

Yes

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Snails ate a fish I owned once... Little bastards...

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 1

Depends on the species; some need a partner to reproduce, some don't. Also you need to get the closed ecosystem run smoothly without 1/2

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

animals first so that there's nutrients and oxygen to support them, otherwise they just die. No-filther tanks usually need to be huge, too.

9 years ago | Likes 11 Dislikes 0

Not necessarily. Snails only start breeding if there's an abundance of food, and the shrimp should be able to outcompete the snails

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

@OP , that wasn't a baby shrimp, it was a Damselfly nymph.

9 years ago | Likes 19 Dislikes 0

Pound for pound, the damselfly nymph is the deadliest hunter in the water: https://youtu.be/RD5wsoycsqI

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Wonderful, what do I do when it grows, assuming the shrimp doesn't eat it up first

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

It's actually an aggressive hunter and will eat other insects. When ready, it'll go up to the surface and molt into a flying adult.

9 years ago | Likes 7 Dislikes 0

Will it fly out of the jar? Sounds scary.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

damselflies are those little dragonfly looking things. They're actually quite harmless (to you)

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

.......and not fly anywhere

9 years ago | Likes 6 Dislikes 0

it flies, also likely ate the ghost shrimps from before

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Good assumption

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

You just grabbed random pond water, didn't even FILTER it, have no idea what's in it, and just fucking dumped the shrimp into it???

9 years ago | Likes 9 Dislikes 3

I tested it first, and it met the requirements

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 1

What did you test it for?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

A water testing kit at PetSmart. I don't remember what it said exactly

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

These NOT good enough for random pond water. Dissolved metals, pathogens, ammonia, BOD, and many more things are important.

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Also, if you want to try the same thing again at LEAST get water from a flowing water body; they tend to be much less contaminated!

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 0

Needs more air. And plants.

9 years ago | Likes 5 Dislikes 0

More air, no. More plants, maybe

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 3

Those two microscopic holes are definitely NOT enough aeration.

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

Also more plants is not the answer for such a small aquarium, they will just consume even more oxygen during the night...

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They're for consuming ammonia

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Razer Blackwidow Ultimate? I have the same keyboard. How do you clean it?

9 years ago | Likes 2 Dislikes 1

By getting a good keyboard.

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It was a gift, more or less.

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Well, first you get some pond water....

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Ayeeeeeeee lmao

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If you don't have a key puller, use flat objects that you can pull up on the keys with, gently from both sides. Space/shift/enter (1/20

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are stabilized by a wire, so you'll have to push it gently to the side after lifting to remove it from the wire, then clean the wire (2/3)

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too using a damp cloth then dry everything. The part of the hook where the wire goes will jut out towards the back of the key (3/4)

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Thanks. This gon' be fun.

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UPDATE: New shrimp is dead. I have a friend whose husband has a degree in aquarium science. I will post in a while don't forget to remind me

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

It might be worth trying a more hardy shrimp. Ghost shrimp do better with heaters and filters (mostly heaters) and die from any change at 1/

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

All in water, bacteria and temperature. I buy them on a regular basis just because they die easy or get eaten in 2/3 of my betta tanks. 2/

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I will create a HEALTHY tank on my next run. Maybe not perfect, but healthy. Thanks for all advice. Remind me in a few weeks Imgur!

9 years ago | Likes 3 Dislikes 0

Hey OP, the aquarium-itch is a bitch, let me tell you :) I would recommend a few things. 1. Don't use pond water. All sorts of nastiness *1

9 years ago | Likes 1 Dislikes 0

*2 in there. 2. Get de-chlorinator. US water supplies have chloramine now, which is very stable and takes a LONG time to dissipate. 3. Mondo

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*3 grass does take longer to drown than most plants, but it IS terrestrial, and will die soon, then rot and give you an ammonia spike. Last,

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*4 After setting up the aquarium, give it a week (so painful, I know) before adding shrimp and monitor water changes everyday as it might

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